Highschool of the Dead Episode 9 Discussion

SlickDragon said:
There is a huge debate in regards to if Saeko and Takashi had sex here in Episode 9.

In the manga chapter 17, they probably didn't share a kiss, and likely didn't have sex. There is still the question of what loud noises could have drawn the zombies to them, why Saeko is shown adjusting her skirt(could be due to getting wrinkled while sleeping, or equally likely that she didnt wear it during the night, for whatever reason...), why Takashi had no qualms squeezing Saeko's tits (especially since before the night in question he was very shy around her in sexually charged situations), and the confession that ensued while fondling her, and finally the aftereffect of all this with Saeko asking him to take responsibility. Also clearly Takashi had an interest in her previously based on prying into her love life, with the obvious intention of seeing if the coast was clear. When they get to the Mansion they are clearly displaying physical affection, which is noted by Takagi and immediately sours her previously jubilant mood in regards to Takashi surviving. Still in the manga most would agree it's unlikely they had sex there, since more hints would have let us know of the development.

However the Anime is another matter. There is no doubt that at the least kissing and sexual activity ensued, as implied by the significantly long black screen pause following their kiss. All the points above which are shown and emphasized in the anime, including the more obvious confession(the additional line "I think you are the best/coolest woman I know) while vigorously stimulating her breasts and getting her juices running for the ensuing battle, serve to reinforce the blatantly obvious direction in the Anime of them having had sex.

With all this proof in tow, there is NO DOUBT that in the Anime Cannon THEY HAD SEX. Sure thats a loose and liberal interpretation of the manga, but throughout the 12 episodes nearly everything was adapted faithfully. On this tangent the anime decided to appeal to the overwhelming public support of Saeko x Takashi. Even in the slim chance that the manga eventually foolishly decides to not have this as a final ship, that will not retroactively change the Anime's reality where Saeko and Takashi did have sex. The anime would have little trouble adapting the (imaginary and highly unlikely) subideal pairing of something like Rei x Takashi, since there was nothing questionable about Saeko and Takashi having sex earlier. He most assuredly WAS NOT with Rei, nor committed to her in any written or even oral agreement. Rei also has no grounds to chastise him for being with another woman, as she already is guilty of choosing and being with his best friend, not too mention constantly bombarding and comparing Takashi unfavorably to her Hisashi.

Still some Rei shippers and the obstinately ignorant fools will try to deny what happened in the Anime. Their claims lack any substance, with their best and only semi-logical counter being that the manga didn't go so far. Unfortunately for them even if in the manga they didn't have sex, that has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on the Anime. The most recent supposed counter is from the filler OVA, which clearly is a fan service special that doesn't follow any of the anime rules/cannon (i.e they never were on the island, and the zombies "attacking" Takashi clearly didn't follow their normal rules and characteristics and were just used as a gag). In the delusional orgy, where no one is in their right mind, supposedly Saeko's line "I've always wanted to do this" is a "counter" to them having had sex previously. This ofcourse ignores the context, and more importantly the ensuing line, which is really part of the same sentence, namely "I've always wanted to this, I've always wanted to be your woman". Unfortunately for the ignorant few that tout this as proof, even in this delusional rambling there is nothing contradictory in her words saying she has always wanted to be his woman who could have sex with him on a regular basis, even with all the other girls right near their vicinity. Up until that point they just had a 1 night stand that they felt was right given the circumstances, namely being all alone, separated from their friends/family/help/food/ and necessities, in a world gone mad. In addition their actions were largely spurred by the emotional instability and insecurity radiating from Saeko, due to her not feeling fit to love men and have men reciprocate that, because of her twisted and dark pleasure from hurting/killing others. Takashi said the important Words, that he understood her and accepted her, and proved he meant it and that she could still be wanted with his Actions, namely by kissing and then making love to her. However that could end up being an anomaly due to needing to survive their present crisis, as is referenced by Takashi's highly misunderstood/mistranslated statement "I accepted her Darkness. Actually i accepted everything in the end. Obviously i did this in order to survive". The Ova Saeko comment clearly reinforces that she wants to be with him sexually as his woman, on a frequent and permanent basis. The fact that it even showed them having sex and both wanting eachother in their respective delusions is actually just more proof that they did have sex in episode 9, with this being the fanservice of that night we didn't get.

