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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
267 46.60%
4 out of 5: Liked it
 
102 17.80%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
83 14.49%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
57 9.95%
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09-16-10, 1:13 PM

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WTF happend....*goes back to watch*....


-I don't care anymore...
I wish everybody would just dissapear into darkness...

 
09-16-10, 1:14 PM

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seizonsha said:
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Well, not actually... Sebastian couldn"t eat Ciels soul because of the contract Hannah had with Alois. His last wish was that Sebastian NEVER gets the soul he wanted so much. That"s why he became a demon. I wonder if that is the reason why Seabstian looked so sad through this episode...
That it didn"t happen, and that Sebastian ate Ciels soul, then he would end like Luca, sleeping inside od the demon...

didnt ciel and sebastian sign a contract????
im kinda lost with this episode

Alois made a contract with Hanna before the two butlers arrived in the tower. He wished for Ciel to be save from the demon butlers and for his soul to never be eaten (maybe because he did not want for Ciel to end up like him). So Hanna made Ciel a demon and thus Sebastian was forever unable to eat Ciel's soul (because demons don't have an immortal soul).
BUT, and that's why Sebastian is 'sad' (more like innerly destroyed), the contract between Ciel and Sebastian is made with the promise that it is over once and only once Sebastian has devoured Ciel's soul. Because that is impossible now Sebastian is now forever chained to Ciel (this is what they talk about in the carriage at the end) by the contract they made.

Like the cards to their former friends said, Ciel Phantomhive is practically dead now and there is no reason for him anymore to stay. Like he said to the servants ''Use the mansion however you like. You may as well burn it down''...I thought that was really sad.

I'm really impressed at the guts they showed in the end by producing such an ending. I think many manga-fans will be raging because of it, but I love it.


I hope people don't bash Alois and say it's his fault because of this...
I can see the rage coming from the Ciel and Sebastian fans..*shivers*
DON'T BLAME ALOIS, HE JUST WANTED CIEL TO HAVE THE BEST!
HE WAS BEING THOUGHTFUL...A LITTLE TOO THOUGHTFUL..AND HE..
made them come to this situation. What an interesting situation..

 
09-16-10, 1:15 PM

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OMG, THE CLAUDE DIED?!

 
09-16-10, 1:19 PM

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What did I just watch...What is this, I don't even.

"Death is the end of a dark prison."
 
09-16-10, 1:25 PM

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EarlCiel said:
OMG, THE CLAUDE DIED?!


now your happy right thats what ya all whanted isnt it
 
09-16-10, 1:26 PM

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I knew they would you "The Devil" card.
It actually has nothing to do with demons and satan either..
there's a convincing argument that this is the most powerful and dangerous card in the deck. Magically speaking, it is the one card in the deck that holds the secret of how to escape the material and temporal bonds of Earth.

This is a card about ambitions; it is also synonymous with temptation and addiction. On the flip side, however, the card can be a warning to someone who is too restrained, someone who never allows themselves to get passionate or messy or wild - or ambitious.

I can totally see how it relates to this episode.

 
09-16-10, 1:26 PM

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WHAT WAS THAT ?

I mean, Ciel turned into a demon?
I.. knew it, but.. but!!
OMG.

I have no words.
I'm sad, because soon ALL the hate will come and cheer about Claude's death, which I'm not looking forward to .
Remember, respect the fans who just lost a character they love.

I just don't .. it's not a bad ending. Just confusing.
But I guess.. at least Sebby and Ciel stayed together in the end.

And I'm glad all characters had an appearence, even the wonderful Alois. <3
But poor servants, Soma and Agni. ;;

- GRELL, RONALD & WILL <333

love is such a strange thing
but with you, it doesn't matter

 
09-16-10, 1:28 PM

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EarlCiel said:
OMG, THE CLAUDE DIED?!


YES HE DID HAHAHA
 
09-16-10, 1:31 PM

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Mony-Chan said:

I have no words.
I'm sad, because soon ALL the hate will come and cheer about Claude's death, which I'm not looking forward to .
Remember, respect the fans who just lost a character they love.


No one said anything.
And I don't have any intention of celebrating my happiness towards his death
because I am mentally confused..but I'll say that I felt no emotion when he was stabbed.
I just kind of laughed when Sebastian put on his glasses, rofl

Sebby:...I'll put your glasses on you since you always wanted it on *sniffles*
Claude: X______X

 
09-16-10, 1:32 PM

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Astrid_ said:
EarlCiel said:
OMG, THE CLAUDE DIED?!


YES HE DID HAHAHA


whats soo great about that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CLAUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!*starts crying again*
 
09-16-10, 1:33 PM

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OMG, WHAT DID CIEL JUST SAY TO ELIZABETH?
If I heard right (with my horrible japanese skills)
HE SAID ITADAKIMASU, SO EITHER HE'S SAYING THAT CAUSE THEY'LL EAT TOGETHER...
OR...HE'S...TALKING...TO..HER..*shivers*

 
09-16-10, 1:34 PM

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i really hate the additude of yours
 
09-16-10, 1:36 PM

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EarlCiel said:
Mony-Chan said:

I have no words.
I'm sad, because soon ALL the hate will come and cheer about Claude's death, which I'm not looking forward to .
Remember, respect the fans who just lost a character they love.


