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10-15-10, 9:49 AM

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Episode 12. Well, I've been waiting for this.

It's giving me a headache to see how Natsuno's father could change his mind like some sort of loose clockwork. Pfft, he's a man or what?
 
10-15-10, 9:53 AM

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Yay,I missed Shiki :)

Yes but does Natsuno know that he knows. If Natsuno doesn't, then he probably thinks they are like the other adults.
 
10-15-10, 10:11 AM

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<Insert obligatory praise of the great music>
New OP was ok, I prefer the previous one though. ED is better than previous.

Natsuno is stupid to just throw the cross and stake away like that. I thought he was better than that. And I know now where he got that stupidity. His father is even stupider with his actions here. Just...uhhh. But it was nice to see some scenes inside the Kanemasa house and that Kirishiki going out in the light. I chuckled at Mr. Tanaka realizing too late that Megumi was dead(she's really astounding in that outfit). So Toru is going to deal the final blow now. Wonder if Natsuno will rise if he died. And I wonder who is attacking the mother.
A great episode despite the stupidity of the characters.
 
10-15-10, 10:11 AM

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New OP is good separately but very unfitting for this series. New ED is great. Hope that they put about 20 chapters in last series but hope for it is too small (((
 
10-15-10, 11:23 AM

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So it's finally back. Natsuno is getting closer and closer to death. Really i find his weakness against his specific friend very pathetic. For the love of God his a guy you met a while ago not the love of your life(except if his gay), why is he so weak in taking the necessary measures to save his life?

His mother is gonna accompany him to the crave it seems. And his father is overdoing it. Sure i realize he doesn't believe but at least he could stay by his side at night just to make sure.

BTW what happened to the doctor and those previews we saw where he was experimenting with his wife?
 
10-15-10, 12:16 PM

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Love love love Shiki. Hate the new opening, the old one had much better music and creepier animation. The new ending is awesome <3
The way Natsuno's dad behaved made me feel so frustrated.
Can't wait for the next episode.
 
10-15-10, 1:26 PM

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Three weeks and no real story progression...
New OP fails compared to old one, new ED is better than old but still meh :<
 
10-15-10, 1:36 PM

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SHIIKKIIII I MISSED YOUUUUU <3 And it's back with a sexy new opening and ending sequence.

Oh Tohru. You tried to resist Natsuno but you gave into your desire. Pfffttt~ XD

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10-15-10, 1:51 PM

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honestly after 3 weeks i get another dose of rage? WTF. honestly. and natsuno's dad is a fucken child, learn to grow up. at first, you think he was a clever man but it turns out he's easily pushed around. rageee
 
10-15-10, 2:33 PM

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Why was Natsuno able to still interact after being bitten? I understand he got a day of recovery but he wasn't controlled at any point. Still an awesome episode. Dad, I am disappoint.


As far as I've been able to tell, they kill their victims over a period of time. I think Natsuno was just bitten once on that night, but Tohru chickened out of doing it again until Natsuno finally provoked him, which is why you see his health rapidly deteriorate suddenly.
 
10-15-10, 3:38 PM

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The new OP is ok but the old one was better. The new ED is ok.
I'm a little disappointed that Natsuno was this weak , even if he loves Tohru. Megumi was so lovely in that dress.
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10-15-10, 3:45 PM

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I really like the new OP. I also though the episode was great. I am glad Shiki's hiatus is over.

The dad is so stupid! I hope HE gets bitten or something, it is like he is trying to kill Natsuno.
 
10-15-10, 4:37 PM

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Wooop Shiki is back and it was awesome as usual.

By the way did anyone else have any problems with the [umee 720p sub]?
 
10-15-10, 5:38 PM

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Nachtwandler_21 said:
New OP is good separately but very unfitting for this series.

THIS!!!
I would very much like it as an Umineko Chiru Opening, or something for any Dark Fantasy series with action. But with a series founded mostly in brooding atmosphere it seems kinda misplaced...like they suddenly all gain magical powers and fight against evil overlord Sunako in a final battle of love and courage...
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10-15-10, 5:51 PM

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haha i dunno why but seems like everytime (srsly!) my tastes are different from the rest of the people here in MAL.. oh well.... cause from what i read from some comments people don't like the new songs.... *sighs* You know what? In my case I don't love them, I ADORE them and I don't care If every single one here will disagree. AMAAAAAAAAAAAAZING, fuckin epic music, both for opening and so for ED song too. They are so emotional and intense and they fit the series greatly. I loved the previous songs too, but I love the new ones as well.
Also amazing episode!!! I didn't believe it ended with such a cliffhanger. I wanted to watch more!!! T.T At least I'm glad the hiatus is over.
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10-15-10, 5:53 PM

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seizonsha said:
Nachtwandler_21 said:
New OP is good separately but very unfitting for this series.

