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06-01-10, 3:48 PM

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Everyone who has any kind of awarness and normal level of criticism towards anime has one or few cliches you hate, be it a typical cliché in shonen anime or a phrase like: "You just have to believe in yourself and it makes you stronger". I think everybody ought to catch the point out of this incredibly short explanation. Sorry if this thread exists already, couldn't find it atleast.

So clichés that I hate are:

1) Markmanship of the antagonists goons. You know them the faceless nameless minions who are absolutely hopeless. There are 100 of them but they can't hit the protagonists even if they are running in an open area and not even evading the bullets and these minions are using machine guns.. Just who hires these idiots?! Even I'd do better alone that what most of these goons can do in groups of 20 and these guys should be somekind of pros to be hired.

2) Persevarance of protagonists. It takes one shot in a belly to get rid of a enemy pawn, but soldiers like Guts from Berserk don't go down from just 20 or 30 arrows and sword slashes. An arrow or two which normally kill enemy soldier even though they'd hit in a foot, don't mean a thing, good man boobs stop any arrow.

3) The secret move which is used when the hero or the antagonist is just about to lose, he reveals a secret move which he came up just a second ago or before battle but for some reason didn't use it at first.

4) Idiotic enemy bosses. Like in the Bleach, they intentionally want to train their enemies by sending minions stronger by the step which heroes defeat with difficult and gain new level. For example in Bleach Arrancar section, why the hell did they send some noob espadas to Karakura City and not from 1 to 4 when they could have easily kicked every1s ass.

Im more than excited to hear what bugs you the most, phrases are welcome as well, but propably cliches such as my examples would be better.
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“Human nature denies the past in order to justify the present. But do you believe there is anything in the present worth justifying?”


"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."




 
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06-01-10, 3:52 PM

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Completely oblivious to affection characters. It's very annoying and hinders any thought process that goes on in the creators of the show. [opinion]Seriously, the more interesting parts happen when we see an actual couple interact.[/opinion]
 
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06-01-10, 3:53 PM

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06-01-10, 3:58 PM

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"I can kill you today, but we'll postpone this fight so you can train up and kill me" plot.

or

"Looks like I'm forced to use "that move"" plot.
 
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06-01-10, 3:58 PM

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Male characters going for girls that care the least about them (in love polygon/harem anime usually).
 
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06-01-10, 3:59 PM

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shounenshit
 
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06-01-10, 3:59 PM

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AirStyles said:
"I can kill you today, but we'll postpone this fight so you can train up and kill me" plot.

or

"Looks like I'm forced to use "that move"" plot.


Totally agreed..

“Human nature denies the past in order to justify the present. But do you believe there is anything in the present worth justifying?”


"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."




 
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06-01-10, 4:06 PM

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The "I've loved you my whole life, even though you're an arrogant foulmouthed pervert who couldn't give a damn about me" thing that a huge chunk of anime girls seem to have going for the lead male.

Also when a guy genuinely accidently does something that embarrasses the girl and she smacks him because of it - anyone with a braincell or three could see it was an accident.
 
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exceeding talented characters -These are characters who have never been to the school or trained in said field before and suddenly over the course of 13-26 episodes become the number one of said class or team. Ah, it drives me crazy, I drop anime for this reason.

Can't do anything by myself characters, also know as totally useless characters These are characters who whine nonstop, can not stand doing anything alone and can not fight for themselves.

Freeloaders Characters who serve no purpose in the story except to be dragged around for who knows what reason by the main characters

The unemotional The characters who fake feelings about anything in order to attempt to fit in with the other characters.

Can't think for themselves... Kind of obvious I don't think it requires a description.

Comic Relief Characters I just don't see the point, either work with everyone or get off the show.

Carbon Cutout characters They fit in every anime, they are nothing special and a stock cliche.

I'm sure there are more, this is just what I can come up with right now.
 
06-01-10, 4:16 PM

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Tsunderes. I've yet to find one that I didn't want to punch in the throat.
Shitty male leads. Way too many crappy harem leads out there.
Shitty female leads. I love shoujo, but most shoujo leads are helpless pussies.
 
06-01-10, 4:19 PM

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Crappy Harem Male Leads- None of them are good even Wataru which had a decent personality and intentions but was overall useless (He can't even open a jar) and ended up being a cheerleader of sorts.


 
06-01-10, 4:21 PM

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* The intentional/unintentional tease that pushes the "one person who wants them the most/one person they want to be with" away from them either due to their own shyness, or just to be a spiteful bitch towards their potential love.

* The person who doesn't put too much effort in curing themselves of their stigmas.

* The moeblob who is just too stupid to live.

* The tsundere who's "bitch/angel switch" stays on the "bitch" side for the entire show unless it benefits themselves to be an angel for 5 minutes.

