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| I think cousin-cousin relationship is wrong. But I don't mind the ending because I really disliked Kiri. |
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| DID THIS GUY SERIOUSLY PICK A 15 YEAR OLD RELATIVE!!!!! this just failed on so many ways im a harem enthusiast and this is the first time ive been pissed off about an ending i would rather him end up alone someone go school days on his a**. Screw this anime... |
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| Gahhh! >.< I wasted my time watching this anime for an ending like that! I hate it! It disgusts me to see them end up like that! Sickening! I like Kiri to end up with Hiroki because.. come on, hiroki has feelings for Kiri all throughout the episode series and what a drastic turn of events to fall in love with Elis just like that.. didn't he mistake it has brotherly love?! >.< Kiri is kinda cool at the first half of the series... but then she became an inconsiderate and insecure woman at the last 3 episodes.. Different from her usual self! The first 23 episodes were pretty nice and was planning to change the score from 7 to 9, then that ending just blew away my expectations literally...down to 6/10... It was saved because of the paintings! XP |
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| Hah hah, so all the people who actually liked this series hated the ending! And here I am, the guy who hated the series and then liked the ending (sort of). Seriously, after a completely and utterly predictable 23 episodes, a little surprise doesn't hurt! He did show a few signs of liking Elis throughout the show actually, it's not completely out of nowhere like you guys seem to think. But it was still hinting more strongly towards Kiri, perhaps just to throw us off? Anyways, not like it matters, this was still a 4/10 in my book. For the most part completely average, and then subtract one point for obnoxious whiny characters with contrived emotional problems. |
| “Money can't buy dere” |
| OMG What's with the ending scene where they both were naked covered by a blanket? Hiroki you can't do her when she was just.. 15.. maybe? Come on, try to be a little patient there! Though I like both Hiroki and Elis painting combine together, I hate the ending scene! 6/10 (Ending ruined it for me, even though I am Hiroki x Elis supporter, need at least another episode to elaborate more on the ending) |
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| I just finish playing the Visual Novel, and planning to watch the anime. I'm not very surprised to see that Hiroki choose Elis in the end since she's the main heroine in the VN, but seriously I hope the anime would adapt the Kiri ending. And now, I decide to drop this anime before I even started |
| Very satisfying ending, at first I wanted this to end with a Hiroki x Kiri ending but about half way through the series she just started to annoy the hell out of me for some reason so I'm glad they went with the Hiroki x Elis pairing. But wow I didn't expect that last scene after the credits at all!!! I loved it so much that I raised the score of this show from a 7/10 to an 8/10. Other anime's need to learn from that ending... now that's how you freaking end a romance anime people, they both were able to finally do what they could not do before (paint red for Elis and start painting again for Hiroki), so they were able to fulfill each others dreams together and of course what a better way to show the audience that they are together than with scene with them naked on a bed under some sheets? Plus the kiss to seal everything was just the topping on the cake! For some reason I didn't mind the incest in this one, and wait was she underage ? You know what I don't care, its an anime and they were both freaking happy in the end...I do however feel sorry for kiri since she got stood up so many times by Hiroki through the series but I still feel like Elis deserved him more in the end. |
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| I don't mind incest. On the contrary. But damn this ending was absolutely crap. Loltweest at the last episode. Well done. And why was it necessary to kill off Tomoko? This doesn't even make sense... |
| is there more to this anime in the manga? the ending i watched in the anime is screaming 'this is not the real ending' |
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| I thought I was watching an anime centered around Hiroki and Kiri. Then at the last episode, HirokixElis. Damn they set me up. |
| Alright time for my thoughts on the subject, having been confident in my prediction abilities i predicted from episode 1 that hiroki would end up with kiri, I read through all the visual novel routes and was pretty confident kiri would be the ending girl, the fact that the anime practically screamed romantic development between hiroki and kiri for 23 episodes only served to reinforce my prediction, and then.. Episode 24 came, out of nowhere it seems hiroki's emotions did a complete 180 and suddenly he falls for elis, I was shocked to say the least, for me it was completely unexpected, what should have happened is he gave the painting to her then seen her off to paris since she would have finally seen him draw, and then he would go back with kiri. Also i don't know why they bothered to add in tomoko's line of "Good-bye hospital onii-chan" the reason why she says this is you learn alot about her and hiroko's background in the visual novel truth be told tomoko's route was probably my favorite one. It's a shame they didn't consider giving her more character development. (on a side note if i didn't watch the credits all the way through i would have freaked out thinking they killed her off. Glad that didn't happen.) Last but not least, the supporting cast aside from tomoko (especially sumire and takeuchi near the ending) seemed to irritate the hell out of me, which is really odd considering all of their routes were fairly good in my opinion, Hagino was pretty hilarious in some parts though. In terms of Visual Novels i was pretty excited to see this one get an anime adaptation, even a manga one (haven't read it yet but i might later) however with that ending, i wasn't able to enjoy this anime like i thought i was going to be able to. So overall i'll end up giving it a 6 or a 6.5 for that horrible twist of an ending. this makes me feel like re-playing the visual novel. |
