| Yeah i can see why people would hate these OVAS since they're totally out of character not related ot the manga blaah blah blah but for me this was the first time I CRIED in front of my computer...like i was BAWLING it was so sadd :( i loved it soo muchh - but i respect and completely understand why/how people could hate it Yonatay said: Saddest ending ever, don't think I've cried so much at anime. :'( ^^me tooo |
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| So in the end Kenshin breaks his "never kill again" vow with infecting Kaoru? LOL |
| loved this OVA and the feel of it but it seems like there is something wrong with it. im giving this anime a 10/10 but for some reason i dont consider this a sequel to the TV series! |
Parsalian27 said: One of the worst butchering of a manga I have seen. The revenge arc was amazingly good in the manga, on par, if not better than the Kyoto arc, but this OAV ruined it entirely. Enishi, just some crazed maniac??? The 6 comrades aren't even mentioned??? Kenshin Dies??? Really...WTF. I am glad Nobuhiro Watsuki (the author or Rurouni Kenshin) disowned this crap. I haven't seen the manga ending yet but your opinion is really rational because this 90 minutes of Rurouni Kenshin is the MOST depressive and unhappy ending I have ever seen. (honestly) Starting in the day when his three...umm lets say it mothers, died for his sake, a life with eternal pain and suffering started within him. Then the bakumatsu days... Tomoe's love and betrayal...10 years of wandering around... The suffering he had was really ENOUGH my dear producers, let him feel happiness at least when Tomoe's brother has forgiven him. I would really like to see him happy, and to see that his atonement was completed...when he was alive of course. Okay, i must admit that i liked the flashbacks but this kinda ending is tooo much gloomy for me to handle. What can i say... rest in peace Himura Kenshin... I wish you hadn't given up the sword that protects the weak, even if you couldn't wield it anymore. Cheers. not "DESPAIRS!".. yes actually this is the feeling that this OVA granted me: DESPAIRS TO ALL OF YOU WHO LOVES HIMURA KENSHIN! SEE? SEE THAT? HE IS DEAD ALTHOUGHT HE IS THE MOST KIND HUMAN IN THE WORLD!!! |
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| Like all of you I found this incredibly depressing - perhaps the most depressing anime I've ever seen. I wish I hadn't seen it.. My problem was that I got way too attatched to the Kenshin in the series - and they totally portrayed him in a way that I felt was unrealistic to that. Gaaaahh even thinking about it upsets me. |
| haha me 10 score My sister is crying T_T..... until now hahaha.. kidding.. T_T |
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| I thought it was a sad ending and it was executed well. HOWEVER, I don't think the Kenshin portrayed in this OVA was the same Kenshin portrayed in the original anime, which makes me a bit disappointed. He really cared for people's lives and he was a natural wanderer by heart, but I still don't think he would have left his family like that, especially knowing he had such a deadly disease and I don't think he would have agreed to let Kaoru contract it as well. It's still a good OVA, if I had watched this without watching the anime, but because I watched the anime long before, I can't accept the ending happily. I would have liked it more if it were a happy ending instead. |
| it was "so-so". i like its music a lot but the reason why i was sad while watching was just how pitiful they made kenshin look..the scar faded was stereotype but hey! if it didnt fade this would ve been a sad ending:P as a yaoi fan i like the sanoxkenshin scenes too:P other than that it is obvious that they made this ova just to sell it older people and made them feel they are mature enough to be enjoying tragedy danz said: HEH!So in the end Kenshin breaks his "never kill again" vow with infecting Kaoru? LOL |
| I enjoy the ending but I don't think this should be a sequel to the series. "ALTERNATIVE SEQUEL" would be more suitable. Otherwise it butchers the true story of Kenshin. |
| Very sad ending and very different from tv season. I somehow hopped for happy ending. But this was best recap/ recollection anime i've ever seen. I wonder if manga went this way too, ... |
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| Huh too much hate for these OVAs. It was pretty sad but personally I liked it a lot. 10/10 |
| 10/10! i like it better than tsukiohen.. gahhh! I don't know how good was the manga,. but i liked this Ova. It really made me cry.. gahhh! ~ I really like Kaoru! :'( Atleast, in the end, Kenshin got his freedom with kaoru.. guess that's the happy ending part? *sigh! Still, its really sad yet beautiful at the same time. :DDDD Viva, Samurai X : Seisouhen! :D |
| Epic ending. Like always w.e we do our next generation will carry on. Never die without an smile. |
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danz said: So in the end Kenshin breaks his "never kill again" vow with infecting Kaoru? LOL I think there are certain circumtance that made Kenshin have to kill again, just like when he tried to kill Jinei. but I believe Kenshin do his best. Kenshin isnt intentionally want to infect Kaoru with his disease, but Kaoru herself that want to share Kenshin's burden with her. Kaoru also do her best as Kenshin's wife. in the end, this OVA was so sad that make me shed much tears. |
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| I haven't read the manga, so I can't compare them, but I really enjoyed this OVA. I understand quite a few of the players here were out of character compared to the TV series and manga, but I didn't dislike the difference. When watching the series, I couldn't see someone with Kenshin's past falling into a happy ending. He'd gone too deep for too long, and his guilt and sense of justice would have never let him rest. For me this OVA had a heavy reality to it that resonated with Tsuiokuhen and maintained the progression of Kenshin's character... and, however brutal it was, brought closure. |
