| I do like the idea of the NPC's. There aren't enough PC's in the one village to make up proper teams. (Just me in Iwa D: ) I'm not sure how the admins will react to it. But it might be a viable addition. Though controlling more than one NPC might get a bit troublesome, especially on the larger scale of things if it's a 4v4 battle or something like that. |
| "If you can't accept the worst - what else will you accept?" "People like to tell me darkness is the absence of light, so i tell them - darkness can only be found in the presence of light" - Amane Chiyo |
| i like the idea of having 1 npc ^^ but shadow is right trying to control 4 people is quite difficult |
| "Just like a person holding a sword trying to protect something. That maybe one's life, or place in society, or reputation, things that one loves, things that one believes; it matters not if it's good or bad, the will to 'protect it' does not change."- yoruichi |
| That's the beauty of it. You don't have to have 3. And having just ones makes that one stronger than having 3. Numbers do not make up for strength. I put in the 3 so solo players could have a 4 man squad. And for difficulty, that depends on the person rping. So people are good at multitasking or setting up traps with the people. Like chess. It comes down to prefference and style. In my opinion |
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| I have to agree with both shadow, and sadness. I love the idea, but for some it would be majorly dificult. though personally, i love to rp multiple people at a time, and have trouble not doing it with the people around me T^T xD |
 ◦It feels so close to me, yet i can't grasp it even if i extend my hands. Even so ... Even if i cant reach it ... there are things that will stay in my heart. Being in the same time and looking up at the same sky, If i can remember that, then even when we are apart from each other, I believe that we can be together. I will run forward now. If i set my goal far enough, then someday .. I'll be able to reach what I aimed for. Emiya Shiro (Fate/stay Night) |
| hey can i finally get my title Tenshi Shouten (angel of death) as for the 500 points put them in ninjustu and as for the ability i get i want is when i use my forbidden chimera justsu watever i i transfer for exchange it so the new body does not reject it and can i ask how much sp i got for my fight with motion and then the arc itself? ooo can i also ask wat my tailed beast abilities r? |
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| Could the genin missions offer more Sp than they originally have now ? maybe to at least 30 sp maybe increase the chunin missions only slightly to 55 Sp ? To spice things up a notch in the missions Sp reward system. I know this is a stupid question, but would I get Sp for being at the piece of the konohagakure Arc ? I know it wouldn't be significant, but I would like to know. |
| @toxic: We all did them missions and the sp is relevant for the level however it's only a minimum ammount and if you do a good job you get bonus sp amd noone knows what sp they are getting and if they get anything for the arc since kyo isn't back yet |
| "Just like a person holding a sword trying to protect something. That maybe one's life, or place in society, or reputation, things that one loves, things that one believes; it matters not if it's good or bad, the will to 'protect it' does not change."- yoruichi |
| @tox/viper: (mostly viper) this is a sugestion thread, not a "ask questions and get answer thread" <.< |
| ◦It feels so close to me, yet i can't grasp it even if i extend my hands. Even so ... Even if i cant reach it ... there are things that will stay in my heart. Being in the same time and looking up at the same sky, If i can remember that, then even when we are apart from each other, I believe that we can be together. I will run forward now. If i set my goal far enough, then someday .. I'll be able to reach what I aimed for. Emiya Shiro (Fate/stay Night) |
| Gimme stuff |
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| well then by ender's previous comment i suggest a ask question get answers thread....i dont think there is one yet. |
| "I come for all who grow, crawl, and walk. I am the perfect hunter. In the end, I am the victor." |
| To put it bluntly this is what this thread is for @End Note:This is my last time posting in this thread besides posting for business purposes. |
| What kind of business? Communication? Finance? Gettin down to business? ;p I'm silly |