ReverentStigmaOct 13, 2012 4:33 AM
"Even if the morrow is barren of promises... nothing shall forestall my return!"  |
YagokoroEirin said: Elis Suck,Selfish Bitch. This. The most annoying and needless character in the show ends with the main character. W-T-F? |
| sighh incest... but then Kiri who..uhhhh idk this is confusing i don't even know which to pick lol i rather have them not be in a relationship. happy ending :P |
| Wha That ending!! Loved the "No more sensei" :D |
| Lol. I was about to yell when the credits hit. I hate open ended endings. At least they concluded it in the credits with some clips. The angel painting was good. I thought they were going to have Hiroki create a painting of Elis. I liked the ending. I knew it was going to end at the airport. I just thought that Elis would be leaving to Paris, and he'd be regretting his choice. |
AnimatronixApr 9, 2013 12:08 PM
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| This show made me realize how everyone even i changes overtime. 1st time I saw it was few years ago and i was quite happy with how it ended but now it feels wrong and bit irritating. Sent with Mal Updater |
( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
| I'm not really OK with this whole cousin incest, but looking back it was pretty clear that Hiroki only had feelings for Elis. He felt nothing, NOTHING during his time with Kiri. The blush after they woke up was the only instance I remember where the guy gave any indication that he might feel something for her. So yeah, Elis was definitely the right call, but I'm not comfortable with the fact that she is her cousin or that he's at least six years older than her. |
| So yeah, sorry for necro-ing this thread, but since the last few replies were also dated July 2013, I decided to register and add my opinion in as well. Okay, so, first. Marrying your first cousin's legal and socially accepted in Japan. Second.. That. Ending. Was. -.-'' The dude was like, meh to the blondie the whole time, then at the last, 3, 4 episodes? He was attracted to his childhood friend since, uh, way back. Suddenly his emotions are all over the place, then he got his eyes on blondie. Like a terribly placed deus-ex-machina. Crammed, even though it's a 24 ep series. My 2 cents. |
HappySchizo_Jul 24, 2013 4:31 AM
| No.. Not yet. |
| I don't like how Hiroki suddenly decides to change girls in the last episode but I guess I saw it coming. The whole time they were hinting an Elis ending. I just wish he didn't lead on Kiri like that only to crush her hopes a second time. I'm glad that this series had a definite ending (chose a girl) at least. |
~ El Psy Congroo~  |
| I really don't get why they tried to make Tomoko-chan look like she died at the end ._. |
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| I ended up playing the visual novel, I went for Ellis route first so I can save the others for later, Kiri and Tomoko's routes were far better. |
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| 75 % of the story was all about Elis, and I rooted for her. Marriage of cousins is common in Japan. Kiri is just too plain and looks average. But still it was unexpected that Hiroki chose her, it never hinted that he has a romantic feelings towards her. He only blushed in hospital bed scene and that's it. |
blessofcurseDec 16, 2014 5:10 PM
| well damn, I watched most of this series with 3/4th attention but still pretty decent. Seriously thought Tomoko died on the plane or something until I let the credits roll a bit. Waited the entire series for that incestual moment and it delivered. notbad.jpeg |
YagokoroEirin said: Elis Suck,Selfish Bitch. <3 This |
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| I was really satisfied that Elis and his cousin got to hook up; she really loved him and at times it was painful to watch how sad she was when he had rejected her. One thing that could have made the ending a lot better, was to develop a little bit further between the part at the airport and the final scene in France. |
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| Satisfying ending. Really good series. Beautiful art and animation. Great soundtrack ND OP/ED songs. I really miss series like this nowadays. 8/10 |
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| lolwut that ending, and I also thought Tomoko chan died because of not taking her pills??? DID THEY F**K at the end??? |
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| What a horrible ending jesus. Elis became straight insufferable towards the latter half. Is this based off a vn? Poor kiri jesus christ. Shit show all around |
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| Felt bad for Kiri, because she had always loved Hiroki. But no objections with the ending. |
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| Ah, the longevity of the Otaku world... I am definitely surprised by so many of these angry, disappointed posts. You people all sound like my Grandparents or something.... Cousins!! Incest!! Disgraceful!! I have more to say to you in the paragraph after the next - you know you want to hear it, you backwards geriatrics! I'm just kidding. No real offense intended there. Sometimes ya can't help the way you feel, I know. ** SPOILERS for Canvas2 Visual Novel ** SPOICLERS SPOILERS **** Lot of disappointed people at the end there. I just finished the VN and had watched some of the anime but had not completed them ... The VN - although a different medium, and like all of this stuff, is a matter of taste -- the Anime did have a pretty decent look to it.. However - even with so many "episodes", the VN is much longer than that, and really allows one to "get to know" each of the characters to a much greater extent. As far as Yanagi - the writer (I don't recall how many were involved - for so many routes, it seems likely there'd be a few but ... don't know for sure) anyway - the writer messed up with Yanagi and Hiroki, and even Kiri, when it comes to that. What he did - unforgivable - I don't care who you are, Mother Theresa