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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- a so-so series but i rather liked the ending, especially the grand duchess' comments about lafiel's dress ;) |
| needed more than 13 episodes, would have been better than but still enjoyable. heh, the duchess thinking she shot him for dressing her like that :D |
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| I really liked this one, now moving to sequels... |
gswelcome said: needed more than 13 episodes, would have been better than but still enjoyable. heh, the duchess thinking she shot him for dressing her like that :D there is about two more seasons and a couple of OVAs wow that was awesome. it was a good show. there is a lot going on and you kind of get dual feeling of whats going on. on one hand their adventures don't seem to be that epic while an interstellar war is waging. cant wait to see the second season. |
kisamiFeb 11, 2009 2:09 PM
| Massacre of mechanical animals was lol-tastic. Really liked the ending - I'm looking forward to watching the sequels. |
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| lol at this classic space adventure season, moving into the war season coming up next.... Just LOVE the opening soundtrack. Edit: the last episode was so good I didn't notice it was 40 minutes long :/ |
wakka9caMar 21, 2010 8:09 PM
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Good series indeed, I really liked the characters, too bad it's confusing for me to understand who's who in this huge intergalict war, I hope next season I can distinguish them better. Animal massacre! xD |
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| Those mechanical animals were sooo crepy... |
| this show is soooo underrated here. |
BigSimo said: this show is soooo underrated here. Absolutely. |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| Thought the ending was pretty good, and overall the series was better than I expected. The pace is a little slow, but I don't really mind it that much. Hopefully the sequels are at least equally as good. |
| One of the best anime space opera I've ever watch. It's slow paced but good. I've watched this back in 1999 in a japanese television but I never understand what they're saying before. Well, on to the next season. |
| Lazy ending. They can do better than throw dialogue over a recycled montage. Even the dialogue felt cheap. I enjoyed the music, though. That oboe solo! |
| One of the most underrated anime out there! |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| I'm not sure Lafiel & Jinto actually need more military training, they just handled several dozens of armed soldiers while running. As for the season, well, there could've been more romance, but there could've been less. But it's pretty good with the amount that there was. |
'Everything is impossible until proven possible.' - Me |
| Loved it. It has such good characters, specially Jinto who is far from your typical teen male MC. |
| Good characters, but I think these side characters really need to be fleshed out more but I have a feeling they will. |
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wakka9ca said: lol at this classic space adventure season, moving into the war season coming up next.... Just LOVE the opening soundtrack. Edit: the last episode was so good I didn't notice it was 40 minutes long :/ This |
| Hrmmmmm . . . Well, this anime has the potential to be somewhat sad if they do more time skips. Anyways looking forward to the next season. |
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| That was a really nice ending to a good show. I was just randomly clicking recommendations and I found this. What a great find :D |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| wow why is this series even lower than a 8??? This is what I call a hidden gem. I was also caught off guard by the 40 minute episode XD 9/10 |
| Wonderful ending. The development of the relationship between the main characters was so nicely portrayed. 8/10 |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| Great show. The world building is top notch, the dialogue and interplay with characters is great as well. About the only thing that I didn't like were the character designs which were a bit off to be honest. But other than that, bravo! |
| I am dissapointed with the last episode. the fights were so unrealistic :/ other than that a very good series...looking forward to next season |
| Such a shame that this series was probably made only promote the books. I definitely would have wanted to see more but at least the mini series didn't have disappointing conclusion even though many things are left open. |
| 40 minute final episode!? unexpected! this was quite enjoyable. lafiel, and jinto even, but especially lafiel, are great characters. |
| Gaaaah why did this have to be so short. I'm glad the final episode was double length though. We got a lot more out of it that way: Jinto & Lafiel's escape; Lafiel crying at her mother's grave; the promise to meet again in the future; what happened with those they met along the way; and finally their meeting after the three years... I'm glad Jinto will still be calling her Lafiel. Excellent characters, dialogue, and setting. If there had been more content I would unhesitatingly be giving this a 9/10, but eeeeh. I dunno. This was a really great series whatever I decide on. I look forward to the sequels. It's a pity the still-publishing novels don't publish more regularly or have consistent fan translations. I'd like to follow this story all the way to the end. |
