Angelic layer -- Sports anime?
| I think it falls into the competition/games category easy enough. And it is not like Pokemon or Yugioh so the slippery slope thing is easily avoidable. In Pokemon, the trainer is more like a coach giving the player basic orders, but the pokemon has a mind of its own. It's like a basketball coach telling a player to draw a foul. The player will do it, but how he does it is up to him. In Angelic Layer, the doll had no mind of its own whatsoever and every single movement was controlled by the player. This is why I would compare AL to a game like Chess or Go since the pieces being moved have no mind of their own. |
| common logic dictates no |
BlackMagic said: I think it falls into the competition/games category easy enough. And it is not like Pokemon or Yugioh so the slippery slope thing is easily avoidable. In Pokemon, the trainer is more like a coach giving the player basic orders, but the pokemon has a mind of its own. It's like a basketball coach telling a player to draw a foul. The player will do it, but how he does it is up to him. In Angelic Layer, the doll had no mind of its own whatsoever and every single movement was controlled by the player. This is why I would compare AL to a game like Chess or Go since the pieces being moved have no mind of their own. But what about Yugioh? Those stupid card things don't have any mind/control of their own -- they're just pieces that act out various actions on a gigantic holographic board or something, right? (I never really followed Yugioh, I've just caught a few episodes on Saturday mornings way back in the day.) And as far the Pokemon argument goes... if the main character of a baseball anime was the coach instead of one of the players, we wouldn't consider it a sports anime even if the point of the show was training and practicing and competing? Aren't that kid and his animals just like a team? ...I don't know. I really don't see how you could draw a line between the two. After thinking about it some more, I would really definitely not consider AL a sports anime. (I would consider it to be a game anime however -- but that's probably not a recognized category.) And for the sake of consistency, I'd say that Hikaru no Go and Akagi aren't sports animes either. =/ |
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| i havent come to a decision on angelic layer yet, and im in no hurry (i like the talks about it), but i will say here and now that pokemon and yugioh and the like will not be added to the club regardless of the angelic decision. (note: not to say that pokemon and yugioh arent great in their own right.) actually, for now im not adding angelic layer, nor am i taking off any animes from the relations. this is subject to change with further discussion and bribes. =) |
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| I wouldn't consider Angelic Layer a sports anime, nor would I consider Akagi, Kaiji, or Hikaru no Go to be one. The pokemon reference was only meant to stand within the category of "games and competition anime" since I think it loses its meaning when taken out of that context. I only used a sport analogy since it seemed fitting lol. I don't know that much about Yugioh since I never watched it, but I've seen a great deal of Pokemon. Speaking only from the standpoint of "games" anime, in addition to the "mindless pieces" criteria, I would also add another one from the top of my head: The protagonist isn't responsible for saving any villages/cities/the world/etc. I was about to say that a person's skill is only used in pursuit on the game and not in outside endeavors, but gambling animes like Akagi, Kaiji, and Legendary Gambler Tetsuya make it a bit more difficult to determine where the game ends and reality begins. Though that seems to be something many real life gamblers have issues with as well ^_^ |
| I'm not sure what you mean about changing the game vs changing the plot. A show that comes to mind would be Kaiji; there were multiple gambling competitions such as restricted rock/paper/scissors, E-card, and drawing lots, but the overall plot remained constant. If that's the kind of game changing within a consistent plot you are thinking of, then unfortunately Pokemon can do it too. While the Kanto League battling system is more like a real battle, the Orange League (or Johto League..I forget) changed the competition from a battle to a skills competition with a variety of events. There is also a focus during the Frontier saga on the Coordinator competitions which change up the style yet again. All the ambiguity that comes up when trying to classify all this makes me agree with lowell. If the club is going to change its parameters, I would be inclined to narrow the focus more toward sports animes and away from games/competition. If you really wanted to, even if you go Physical Sports Only with the relations, you can always add a spoiler in the club description of "Honorable Mention" shows such as Hikaru no Go. While not being sports per se, most sports anime fans would likely enjoy them. This would clean up the relations lists in short order and probably diffuse a lot of the confusion. You could always hold votes to see if shows are worth "Honorable Mention" as well. |
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