Wintergreen said: I think that she has a right to feel that way and it's good of her to speak out like that. Also, serious respect to her for quoting Fullmetal Alchemist. That was great! Whenever I can I buy manga in Japanese from Japan, but the shipping's expensive so I can't do that nearly as much as I'd like. I really want to support the creators of my favorite series as much as I can! If I lived in Japan it'd be a lot easier to do that, so it's really annoying to hear that some Japanese people would only read/watch things on the computer instead of buying the series they love. One of the few good comments I've read on here. She's clearly talking about JAPANESE fans guys, the ones THAT SEEMINGLY can't afford to buy GFantasy magazine, once a month, for ONLY 580 yen (about 7 USD) to read her work legally... And also the "starve to death" sentence IS NOT A CORRECT WAY of translating what she said! *facepalms* |
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| I think people are taking her "starving to death" comment out of context. She was referring to the mangaka community as a whole, not just herself. While she may be raking in the money due to her stuff being so widespread, other no names are getting the short end of the stick due to fans reading scans. Her article may be directed to Japanese readers but her comment about fans sending her emails saying they've seen her shows on foreign sites is clearly meant for everyone including foreigners. You shouldn't be thinking you're a saint just because you think she's not talking to you lol. |
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darknagas said: tbh, I'm very sad after reading this because I'm just a fan from pure downloading illegal materials but what can I do now? I live in a third world country and I'm still a student and can't earn money yet. But I plan to buy my favorite manga and dvd's(ofc the original ones, pirated dvds here are abundant) when I earned my money from work after studying ^_^ And yeah it's the fan who wrote the letter to the mangaka at fault. What's the reason of stating the source of his/her anime/manga in his/her letter? To boast to her favorite mangaka that's he's a computer master and the cause is her awesome anime? Exactly. The only reason I watch anime/read manga online and/or download is because most of the mangas I read aren't available in my country. The ones that are available, like Ouran, I buy. But Kuroshitsuji is not. I really do like it, so I'll definitely buy in when and IF it gets here. And sure, I can buy the pirate dvd, but it would be just as bad! |
Hikari08 said: guyklc said: I think she's taking it a bit too far. Tbh, the reason why I'm supporting the anime/manga industry right now is because of illegal scans/uploads. Enjoying anime/manga while coming to the realization that "I love anime, but I wanna let the creators starve to death" was what got me to start wanting to buy anime. Let's not forget, companies like Funimation also largely depend on how popular an anime is due to fansubs to decide whether to release the anime on DVD to foreigners or not (and if really successful, whether to add a dub or not). She is actually talking about the Japanese fans downloading illegal copies...not about fansubs or foreign fans. Why should the Japanese fans download illegally when the manga or anime is readily available in their own country? *Facepalm* Oh, well it makes sense she'd be angry at her Japanese fans for not supporting her, when they clearly have all the access to her Kuroshitsuji merchandise in Japan. I thought she was referring to foreign fans because, as you said, Japanese fans can easily access all of the materials in Japan. At the very least, they can watch the show for free on television... |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
| I'm starting to think Japanese Otakus are ronery no lifers who border on the state of autism. Between sending death threats to mangaka's who depict any kinda heroine as anything other then saint who's own mother has never even seen her naked, and sending fan mail to Magaka's tell them they love their shit and in the process revealing they didn't pay for it. Japan needs to seriously thing about having a purge of some sort. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| IDK, downloading the manga is sort of legal in my country since it's not being sold here AT ALL. XD Though I really do love Kuroshitsuji, things are just expensive that I'LL starve to death by feeding her. :P I'm stingy because I'm poor, too, and I don't even have a decent job yet! |
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| She should feel butthurt and mortified if she really received letters like those. |
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| I won't say I'm not guilty of downloading distributed anime/manga/games/etc... but do people SERIOUSLY mail the creators fanmail just to say they pirated their work? My god people are stupid. |
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Yoyoenix91 said: I won't say I'm not guilty of downloading distributed anime/manga/games/etc... but do people SERIOUSLY mail the creators fanmail just to say they pirated their work? My god people are stupid. Poor people can't afford to buy much, so they download/whatever. Poor people get little to no education. Poor people, because of their low intelligence, do stupid things. Like that. |