THIS!!!
I would very much like it as an Umineko Chiru Opening, or something for any Dark Fantasy series with action. But with a series founded mostly in brooding atmosphere it seems kinda misplaced...like they suddenly all gain magical powers and fight against evil overlord Sunako in a final battle of love and courage...


looooooooooooooool! i cant stop laughing, seriously, your comment rocks;D
I must agree that the OP is very misplaced, while the ED is perfect to me, all naked in blood fits the atmosphere of the anime, while the OP...hahahaha! exactly. It looks like a magical girl OP.
Actually i was expecting a more dark OP since it is made by Kanon Wakeshima and she did a great job in Vampire Knight Endings.

@PerZona: many people have problems with 720p sub, that´s why i always watch the 480p;D

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Why was Natsuno able to still interact after being bitten? I understand he got a day of recovery but he wasn't controlled at any point. Still an awesome episode. Dad, I am disappoint.


As far as I've been able to tell, they kill their victims over a period of time. I think Natsuno was just bitten once on that night, but Tohru chickened out of doing it again until Natsuno finally provoked him, which is why you see his health rapidly deteriorate suddenly.


Tohru didn't compel Natsuno. If he has hypnotized him he wouldn't remember anything, just like the other Shiki made to their victims, so they couldn't remember the attack.
The answer to your question "Why was Natsuno able to still interact after being bitten?"
is on the manga.

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10-15-10, 6:00 PM

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seizonsha said:
Nachtwandler_21 said:
New OP is good separately but very unfitting for this series.

THIS!!!
I would very much like it as an Umineko Chiru Opening, or something for any Dark Fantasy series with action. But with a series founded mostly in brooding atmosphere it seems kinda misplaced...like they suddenly all gain magical powers and fight against evil overlord Sunako in a final battle of love and courage...


Although I admit I loled too with your comment, I don't get the same feeling from the OP. In contrary I find that this high pitched voice of the singer together with the quick pace and all created a quite dynamic and mysterious atmosphere. It is more eerie and emotional than a theme for an action anime. So, always in my opinions, it fits greatly. I think I like the first opening a tad more, but still I really liked this new one as well. The animation in it too, especially the starting scene with blood running through Sunako's hand.

PS: Sth I forgot to mention before. Natsuno's dad pissed me off SOOO much. Dude that's not how to treat your child when he's ill. You should stay by his side like ALL the time, especially when you see he's about to DIE! meh... he even through away the protection charms... *baka da nee!*
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10-15-10, 6:31 PM

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Finally, Shiki has started again.
I like the new opening, especially the animation, and the ending is even better. Great episode, very exciting as always.
 
10-15-10, 7:50 PM

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PerZona said:
Wooop Shiki is back and it was awesome as usual.

By the way did anyone else have any problems with the [umee 720p sub]?


It worked fine for me.
 
10-15-10, 10:04 PM

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I preferred the older OP.
But meh, I hope it catches up to the manga soon.
 
10-16-10, 12:57 AM

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From turning into skeletons to spirits leaving the body...I still find the OPs wierd. But the new OP's song is nice though.

Anyway the characters don't look that flat and dead unlike last time, they seem to look much better now. Also, the shikis are all LIGHTSTICKS!! They totally glow in the dark XD
 
10-16-10, 4:46 AM

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Great episode!

I don't liked Natsuno's father tough... vv'
 
10-16-10, 6:28 AM

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Great episode!

I don't liked Natsuno's father tough... vv'

Yeah Natsuno's father makes me mad to. I can't forgive him what he did.It's like he killed Natsuno.Akira,Kaori T~T Why did you belive his father?!
I hope they will come and save Natsuno.And that Natsuno's father finds out about the Shikis :)


 
10-16-10, 7:07 AM

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I don't care for the ED, but the new OP can't compare with the previous.

Natsuno... It's depressing to see you like that.
And that's what I call real vampires. You did a good job resisting, Thoru-chan, but it looks like noone can go against his nature.

Like someone else said, the episode was beautifull and really sad, which makes it amazing.
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10-16-10, 7:19 AM

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seizonsha said:
Nachtwandler_21 said:
New OP is good separately but very unfitting for this series.

THIS!!!
I would very much like it as an Umineko Chiru Opening, or something for any Dark Fantasy series with action. But with a series founded mostly in brooding atmosphere it seems kinda misplaced...like they suddenly all gain magical powers and fight against evil overlord Sunako in a final battle of love and courage...

Okay, this post made me lol hard. Especially the concept of evil overlord Sunako.
 
10-16-10, 9:00 AM

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The new ED's cool, but I'm really not happy with the OP. I think the last one was one of those OPs that actually add to the series' atmosphere instead of just matching it.
 
10-16-10, 11:16 AM

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Natsuno's father....WTF?! He pissed me off
I wish I could shoot him down.