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| well till there is an ask question thread i will just post it here hey can i finally get my title Tenshi Shouten (angel of death) as for the 500 points put them in ninjustu and as for the ability i get i want is when i use my forbidden chimera justsu watever i i transfer for exchange it so the new body does not reject it and can i ask how much sp i got for my fight with motion and then the arc itself? ooo can i also ask wat my tailed beast abilities r? EDITED ~Haissem~ Added your title. You gained 900 SP for the last arc. Have not decided on the abilities for it as far as I know of, yet. |
HaissemJan 12, 2011 11:43 AM
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| The club has been moving slowly but progressive during these few days, or possibly months with admins popping up here in there and updating the stat's, characters, rules, and ect.But, even they at times don't have enough time to fully complete and answer questions that most of the members want answered, so I was wondering of having a temporary admins positions for members that are online/active for a long majority of time on myanimelist to ease up the slack for you guys. I would like to assist with the club and reduce the work load for you all.But, also I know many other mite feel the same about the slowness of the club and mite want to assist, as well. This question just mite go unanswered, or just a flat out NO.But, hey you can't blame a guy for wanting to help out one of his favorite rp clubs. |
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JyenhFeb 23, 2011 3:46 AM
| "I come for all who grow, crawl, and walk. I am the perfect hunter. In the end, I am the victor." |
| i agree with jyenh and i think his modified 3 makes the most sense, cause i want a taijutsu user but there just seems to be way too many stats to be good in that area |
| it does make a lot of since because if you are physically fit you would be both stronger and faster to be faster you have to be stronger so in a sense its the same stat and i never understood the intelegence works either since it says the more intelligent you are the faster you can get out of genjutsu which makes no sense cause to get out of a genjutsu you must also be good at genjutsu so in a sense the intelligence stat has no real meaning other than to make genjutsu take longer to be adept at i also think it makes more since to have ninjutsu be the skill of the users and how fast you can do handsigns and have chakkra control be how little cp you need to use jutsu call me if you need me to explain more since i think i just slured a bunch of words in an odd way |
| I miss rping here..... |
| Here would be the new eight gates system if we went with jyenhs idea: |
| the lag wont let me edit my post but theres something i need to change and i need to go to work. here ill just post the changes: |
| The stats can also just be 3 for close ranged fighters as well if they want to focus at taijutsu then they put their points into the taijutsu, speed and power stats and if they want to be good at weapons then they put the points into the weapon stat instead of the taijutsu stat. So it is the same for people that use ninjutsu they put points into chakra, ninjutsu and intelligence so both of them use 3 mains stats for their base |
baxter09Feb 26, 2011 6:21 PM
| missing a keypoint in Jyenhs system, you keep blabbing on about how intel is a useless stat, its not. Have a look at the ninjutsu users in the club and they all have intel, intel enables you to cut corners in rp so you can say 'i planned this out' if somebody tries to pull that with 0 intel nobody will take them seriously. INTEL IS THERE FOR A REASON! Some people are just too naive to use it properly. In some cases (Kaori for example and shadow's char before her) whole characters are based off of the intel stat. so it the normal system is actually 3 for range and 3 for melee assuming your not going to be retarded and try to be tai and wep. I'm strongly opposed to Jyenhs idea as i find it completely ridiculous. |
"A sentence is like skirt length. The shorter the better, but it has to cover all of the important bits" - Some guy, learnt from Tali |
Haissem said: missing a keypoint in Jyenhs system, you keep blabbing on about how intel is a useless stat, its not. Have a look at the ninjutsu users in the club and they all have intel, intel enables you to cut corners in rp so you can say 'i planned this out' if somebody tries to pull that with 0 intel nobody will take them seriously. INTEL IS THERE FOR A REASON! Some people are just too naive to use it properly. In some cases (Kaori for example and shadow's char before her) whole characters are based off of the intel stat. so it the normal system is actually 3 for range and 3 for melee assuming your not going to be retarded and try to be tai and wep. I'm strongly opposed to Jyenhs idea as i find it completely ridiculous. HERE HERE GREAT COMMENT U HAVE MY SUPPORT |