| Well shit, had a lot of promise but ended up being pretty stupid. Really went downhill after the Gosroth was destroyed because it revealed how uninteresting and unsympathetic these characters are when put in contrived situations. I just stopped caring about whether they 'won' or not, and that isn't for any political reason either. Even got pretty close to rooting against them during the silly action scenes with the military. If nothing else, the interactions between the Rear Admiral and her Executive Officer were entertaining, maybe even kinda hot. All that being said, that 1-score review with the second most helpful votes is equally stupid. It's hard to believe a show this ineffective in its "propaganda" could make someone so angry. It shouldn't take much to get me to root for the guys that can provide the most pragmatic governance yet here I am not really finding the Abh all that interesting. I see one of the reviewers has described it as "Spice and Wolf in space," I guess it makes sense that I didn't like this. Gonna give the sequel a chance though (maybe). Also, liked the ED. |
syncrogazerSep 20, 2016 5:52 PM
| I enjoyed the first half, but the last arc was a pretty big downgrade from the first two arcs. The romantic subplot being forced along even more so at the end bugged me too. The world building was fairly good, so it's especially disappointing this didn't end on a strong note. Might give the sequels a go at a later date, especially if they build upon the strengths of the first two arcs, but I don't feel any need to watch them right after finishing the first season. I'm confused about one thing. Since Jinto's father was executed, does that mean he lost his nobility? If he did, why was he allowed to stay in the Empire? Because he and Lafiel are on good terms and because he's separated enough from his own father to be viewed as his own person? Maybe that gets explained later on, but I thought it was weird of them to mention his father's death, and then hardly say anything else. |
| Double episode. That whole amusement park thing was a bit silly with the rocket launchers and all. Land on planet... run around... blast off back to space... Get picked up by crazy lady... credits... 3 years later, happy ending. 5/10 (average) It wasn't particularly great or terrible. I think I would be pretty disappointed if I didn't already know there are other seasons to follow. |
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| A very quick 40 minutes! I loved it! Nobody else got choked up with the Jinto and Lafiel's second to last interaction with the cat? I really enjoyed the montage of them meeting and thought the writers did a great job fleshing out their relationship. The music was also fantastic. Really looking forward to the sequels. |
| After lackluster progress made by Jinto and Lafiel in the previous episode finale felt like a breath of fresh air. And it is double length too. Robot mascots in the amusement park remind me of Cowboy Bebop. But here while creepy they are much more hilarious, even campy. The horse was real MVP. P.S. Spoor is great as always. |
| Not the climactic ending I was expecting, but thankfully the whole journey was at least memorable. Lafiel was the main highlight of the series, and I'd go as far to say that she's one of the best female anime protagonists I've seen yet. Badass and beautiful in one package. |
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| It took 13 episodes, but they finally reached their destination. It was a fun journey. The main two are boring, but have great chemistry. Since we skipped his 3 years of schooling I'm hopeful the next 2 seasons will be more interesting. |
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| I liked this series a good bit, more than I thought I was going to. It has a classic, old-school feel to it. Decent animation and OST for something from 1999. I like Lafiel and Jinto is alright too. Most characters were interesting, even if some side ones lacked depth. But man...the action scenes were terrible, ESPECIALLY in this last episode. The army and police miss all of their shots, but of course this 16 year old can take down dozens all by herself and almost never misses. Yes, she's a royal Abh, a gentically modified genius alien. But if the Abh were capable of that by themselves, it begs the question why anyone would bother declaring war on them. And besides, that doesn't excuse the army firing their machine guns endlessly at a couple of kids and missing endlessly. Scoring this is difficult. It was going to be an 8/10 coming into this episode, but this ending really let me down. I'll decide later, either a 7/10 or an 8/10. Overall, I did enjoy this series. Underrated. We'll see what the sequels hold. |
BStrifeSword114Dec 8, 2020 12:18 PM
