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Sep 13, 2010 8:06 AM
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These surprising turns of battle are so often that they become totally unsurprising :(
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Oct 30, 2011 9:30 PM
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Kira is starting to get on my nerves...
Nov 22, 2011 5:21 PM
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Nice Mirallia~

I want minerva to go down! but what is happening with Cagalli? Im starting to thik that she's kind of irritating with all those tears~ *sigh! get up cagalli! act like before!!
and....
waaaaaaaaaaaa!Capatain Todaka~~~~
May 10, 2013 9:45 PM
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Basically, my thought of the episode:

Aug 19, 2013 11:04 AM
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well ... that's surprisingly felt like de ja vu but it was a great episode never the less , kira kept his death score clean , kicked orb's ass , kicked earth's alliance's ass and athrun's ass
cagali is as useless as ever ... if you don't want to shoot why bring the fucking machine gun ??
captain todoka one word .... RESPECT ..... followed orders to the very end and protected his countries beliefs as best as he could he could have made a coup d'etat and killed the asshole but for the sake of his country he didn't to avoid havoc

shinn = asshole + fool + spoiled kid
Jan 24, 2014 3:25 PM
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Godammit everyone's just being completely stupid, so many people died for nothing (though that's not surprising since it seems to always happen). But seriously, they really could've avoided the death toll in this episode if #1 that pilot captain guy let go of his pride and not say shit like "we've prepared to fight today and we will go through with it. Let everyone see our determination." Yes because I'm sure your death will be seen as a heroic act by the world. #2 seriously if they didn't like what Yuna was doing, they should've just said fuck you and go against Earth Alliance since they aren't inferior to them or anything.

dragonknight808 said:

captain todoka one word .... RESPECT ..... followed orders to the very end and protected his countries beliefs as best as he could he could have made a coup d'etat and killed the asshole but for the sake of his country he didn't to avoid havoc

shinn = asshole + fool + spoiled kid

I do respect Captain Todoka for his sacrifice but I still think saving the guy who destroyed their nation's belief of staying neutral was not the way to go. Either way, everyone in Orb's military was already in confusion thinking whether or not to listen Cagalli. I don't think he avoided havoc at all because Orb is one confused country atm, listen to Yuna? Or listen to Cagalli?

But I do agree that Shinn is an idiot and he needs to go. He has way too much anger.

And noooo why're Athrun and Kira fighting again? Seriously, everyone in this season is just stupid. Needs more talk no jutsu.
Feb 14, 2014 1:24 PM
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I agree with tingy here. Everyone is so angsty in this season compared to the last one. And another thing is that there's way to much drama as well.

It was sad to see Todoka go down, and what's worse, by Shinn's hands. So ironic considering Todoka helped the Minerva escape from Orb forces earlier on in the series. As they say "No good deed goes unpunished".

Shinn gives in to his anger a lot. Whereas Kira and Athrun internalize everything, Shinn does the opposite, and now we can see how dangerous and foolish that kind of attitude really is.

Shinn might even end up hurting his own friends one day if he can't control that rage of his.

In any case, it was really disheartening to see Kira and Athrun fighting again. Such a shame that all of the huild-up from season one is being thrown away. There's no way they would've fought each other after season 1, so this is just bad writing.
Sep 18, 2014 12:51 AM
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Its not just drama its POINTLESS drama, Orb is dumb because they can't stand up and stop Yuma. Athrun should be helping the Archangel team right now because they both agree on stopping the fighting unless Athrun has lost all memory on how they stopped the last war. Cagalli my god...decide on a course of action and ACT!!!!! No standing up and crying cause it hasn't been working the whole series, that's why Orb is in this mess because you REFUSE TO ACT!!!!

And Shinn...okay he needs to go now...Todaka I salute you...but you should have kept Yuma on your boat.
Jan 4, 2015 5:44 AM
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Wow. I'm wondering if the writers of Destiny even read or saw SEED at all, I mean I know most of the same crew worked on both but WTF?

Why? That is the only thing that can be said about Destiny. As in, why is Athrun acting the same way he did back at the beginning of SEED? Why is Shinn such a self-important dick? Why is Cagalli trying to solve everything by standing around crying? See? "Why" is all there is to Destiny.

Seriously, what is up with all of SEED's character development for Athrun and Cagalli being completely ignored? Why is Kira the only one sticking to his beliefs after everything they all went through together?

This episode was completely pointless. Kira and Todoka were the only characters not acting like complete fucking idiots. For most of the Earth guys being an idiot is their natural state, but for most of the characters it was completely out of character.

Such horrible writing should not be permitted.
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May 25, 2015 7:18 PM

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(rewatching)

I've seen this a bunch of times but that battle still had me on the edge of my seat... that's why it's my favorite one. So intense!

Bye bye Saviour, you will be missed :(
(stupid Athrun didn't use seed-mode)
May 27, 2015 2:57 PM

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So this is where the show hits the low and becomes terrible? I was not amused, episode was plain terrible, completely butchered every Seed character.

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Jun 13, 2015 10:54 AM
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Why the hell did the commander stay on the ship if he was not going to do anything?
Jun 13, 2015 11:02 AM

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Holybum said:
Why the hell did the commander stay on the ship if he was not going to do anything?

I guess it's a military thing to not abandon ship. Especially for the commander.
Aug 18, 2015 3:49 PM
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Well... as usual the mobile suit action was on point, the rest of the episode... not so much. Lol
Cagalli is really starting to get on my nerves. Like god damnit, you're in a fucking mobile suit, stop crying and do something about it.
Apr 23, 2016 8:25 PM

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RIP Captain Tokada, not sure why he had to stay on the ship still but whatever, pretty badass moment.

