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| "Of course I did not say that. I instead chose a strategic withdrawal." Made me burst out laughing. Coming back to the subject, this episode had som many interesting developments and was so fantastic from an artistic point of view that it was close to pure genius. In fact, the whole second part of the episode where the narrator's pondering his existence and the sense of his campus life after his last meeting with Higushi was simply breathtaking in terms of writing and direction. |
 In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
| My goodness. This show is intelligent, breath-taking, and something I'm going to have to watch at least three times to really get. Most of the main developments in this episode have already been pointed out and analyzed (over-analyzed, sweet Jesus, the precision!), but the thing that stuck out to me was the development between Akashi and Watashi. It's been (oh, so heavily) hinted that they need to get together in some way in every episode, but we've never gotten a clear confirmation of Watashi's feelings for Akashi before. They've always been a few points up from indifference. Watashi has also never been so clearly rejected/reprimanded/disapproved of/BITCH SLAPPED by Akashi before either. After, when he said, "But why does my heart ache?" (not verbatim, it's not like I took notes), I thought, "Ah, the cat's outta the bag. Hot damn." That was where I wanted the development, and that was where I got it. This was a great episode. |
lostinabook said: In episode seven, we see Ozu's human face in a scene that Watashi isn't involved in, so no, Ozu is human and he exists outside of Watashi's subconscious. Ya that is what i think also,that is why i am a bit hesitate to say such.During episode 7,Watashi has made decision to love and his mind must has been disrupted . But i always has the question in my mind " Who is Ozu,?? "If he exist in reality ,why he always appear near Watashi every episode? ...maybe its just pure coincidence....won't hurt if I take a guess LOL |
physics223 said: DrRoboto said: My goodness. This show is intelligent, breath-taking, and something I'm going to have to watch at least three times to really get. Most of the main developments in this episode have already been pointed out and analyzed (over-analyzed, sweet Jesus, the precision!), but the thing that stuck out to me was the development between Akashi and Watashi. It's been (oh, so heavily) hinted that they need to get together in some way in every episode, but we've never gotten a clear confirmation of Watashi's feelings for Akashi before. They've always been a few points up from indifference. Watashi has also never been so clearly rejected/reprimanded/disapproved of/BITCH SLAPPED by Akashi before either. After, when he said, "But why does my heart ache?" (not verbatim, it's not like I took notes), I thought, "Ah, the cat's outta the bag. Hot damn." That was where I wanted the development, and that was where I got it. This was a great episode. Do you remember what Watashi asked of Ozu in his incomplete, final film in the second episode? He asks him (her): 'Omae wa itsumo watashi ni tsukimatotte kureru ne [said in such a somber and serious tone] (Why do you always haunt me so?)' Ozu (the girl) replies: 'It's how I show my love.' I think it applies all too well with Akashi and Watashi. Akashi's slap haunts him despite his wealth and 'popularity.' Didn't he say that in the end of the first episode also, right before he was shoved into the river? I seem to remember something along those lines. It's so true with Akashi and Watashi, though. I can't wait to see it when he finally gets slapped in the face with the truth (he already was a little bit though, I suppose). |
| Tatami galaxy is a very unique to my taste of anime, but it does offer a different experience-cant wait to see what happens |
 Behold of my awesomeness~ controversial and/or sensitive topics likely devolve into the same repetitive, derogatory, abusive, and harassing comments can no longer be posted. But my feels. |
| Waaaah, it's ending in two episodes! Though the way it's been planned out, I think we'll be in for a satisfying conclusion. |
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| This episode was great. I can't wait to see the rest, though I would rather it not end. |
DrIdiot said: After I finish this episode,I felt like that he just doesn't have a good start of "rose colored life"."life is bitter sweet"....he only starting to taste the bitter and he give up immediately and start doing with a completely different path.....( I am also the same =P )I mean, the whole point of the episode is that his "rose colored life" was an unattainable ideal, but that doesn't mean happiness is unattainable. maybe this is the moral of the story. |
| @DrIdiot ( doctor Idiot who cures idiot ?? LOL ) Somehow a bit similar to my comment but its more detailed 0.0 ...I am not used to writing detail stuff anyway. "there is no such thing as a rose colored life, because life has many colors"this quote is similar to " The world is ugly that is why its beautiful" from Kino's journey An even more shorter quote is "life is bitter sweet" |