duhu1148 said: But man...the action scenes were terrible, ESPECIALLY in this last episode. The army and police miss all of their shots, but of course this 16 year old can take down dozens all by herself and almost never misses. Yes, she's a royal Abh, a gentically modified genius alien. But if the Abh were capable of that by themselves, it begs the question why anyone would bother declaring war on them. And besides, that doesn't excuse the army firing their machine guns endlessly at a couple of kids and missing endlessly. Indeed, with proper training any Abh is able to shoot like an aimbot. You would too if you had an astronavigation computer and a sonar built in your head in addition to fresh combat training course. The thing is - IIRC there are about 2 or 3 millions (maybe 20-30, my memory is hazy, but even this order of numbers is low enough) of genetic Abh. At the same time there are 900 billions of regulars on each side. Average abh ship has like 5-10 genetic Abh in total while being crewed by 100 people or so. Add in there that wars are not won by shooting blasters, they are won by taking control over space, especially in case of Abh with their policy of not touching the planets. This is why Abh shooting would not help them a lot despite them being rather effective at killing. OTOH the soldiers were ordered to take the Abh alive, so they'd be shooting not to hit, but to force them to lay low or corner them. |
Rastrelly said: No police or military employs this tactic for a reason. It's extremely dangerous, and there is a high possibility of an errant bullet hitting someone (such as the target).OTOH the soldiers were ordered to take the Abh alive, so they'd be shooting not to hit, but to force them to lay low or corner them. Also, I find it hard to believe that high tech non-lethal weapons don't exist in this sci-fi universe. They exist in ours, and that's what the military/police would be using if they were trying to take a target back alive. Actually, we saw earlier in the series that they do exist in some form- When Jinto was knocked out with that metal rod thing by the maid. |
duhu1148 said: Rastrelly said: No police or military employs this tactic for a reason. It's extremely dangerous, and there is a high possibility of an errant bullet hitting someone (such as the target).OTOH the soldiers were ordered to take the Abh alive, so they'd be shooting not to hit, but to force them to lay low or corner them. Also, I find it hard to believe that high tech non-lethal weapons don't exist in this sci-fi universe. They exist in ours, and that's what the military/police would be using if they were trying to take a target back alive. Actually, we saw earlier in the series that they do exist in some form- When Jinto was knocked out with that metal rod thing by the maid. In the novels police were employing paralyzer pistols almost exclusively. On the other hand, the military aren't usually trained to capture live game. Actual military involvement happened due to Kyte's attempts to redirect attention of military higher-ups towards the Kalsbul Liberation Front, and they were there to subdue those vicious terrorists hoarding weaponry. Add in that at that point tensions between the UM military and Klasbul population were at the breaking point, so soldiers were as triggerhappy as ever. Just note several facts on what was happening: 1) Squad commander was taken out, and chain of command probably needed some time to be restored, because... 2) All communications were shut by that point via nanite swarm 3) Actual firing distance in all shootouts was usually around 100 - 500 meters, which are not the best distance to fire at moving targets at night without special equipment 4) While UM army is professional, this is the first significant combat engagement of theirs in at least a century; the soldiers are more full of political eagerness than of actual combat readiness. This is additionally confirmed by lots of soldiers ending up robbed or beaten in the final hours of Clasbul occupation All in all, while what happened in the final chase was indeed an event that could happen only thanks to significant amounts of luck, it is not implausible in the slightest. Combination of inability to communicate, damage of command chain, improper training, internal struggles and hostility between factions and structures in action are more than enough to justify the chain of events. |
| I wonder how this show is considered a masterpiece by certain group of people, I thought it was average at best, animation was mediocre, the starting two episodes were weirdly fast paced but after that the shit get decent enough to be average, I didnt find the show bad but neither something special, the main couple had some charm tbh but I higly dislike romance, so that doesnt make the job for me. Also worth to mention what some people might call underlying facist propaganda in this anime, while is true that they depict Abh Empire in a better light than the Human Alliance, I thought the disparity was so obvious that it felt like clear fake propaganda, I think the narrator is an unreliable one and they dont hide it, I laughed asf in that story of the traveler that needed help, anyways if they are trying to portrait eugenics, monarchy, facism, imperialism and racism as a good choice, I wouldnt care that much neither, my own beliefs are strong enough to overcome any kind of propaganda, 5/10. |