Also...I heard a lot of hate from Shinn and so far I didn't really actually hate the guy or anything but NOW after 28 episodes in...I can say I fucking hate this kid.
Jun 6, 2016 6:05 AM

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I thought for sure that Lunamaria was done for.
Nov 5, 2016 4:40 PM

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CAGALI, DO SOMETHING!!! DON'T JUST STAND THERE, YOU IDIOT!!!

ATHRUN AND MINERVA GUYS, STOP BEING IGNORANT ASSHOLES!!

SHINN, QUIT BEING THE BIGGEST DICK IN SEED HISTORY!!!

EVERYONE, DO SOMETHING RIGHT!!!!! *screams in agony at the sheer stupidity unfolded that resulted in the tragedy at the end*
Aug 14, 2017 5:28 AM

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This episode was beyond trash for all the reasons mentionned above. What the actual fuck, man.
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Sep 1, 2017 9:26 PM
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Kira: SEED Mode ACTIVATE!!!!
Shinn: SEED Mode ACTIVATE!!!!
Sep 14, 2017 3:47 PM
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Uh yeah, main problem was Cagalli was really useless, at least go hunt that Yuna and gain back control.....I mean back in Seed, when she was still with those Desert Guys, she'd be fighting in the jeep in an even more dangerous situation, now she's in a mobile suit and not doing anything. Like AT LEAST blast Yuna's ship if you don't want Orb to fight or step out the mobile suit and show yourself. Sure the captain would rather die by Cagalli than Shinn. Also Kira fighting the wrong person too, if Cagalli ain't getting Yuna, then he should, why is he fighting Athrun? LOL Anyone could see the troublemaker is Yuna xD Just the action was good though.
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Mar 6, 2018 8:19 PM

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Wow this episode was a dumpster fire,like almost every aspect of this episode was either a total flop or downright infuriating. For starters the ONLY reason this conflict is even happening is cause everyone is just fucking stupid and hypocritical, kira is a massive hypocrite and everything hes doing doesnt make sense but they are playing him off like some greater good, athrun is angsting and feels like they are fishing for reasons to make him be on the oppossite side of kira, cagalli is absolutely worthless, and then theres shinn......OOOOOOHHH how do you fuck up a character this badly? The show had everything going for his character even with all his anger, there has been a noticeable and clear character arc for him that has humanized him past all the angst as well as him being far more composed in recent episodes than at the start, then all of the sudden not only is all that reverse but hes so unstable for absolutely no reason he goes in for the kill on fucking cagali? Are you kidding me show? And then above all this mess, the cherry on top, that abysmal attempt at orchestrating a tragedy by making it so shinn unintentionally killed a soldier who was nice to him when he lost his family. That was so tagged on last minute that it was laughable.


Also what in the high hell did they do to kira? Hes a totally different character in this, kira in the first series while not a perfect protagonist, had a respectable arc of a traumatized boy forced to fight and kill against his will, prone to letting his emotions get the better of him, and when he was granted a high power to be able to avoid conflict more so than he could before still came face to face with the horrors of war not being able to save alot of people he attempted and letting his emotions get the better of him like how he gave into revenge and maliciously killed rau crucet. Here in destiny however hes this aboslute know it all prick that is always right in every judgement he has of every character around him even when his logic makes NO FUCKING SENSE whilst the show pretends it does. No, none of this pacifism stuff makes any sense its getting people slaughtered with no end in sight cause hes just taking out their weapons but making 0 attempts to actually understand why the conflict is even happening, his attempts to convince athrun essentially boil down to "no dude your wrong cause i have a huntch", and hes just ignoring loads of criticsm, stuff thats VERY valid. And its not even just that hes always right, hes a absolute dick for no reason to characters while doing so, like that jab he takes at cagalli's inability to act earlier in the series, it was so out of character and that has only persisted.


Seed destiny has been far better than i ever expected going into it, i expected a mess from the get go so the fact theres been as much enjoyment as ive had makes this a far better experience than i ever anticipated, but i forsee this is the point where the show's infamy began.
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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Loved the high tension. It was satisfying seeing both sides get shredded.

Loved seeing Shinn evade and throw his beam saber like a javelin at that one guy.




Shinn dodging Kira's slash was also cool.




Really sucks that Athrun's Savior was unceremoniously two shotted by Kira Yamato, having never got a hit in on the Freedom or having lasted more than 2 seconds. Even Shin managed to evade a saber blow. Also sucks how Cagalli has been treated as a moron. This series has not been kind to my favorite couple as of late.

Oct 28, 2021 10:04 PM
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Yuna needs to die ASAP because he's an even worse leader than Cagalli. Once again, she does nothing but cry. I still don't hate Shinn like everyone else here btw.
Dec 14, 2022 1:06 PM
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Every time Cagalli is on screen I want to vomit!!! I was more or less enjoying it, but she is a buzz kill of the series!!! I'm already fed up with her.
Jun 20, 2023 5:58 AM

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so frustrating but not in a bad way. hard to tell sometimes what they're thinking because they say one thing and do another, you can see the cognitive dissonance and regret in action. very sad.
Dec 26, 2023 5:34 AM

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I don't know if i can stand other 22 episodes of shinn's blind rage against everything, i truly dislike him.
the show in general is not as bad ad everyone says, and but is also far from great.
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