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| ninjutsu users wont go for ninjutsu genjutsu chakra and intel, genjutsu chakra intel, yes, ninjutsu chakra, yes, but intel 'i planned this out' idea, is a load of crap, cus if you have 0 intel and you ACTUALLY plan it out and show the steps then the intel stat is useless, like my guy, he took over a country while he had 0 intel, and he sets up traps and counters and uses the environment and plans ahead, although he has 0 intel. and i have tai, wep, speed and strength, because if you lose your weapon, you need taijutsu, and you still need taijutsu for your reaction speed to counter and block and for your kicks, weapons are just added deadliness to taijutsu and accuracy. and if you say 'i planned it out' and you actually didn't even if you have 6000 intel most people wont take it seriously. people don't dumb down for the intel stat, nor can they smarten up, just look at all the threads. with bax's idea, to be a taijutsu specialist, you need taijutsu, speed and strength, to be ninjutsu only ninjutsu and chakra. intel does not aid ninjutsu, otherwise it'd still be taijutsu, speed, strength, intel versus ninjutsu, chakra, intel. now it would be stupid if you try and have taijutsu and wep as high stats, but you still usually have one with the other unless you have something that replaces a weapon like gentle fist style or are already strong enough to be similar to lee. the only time intel is taken into consideration that i can see is when someone uses genjutsu, if someone plans something out and shows reasoning and how they planned it, people accept that they plan it, when they don't and it hinders them, the person it hinders complains, even if the opponents intel stat is high because they didn't show how they planned it, otherwise it'd be more like a 'lucky' stat. |
| "I come for all who grow, crawl, and walk. I am the perfect hunter. In the end, I am the victor." |
| u can say speed is only for melee fighters it would be for even one cause if a ninjutsu user had no speed i can stop every jutsu that is more than one sign by using my spped to interupt him so speed is for everyone |
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| im not one to go against admins but what jyenh just said is completely true. i have spent half my points so far on the intell stat and guess what? people with 10 intell somehow see everything my my character is doing based on what my actions leading up to it are even though they would really have to be much smarter than that to deduce exactly what im going to do. the intell stat means nothing...... as long as you have higher than 0 your character is really going off of your own personal intelligence and creativity. you just dont want the new system because instead of smacking taijutsu users aside without even trying, we would actually be fighting on equal terms. if its saying no because its alot to suddenly change then i understand but just saying that our idea is bullshit when weve laid down all the facts is unacceptable. and yes i know its embarrassing for someone who isnt an admin to make more sense or to be right than an admin but the bigger man can always suck it up and learn from their mistakes. |
| @viper: than you can say the same about strength and the whole system becomes screwy. if ninjutsu users have no strength then they dont know how to take a hit |
| but a ninjutsu is not the type to take a hit and if they do they know they will be going down |
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| i dont think any type is a type to take a hit and if you take no hits, im pretty sure thats godmodding |
| last time i checked intel was used to determn how quick you got out of genjutsu not really how smart your character is |
| I miss rping here..... |
| @rus: exactly, when in the description it says self explanatory, so it makes more sense to replace it with chakra control. @viper: good ninjutsuists can keep their opponents at a distance, since nearly, if not all, ninjutsu have blocking jutsu and jutsu to push the enemy back. they don't need speed at all unless you verse someone with extremely high speed, but even then people still call dodge. i bet if i went into 7th gate and said i went the speed of light and stabbed you through the next and everything else in the area got a sword in the heart people won't count cus people will still dodge or defend or call god-mode. and so far all the ninjutsuists that i've seen take a hit...which is VERY rarely from what i've seen, they just get back up. if intelligence is self explanatory, what makes strength, speed and weapon skill? all are pretty self explanatory... |
| "I come for all who grow, crawl, and walk. I am the perfect hunter. In the end, I am the victor." |
| @rus: its supposed to be how smart your character is but nobody follows that rule |