* The hypocrite who believes that they are the most just saint in the world, despite being anything but a saint. The worst is when they think everyone else is wrong because they're too self-righteous to think of anyone elses input as meaningful.
 
06-01-10, 4:29 PM

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The character types.
Waratte Oemashou Sore ha Chiisana Inori
 
06-01-10, 4:29 PM

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the childhood friend always wins in any harem
the girl with the sword always loses in any harem
whenever people in a fight (especially those who are supposed to be in a hurry to save the world/damsel in distress/dieing friend/etc) stop every few seconds to talk about their childhoods or the fancy move they'll be using in 10 mins or so when they've finished charging it or just continuous over use of the "I am not left handed" trope with detailed explanations included.
badass females that slowly degrade over the course of the series in spite of constant effort and training and eventually (usually) become healers or perpetual damsels in distress while the hero (who's usually a lazy fu*k that never trains) becomes super badass over night and passes them in no time at all, no matter how huge the gap in power was at the start of the series.
whenever everyone on the show loves someone (usually the main character) no matter how little they've done to deserve it and no matter how much they've done to make anyone with half a braincell hate them and view them as an incompetent moron who shouldn't be allowed to continue breathing for sake of humanity.

most of these are shounen cliche's btw
 
06-01-10, 4:29 PM

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Have to add one more:

Preaching. You know what Shonen animes do. Naruto and Ichigo preach a little to their enemies about justice and how they don't care about someone randoms feelings at all who they self met 1 hour ago and now know everything about them and are so good themself that they can go telling other people how bad they are... That's just too arrogant and annoying, and their words have effect on the enemy by either way:
a) Antagonist shouts: "WHAT DO YOU KNOW!! BLAARGH DIIIE Im too hurt by your justful words, I have to kill youuuuuu!!!"
b) "I don't care... I have nothing good in me, i have no morals or objective Im just so damn evil that I want every1 to suffer, for Im le boréd"

“Human nature denies the past in order to justify the present. But do you believe there is anything in the present worth justifying?”


"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."




 
06-01-10, 4:37 PM

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Predictable scenarios. Ex:

 
06-01-10, 4:37 PM

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I absolutely hate moe. I never understood the attraction towards these types of shows
 
06-01-10, 4:39 PM

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I dislike when teammates somehow find the time to discuss strategy, history, philosophy, genetics, regrets, sorrows, laments, etc. for what seems like minutes during a life and death struggle with an enemy. And, since evil enemies are so nice, they allow the heroes the chance to talk amongst themselves without taking advantage and attacking during their discussion.
 
06-01-10, 4:54 PM

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Predictable scenarios. Ex:


I so totally agree with this
 
06-01-10, 5:01 PM

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I think this pretty well sums it up.

Old avatar and sig retired for now.
 
06-01-10, 5:28 PM

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- moeblobs
- typical harem male (and the comic relief sidekick male friend)
- "I NEED TO BECOME STRONG!" type of shounen male
- docile, weak women that are like "-senpai this, -senpai that", or "-sama this, -sama that"
- magical girl/boy transformation scenes


 
06-01-10, 5:31 PM

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Not killing enimies.

I don't care about your morality, they are your enemy, they have done terrible things and they deserve to die once they have lost. At least honor them that much.

Oh yeah, that also leads to befriending enemies, which I also hate. You should be allowed to befriend a limited number of villians at the begining of the series, (Ex. Fate from Nanoha) but never do it at the end.

There are a few execptions, but most of the time the reasons are pure bullshit.
 
06-01-10, 6:07 PM

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The ability to immediately know how to pilot a complicated piece of machinery that years of engineering by brilliant minds has constructed. Seriously, piloting a mech should not be equivalent to playing a fucking Nintendo DS.
 
06-01-10, 6:24 PM

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Iisan-kun said:
Not killing enimies.

I don't care about your morality, they are your enemy, they have done terrible things and they deserve to die once they have lost. At least honor them that much.

Oh yeah, that also leads to befriending enemies, which I also hate. You should be allowed to befriend a limited number of villians at the begining of the series, (Ex. Fate from Nanoha) but never do it at the end.

There are a few execptions, but most of the time the reasons are pure bullshit.


Sounds like Black Cat.
 
06-01-10, 6:53 PM

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Using some sort of super destructive technique that "supposedly" can destroy like, a mountain, but when you use it on somebody, they don't die. I mean, I can understand shooting a person's arm won't kill them, but when you freaking blast there entire left arm off, I doubt they would be able to last long enough to hold a conversation with you. I mean ,their entire left arm is gone and is free-bleeding like heck.
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06-01-10, 7:54 PM

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cliches...a lot...
-anime producers milking uber-popular anime as a cash cow...
-constipation or angst or emo-ness in intense anime scenes...
-ancient technology better than its successors? WTH!?
-the curious case of rie kugimiya...as the uber-popular tsundere of course...
-gar characters thinking that they are too epic...well, not!
-the words ~desu,~kawaii,~onee-chan overly used in anime
-the typical fanservice scenes never disappear...