In short, the consensus is that in the manga they probably didnt have sex in Chapter 17 (although possible), however in the Anime the overwhelming facts and input from fans/critics is that they did have sex(with no legitimate room to deny it).

souledge94 said:

Again its not proof unless actually said then it didint happen.With a show that doesint shy away from this sort of thing you really think they would have shyed away from that.Someone here just sounds like a hardcore shipper.Stuff like this is done for 2 reasons.One is to get shippers riled up and talking about the show more witch it suceeded in doing as you can tell from yourself and secondly it gives them leg room to do whatever they want with that scene later on.They could say they kissed and nothing els or they kiss and screwed or kissed and almost came close to screwing or maybe not kiss at all and just huged.Thats why it turned black its just a easy way to make up their minds later depending on viewer response.

SlickDragon said:


Say what you will, the overwhelming consensus is that in this episode they did have sex. The positive support for this Anime Original Canon Sex Scene is what led to "them" giving us the OVA sex scene. You can ignore these points all you want, just understand that your view is at best that of the insignificant minority, at worst delusional.

souledge94 said:

You didint refute any of my points all you did was "nu uh they did" .Also the ova doesint mean anything as it doesint go with anime cannon its just there and even if we did go by it it was all in their heads.Just admit your a hardcore shipper and this was your ray of hope.Like I said untill its said witin the anime its all asumption.I gave you all my points to why the scene played out like it did.Simply put it gives the writers wiggle room to go anyway they want to go.You can go "they did it they so did it" all you want but the fact is the anime doesint say anything on it.When it does then you can say that line if they indeed say they did it.

DesolateOne said:
No. People are missing the actual reason - it can't be done. Most of the time at least. Why? Because most anime shows involve young teenagers; never ones who are older. Sex scenes in Western movies involve adults, not children. Well, obviously I'm saying this in a loosely-based fashion but yeah. When they do involve adults, they usually just make it a full-fledged hentai for the sake of ease in terms of convention. Noone wants to break outside of te predefined box.

An exception to this would be animes like Highschool of the Dead in which there was a sex scene similar to ones found in Westen movies. The only reason it worked in the show was because they looked pretty much like adults and the "atmosphere" of the show was a bit more mature as opposed to shows like Air and stuff.

However, I feel that shows like Clannad would have been a great choice for a sex scene, but they probably choose not to include it but instead mention it to keep it a lot "safer".

In short, it's just hard to find a good reason or a good atmosphere to create a sex scene. Afterall, two students from a highschool facing off against the supernatural (i.e a shounen with action & romnce) having consensual sex seems...random.

SlickDragon said:


I see you don't have much experience watching anime, and in particular ecchi. If you think things need to be stated explicitly in order to ascertain their veracity, then let me do you the favor of letting you know that it doesn't work like that in anime. The majority of the time these matters are only implied, without showing the deed or anything more than kissing (usually not even that much). They are often times not even discussed afterwords. Prominent examples (there are too many to list but i'll bring up some top 50 most popular anime examples) include the sex scenes in Fate Stay Night (using dragon animations for the sex scenes between Shirou and Saber. They never say they are having sex, just "recharging" mana), Shakugan no Shana Final (episode 11, Margery Daw and Satou have a very similar scene to this episode of HOTD, but there is no doubt by anyone they had sex eventhough its never explicitly confirmed), Neon Genesis Evangelion (Katsuragi and Kaji sex scenes aren't shown explicitly).