| I wasn't sure how Yuasa was going get to this point, but after watching this episode 9 it has become pretty clear that everything that has happened to this point has only happened to force Watashi realize that Akashi is the key to his happiness.(We've known this from the first episode) The fortune teller continues to tell him to seize the opportunity hanging in front of him, which has always been Akashi's tamgachi on his light fixture as a representation of his realization that she is the answer, however as already mentioned his obsession with obtaining perfection or a Rose colored campus life is pointless and an actual distraction from his true path to happiness. Basically I'm in agreement with Dr.Roboto and Quarkboy, can't really add much more other than restating what's already been said. I'm just wondering if Yuasa is going to give us an episode seeing things through Akashi's story next episode or save that for the last episode to tie everything together. It seems logical since Ozu has pretty much served his purpose in helping Watashi realize the farce of the Rose Color life and love really being the most important aspect of obtaining happiness. |
| @physics223 isn't it the same thing ... It seem that when I try to summaries the Master quote,you 2 try to clarified it.Well at least the forum is moving. Here my turn to clarified one last point, Since our live can't be rewind just like in Anime,I think the director trying to show us that even rewinding our live, it won't do any changes.I think Watashi's past memory doesn't really help Watashi at all in obtaining his ideal rose-colored life....dot dot dot my opinion ^^ Well, Thank you DrIdiot and physics223 for clarifying it.but actually its DrIdiot who first mention it and I am just trying to link it with other famous quote. |
MorningGloryJun 20, 2010 6:08 AM
| Another great episode. Visually STUNNING. I'll leave my interpretation of the story so far to myself, I hate over analysis.. But some very interesting points, I enjoy reading your ideas. I will certainly be trying to get my hands on the original novel. It will be interesting to see how this story feels when there are words alone. But I really enjoy this interpretation, even if I haven't read the source material. Two more to go! |
| 頭脳は子供、見た目は大人！ ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ |
physics223 said: @Pheefa If anything's to be known Yuasa deviated much from the novel's flow. The novel is quite distant from the anime, Quarkboy told me that. He's made the series his baby. I wouldn't say it deviates from the novel's flow, rather it deviates from the novel's way of constructing the story. Basically the flow (different universes being played out) is the same, we just get fundamentally different stories and have a basically very different atmosphere. While the novel has a rather ethereal, fairy tale like structure and is a bit more nostalgic and almost sad in undertone, the anime is very energetic and fast. They both have their own points...right now I would almost say that the anime is much more direct about what it wants to get across. |
Waiting for: God Eater (PSP) 私が、探偵だからよ。 |
| I know the novel will have a different atmosphere, which is why I want to read it. I will have to read it for myself to actually be able to get a feel for it. So thanks for your points, but I'd rather decide for myself =3 The point is that this anime is an interpretation, and I'd like to read the novel so I can try to understand where the anime came from, and if I would interpret it differently. Personally, my favourite aspect of this anime is actually the visual aspect, rather than the flow of the story (which is still superb) And the brilliant voice acting, of course. It would be great if the novel is translated, I doubt it will though =[ I will have to make do with the Japanese. |
| 頭脳は子供、見た目は大人！ ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ |
| I sure hope Yuasa comes up with something else someday...... Like a mecha anime :P (look, he's done his horror, his romance, and now his romcom/slice-of-life. I'd like to see him give it a try) |
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| I'm not sure I'd call Kemonozume "horror", and I personally think it had more romance than Kaiba (which I'm assuming you're referring to as "romance"). What I love about Yuasa's shows is that there's a little bit of everything. He doesn't seem content to confine his story within one specific genre. He has a vision for the show and he makes sure it gets done. That has always impressed me. As far as this episode, it was, of course, fantastic. Seeing Watashi react upon finding out that Ozu hadn't been simply wasting his time in college sure was interesting. Maybe it'll lead him to eventually seizing that opportunity that is hanging right in front of him... |
Pheefa said: It would be great if the novel is translated, I doubt it will though =[ I will have to make do with the Japanese. Ah well...who knows. After I found out that Kemono no Sousha, the source novels of Kûchû Buranko and the first Guin Saga novels got translated into German...and the source novel for Loups=Garous which is going to be released this year was translated to English...I'm surprised by nothing anymore. |
| Waiting for: God Eater (PSP) 私が、探偵だからよ。 |
physics223 said: How perceptions rapidly change! We've thought of Higuchi before as just a bad apple, but he's the one who's actually told Watashi what he needed to hear this episode. Once a pest, he has modified his role as some sort of foil. Here is the extended take of mine. The fact that the development of every character involved is based on our own misconceptions about them is one of my favourite things about this show. Postmodernism is all about this. Gotta give it another read to that. About the episode itself, it was delightfully painful, as always. Now the mystery of "who was THAT at the end of episode 5" is pretty much solved. The Watashi of ep 10 won't join any clubs and he'll become a hikkikomori. At some point he'll probably try to escape, only to find himself in the same room over and over again. Awesome. |
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| Woooo I'm confused after watching this episode and even more confused after reading the different theories you guys have! |