 
06-01-10, 10:16 PM

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Okay, let's see...

Spineless Male Harem Hero. I just hate it when the female protagonists have a lot more balls than the hero. If he had any to start with anyway. What really gets me about this? He's like that forever.
(*coughcoughkoikoisevencoughcough*)

Ultra-dense Male Harem Hero. Take a clue man. At least realize some of them are taking interest in you. (This is why I love Sakura Taisen.)

Henchman Shooting. More aptly called the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy. Can't the mooks shoot any good? What, does the big bad pay them a dime per day? Seriously.

Secret Move Ass-pull or I am not left-handed. It's perfectly fine with me if they told me foreshadowed that this guy has a sort of secret potential that only activates in desperation. But intentionally hiding some sort of new, never-mentioned-before ultra powerful move "just for this special occasion"? C'mon.

Power with no reason. I wouldn't mind getting stronger to protect friends or somesuch. Though I'd mind if the hero were getting stronger "just 'cuz".

Useless characters. The only thing worse than cliche #1 and 2 is this. The character can't do anything worthwile - he/she's not even funny.

Standby characters. Okay, so the protagonist is fighting the big bad. What're the other characters doing there, gasping and commenting about their fight? Go help your friend, for pete's sake!

Stopping for a Hannibal Lecture. The villain stops to try and psyche the hero out with big words and stuff. While he's doing his evil laugh and talking nonsense, rush to him and stab him already!

Inability to kill the antagonist. The character murdered hundreds of henchmen, but can't to get himself to kill the master of all that is evil? What's up with that?

Yeah, that's all.
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06-01-10, 10:39 PM

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Henchman Shooting. More aptly called the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy. Can't the mooks shoot any good? What, does the big bad pay them a dime per day? Seriously.


You just summurized Black Lagoon right there.
 
06-01-10, 10:59 PM

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A character who draws a sword from his or her throat and licks it. Let's face it, unless you are Orochimaru, you can't pull it off.
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06-01-10, 11:02 PM

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Typical useless females who need someone to save them or can't stand up for themselves.

The typical power-up thingy that always happens in shounen.

Good guys winning in the end.

Villains dying in the end.

Characters who never seem to be able to die.

Typical male leads (esp in harems).
 
06-01-10, 11:13 PM

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I dont hate any clichés, in fact i love them. More clichés please! <3
 
06-01-10, 11:20 PM

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Iisan-kun said:
Musushi-Tamago said:
Henchman Shooting. More aptly called the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy. Can't the mooks shoot any good? What, does the big bad pay them a dime per day? Seriously.


You just summurized Black Lagoon right there.


Nonono, in Black Lagoon the nameless henchmen are sometimes considerably good I recon one time they even did something useful. Besides Revy and others somewhat 'evade' (ofc, she can see bullets and evade them just in time!) the bullets.

Real badass henchmans are in series like Fullmetal Panic, Souske doesn't even need to evade the bullets just run in straight line in open area and enemy snipers are clueless how to shoot a moving target.

Other incredibly good markmanship is found in series such as:
Glass no Kantai
every Gundam ever made
One Piece (guns shouldn't been used, you can't hit anyone but Luffy with them)
Soul Link

“Human nature denies the past in order to justify the present. But do you believe there is anything in the present worth justifying?”


"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."




 
06-01-10, 11:28 PM

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- The things that "you have to believe in yourself", "protecting your friends", "defeat the enemy" - always the same
- When the main character is the only one who can defeat an enemy boss
- The enemies are almost always defeated or they die
- Annoying and useless female characters. A clear example of both is Orihime from Bleach and her "Kurosaki-kuuuuuns"
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Gorim said:
Iisan-kun said:
Musushi-Tamago said:
Henchman Shooting. More aptly called the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy. Can't the mooks shoot any good? What, does the big bad pay them a dime per day? Seriously.


You just summurized Black Lagoon right there.


Nonono, in Black Lagoon the nameless henchmen are sometimes considerably good I recon one time they even did something useful. Besides Revy and others somewhat 'evade' (ofc, she can see bullets and evade them just in time!) the bullets.

Real badass henchmans are in series like Fullmetal Panic, Souske doesn't even need to evade the bullets just run in straight line in open area and enemy snipers are clueless how to shoot a moving target.

Other incredibly good markmanship is found in series such as:
Glass no Kantai
every Gundam ever made
One Piece (guns shouldn't been used, you can't hit anyone but Luffy with them)
Soul Link


I guess your kinda right, but man, I'll never forget over how bad those Nazis are at shooting and taking cover.