Xenophon01 said: if they are trying to portrait eugenics, monarchy, facism, imperialism and racism as a good choice, I wouldnt care that much neither, my own beliefs are strong enough to overcome any kind of propaganda, 5/10. Let's look at definitions. Eugenics is a fringe set of beliefs and practices that aim to improve the genetic quality of a human population. Officially banned in the Empire. There's a large monologue on that from the Empress herself in the novels. Not that some Abh and non-Abh still didn't try anyway. Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. The Empire is a monarchy. It is highly decentralised. Opposition is not suppressed. There is no "natural social hierarchy", there's a wide system of "social lifts". The Empire is an empire, of course it's imperialistic. The only social groups that have direct limitations placed upon them are active military and nobles. Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another. The Empire does not segregate the Abh as a race and regular humans and provides them equal rights within imperial society. while is true that they depict Abh Empire in a better light than the Human Alliance, I thought the disparity was so obvious that it felt like clear fake propaganda I saw zero evidence of "unreliable narrator" present in the story, though it is clearly shown as a personal perspective of several characters. Sometimes reading between the lines is useful. For example, racist ideology towards the Abh is official in at the least the United Mankind. As for I wonder how this show is considered a masterpiece by certain group of people There is no "certain group of people" which considers CotS a masterpiece. Some people are politically motivated in their reception. Some, like you, have somehow decided that CotS is an imperialist manifesto and some, being far-right, love the series for that same perceived reason. Some people like the "romance" part of the series. Some flock to Abh society depicted as some kind of gay utopia. What it actually is - is one of he most detailed and well-constructed settings in the entirety of sci-fi. |
RastrellyNov 16, 2022 6:36 AM
| the army shoots like stormtroopers |
~Spiritual Healing~  |
robotical said: I'm confused about one thing. Since Jinto's father was executed, does that mean he lost his nobility? If he did, why was he allowed to stay in the Empire? Because he and Lafiel are on good terms and because he's separated enough from his own father to be viewed as his own person? Maybe that gets explained later on, but I thought it was weird of them to mention his father's death, and then hardly say anything else. Funny, my browser has decided to randomly throw this thread link to me out of browser cache, and I've kinda went a bit back and stumbled upon this comment. And I've understood some ways in which Seikai causes so much confusion among the viewers, and I really don't understand how one could miss things *this* obvious. So, sorry for sort of necroing, but I'll explain this point just as an example, more so as a logical chain rather than explanation in of itself. The Empress Ramaj informs Jinto that his father was executed. There are two questions to be asked: 1) Who executed his father? 2) Why was he executed? We find out that the planet Martine was conquered by the invading force of the Four (Three) Nations Alliance, and is now under control of the government lead by THE person who felt most betrayed by Rock Linns ascension to the rank of Imperial Count. We also find out that the Empress herself informs his son (Jinto) about this annexation, the fact of Rock Linn's execution, and the fact of Teal Clint being the new head of government on Martine. So, did 1) The Empire (1) execute Rock Linn for some reason (2) (not being able to hold the system or something? I literally cannot find the reason for the Empire to need to execute Rock) 2) The new Martinese government lead by the person who hates Rock the most (1) executes him as a traitor to Martinese people which he technically is (2)? The second question is - why would Jinto maintain his title. By the Imperial law he is Jarluk Dreu, i.e., the heir to a Count. When the Count dies, what happens in a feudal system? Count's heir inherits his title. Historically this would often happen *even if said Count would be just executed by the same government*. And I hope I've just shown that this is not the case for Rock Linn. So in reality, Jinto was infromed by the Empress that his homeworld was captured and that those in power there now have just killed his father, and the title is now his. Again, sorry for this sorta necro, but not only has this question not answered, but it is very telling it was even asked. |
| The episode being double the length was a nice surprise. Rest in Peace, white horse robot. I have no issues calling this anime a bonafide masterpiece, especially when I keep in mind that this is only the first installment of the series. If the sequels are remotely near the quality of Crest of the Stars, then I'd be delighted. |
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