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| I love your guys hypothesis. I see it this way: Ozu who is much uglier and awkward looking than Watashi who is relatively normal looking has enjoyed a life much greater than Watashi. I'm getting the feeling Masaaki is giving us a hint to stop trying to be socially awkward. |
| I notice some details in this episode are changed slightly, more interesting because of the bad ending.. |
| I love this show. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Great episode. Like what others said, it basically shows how unsatisfied with his current life Watashi is. And Higuchi's speech indeed will put up Watashi's character development. Also, no time reset this time. I think this is getting nearer for a solid wrapping up next episodes. |
| Awesome episode, nearly makes up for the past episodes about the doll/johnny/other girls (didn't like that at all xD). |
| Great episode - like I had hoped, we get some more insight into Ozu's character here which is something I appreciated. Also, I like how they are bringing together all these different elements from the various storylines to make a cohesive picture of what is going on. It appears that these alternate universes have a lot more commonalities than I had originally thought. |
| Master has finally shown to be a master to Watashi: the speech about possibilities was really well-spoken. 'Nothing is rose-colored in this world. Everything is a bunch of colors mixed up.' - best caption of this episode. The whole organization seems hilarious, plus the way its leader lost his whole power and Ozu gave it Watashi. I'm starting to think that this is going to end in a completely mind-blowing way. |
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videoflesh said: That was incredible. I think I'm going to have to watch it again before I can sort out all my thoughts on it, haha. On a basic level, though, I was really pleased with the character development in this one- Aijima /intentionally/ playing the idiot for Jougasaki, Ozu being a lovesick fool at heart, and the master being given a more serious treatment. I agree, the character development in this episode was great. |
| Fabulous episode.. wow. I can't get over how everything fits together in every timeline. I have a feeling that I'll be revisiting this episode in particular many times in the future. Master Higuchi's speech was my favorite part, but there's so many revelations in this episode, too. For a while I was convinced that Ozu was really in love with Akashi, and would turn out to be Watashi's rival, but now I see he's not. I'm surprised and confused though.. because the Honkawa girl really looked like Keiko-chan, and not whatever the Honkawa girl was shown to be in the past. Anyway.. can't believe it's almost the end. |
| Parts of some old chapters combined in this one... well I'm really wondering what they have to offer for closure in the next 2 episodes! |
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| excellent episode :D if you have the money you can have all the things you want, but it'll never satisfy you as a whole person. shame Watashi is still stupid to realize what he has done, i feel sorry for Akashi :( you deserve that slap bastard! wow Ozu actually has a girlfriend O___O and it's Keiko-san! i also love Higuchi's speech. there is definitely no such thing as a rose colored world only a bunch of mixed colored ones thrown together. i think it's pretty good of Higuchi to mention that you be anyone that you want, but if keep pressing on unrealistic goals you'll never achieve anything that you want. and tbh why does he want a rose colored life anyway? i mean isn't spending time with his close friends(Hanuki, Akashi, Jougasaki) enough? he's just making it worse each time he expects something magically to happen. i wonder if Watashi will end up with Akashi or stay lonely for the rest of his life? also why the hell he hasn't given the white Mochigumon? oh man i just remembered on how Akashi mentioned here where she always loses the Mochigumon, but yet it always comes back whenever she's not searching for it. it could be Mochigumon is Watashi and she keeps losing it because Watashi keeps drifting away in every episodes. also it's colored White, i bet at the end she may say it's her favorite Mochigumon(doubtful though) and why is Akashi scared of moths :P last two episodes :( |
| damn no rewind this time? seems he has learned the most in this timeline, but is also in the worst position as he became the bad guy this time and even stole Akashi's Birdman thing. Didnt even seem to have any tender moments with Akashi this time around. why cant this guy grab the chance thats so obvious right there! |
| Slaine did nothing wrong. |
| Really interesting episode. I'm still not sure I understand everything in the series, but the story is getting more and more interesting, and it's not just rote exposition like most series, either, the storytelling is done wonderfully, despite being complex. I really enjoyed the monologue by the master after he returned the book, really powerful stuff. Two more episodes to go. I hope the finale is as good as it's shaping up to be. |
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| no time rewind this time, eh? I hope it will be explained why they occurred in the first place.. |
| Holy Ozu had a girlfriend!? No reset this time. Expecting a lot in the last two episodes. |
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| Wow Ozu is beyond devious in this episode Loved all of the references to earlier episodes. |
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