| Definitely consider this to be quite underrated by the Kenshin fans. I first watched this before I read the manga, and I thought it was a great ending, despite me already knowing that it was non-canon and that the author hated it. Yes, the manga ending is better, no doubt. But this ending will never be bad in my opinion. I mean, nothing wrong with it being bittersweet. It fits perfectly together with the style of the previous OVA, Tsuioku Hen, because that's what it is; a sequel of the OVA, not the TV series. Read the manga, Tsuioku Hen and the chapters it adapted are extremely different in tone. The chapters had a dark tone compared to the rest of the manga, but not anywhere near the OVA. Hell, even the way Kenshin got his second scar to complete the cross was a bit different to how he got it in the manga. Everything in both OVAs has been made darker and edgier, a more realistic version. And in that sense, this ending fits perfectly and is a very good closure to Kenshin himself, once again, in terms of the OVAs. Anyway, I hope the fans don't rate this low because of the bittersweet ending and because of the author disapproving this ending. It really is beautiful, not as beautiful as Tsuioku Hen, but beautiful nonetheless, and very well executed. |
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| This... This punched me right in the feels. |
| i remembered when i watched this, maybe 6 years ago.. totally put me in depressed mood. i'm not saying that this OVA is bad.. it's actually pretty good, but i don't think i can watch this again.. =_= |
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| My God, this was the hardest hour and a half I've ever spent watching an anime. I do think a lot of Kenshin fans grossly overreact to the "OOC" elements of this anime, whining about "that's not what Kenshin and Kaoru are like." Listen, we're all human beings. We all have our fleeting moments of happiness, of joy. The focus of this was to bring forward the sadness and suffering they had to go through. It had to be present, especially considering Kenshin's sad history and painful experiences (both mentally and physically). I really could see Kenshin and Kaoru's lives playing out like this. The end of the Tokugawa era and the begging of the Meiji era were tough times for the people of Japan and Kenshin's character suffered through the worst. With that being said, this was really hard to watch. To see how much Kenshin and Kaoru suffered was almost too much to bear. It was sad, but bittersweet that at least Kenshin got to die with his beloved. Still, I have to coincide with Choroshi above me though. While I found this to be a great OVA, I don't think I could ever watch it again. I think I'm going to have to be put on anti-depressants from just watching this once. :-/ |
| i think this ova isn't any good, well yeah its depressing and so but it didn't actually move my heart even an inch, because too much drama is not bringing tears just makes it fake and out of this world. Also the worst thing of the ova is that all the characters are changed, they totally ruined enishi arc because i actually cried when reading manga and this was just what so ever. I could maybe give some points for music but art design also was not to my liking. But generally 3/10. |
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| My comment on part 2 applies to here too :) This is like the ending of the whole Rurouni Kenshin anime. It was really good, it shows us what happened in the anime, what happened after the end of the anime. And it gives us a closure, for some it might be sad, I can think of a happier ending than this, but this was like the end of their life, the end of Kenshin. I really liked it. (I still have to see Rurouni Kenshin the actual movie/not the anime movie) |
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| Rurouni Kenshin was one of my earlier anime series, so I had always seen Kenshin as this iconic character who would continue to fight and protect and that his story would end in an open manner. I didn't know about these OVAs, so after I finished the main anime series, I had just assumed that it ended the way it did. 4 years later, however, I found Trust and Betrayal and then this. When I first saw this, it was extremely painful to watch Kenshin suffer and I ended up becoming depressed once he died. Not simply because he died, but the manner in which he did. He was frail, weak, losing his memory, diseased. I never thought I'd see him in such a saddening and pitiful state. He wasn't some iconic superman samurai, he was...only human. I haven't read the manga yet, but I personally am satisfied with this ending. It was sad, but the symbolism behind Kenshin's scar disappearing and finally letting his burden go was powerful and well executed. |
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| Hated it. It really defeat the whole aim of the manga which is to show how a man who did so much sins, who suffered himself terribly, will choose to face people , to live on, to carry his burdens, to help others, to rebuild his life and to smile and bring smiles and happiness to the ones around him. Kenshin chose to be positive, not to be depressed. If he had chosen to be depressed and to follow the path of retribution he would have chosen death the day he killed Tomoe. The person who created this fake ending never understood Rurouni Kenshin and should die of cancer. 0/10 |
short_reviewJan 15, 2014 6:09 PM
| I haven't read the manga. I will, eventually, but I know they have a sort of happily ever after there. I know what you are saying, that Kenshin deserved a better ending but life doesn't give better ends because we deserve it. After everything that happened, and mostly the thing with his frail body not being able to stand swordfighting anymore, like I understand is in the manga, had to have a worst meaning than just `he was not able to fight anymore so he became a house man living happily ever after'. What strikes me is that in Tsuyokuhen Kenshin said to Tomoe that he will die young. I also thought that was how it should naturally be. I dont know, this whole Seisou hen kind of reminded me of Okita Souji's real story, I wouldn't be surprised if the anime would have some inspiration out of that. And that's what made Okita such a loved character isn't it? Aside from that, the fact that Rurouni didn't give in to the domestic life is in my vision a lot more powerful as a story and builds on the character's greatness. And more realistic. He did love Kaoru, yet he decided he had to walk his other way too. And in the end, he had both. |