| The manuscript price for Manga is low. It costs money plenty to draw a manga. The comic artist covers a deficit with a royalty of the comics. The sleep time is a little. There is no holiday. There is no social security. The side job cannot be done because it doesn't have free time. However, it doesn't know cartoonist that died of hunger. It usually commits suicide by the debt. |
| Those damn Japanese and their bootlegging habits. I mean it's not like Americans illegally download American-made music or television shows all the time, despite being able to find it all over the place. |
| We only do it because we don't have channels like Japan where they play anime like all the time. Also not in English. :I |
| And there I thought she was talking about something else when she said 'Moral Deterioration'. |
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| Official DVDs feature crappy dub and sub quality, yet fans are expected to keep buying it. + Adult Swim is crap and keeps playing the same 4 episodes of Bleach over and over. + Manga volumes in English come out slower than chapters of HunterxHunter. + Toonami (greatest block of programming EVER) died a tragic death years ago (R.I.P). = Non-Japanesse fan experiences moral deterioration. |
| There are two types of mangaka,the one who draw for money and the one who draw for self-sastifaction.She is the draw for money type and she is probably saying this because she probably have not eaten for weeks then when she gone berserk after not eating nothing but eating one white bread with mould on it she will then say that borrowing manga from friend is illegal. My theory: Otaku A got a book of kuroshitsuji and his 10 of his otaku friends want to borrow it from him but he could only lend the manga to one of his friend,then this clever "Otaku A" found a way to lend the manga to his 10 otaku friends at one time that is to scan it and upload it on his blog or website.So,this guy scan it and upload it to "lend" it to his friend,is it illegal to lend your manga to your friend? （笑） |
JiakBaKaEngAug 21, 2010 1:12 PM
| fans of this manga/anime are mostly kids anyway. Sending out mails to mangakas praising their works but not buying it legally. hahhahhaa. I agree that's an insult. common things like manga anime music and movies should be made in the first place for the fans not for the money agree, that's crazy. Always part of all of that is all about MONEY. Work = Money. Comic artists are not rich or that well paid as opposed to what many would think. Beside as a hobby, it is also an occupation where they are supposed to get paid for it. Those who are not working yet doesn't know how it feels when not being paid well. Crazy Kids - they don't know what they're saying. Duh. Just wait until you start working yourselves. |
| Live the life that you love, Love the life that you live... We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. - The Buddha |
Moimy said: And there I thought she was talking about something else when she said 'Moral Deterioration'. Haha me too. What's with all the pedo not-so-much subtext in Kuroshitsuji 2 anyway? The lesson to be learned here is: if you download someone's stuff for free, it's probably a good idea not to tell them. |
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Rizzle said: Manga volumes in English come out slower than chapters of HunterxHunter. That's the main reason I don't buy one of my fave mangas, they're released once every... 4/5 months, insanely behind the japanese counterparts and there's no sign of it getting faster, this time next year volume 6 will be released, and there's like 12 volumes out now, it's shocking, and yen press are huge pushers of c&ds too, slow gimps. AikoD said: Haha me too. What's with all the pedo not-so-much subtext in Kuroshitsuji 2 anyway? Her morals may well focus on money :p she could be the type who'd hang someone for fraud, but tap a guy who plays shares intimate moments with a child in short shorts on the wrist. |
BakaKawaii said: AikoD said: Haha me too. What's with all the pedo not-so-much subtext in Kuroshitsuji 2 anyway? Her morals may well focus on money :p she could be the type who'd hang someone for fraud, but tap a guy who plays shares intimate moments with a child in short shorts on the wrist. This...100% agreed |
| I hate her, and her show sucks. How dare she says something like that -_-. How can we support the manga artist anyway? By spending 9 euro's on one manga volume? If we buy 10 volumes here, we have to pay 90 euro's. In Japan that's maybe 20 - 30 euro's. I'm not willing to pay that. Besides, the Kuroshitsuji II hasn't even released on DVD yet. |
Nerdo said: I hate her, and her show sucks. How dare she says something like that -_-. How can we support the manga artist anyway? By spending 9 euro's on one manga volume? If we buy 10 volumes here, we have to pay 90 euro's. In Japan that's maybe 20 - 30 euro's. I'm not willing to pay that. Besides, the Kuroshitsuji II hasn't even released on DVD yet. Then don't read manga. You have no right to this material and if you don't think it has any value then you shouldn't read it. Truth of the matter is the manga industry is hurting and most mangka don't make a lot of money and are struggling to get by. |