But yeah, I guess your right and they do 'evade'... unlike FMP.
 
06-01-10, 11:47 PM

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Everything that has been said already in this thread.

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06-02-10, 12:42 AM

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-Kazu said:
I dont hate any clichés, in fact i love them. More clichés please! <3


Agreed.

Pretty much those mentioned clichés are what makes the story more interesting in the end in my opinion.
 
06-02-10, 1:07 AM

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BarelyCreative said:
-Kazu said:
I dont hate any clichés, in fact i love them. More clichés please! <3


Agreed.

Pretty much those mentioned clichés are what makes the story more interesting in the end in my opinion.


Disagreed.

I can understand if some one likes clichés, but I can't see why someone thinks the story is more interesting with them. If I compare shows with unique storyline such as Durarara!! or Death note I can't see how basic shounen cliché series such as Bleach stand a chance. Hey Im not saying Bleach or shounen sucks, most of the anime I watch are shounen, Im just saying shounen series forte isn't their original or interesting storyline in most series it is too foreseeable.

Ofc every serie has some clichés they are unavoidable, but I don't they are so bad thing at all, but there are annoying simple flaws in series that could have been corrected or made more sensable. Tell me how does the invincible main character (Ichigo) make story more interesting. I think he is one of the only uninteresting characters in whole serie (ofc Inoue is worse).

“Human nature denies the past in order to justify the present. But do you believe there is anything in the present worth justifying?”


"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."




 
06-02-10, 1:43 AM

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The "love and friendship always destroy evil" thing..
CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!
 
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moeshit


this
 
06-02-10, 3:16 AM

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Becoming best friends with your enemy after you whoop their ass just doesn't make sense to me...at all.
 
06-02-10, 3:27 AM

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Memory loss. Every second show has some character suffering from freakin memory loss.
 
06-02-10, 3:58 AM

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The "oops, I was here to kill you but ended up falling in love with you" plot line, also known as the "I was merely flirting with you to foil the heroine, but I actually do love you now" plot line from the typical romance.

Man are those ones annoying...
 
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the stupid annoying dumb emotional TEARY-EYED girl that hesitates on every fukkkn word,"Oh umm... please... don't ..umm umm.. ummm umm uMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM"
 
06-02-10, 7:34 AM

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The main character usually lost his parents - are parents that useless to even begin with?
Memory loss also one of the clichés I hate~~
 
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I don't mind cliché but one is really getting annoying:

They should stop with the "I will transform like san goku 1223143214124 times and will defeat you in 1 second because I can't stand you, the evil character, toying with me longer than 2 episodes"

and yes, USELESS female character like Orihime and Sakura are really pissing me off.

Hell, even USELESS male character are really a pain in the ass (why the hell did they put that super intelligent quinchy in the anime ? Intelligence is not gonna make you win in Bleach. And Sado ? Why did they even bother ? lol)

Someone mentioned it : Fightning the weakest first ... it's an anime, not a damn video game. We don't care about some ugly useless minor evil charactere...

 
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supersayen said:

Someone mentioned it : Fightning the weakest first ... it's an anime, not a damn video game. We don't care about some ugly useless minor evil charactere...


That some1 was me and imho they do it in Bleach just like in video games opponents raise only bit by bit in level, why not send the strongest guys at first when they could kick Ichigos and other shinigamis ass. Why in the hell do they give them chance to train by sending noobs and only at the very end they actually send useful espada when they have trained enough to defeat them. Thats why I hate this cliché in animes that they last for 2952959 episodes in which they level up from 0 to 20000

“Human nature denies the past in order to justify the present. But do you believe there is anything in the present worth justifying?”


"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."




 
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*Hands half-assed male protagonist a bento with his name on it*
"its not like I woke up at 4 AM to make this for you!*

*Standing in front of his house when he leaves for school*
"Its not like I was standing in front of YOUR house because I was waiting for you!"

The tsundere childhood-friend is a little overused
 
06-02-10, 9:09 AM

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The tsundere childhood-friend is immensely overused

Fixed.

Also, girls like Ringo from Air Gear. My God, if you like him, tell him. Don't go getting jealous and bitchy when the poor guy doesn't have a damn clue.
 
06-02-10, 9:30 AM

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The "he's not dead until you see him close his eyes" cliché. Seriously, this made me detest watching Code Geass and its million and one ass pulls in bringing back at least a thousand characters from the rightful dead to life.
 
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MidnightBlossom said:
The tsundere childhood-friend is immensely overused

Fixed.

Also, girls like Ringo from Air Gear. My God, if you like him, tell him. Don't go getting jealous and bitchy when the poor guy doesn't have a damn clue.


Lol, thanks
 
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