would kick you in the face. And yeah - to feel SOOO BAAD... in one moment, and then turn to the girl you love and propose to her... well - that was the VN, so - apologies if that didn't happen in the anime. I almost dropped the VN because Yanagi gets Kiri if you don't go for her route... he needs a f***ing karma bomb to explode on his head, not to get the girl. Writers ROYALLY SCREWED THAT ASPECT OF WRITING... totally some B.S. altruistic fantasy garbage - "Hey kids -steal your best friend's best work and life-long dream, and pass it off as your own - it PAYS BIG-TIME!!! And Kiri - not just being disgusted by it, letting it slide and even going with him (in other routes) - made me REALLY want to punch that writer. Next time I'm in Japan... yep. Gotta find that person. Of course, if it's a girl, I'll have to settle for sternly scolding her. OK Cousins marrying - you're insulting a LOT of people in this world with your stern judgments and aspersions cast. On the subject of children - I have a brother with a genetics degree, spoke about it at length, then went online and got a better understanding from some Scientific Pubs and such on genealogy. Even siblings can have a child and the likelihood of there being disabilities or ANY issues is SMALL... The ISSUE with incest is NOT about a single-pairing. It is about successive pairings over several generations - such as in Royal bloodlines of old... dynasties and such.. A single incidence does reduce some of the genetic protections that a random pairing benefits from - but statistically, the increase in likelihood of problems _with that one pairing having offspring_ is not great. Unless there was already a significant incidence of in-breeding in the sibling's lineage. Don't take my word for it - go read about it yourself. The myth surrounding incest is just that - myth. Evolution does a pretty good job of removing "those" feelings from typical sibling relationships - as most of us are aware. Just like you close-minded types, the idea of hooking up with one of my sisters is ... unthinkable. May as well put me with a 100 yr old woman or ... hell, a dude. Which is just to say - totally not happening. BUT... if two people - people I knew or did not know - somehow managed to actually fall in love - feel the way that I have (like for at least a few of my girlfriends - past or present) - well, I DO NOT ENVY THEM. It's a social stigma almost everywhere - now cousins, eh... not so much. there's still quite a bit of diversity with the other two parents, plus the fact that there is no SAME parent, which is quite different from a sibling genetically (i.e. no chance of matching on a DNA test, for sure, even if they are TWINS)... well - like I said - I wouldn't envy them. It's not always just about the sex (and I am sure it wasn't in Hiroki's case with Elis - their relationship - in the VN anyway - was pretty deep... but regardless - to have a romantic love "in your heart" - it's not easy to put aside, now is it? IRL I mean. Now - I understand folks getting all "Rush Limbaugh" (conservative) about siblings. But not cousins. Nope. As has already been said - it's legal and socially accepted in Japan (these originated in Japan - you probably got that from the names, right? Just messin' with you) So -- try to relax, you'll probably live longer ;-) Admittedly, I probably lean toward Kiri a little bit, but Ellis is right up there too [from the VN though.. not this anime. Heck - surprisingly, in the VN I liked almost all of the heroines. There _were_ a lot of them - I think for my VN experience the most I've encountered, though I know there are VNs with even more. Anyway - it's really difficult to not pick Kiri, honestly At the same time, it is a little painful to reject Ellis as well. The VN does a far better than typical job of fleshing most of the characters out - and especially Ellis and Kiri. I do recommend the VN for people who liked this anime title. Unless you just hate the medium, it is a welcome surprise in it's characterizations - aside from the - that was just awful all around... Since I didn't see the whole series, I can't claim that I would have liked the ending - but... I know I wouldn't have been screaming at the TV like so many people on MAL seem to have been doing. Incidentally, 16 yr old girls (she was 16 at the end) can legally get married in Japan. BUT... there are issues, depending on the prefecture (~state) for >20 male and <20 female unless Parent's of girl agree (he's her guardian, and I guess it's ok with him, so... lol.. don't know, seriously, what happens). Perhaps it's a crime - one easily avoided for the powerful and rich, of course... guess it's good they wound up in France. For the other girls, if their parents get cool with it, it can be permitted. Well - make friends with the parents boys.... |
aprilia1kFeb 5, 2022 1:04 AM
| I felt this ending was pretty obvious, and it was hard to obscure behind the traumas Hiroki and Elis (Eris = discord haha get it) were going on about for the longest time. In the end Hiroki and Elis are finally 'true to themselves' by going against everything their peers had been instructing them to do (Paris/becoming a teacher). There are a lot of anime stories like this where the catharsis comes from characters doing what is unexpected, risky or impulsive. So I'm not really surprised, and unlike what others say I thought it built up to it in typical dramatic fashion. The 'incest' doesn't bother me. The character writing in this was actually pretty decent, and it really stood out to me in the last 4 episodes, especially when Kiri and Elis were talking right before the accident. Hiroki was always this two-faced kind of guy so I think Kiri is better off to be honest (and maybe that's sort of the point, two damaged people lick each others wounds in an unhealthy relationship). To want him to get with Kiri is a big time misunderstanding of the kind of story this is. Not a bad drama I guess but it's been a while since I've watched an anime like this. And I can't believe Tomoko is fucking dead. |
syncrogazerApr 18, 2019 7:02 PM
| No matter how I look it was a forced and wrong ending, made me wonder "what am I doing in my life". |
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