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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
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4 out of 5: Liked it
 
53 21.63%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
53 21.63%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
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01-04-11, 2:55 AM

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Ignoring the ELS though, this is quite a departure from ANY OTHER Gundam because there is now talk of exploring other galaxies ala Macross, not just making space colonies within the Solar System.
 
01-04-11, 8:39 AM

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Disappointing movie. Was hoping it would be better than it what it turned out to be. At most it's a 7.5 out 10 but it's more of a 6.5. Had more enjoyment watching Trigun: Badlands Rumble movie than this. Now that movie left me with a smile.
 
01-04-11, 10:13 AM

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Instead of writing my own thoughts on Trailblazer, I'll simply link to Divine's review over at Random Curiosity. It's a good read and I completely agree with his/her opinion of the movie.
 
01-04-11, 1:13 PM

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- loved the spoof-movie in the beginning. Really clever way of parodying mecha genre.
- Love how tey incorporated advanced humans stuff with innovators.
- The start of alien presence, earth technology going off, was breathtaking yet calm. NO over the top omgs and it escalated nicely.
- Love how every even minor character got a role and importance.
- Creepy alien ribbons and continuous a.c.clarke and i.asimov references.
- Setsuna's bowman-ish slow separation from humanity is surprisingly handled very well.
- Another reference to A.C.Clarke's Space Odyssey trilogy with jupiter event.
- Tieria's sacrifice = epicnss.
- GRAHAM!
- Aliens remind me a lot of gaunas from Knights of Sidonia manga by Nihei.
- When I think about it, 00 always had great OST, but this movie surpassed it in epicness.
- Setsuna's mind drift reminded me a ot of Bowman's little scenes in the chamber.
- Patrick the immortal Cola. XD
- Setsuna's Quantum travel to els homeworld remined me both of universal migrator concept from ayreon albums and Bowman's travels. from space odyssey.
- ELS evolution flashback reminds me a lot of A.C.Clarke's works.
- Wormhole travel :3
- Setsuna's embodiment of peace, flower, being transm,itted through els wa sa view to see.
- Epilogue start with aeolia flashback, reminded me a lot of Foundation and how it was set up by a foresight of one man. Especially the idea of mistreated knowledge causing self-destruction.
- Setsuna being similar to ELS in the end. Did tha tcome as sort of their fusion or is becoming itno that form is the next step of innovator evolution? That is left up to the viewers.



DuroDeMatar said:

Yeah, I would like something else or with more explanation too... I lost track of some things in the movie, but still pretty good :P

Actually the ending is self-explanatory for those who have already read/know about the novels


Setsuna is "David Bowman", an anime equivalent of "space child" created by the long-term plan of Aeolia's "Foundations". While overall plan had a lot to do with kickstarting negotiations and talks between alien lifeform and humanity, Setsuna also is the proof.


Its not important on what he became in the end. Maybe a god, maybe something above humanity, maybe universe. The point is he became. Just like majority of humanity advanced the leaps of evolution stagnated by conflicts and constant route of self-destruction of civilizations.Many people had similar problems with the last episode of casshern sins - a lot of things were left up to the interpretation of the viewer. IMO, thats for better than to try to needlessly explain every detail, destroying the magic that detail has. Some things are always better left unsaid, fo leave for viewers to figure out.


The ending weas perfect IMO. One can interpret that in many ways. Was it the final moments of marina's life? Is setsuna alive in a sense humanity understands life?

After all even in the end of second season, setsuna already had the controlof space and time itself and it only progressed(especially space aspect). What amazes me is that all of what he did is within the laws of quantum physics our universe functions by


Ac.C.Clarke's Childhood's End explored very interesting ideas of humanity's future and troubles of the contact between you and alien civilization(S). It managed to explore human preconceptions, fear of death and the eventual uselessness of physical self in very interesting and sorrowful ways.

I.Asimov's Foundation series explored and played around a lot of ideas that we have seen in gundam 00. Long-term goals, controlling society to achieve certain goals, those who do that being manipulated by a man long since dead, the value of knowledge in face of peril of war, changes, etc.

A.C. Clarke's Space Odyssey trilogy is also important. The contact with alien life, focus on human advancement and evolution, its all there.

The end scene with quan(t) in flowers embodied the idea - a machine, overpowered machine used for war, enforcing peace, even for preserving peace, making people understand each other, is no longer needed and has fulfilled its purposes . Humanity and the world is way beyond the need of that.


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Ignoring the ELS though, this is quite a departure from ANY OTHER Gundam because there is now talk of exploring other galaxies ala Macross, not just making space colonies within the Solar System.



deep space exploration has beeen the pinnacle of science ficiton for years even before the scifi genre existed. Considering its normal step of human existance, when reflecting on what we did in our planet, its not so surprising. And thus macross reference is baseless.
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01-04-11, 2:34 PM

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I feel trolled because I was expecting a ending where Setsuna finishes fighting and settles down with Marina. Ends with SetsunaxGundamxblind+old Marina
 
01-04-11, 2:45 PM

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Shippers fucking everywhere. Setsuna should be with Gundam, while being Gundam - no one else. Marina is more of a mother figure and Feldt's love seems to be completely one sided.
 
