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View Poll Results: Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex Episode 15 Discussion
5 out of 5: Loved it!
56 62.22%
4 out of 5: Liked it
23 25.56%
3 out of 5: It was OK
9 10.00%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
1 1.11%
1 out of 5: Hated it
1 1.11%
Voters: 90

11-17-11, 1:54 PM

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 3351
Call me crazy, but despite the fact that this episode was amazingly well-done and interesting, it was CREEPY as hell! When I see killing machines and lethal weapons acting like that it scares the shit out of me.

This developments together with the PC-acting-on-his-own last episode, I think I can see where this is going.
03-04-12, 11:19 AM

Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2846
God damn, I love the Tachikoma. Really didn't like how the Major just decided to scrap them, even though she has a good reason too. I just think the tachikoma are cute
06-06-12, 3:30 PM

Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2510
Robots taking over humans... D:

Makes me shiver. Brilliant episode though.
07-22-12, 7:01 PM

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 255
This was my favourite episode so far, for once there was some real philosophy, many references and humour. Too bad I had to trudge through boring action and police procedural of the future to get this far. This had stuff on many levels, at simplest they referred to the liar paradox which is about 2400 years old. And Turing test of course. The idea that God negates meaning was an interesting one. A big obstacle for any philosophy in this series is the existence of ghosts, which essentially limits discussions to systems that assume the existence of some kind of soul, and most thought systems dealing with souls also assume the existence of at least one god.

One of the Tachikoma also mentioned bodies without organs which is a much more recent idea (from Gilles Deleuze) and something a bit beyond Philosophy 101. At its most basic it refers to a virtual body that is the potential of actual bodies, and to become a true body without organs one must explore these potentials, mostly through other bodies. Which is exactly what the Tachikoma seem to be doing and hence developing faster than expected. It was a very quick reference, one line of dialogue, but quite interesting. From that perspective, the Tachikoma are not simply curious, which is after all a human emotion, but are trying to become bodies without organs, fluid, nomadic, evolving. In a way simply by being capable of change they already have that potential, but it is only through realisations they get from the recent experiences that they can actualize themselves.
10-06-12, 9:01 AM

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 2077
Nooooo!!! They can't scrap the Takekomas! They are awesome! T_T.

"I like to expose what people hide. I'm an intellectual rapist." - Furudo Erika
10-24-12, 1:05 AM

Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1711
Poor Tachikomas!!! I am still looking forward to see some Tachikoma actions.. Hpmh, Major is really strict.. [hehe, but I still like her].
12-22-12, 8:18 AM

Joined: May 2012
Posts: 12394
Those tachikomas are just amazing, I just love those they really are great to fun up the story, just love it when they appear in an episode! The Jap Voice Actor does an amazing job to even make it better!

Great episode although not much happened seeing the tachikomas made it good!
12-22-12, 8:34 AM

Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 11962
What is there like three different people watching this series at once? That's pretty cool.
"That I do not understand my own mind upsets me more than I can describe" - Meruem, The Chimera Ant King.
12-22-12, 8:45 AM

Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 2015
It's a pretty cool series. I put it off for years because I saw an ep of the second gig during a festival, and it just sounded like Innocence (too pretentious). But this first gig is great, think I found myself a new favorite.

Back on topic:
That moment when the tachikoma messed the robot with a logical paradox, splendid. For a moment I thought they were gonna rebel (with the 2001 like sequence), but major is boss. I'd like to see more of them though, if you explain to them what's the military, and what's an order, I don't see why we shouldn't.
Modified by EratiK, 12-22-12, 8:50 AM
12-22-12, 6:43 PM

Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2614
Always nice to see more of Tachikomas. However I hope they won't be scrapped becouse they are entertaining as hell.

12-25-12, 10:05 PM

Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 159
Their existential crisis is amusing to watch.
01-01-13, 1:19 PM

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 45350
Quite a heavy dialogue episode but the talk regarding emotions, humans, and robots was quite interesting. The talk did drag on a bit but still pleasant to watch.
05-29-13, 1:49 PM

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1686
The Tachikomas where great in this episode. I hope they wont scrap them. Even thou Majors concerns have a good reason. Their job is to work for the section 9 as weapons. All in all the episode was enjoyable.
"My girlfriend is Pururin, and Pururin only!!!"~ Kaoru Yamazaki
06-14-13, 8:39 AM

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 2475

An episode that lay ahead full of action and instead goes to investigate the doubts of greater Makoto, the dialogues between the Tachikoma pleasant and enjoyable you also know that the girls androids are not just machines of cold, if you score well despite being limited in their AI able to relate to each other as true of humans as do the Tachikoma. Too hilarious those war machines, curious to know if they can survive or Verrano reset their thinking minds!
However, a weapon thinking can not be an avera weapon, because it would be subject to doubt! Maximum grade! *_*
11-19-13, 3:23 PM

Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 80
Lessons on life, death, god, and human perception as told by baby blue light combat tanks with childrens voices.

12-13-13, 4:14 AM

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 258
This episode made me recall Philip K. Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" novel. It is a great thing on the surface, having AIs intellectually powerful enough to communicate and feel like humans do; however, it's really scary to see that they have such potential, having the concept of reverse psychology, emotional intelligence, sentience, and even lip-synching abilities. And for a mere 20 years into the future, it is surprisingly believable that such AI standards can be achieved by then.
12-18-13, 5:54 AM

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 2043
Wow, an entire episode on tachikoma talking about philosophy xD

But seriously, it was really interresting, the problem of a too much intelligent machine. At that point, they could even rebel...

But poor Batou... For him, it's like losing is little kids.
«Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.»
- Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie
12-20-13, 7:26 PM

Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 540
My god these Tachikomas are so adorable and entertaining despite being weapons. I hope they won't scrap them.
06-11-14, 1:19 AM

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 2475
Amazing how in the main story, it is inserted with arrogance and with much involvement also this subplot, which makes quesa anime series really is a great product.
The shape of the Tachikoma is increasingly enhanced, moreover also that of Saito, Batou and the Major.
Drawings, animations and dialogues really big-time.
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