burntlettuce said: Nerdo said: I hate her, and her show sucks. How dare she says something like that -_-. How can we support the manga artist anyway? By spending 9 euro's on one manga volume? If we buy 10 volumes here, we have to pay 90 euro's. In Japan that's maybe 20 - 30 euro's. I'm not willing to pay that. Besides, the Kuroshitsuji II hasn't even released on DVD yet. Then don't read manga. You have no right to this material and if you don't think it has any value then you shouldn't read it. Truth of the matter is the manga industry is hurting and most mangka don't make a lot of money and are struggling to get by. The manga would have to be relatively successful to be licensed abroad, so I doubt that those mangaka are struggling to get by, maybe the no named newbies over in japan, but not over here. Other than that; 90 euros is 30-40 euros in japan? Genius. |
| I think from the view of a fan it will make a greater impact if you write a fan letter to the author of your favourite manga then buying a single copy of their work. After all, it's not like the author really 'gets to know you' when you buy one manga volume LOL. But when you write a letter, she'll eventually notice you, especially if you write things that outrage her hahaha.. Actually, this statement from her only shows that she's way more interested in the money than anything else. There are authors who are after the fame, and there are authors who write because it's their passion. But she's just frustrated that some people are ripping her off of her chance to get even more money LOL. Because we all know that she's OBVIOUSLY NOT STARVING, as Kuroshitsuji is so damn popular in Japan (just how much money did she get from the anime and musical adaptions, and the fan merchandise??). Then again, the majority of the fandom outside japan react pissed when mangakas or people from the industry want to make them into "real fans aka fans who pay", so her statement will backfire, or already has. Hurray! And this is not about who's the "real fan" and who's not, the truth is that they're all only after the money of the people who consume Kuroshitsuji in any way. I bet if you pay for all manga volumes, DVDs or whatever, but write her a hatemail stating that her work is "one hell of a shounen ai plotless crap" (for example) she'll still place you in the fan caterogy, or ex-fan caterogy :D Edit: After reading most of the opinions, it would be funny if someone would send her the link of this topic. She might be quite surprised to see the reaction of her "false fans" and "true fans" |
HimmelmezAug 23, 2010 9:06 AM
Himmelmez said: Then again, the majority of the fandom outside japan react pissed when mangakas or people from the industry want to make them into "real fans aka fans who pay", so her statement will backfire, or already has. Hurray! The real fans who have to wait 4/5 months for a volume release, having 2 volumes out right now, they can relax with the knowledge that they'll catch up in a few years or so. |
| I know this isn't going to happen, but it would be interesting if only the paying people continue to read her manga, and all the downloaders move on to something else. She'd see a lot less hype about her manga on the internet, less fanwork, less discussions, etc. I think I'm right in saying that a lot of her "morally deteriorated" fans (the ones who don't pay, lol) are the people who made the manga popular enough worldwide for it to be licensed internationally in the first place. Sorry if this post is difficult to understand, I'm kind of tired today -__- |
| I love how people seem to think it's a privilege for the author's work to be illegally distributed. She is SO ungrateful. pfft |
shinkeikaku said: I love how people seem to think it's a privilege for the author's work to be illegally distributed. She is SO ungrateful. pfft Kinda makes you wonder how many people actually listened to this past week's ANNcast episode on Anime News Network that touched on EXACTLY this! Himmelmez said: Actually, this statement from her only shows that she's way more interested in the money than anything else. There are authors who are after the fame, and there are authors who write because it's their passion. Here is my problem with that statement. It is too black and white for me to believe that's the case. I'm pretty sure depending on the artist for whatever reason, it is more-so either: A) "love of passion first, need of money second" or B) "need of money first, love of passion second" as oppose to "need of money first, love of passion never" or vice versa. |
HypeathonAug 23, 2010 12:25 PM
| ^Hey hey now, I know it's just a typo, but I resent having that second line of spew being tacked with my username. |
Rizzle said: I know this isn't going to happen, but it would be interesting if only the paying people continue to read her manga, and all the downloaders move on to something else. She'd see a lot less hype about her manga on the internet, less fanwork, less discussions, etc. I think I'm right in saying that a lot of her "morally deteriorated" fans (the ones who don't pay, lol) are the people who made the manga popular enough worldwide for it to be licensed internationally in the first place. Sorry if this post is difficult to understand, I'm kind of tired today -__- Your post was very understandable and very much agree with you. I, for one, have saw her Kuroshitsuji art first (a volume cover) on one of these anime boards and so I decided to give Kuroshitsuji a try. I think the majority of the Kuroshitsuji fans, like me, have heard/saw her work on the net. Kuroshitsuji would never be so popular without the net - like most manga/anime anyway. I think she should think well before saying things like these. And just to add: If I were a mangaka, I would very much prefer my work to be enjoyed and to have people who admire me for what I do instead of lots of money. Yana seems to think the opposite - I think she doesn't really like her fans. |