No one said anything.
And I don't have any intention of celebrating my happiness towards his death
because I am mentally confused..but I'll say that I felt no emotion when he was stabbed.
I just kind of laughed when Sebastian put on his glasses, rofl


I'm not saying that to you, just saying in general, like when people cheered on Alois' death.
Remember it wasn't a nice feeling, so why past that feeling on to someone else.
That's simply all I'm saying.

love is such a strange thing
but with you, it doesn't matter

 
09-16-10, 1:39 PM

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Well I must say I am satisfied. I didn't think I would have ever ended up saying this about the second season but... here we go.
Of course I don't accept the fact that Alois died, but well, this is like the third (or even fourth) time he dies in this series, and this one seemed to be by fair the happiest. He reunited with Luca, and if I understood it correctly, Claude is stuck with him, Luca and Hannah too. So yeah, he got Claude back, and now it doesn't even matter if Claude doesn't love him because he's got Luca and Hannah as backup (hehe, not only Claude died and didn't get to eat Ciel's soul, he's also stuck with Alois... oh revenge is a wonderful thing).
Also, he managed to get his revenge on Sebastian (who hasn't done nothing to him but well... it was a question of principle) and revealed himself to be a good friend for Ciel (yeah, we got hints of AloisxCiel friendship as well) by protecting him from the demons. In short, he pretty much ruled everything and I think this is how things had to be.
Also, Sebastian lost his chance to eat Ciel's soul forever, and he DESERVES it because he's lied to Ciel. Hehe.
Ciel seemed pretty satisfied when he became a demon, and I really love this twist of plot. Even if Sebastian is colder towards Ciel, it's like Ciel doesn't need him anymore because he's also a powerful demon now... everything is settled.
Again, I am satisfied.
 
09-16-10, 1:40 PM

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EarlCiel said:
Mony-Chan said:

I have no words.
I'm sad, because soon ALL the hate will come and cheer about Claude's death, which I'm not looking forward to .
Remember, respect the fans who just lost a character they love.


No one said anything.
And I don't have any intention of celebrating my happiness towards his death
because I am mentally confused..but I'll say that I felt no emotion when he was stabbed.
I just kind of laughed when Sebastian put on his glasses, rofl

Sebby:...I'll put your glasses on you since you always wanted it on *sniffles*
Claude: X______X

you said that , and theres an anti claude banner in you're signture XDDDDD
 
09-16-10, 1:41 PM

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i really hate the additude of yours


My attitude..?


And people will probably be too surprised and confused than to celebrate over his death..
If they do rejoice and skip around while expressing their happiness, let them be for they
are pretty much allowed to do that. If the get HA IN YOUR FACE YOU DESERVE IT FREAK
they might have to calm down a little...

 
09-16-10, 1:43 PM

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seizonsha said:
LuciferTheAngel said:
filthy_victorian said:


Well, not actually... Sebastian couldn"t eat Ciels soul because of the contract Hannah had with Alois. His last wish was that Sebastian NEVER gets the soul he wanted so much. That"s why he became a demon. I wonder if that is the reason why Seabstian looked so sad through this episode...
That it didn"t happen, and that Sebastian ate Ciels soul, then he would end like Luca, sleeping inside od the demon...

didnt ciel and sebastian sign a contract????
im kinda lost with this episode

Alois made a contract with Hanna before the two butlers arrived in the tower. He wished for Ciel to be save from the demon butlers and for his soul to never be eaten (maybe because he did not want for Ciel to end up like him). So Hanna made Ciel a demon and thus Sebastian was forever unable to eat Ciel's soul (because demons don't have an immortal soul).
BUT, and that's why Sebastian is 'sad' (more like innerly destroyed), the contract between Ciel and Sebastian is made with the promise that it is over once and only once Sebastian has devoured Ciel's soul. Because that is impossible now Sebastian is now forever chained to Ciel (this is what they talk about in the carriage at the end) by the contract they made.

Like the cards to their former friends said, Ciel Phantomhive is practically dead now and there is no reason for him anymore to stay. Like he said to the servants ''Use the mansion however you like. You may as well burn it down''...I thought that was really sad.

I'm really impressed at the guts they showed in the end by producing such an ending. I think many manga-fans will be raging because of it, but I love it.


i maybe dislike alois because of this U_U
 
09-16-10, 1:44 PM

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Even though all these things happened...I am satisfied with the ending..
Although I really feel bad for Sebastian.
This really proves that what he really did feel passionate about was Ciel's soul...
Ciel seemed satisfied having his butler by his side..forever...=)

 
09-16-10, 1:45 PM

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EarlCiel said:
OMG, WHAT DID CIEL JUST SAY TO ELIZABETH?
If I heard right (with my horrible japanese skills)
HE SAID ITADAKIMASU, SO EITHER HE'S SAYING THAT CAUSE THEY'LL EAT TOGETHER...
OR...HE'S...TALKING...TO..HER..*shivers*


What I liked about that ending scene is that it seems as if Ciel is not just living his friends, but the victorian era in general. He didn't really fit in society because he's always been too swallowed up in his own darkness to be sociable and with all this demon business... well, he simply could have never ended up living a normal life as an Earl. So dancing with what was supposed to be his future wife, and drinking an empty cup of tea, seemed a kind of ritual with which he let go that life forever and prepared for his new one as a demon.
 
09-16-10, 1:46 PM

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Ahh i felt happy with Alois...
but~~
Throughout the rest of the ep and how Sabastians mood was...
it confused me and made it depressing..
ahh if he was only happier...


-I don't care anymore...
I wish everybody would just dissapear into darkness...

 
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