| lol normally i agree with people when it makes sense but sorry jyenh but my character needs the intelligence stat Firstly i'm a medical nin and medical ninjutsu is very difficult to use and you need to be smart to use it so therefore the intelligence stat comes in place here so replacing it with chakra control would just be stupid intelligence isn't just breaking out of genjutsu it's about how good you are with ninjutsu, how well you can analyse a fight when you are in a fight so i completely agree with Hai if your intelligence is high enough then when in a fight you cant say you knew that was going to happen however you can say i analysed your movements and anticipated the attack allowing me to dodge with a lesser wound that i could have ended up with. My whole point is that getting rid of the inteligence stat is stupid as people need it other than to break out of genjutsu |
| "Just like a person holding a sword trying to protect something. That maybe one's life, or place in society, or reputation, things that one loves, things that one believes; it matters not if it's good or bad, the will to 'protect it' does not change."- yoruichi |
| lol normally i agree with people when it makes sense but sorry jyenh but my character needs the intelligence stat Firstly i'm a medical nin and medical ninjutsu is very difficult to use and you need to be smart to use it so therefore the intelligence stat comes in place here so replacing it with chakra control would just be stupid intelligence isn't just breaking out of genjutsu it's about how good you are with ninjutsu, how well you can analyse a fight when you are in a fight so i completely agree with Hai if your intelligence is high enough then when in a fight you cant say you knew that was going to happen however you can say i analysed your movements and anticipated the attack allowing me to dodge with a lesser wound that i could have ended up with. My whole point is that getting rid of the inteligence stat is stupid as people need it other than to break out of genjutsu |
| "Just like a person holding a sword trying to protect something. That maybe one's life, or place in society, or reputation, things that one loves, things that one believes; it matters not if it's good or bad, the will to 'protect it' does not change."- yoruichi |
| That's easy to fix. Move all control of genjutsu over to the genjutsu stat, instead of splitting it between 2 stats. As for how smart your character is, that's up to the player. No matter how smart the character is, if the player is an imbecile and doesn't know how to plan ahead, neither will the character. I'm for removing the intel stat, but that's it. Just change the remaining stats to reflect that intel is no longer there, which means change genjutsu only, cause as far as I've seen, it's the only stat that actually calls for intel. If you want a smart character, play smart. |
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| @brandon: But if the intelligence stat was replaced with a chakra control stat it wouldn't harm your character at all. Sakura was scouted by Tsunade exactly because her great chakra control, which, by the way, was what allowed her to break illusions when she didn't have training in genjutsu. That said, I'm up for the change. |
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| but thats what we are saying intelligence isnt used to determin how smart you are |
| I miss rping here..... |
| @jeynh: you said melee specialists need strength, speed, tai and wep. TO HELL THEY DO! They only need strength, speed and tair OR wep. You say you NEED tai if your a weapon person incase your a weapon specialist, THATS BULLSHIT! its merely a smart idea to do that so you don't give yourself an extra weakness. @all: and you all say it again after i address the issue. INTEL IS USED! If someone tries to bullshit their way out of an attack by analyzing with 0 intel, SHOOT THEM DOWN AND CALL GOD MODE YOU HALFWITS! @jolly: genjutsu needs gen and intel so that the system is fair. @all: also note intel required for genjutsu break was chosen that way so people that dont want to use the gen stat can still have some kind of passive help against gen via the intel stat because it is assumed people use the stat to determine how smart their character is and often corresponds with how smart the player is. AND I WILL NOW REITERATE! There are WHOLE characters based off of the intel stat, meaning it is the MAIN STAT for the character. If Kaori did not have intel she would die simple as that. Just because people are not smart enough to use that stat more does not mean it is useless it just means that people are abusing the system where we admins trust the players to make their character think according to their intelligence stat. (yes i was raging because this pisses me off because some people just dont get it) |
"A sentence is like skirt length. The shorter the better, but it has to cover all of the important bits" - Some guy, learnt from Tali |