The main reason for this is due to japanese culture and censorship. They don't want their children or even teenagers to be exposed to sex in anime since they fear it will affect their real life decision making for the worse, as they are more likely to emulate what they see. Sex amongst middle school/high school teenagers is even more problematic, often times leading to boycotts and protests if it's ever introduced in these anime. A prime example was Mobile Suit Gundam Seed, here is a quote from the gundam wiki and wikipedia-

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_SEED
"In episode 16 ("The Burning Desert Sands"), it is made very clear that the main character Kira Yamato and his love interest Flay Allster had sex sometime between episodes 15 and 16. This scene gave parents in Japan a scare and caused a good deal of controversy at the time. The directors were punished for this scene."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_SEED
The sixteenth episode of Gundam SEED features a scene in which Kira Yamato is seen dressing after getting out of a bed where the teenage girl Flay Allster lies sleeping naked, suggesting a sexual relationship. The Japanese Commission for Better Broadcasting reported that viewers filed complaints regarding the scene as the show was aired at 6 pm when children would be watching. Mainichi replied by mentioning it should have given more careful consideration to the episode before airing it.[126]

There are many forum discussions explaining why sex is treating in such an evasive and non realistic matter, ill link 1 of them here entitled Why isn't their sex scenes in anime
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=393935&show=20

A well respected answer on the 1st page was


Coincidentally the answer happens to include a prime example of a show with sex scenes, namely this exact episode and discussion we are talking about.

Whether you want to accept the facts and reality of the anime world are up to you, but I'd advise you to not flaunt your ignorance and naivete overly much if you want to be taken seriously on MAL.

Hyperdemon said:
Damn Saeko is a super sadist, and really prone to getting wet :p

Tengai said:
Re-watching.
and then he fucking said that shit "of course, it was in order for me to survive". WHAT THE FUCK MAN?!?!?! you motherfucking player ahahaha.

Aversa said:
Well he kisses her, or so it appears it turns dark next this it's morning.
And it seemed like Seako was positioning her skirt.
So what happened between the kiss and the morning is up to are imagination.

Aversa said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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They skipped the sex scene!!
Anyway great episode i really loved the way Seako handled her sword.
And with her dark personality she gained some points on attractiveness

moviefan said:
Takashi has feelings for Rei, but he's also developing feelings for Saeko that seem to be progressing rapidly.

And since sex was mentioned, I find it interesting that as they lean in to kiss, the screen fades to black (which has been used to imply sex), that just before they leave the next morning, as Takashi's checkin for zombies, Saeko is PUTTING HER SKIRT ON, when she was clearly wearing it the previous night before they leaned in to kiss as the screen faded to black. Hmm, now why would her skirt be off after cutting to morning after they kiss and it fades to black?That's a pretty strong implication. And Saeko also asks him to "take responsibility", which is a very commonly used phrase in anime and manga after "something" happens between two charcters.

It's also very common two people will turn to comfort sex in dangerous or stressful situations. And even though Takashi does have feelings for Rei, they're not together, and Takashi is developing feelings for Saeko too, and she for him. At this point, both girls are pretty much competeing for him, especially since their options are somewhat limited now that the world is dead.

As far as I'm concerned, even though they didn't show "anything" happening between Takashi and Saeko at the shrine (and they VERY rarely ever do in anime), I thought it implied well enough that they did in fact sleep together. The emotional moment before they leaned in to kiss before fading to black, Saeko finishing getting dressed the next morning when she was fully dressed the night before, her comment of "taking responsibility", it was pretty obvious to me what happened.

There's also a hentai manga that shows just what went on between the two at the shrine. Even though I know those mangas aren't canon, it could easily fit between the fade out and morning scene.

Chris_Makise said:
I mean really it can be totally seen how Saeko is pregnent !!!

Fang-tan said:
I really didn't want to end up with Saeko so I didn't enjoy this episode this much. Especially since it revealed things about Saeko I liked and then things I didn't.

You know what's probably the worst? Even thought they had this episode he'll still end up with Rei.

Well, that's good for me because I want them to but not for Saeko fans I guess.