shinkeikaku said: ^Hey hey now, I know it's just a typo, but I resent having that second line of spew being tacked with my username. *laughes* Sorry about that, the lighting is annoyingly dark in my room and it's making me feel too drowsy to concentrate on my typing that well. I will edit that as soon as I can (which probably will have already been edited by the time you see it). |
| It is not only Yana Toboso. It wishes your deaths in all comic artist. shadowsword said: Rizzle said: And just to add: If I were a mangaka, I would very much prefer my work to be enjoyed and to have people who admire me for what I do instead of lots of money. Yana seems to think the opposite - I think she doesn't really like her fans. Send a message to a comic artist in a sentence as is. XD Might how about this person. http://d.hatena.ne.jp/nakamuraching/ She does 2-year serialization; and around 10 million yen(120000$) debt increase and the comic artist who worked as. You may get a wonderful answer. |
shadowsword said: And just to add: If I were a mangaka, I would very much prefer my work to be enjoyed and to have people who admire me for what I do instead of lots of money. Yana seems to think the opposite - I think she doesn't really like her fans. You say that until you can't pay rent, or your electricity gets shut off for not making enough money. It's funny how little fan's value these artist works. This is a service given to us, and it's her property. She has every right to get upset at people stealing her work. |
| I personally watch the anime online VIA download and If I find it to be good, I purchase it when available. To be honest, I don't have money to disperse on un-important items, however anime has earned a spot in my budget when I chose to support a certain company. |
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burntlettuce said: shadowsword said: And just to add: If I were a mangaka, I would very much prefer my work to be enjoyed and to have people who admire me for what I do instead of lots of money. Yana seems to think the opposite - I think she doesn't really like her fans. You say that until you can't pay rent, or your electricity gets shut off for not making enough money. It's funny how little fan's value these artist works. This is a service given to us, and it's her property. She has every right to get upset at people stealing her work. Huh? Read my earlier post. I am struggling to pay them already don't worry. |
| The industry is to blame for 'fans' habits of wanting anime for free and for making mangaka's so poor relying nearly completely on graphic novel sales to make money. Everything is so messed up there right now it's no wonder that she would speak out like she did. Normally mangaka's are just happy to receive letters from fans, but when the majority of fans talk about getting her work for free, it really isn't fair to them. Those that can't afford it, get it any way you can and I'm sure that the mangaka would just be happy to have a fan. Get it for free because that's how you've grown to think of manga/anime? That's the real problem. |
shadowsword said: Rizzle said: I know this isn't going to happen, but it would be interesting if only the paying people continue to read her manga, and all the downloaders move on to something else. She'd see a lot less hype about her manga on the internet, less fanwork, less discussions, etc. I think I'm right in saying that a lot of her "morally deteriorated" fans (the ones who don't pay, lol) are the people who made the manga popular enough worldwide for it to be licensed internationally in the first place. Sorry if this post is difficult to understand, I'm kind of tired today -__- Your post was very understandable and very much agree with you. I, for one, have saw her Kuroshitsuji art first (a volume cover) on one of these anime boards and so I decided to give Kuroshitsuji a try. I think the majority of the Kuroshitsuji fans, like me, have heard/saw her work on the net. Kuroshitsuji would never be so popular without the net - like most manga/anime anyway. I think she should think well before saying things like these. And just to add: If I were a mangaka, I would very much prefer my work to be enjoyed and to have people who admire me for what I do instead of lots of money. Yana seems to think the opposite - I think she doesn't really like her fans. +1 I doubt that she has problems with paying bills e.t.c. popular mangaka`s are getting enough i`m not talking about shounen jump mangakas. *Saw Kubo`s flat* He`s soooo not poor. Without net and stuff mangakas would have less readers and less money. People from abroad wouldn`t even know about anime, manga and wouldn`t buy them. As i see some fans from other countries buy manga from japan. Mangakas should be happy about that. This kind of posts looks for fans like "if you`re not japanese wait for official releases in your country or watch crappy key hole." Like hell i`m getting this in MY country. In 100 years maybe... well since this post was for japanese fans it`s understandable however, mangaka`s should start thinking about fans from other countries too an improvement in manga and anime industry is needed And...it`s been years since kuroshitsuji being pirated. Why didn`t she have problems until now? She`s just annoyed with stupid messages. I understand her here. But this post in her blog will only bring here more new stupid messages |