| .. wow.. just wow.. you guys are normally inteligent, but this is commen sence, *agrees with hai* >< |
| ◦It feels so close to me, yet i can't grasp it even if i extend my hands. Even so ... Even if i cant reach it ... there are things that will stay in my heart. Being in the same time and looking up at the same sky, If i can remember that, then even when we are apart from each other, I believe that we can be together. I will run forward now. If i set my goal far enough, then someday .. I'll be able to reach what I aimed for. Emiya Shiro (Fate/stay Night) |
| @brandon: chakra control in naruto pretty much determines how smart you are, look at sakura shikamru and tsunade. without chakra intel but with chakra control instead it still makes sense for medical. |
| "I come for all who grow, crawl, and walk. I am the perfect hunter. In the end, I am the victor." |
| *gives hai a chill pill* I still feel that as far as intelligent characters go it's up to the player. As for analyzing an attack or jutsu, I cead that point to hai. If you use a jutsu and someone knows everything about it, including about how to void it, call god mod. That's player knowledge not character knowledge. Unless the character has encountered the jutsu before or uses it |
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| @hai: ok then if i didn't have tai jutsu and i lose my weapon, i die, if i have my weapon blocked, i die, i need taijutsu so i can kick and counter attack when i'm blocked, it also allows me to block with means other than my weapon. and if someone actually shows them analysing someone it'd be accepted, as long as the actual person can justify it with their own intelligence, if you had 6000 int once again if you just said "i analyse your moves and predict you completely" i'd call BS, because they didn't tell me the analysis. @brandon: using that principle i need to have intel so i know everything about my weapons, medical ninjutsu is just that, ninjutsu, the more ninjutsu you have the better you are at medical, the better chakra control the more precise you are. intel does not need to go with ninjutsu, because you can plan ahead anyway without intelligence, just look at naruto, he's a dumb crap but he comes up with really good ideas in battle, same here. intel is more like sakura, being good at theory but it's useless in practice. and if whole characters are based off intel why? because they can analyse? that can go into the analyses of chakra and exhaustion put it by chakra control cus you can also identify how well your opponent controls their chakra. and hai, people aren't getting me so it's still 2 sides of the same coin. the question is: Do we want to make the stats more balanced in exchange for screwing up character stats that were caused by the same imbalance requiring people to rethink their characters and re-do their stats. cus it's obvious the stats are imbalanced, it's just a matter of how to fix it. i just gave a suggestion, people can change and build on it, but i'll continue justifying the sections that people are misunderstanding from what my initial understanding was. |
| "I come for all who grow, crawl, and walk. I am the perfect hunter. In the end, I am the victor." |
Jyenh said: @brandon: chakra control in naruto pretty much determines how smart you are, look at sakura shikamru and tsunade. without chakra intel but with chakra control instead it still makes sense for medical. JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOOD CHAKRA CONTROL DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE SMART! You just picked those characters because they are smart and have good chakra control, you picked characters to aid your side of the story. @J: god dammit read what i type, you dont NEED tai to be a weapon person but it is good idea as a BACKUP. You could just have wep speed and strangth and still kick ass it just means you really on a weapon like ninjutsu users rely on their hands, take away their hands and they cant do anything. Its the same boat. THE STATS ARE ALREADY BALANCED! they are not imbalanced you are just trying to change the whole system so it fits your character just damn well learn how to counter against ninjutsu users and quit trying to change the systems that have worked since the club opened. |
"A sentence is like skirt length. The shorter the better, but it has to cover all of the important bits" - Some guy, learnt from Tali |
| going by suggestion 3 all of these will pretty much, if not exaclty, remain the exact same style of play and effect, although the close combatants will be stronger to solve the inbalance and that is why they have a high single stat, but then they can split it off into more catogories making it more effective.: Balance Template: Adjusted Stats: they should play the same unless you use some unique style, which can often be adjusted by just swappin around the stats for chakra contorl and ninjutsu. just some examples if you ask me and give details i can probs give you the alternative stats if you aren't listed. |