Morridine said: I haven't read the manga. I will, eventually, but I know they have a sort of happily ever after there. I know what you are saying, that Kenshin deserved a better ending but life doesn't give better ends because we deserve it. It's not that he "deserved" a better ending, it's more like he "chose" a good ending in the manga (the last arc in the manga is a lot about this question "what should I do of my life now"). Kenshin is the story of one man's struggle against everything to live a happy life with his friends. If you give it a sad ending it means "it doesn't matter how much you struggle for a happy life, you will die in pain and suffer". I don't think this is a good message for any story. Stories are not real life, they exist to inspire us. Plus as Aoshi Shinomori himself says in the manga "I don't think so low of becoming an average barkeeper", they have no problem in becoming normal people and live a normal life. You should read the manga, it's an awesome one (and even more if you like lots of historical references). =) |
short_reviewJan 19, 2014 7:35 PM
short_review said: It's not that he "deserved" a better ending, it's more like he "chose" a good ending in the manga (the last arc in the manga is a lot about this question "what should I do of my life now"). Kenshin is the story of one man's struggle against everything to live a happy life with his friends. If you give it a sad ending it means "it doesn't matter how much you struggle for a happy life, you will die in pain and suffer". I don't think this is a good message for any story. Stories are not real life, they exist to inspire us. Plus as Aoshi Shinomori himself says in the manga "I don't think so low of becoming an average barkeeper", they have no problem in becoming normal people and live a normal life. You should read the manga, it's an awesome one (and even more if you like lots of historical references). =) Oh okay, I haven't looked at the picture this way. It does kind of look like a bad message indeed but I guess I haven't seen it like that. I just few days ago watched the movie and it gave me other points of view too, besides the anime. For example this phrase that Kenshin is told in the beginning: `you live by the sword, you die by the sword`, as a response to his gesture of giving up his sword, happy that the new era he had helped create is finally there so he can live peacefully. So in the end of Seisouhen, when he dies of this sickness, I was only thinking, rather, well that was fine, he didn't die by the sword as they said he should. So his effort wasnt really meaningless... in a twisted weird thinking way. But I think you are right and yeah... that does sound better if you think that's what he fought for. I will read the manga yey I love love historical references and I read a lot about Shinsengumi (which kind of made everything about Kenshin weird since he was an imperialist!) |
Morridine said: I just few days ago watched the movie and it gave me other points of view too, besides the anime. Yeah. The anime gives a bit too much the impression that Kenshin's world is "all blue and happy". The anime was for kids. The manga is a bit grimer. For example it's oftenly hinted that the Meiji government is doing a lot of bad things. When Jinne dies he says "my death serves the politicians since I was doing their dirty job for them, I knew too many secrets". After the fall of Shishio, they talk a lot about what happened to the juppongatana, it is said that Yumi was really upset with the governement who legally considered prostitutes like her not even human and less than cattle. When kenshin says "I'm completely sure that the strong doesn't have to devour the weak" there is a comment next to the image "In fact some years later the Meiji government turned Japan into a strong and aggressive military country in which the strong ruled". So even if in the end Kenshin chose a normal life, everything was not going well in Japan, far from it. |
short_reviewJan 20, 2014 4:47 PM
| I fully understand all the complaints here (especially the one about Aoshi being nowhere in sight, not to mention Misao and the others...), but I think it's kind of missing the point of this OVA. The depressing atmosphere is the focal point of this and in that regard, I think it shines well. I think it would be best to view this as an "alternate ending," especially for those already familiar with how the manga ends. |
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TinkerAsuna said: I think it was something like leprosy but it had no cure. And like what some others have posted, I just see this as an alternate ending with really good animation quality. Kinda like "what if kenshin never really moved on from tomoe and couldn't truly accept kaoru as his wife" scenario, which of course this does not happen in the manga. still good nonetheless imo, but nowhere near as good as the other OVA.What was the illness that he had, that was transmitted to his wife? Was it hepatitis? Only reason why I said it was because his friend fought a tiger for its' liver. Any clue? |
| I've heard this isn't considered canon. |
| I really don't get why people disliked this ending, call it bittersweet but kenshin found peace, and both he and kaoru were together when they died(if it wasn't obvious, the ending heavily implies that kaoru died shortly after kenshin), to me, kenshin, a man who had lived a life filled with blood and carnage, and nightmares, finally finding peace with a woman who wanted to share his pain with him, and dying beside the woman he loves, to me there's not a more noble and blessed death a man like him could truly have. I mean i get people didn't want to see kenshin and kaoru die, but we all die, and i hope my death is half as pleasant as this ending. |
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