Yuki_no_kodomoAug 26, 2010 3:24 AM
dtshyk said: She often receives letters from fans writing that "I borrowed scanned manga in ROMs from my friend wwww (i.e. lol)" What the heck is the "wwww" at the end there? That's Japanese for "lol" or something? |
| I'd love to buy her manga and anime but the thing is I live in a country where there is NO manga at all. When I travel on vacation I buy a lot and I buy Kuroshitsuji too, I'm not interested in buying dubbed anime but at least I buy mangas. When my parents give me the chance, I order from the internet sometimes. Many of us have their own excuses for not purchasing those things and that's my reason. But think about it, if anime was also lisenced on the web, then how would anyone ever get any fans? You know what I mean? Because of this streaming she now has fans like form all over the world. If everything got lisenced, then the fans will only be those who are in Japan or Korean? I don't know but she'll have less fans that way. Anime is a different case than manga, which you can read. The anime shows on TV which is free, so what's the difference if I watch it free here or on TV in Japane? It's pretty much the same thing |
Aoiyuki92Aug 26, 2010 10:44 AM
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NorikoW said: But think about it, if anime was also lisenced on the web, then how would anyone ever get any fans? You know what I mean? Because of this streaming she now has fans like form all over the world. If everything got lisenced, then the fans will only be those who are in Japan or Korean? I don't know but she'll have less fans that way. Anime is a different case than manga, which you can read. The anime shows on TV which is free, so what's the difference if I watch it free here or on TV in Japane? It's pretty much the same thing Well, I've got nothing to say for the manga, but your point on the anime is technically not true. Depending on how many people watch it on TV, the sponsorship rates may vary. TV shows make their money pretty much solely on the commercials that are broadcast. The more people who watch it on TV, the more expensive the commercials would be. This is why commercials that air on major tv events (olympics, for example) can cost up to millions of dollars per second, while commercials that air on graveyard times cost much less. I think (but not sure) the same could be said if anime is licensed online. For example, Funimation allows people to watch anime online (at least here in the US you can; I've heard people outside of US can't see it) at their website and youtube. I'm assuming that their sponsorship costs also vary with how much people view their videos. However, when people watch fansubs that are not licensed, it doesn't matter if nobody or everyone watches them, because either way, the original artist does not get the money from any form of sponsorship. |
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| I would buy it but in Panama you can't buy manga unless you import and the anime is quite expensive just for a few episodes. Twenty dollars or more for a DVD of six or less episodes. |
| Sales of publisher Shueisha 2009 -4.1 billion yen(-48470200 U.S. $) Shogakukan 2009 -4.3 billion yen(-50834600 U.S. $) Kodansha 2009 -5.7 billion yen(-89847200 U.S.$ ) The greater part of comic artist(comic artist assistant) and animator are poor. It embarrasses it with living expenses even if working for 20 hours a day. New figure's comic artist and animator are the edge of extinctions. (Additionally, the publisher also) she is angry to think about a critical situation of the entire industry segments. (She is especially angry of the disastrous scene of animator) The present conditions are severe than you imagines it. |
Melman88 said: I download anime, but I buy the real copy once it's out in my country. Why would I wait two or three freakin years for my favorite anime and mangas to be released here when I could watch them directly when they come out from japan. Same here. |
| @ blindassassin: Two things: 1) Imagine having made an amv or working on some fan-made production regarding releasing colored scanlations of a popular manga on Youtube. Then imagine having some random Youtube user out of nowhere download your amv or colored scanlation or whatever and then upload it into their own account, practically claiming that he made it. How exactly would you feel if that were to happen? 2) Just wondering, what makes you think this manga artist is rich exactly? What makes you automatically believe that because she happens to create a story, she's sleeping on top of a bed-full of billions of yen? |
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