| "I come for all who grow, crawl, and walk. I am the perfect hunter. In the end, I am the victor." |
| thats just retarded are you not listening to me god frigging dammit. ninjutsu would become useless in your system! Rank of ninjutsu is determined by Rank (anbu etc), so with reductions it becomes useless. INTEL IS USED TO REDUCE GEN! now i have no gen defence like i did before and that happens to alot of people, intel was a defense against gen saving people who dont actually want to use gen investing in it. this effects everyone. physical fitness is a load of shit. Now you cant see how hard people hit for or how fast they move, it is the most ridiculous suggestion i have heard of. FOR THE LAST TIME THE SYSTEM IS NOT IMBALANCED! You're just too stupid to realise that melee specialists can completely own ninjutsu specialists if they think through and plan it out properly. |
"A sentence is like skirt length. The shorter the better, but it has to cover all of the important bits" - Some guy, learnt from Tali |
| look at my first post, it shows that it is imbalance. chakra control reduces genjutsu and decreases the usage of cp per jutsu. ninjutsu is how hard your ninjutsu hits for. physical fitness is all areas of the body, speed strength and agility. also people don't count that the stronger you are in your legs, the further you move per step, and the quicker and more momentum your attacks have, the more impact they cause, this just combines both factors to show you exactly how hard they will hit for. |
| "I come for all who grow, crawl, and walk. I am the perfect hunter. In the end, I am the victor." |
| and what if the ninjutsuist thinks through and plans out properly? then close-range fighters cant win, even if the ninjutsuist cant defend they make up some crap most the time or call god-mode. |
| "I come for all who grow, crawl, and walk. I am the perfect hunter. In the end, I am the victor." |
| 1. your first post is biased because the system is not imbalanced you just assume it is becuase you assume wep users need tai, which they dont. 2. not needed, intel reduced gen, nin reduced cp per jutsu 3. that is why the jutsu's have ranks and additional power can be determined by how much cp you put into it 4. obviously you didnt get my point. with physical fitness it would end up with people having a brick shit house that can run like lightening, it doesnt fucking work. you need individual speed and strength stats so that you can specialise. you are trying to generalise the system so that people have less choice in how they want their character to develop, if you want unstoppable swords sacrafice tai but you want balance and defence take tai and wep. I personally sacarficed all melee cpability AND a weakness to gen so that i would have insane ninjutsu. SACRAFICE TO GAIN! you are just trying to play it safe and be good at too many things and expect to be great at them. If you want high stats, specialise dumbass. if you think somebody god modes out of a hit call god mode, are you dumb or something? thts just common sense |
"A sentence is like skirt length. The shorter the better, but it has to cover all of the important bits" - Some guy, learnt from Tali |
| The physical fitness thing is stupid though :S i mean how can you tell who is stronger or who is faster. the way it is now is perfectly fine |
| "Just like a person holding a sword trying to protect something. That maybe one's life, or place in society, or reputation, things that one loves, things that one believes; it matters not if it's good or bad, the will to 'protect it' does not change."- yoruichi |
| ok anyways onto another point since this obviously is not going to end well^^ is it really possible to have zero as a stat? i mean wouldnt you need at least 5 sp in every stat? say if your speed is zero doesnt that mean you cant move? |
| I miss rping here..... |
| Either way guys, you can rant about the intelligence stat being useless and the system being flawed and what not.The admins won't change it, unless they see a major problem themselves.So, just give up and accept the system, or you can meaninglessly argue and thus make yourselves look bad. * Awkwardly Changes the Subject * Okay... My stat's still remain with Konohagakure, but my name has been moved over to Kirigakure '' Even though, it wasn't actually me on at that time.But, my little cousin playing around on my computer. '' Could I still have my name switched over back to Konohagakure ? Since my stats aren't officially switched over to Kirigakure. |
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