 
10-16-10, 11:45 AM

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Love the new OP ♥
song is okay but I love how the animation :D
Natsuno`s father is just.... =_=
I was really happy when Natsuno wanted to run away with Tohru :3
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10-16-10, 11:57 AM

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Gonna miss the previous OP :(

Good episode, was waiting for a chapter with the doctor and his wife tho.
 
10-16-10, 2:00 PM

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Well, finally episode 12.

The new opening and ending are better than the others. Now natsuno will die, soon.
 
10-16-10, 4:56 PM

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Ahhhhhhhh, i still love natsunos father.
He did have that creppy little kid bother him before, so he was probably cautious of the other little kids n.n

and honestly, if this were happening to us, would you really go OMG THERE VAMPIRES?! when you'v seen one out in the sunlight and watched them do a test?

LOL at that guy and megumi though. How stupid can you be?
 
10-16-10, 7:29 PM

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New OP was way better than the previous one. I hope this show keeps up the goodness and doesn't just fall to crap by the end. D:

Are you deaf? Old OP kicked the new ones ass. I'm sad to see it go. :(


So much hate for Natsuno's dad, lol. Though I guess I was raging at him when I read this part.
 
10-16-10, 8:23 PM

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Tohru-chan ;__;
 
10-16-10, 9:20 PM

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yeah his father is an idiot ... the guy needs a serious guilt trip after his son and wife die. just leave him alive so he knows it's his fault.

was hoping to see more of dr ozaki but I guess next time?
 
10-16-10, 10:55 PM

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natsuno's father = RAAAAAAAAAAGE.
 
10-17-10, 8:55 AM

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I hate the new OP. "Kuchizuke" was much more characteristic, it gave the perfect aura to the anime. This one is to pop-ish.

As for the episode, meh.
 
10-17-10, 11:32 AM

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Natsuno sure looks like a goner. I'd be shocked if someone manages to save him at this point. Assuming he does become one of them, he'd be the likeliest candidate to rebel. Anyway, I really can't wait to see the tide start to turn (whenever that'll be). The thought of having them feast on a town until everyone's dead and then moving one to the next one and so on is quite depressing.
 
10-17-10, 12:38 PM

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"oh yeah, she died" is almost just as epic as masao's "oh yeah, it's the librarian" LMFAO.

also what the new ed is mind-boggling -- NUDITY!! o3o o3o o3o
 
10-17-10, 2:36 PM

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I was expecting Natsuno to put up a fight even though it is Tohru draining him.
Maybe there is still time, but it doesn't look like it.

Something needs to happen for the other side though, or this will just become a slaughter, and become far less interesting.
 
10-17-10, 3:03 PM

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Awsome episode but another two weeks waiting what I don't want~

EDIT: The new OP/ED combo is great and I loved the animation~
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10-17-10, 5:12 PM

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The first opening and ending was much better T_T I don't know how many people likes Megumi, i can not stand her -.-'
 
10-17-10, 7:52 PM

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And it is back!!! only to have another break next week.
 
10-17-10, 8:01 PM

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Serves you right, Natsuno. Why throw away the tools that protect you from vampires in front of a vampire who wants your blood? You fucking idiot.

Megumi is super annoying. And so is Natsuno's dad. Man, why are all of the characters in this show unlikeable? Nobody thinks logically, either, aside from the doctor occasionally.

+New OP sucks. I like the new ED although why is the ear-hair boy missing and instead we have greenhaired!nurse? Implies she'll turn and maybe he won't.
 
10-18-10, 6:35 AM

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Natsuno sure looks like a goner. I'd be shocked if someone manages to save him at this point. Assuming he does become one of them, he'd be the likeliest candidate to rebel. Anyway, I really can't wait to see the tide start to turn (whenever that'll be). The thought of having them feast on a town until everyone's dead and then moving one to the next one and so on is quite depressing.


I totally agree. If Natsuno becomes one of them im almost 100% sure we will not join them and will keep trying to find a way to save the other humans. Otherwise, the story would end. As a shiki or human, he is still the protagonist, so i hope he acts like one;D

The doctor cannot take all the credits. And alone he will not win against all the shiki.
As for the the priest...he is a epic fail,until now he is a main chara but doesn't do anything except having EMO moments on the church.
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10-18-10, 2:18 PM

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I like old OP better it was more...unique?

Can't wait to see next episode!
 
10-18-10, 3:18 PM

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Atarashi "OP" ii ne !
 
10-18-10, 5:10 PM

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Previous opening was better and the new ending is just awesome. Buck-Tick is pure fabulous.
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Tohru surely is hot.
Seems like Ntasuno's mom has been bitten.
Missed the show so much and what the hell am I hearing about the Shiki abstinence next week?!
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10-18-10, 7:23 PM

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Definitely a great episode. Natsuno's father is a douche. More here http://wp.me/p12uiW-1Hd
 
10-19-10, 1:37 AM

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The new opening is not good at all compared to what Buck-Tick had done before.
 
10-19-10, 9:52 AM

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