01-04-11, 3:37 PM

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Did anyone else see Tiera float past when the guy was talking to the camera at the end? I laughed so hard at that
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01-04-11, 3:39 PM

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Also [gSS] sub's TRANS-GRAHAM was brilliant. Seriously, this movie is giving me too many lols from the trolling and flaming going on
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01-04-11, 3:51 PM

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Fai said:
DuroDeMatar said:

Yeah, I would like something else or with more explanation too... I lost track of some things in the movie, but still pretty good :P

Actually the ending is self-explanatory for those who have already read/know about the novels


I didn´t know that there were novels, are them in english?

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01-04-11, 3:54 PM

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Feldt's love seems to be completely one sided.

Whitch makes me kinda sad...
The ONE thing I wish this movie had was WTF happened to every one else?
OVA maybe?
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01-04-11, 6:33 PM

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What the fuck did I just watch?

No, really. What the fuck was that shit?

It was pretty as expected but that plot line was like something a hippie shat out alongside a violent stream of diarrhea.

I'm mad.
 
01-04-11, 6:35 PM

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What the hell man. I loved Gundam 00 but this alien angle took a WEIRD turn for the bad.

PLUS:

I get the whole tieing in the 'understanding' theme, and the fact that they had to explain WHY inervators(sp) were even in the second season in the first place apart from extending the plot aka money making.

Love seeing all the characters after so long, especially soldier dofus who can never die.
The part where the cars are attacking Halleluljah was surprisingly entertaining as well.

And..for some weird reason I like how they tied in Setsuna's flower of peace thing..except it was all so weird at that point i felt confused as the credits rolled. I like Setsuna because he's a martyr/conflicted type character that you want to see be finally healed.

MINUS:

Marina. She is the most useless character, although necessary, because SOMEONE has to rant on about the peaceful solution. The hug at the end made me rage because the pairings seemed so promising with Feldt and Setsuna.

(REALLY? a weird epilogue with a metal setsuna and an old bag. I GET IT that they wanted to show man kind 'evolved' with all the innovators, but 50 FRIGGEN YEARS LATER?? please show us that AFTER we see the cast get their endings. No gundam meister, no setsuna and feldt,

((or even Milena and Tiera (lol that was funny with her dads reaction, not gonna lie.))

ALL IN ALL:

It was a disappointment for me, as I'm a huge fan of the first two seasons. I can even vouch that the alien thing isn't what killed it for me, it was how they delivered it. Maybe a better epilogue was all that it had to take. At the end I wasn't feeling the friend bond between the gundam meisters, much less, from Tiera between Setsuna, that was prevalent through the original episodes.

6.8/10 is generous. I want to rate it higher, believe me, but the guilt would linger.
 
01-04-11, 8:49 PM

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Fai said:


Ac.C.Clarke's Childhood's End explored very interesting ideas of humanity's future and troubles of the contact between you and alien civilization(S). It managed to explore human preconceptions, fear of death and the eventual uselessness of physical self in very interesting and sorrowful ways.

I.Asimov's Foundation series explored and played around a lot of ideas that we have seen in gundam 00. Long-term goals, controlling society to achieve certain goals, those who do that being manipulated by a man long since dead, the value of knowledge in face of peril of war, changes, etc.

A.C. Clarke's Space Odyssey trilogy is also important. The contact with alien life, focus on human advancement and evolution, its all there.

The end scene with quan(t) in flowers embodied the idea - a machine, overpowered machine used for war, enforcing peace, even for preserving peace, making people understand each other, is no longer needed and has fulfilled its purposes . Humanity and the world is way beyond the need of that.


entropy13 said:
Ignoring the ELS though, this is quite a departure from ANY OTHER Gundam because there is now talk of exploring other galaxies ala Macross, not just making space colonies within the Solar System.



deep space exploration has beeen the pinnacle of science ficiton for years even before the scifi genre existed. Considering its normal step of human existance, when reflecting on what we did in our planet, its not so surprising. And thus macross reference is baseless.


I agree with this. As a rather hardcore SF reader, I would agree that this series did have some good ideas behind it. Obviously, the "realistic" aspect of the series is not as elaborate as that of UC in terms of character development and plot.

However, let me tell you this: SF series' biggest asset is NOT necessarily the plot or the characters. If it has great plot, great. If it has great character development, great. They are bonuses. HOWEVER, it's the IDEOLOGICAL aspect of SF that I think is the most distinguishable component that separates it from other genre of literature. Some of you may think this idea of "understanding" is shallow or childish, but keep in mind that what is defined as "childish" and "shallow" can be completely subjective.

For instance, from my definition of SF, Star Wars would be borderline non-SF but more fantasy. It may have great plot or characters, but it lacks in terms of ideological aspect.

Is this movie good then? As a SF series, it has some merits. However, I would say Universal Century is MUCH more elaborate than this. Other than that, I don't think it deserves all this hating.... No matter how the movie sucked in the plot and character department, I think it provided a nice ending (slightly half-assed) to the 00 franchise. I didn't say Gundam 00 franchise but 00 franchise simply because you can't really compare this with other Gundam series.

Could it have been better? YES. How? By more elaborate plot and suspense and more complicated SF element and less laser-spamming. But then again, people found this to be boring already. Then the alternative would be even more boring....

Overall, 9/10. I'm still impressed by the laser-spamming.
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01-04-11, 9:59 PM

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They should've cut out some of the crap in the beginning/middle, and added 20 minutes to the epilogue. Feels like they made it too long, and just cut the ending so they could have a theatrical release. But overall, it was a good movie, the ending tied together well imo (except for the sunken ship of setsuna x feldt). I'm hoping for a longer version.
 
01-04-11, 10:39 PM

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Haha, those aliens came out of nowhere. I definitely wasn't expecting the movie to be about aliens.
Really felt like Macross. They should have had Setsuna sing them a song lol


But overall I enjoyed it. Though, it could have used more lasers.
 
01-05-11, 12:24 AM

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enjoy the movie and like it very much ^^

peace no war lol
 
01-05-11, 1:12 AM

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DuroDeMatar said:
Fai said:
DuroDeMatar said:

Yeah, I would like something else or with more explanation too... I lost track of some things in the movie, but still pretty good :P

Actually the ending is self-explanatory for those who have already read/know about the novels


I didn´t know that there were novels, are them in english?



not gundam novels.


Scifi novels which inspired gundam00,

First season is heavily inspired by Isaac Asimov's Foundation series, while second season and movie draws heavilly upon both A.C.Clarke's Space Odyssey trilogy and A.C.Clarke's "Childhood's End" novel. Aesthetics, designs, etc, all of that I could see appearing in their works.


Foundation series is alla bout one man's vision for the future, he predicted. It focuses on his "creation" closed secret organisation known as "Foundation", its tries to manipulate and stabilize the formation of new government and the mysterious "Seldon Plan".

A.C.Clarke's Space Odyssey series mainly deals with David Bowman and what happens to him, but focuses on evolution and possibilities of humanity, with Bowman literally embodying the pinnacle of human life.. Jupiter is a huge focus there. Not to mentionthe ideas and plotlines, Aliens coming out from Jupiter's "eye" is the most direct reference to these novels.

The third is A.C.Clarke's Childhood's End novel(referenced in very first movie trailer with "Humanity's childhood has come to an end" line) , which deals with alien appearance, struggle with communication and trust(aliens even refuse to reveal their looks till some hundred year into future when humanity has shed away their religious preferences enough to not label them demons). Second, it deals with the appearance of "gifted" children in earth's population(something of common theme around the works about human potential), while whole novel somehow sets up tension between aliens nad humanity, in the end their goal is revealed to be completely benevolent, although that leads to a very sorrowful, unhappy and sad ending. So in a sense while this movie ha d alot to do with this exact novel, the ending more closely resembles the ideas of Space Odyssey than that of Childhood's End.
 
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This is the best Movie since Titanic.



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Well I liked it ....until some point....mainly
that was one...but...then..came the BIG ending after credits.......I will continue to believe that the movie ended before credits and imagine I DIDN'T see Setsuna all shiny
and i didn't see marina an old hag and.......my eyes hurt...*tries to wipe the memory of those last 2 minutes*

I have 1 QUESTION: how is possible to turn smth that is pretty ok to smth disastruous in only 2 minutes!?.....Sunrise holds the secret to that question i guess.
 
01-05-11, 8:07 AM

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yea movie is FAILURE give more how i was look at mention on this area http://herotvforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=110&start=720 really they said i was right the whole time.

so movie is a BIG TIME let-down should been better IF they (bleeping) make set-light be more HUMAN & go with set-feldt path.
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01-05-11, 8:34 AM

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okay so so far the only ones saying something bad about this movie are setsuna-x-felt(ever heard of one-sided love, folks?) shippers(who, unsurprisingly also have stuff like "gundam" seed rated as 10/10).

Felt's first and true love obviously was s1-lockon. What was shown as her feelings for setsuna was clearly shown as affection and attraction. There was no "epic love", she was just attracted to the guy. Something people usually get over.

Marina and setsuna have been set up as this platonic love relationship since season1. Two people , two different people reaching for same thing in different ways.

Both Marina and Setsuna have been strong characters with their weaknesses and its nice to see them each learn something in their life.

It only makes sense that they came to an understanding in the end. Not every series needs to end with childish riding into sunset or a wedding type romance. Its nice to see relationship handled in more mature way.
 
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