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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Oh, so the twins were adopted, and Johan was put into some sort of assassin training orphanage. Guess that explains things. Also, I found it quite funny that Dieter had the same voice as Naruto, especially when he was talking about getting stronger =P |
| Great Episode & Tenma your a Truly great Man, Hartman go kill yourself I didnt notice the kid had the same voice as naruto |
| "Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. And some will lose more than the tips off their fingers, I promise you. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that" |
| the music always comes in at the right time in this series, making the scenes even more intense. i like it! |
| Physically and mentally abusing orphans as a social experiment? What can possibly go wrong! |
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| not as an assassin more like other kinds of testings...at least back story is more clear. i like it. |
msw said: Yes I feel like the kids were horribly abused at the orpahage, that explains some of the mindset.not as an assassin more like other kinds of testings...at least back story is more clear. i like it. |
| Vendetta!!! said Johan :P |
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| Definitely wasn't assassin training per se. Based on the behavior of people surrounding Johann, I'm pretty sure mind-control mechanisms were the main project, both on their subjects and making their subjects devices capable of similar control. This is getting really sinister, and very interesting. |
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| Damn that old guy was creepy as hell. So the story with Johan and Anna goes deeper and deeper...it's getting more interesting with each episode |
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| Very good ep imo. Gives us back story about Johan and Anna. Although I am a bit confused. It was mentioned before that Anna and Johan were taken care of by many families, and that all of the were dead in the end. Last one being Lieberts. However, in this ep I could understand that Johan was made into a psychopath and a killer here. The only explanation that is viable for both stories is that Johan was a psychopath before he got into 511 Kinderheim. This would explain why they actually took Johan, and why were twins separated. Germans probably saw the talent in Johan and kept him while transferring Anna to an ordinary orphanage. Then another question is mooted for me. Why did Lieberts looked for a child for adoption in such a place like 511 orphanage. They should have known about the things going on there or at least seen after entering it, and chosen the other orphanage which isn't far. This leads us to a verdict Lieberts might have wanted to have such a child and even encouraged Johans way of thinking and psychopathy. |
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| When the guy paused outside the door, I was like "Oh fuck, don't tell me he beats the kid. D:" And the story with Johan and Anna thickens... unclesnapple said: Physically and mentally abusing orphans as a social experiment? What can possibly go wrong! http://encyclopediadramatica.com/It_was_a_social_experiment |
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| at last something move. |
| Tenma Needs A alias and be used to using it otherwise everyone will find out who he is |
 Behold of my awesomeness~ controversial and/or sensitive topics likely devolve into the same repetitive, derogatory, abusive, and harassing comments can no longer be posted. But my feels. |
| i actually love this anime, its absolutely amazing! |
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| Knew straightaway that Hartman was the abuser. |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| Dieter was rescued. |
| 0.o yeah the whole part about the siblings actually being split up in different orphanages and Johann's being an experimentation lab was predictable as shit right? I mean I totally saw that coming, it was so obvious... don't say shit is predictable AFTER you see it you derp, I'll bet you only think its predictable after you have seen it, well bravo I can predict the past too, does that make me a genius? I feel like people should come and pay me to get predictions of the past because I'm so pro I can predict it, and apparently that isn't easy to do. |
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| A lot of info for this one. Nice to hear Junko's voice in this one haha. I will become stronger direct reference to Naruto. About Episode: So Tenma were looking again some info regarding Lieberch family and he founded that orphanage called 511 Kindlehaim. I have to say that those symbols that were in the that place walls. I wonder do they have some secret in them. Also when Tenma found Dietus and aid him. I found it strange that he even doesn't said Thank You or i mean maybe he was scary for Tenma. And after Tenma had been told about Hartmann he definitely would go meet him to get more info regarding Johan and Anna. Of course that old man told some stuff that Johan made Revolution in that place and was very scary to talk about those things. Still I didn't saw it coming he was bad guy too. Poor Dieter hope that hospital will help him and aid his wounds. But Tenma sure dioes have money when he is all the time buying gifts for his patients haha. But seriously that orphanage was scary as hell and yeah I did think human experiments were done in there. When that man told about those strict rules. But didn't know there was also another orphanage better place known as Orpahanage 47. And thiis was much better place than 511 Kindlehaim. So my guess is that they did something bad to Johan and made his mind like psycho. That's why his like that. Because like that woman told they were together always until they had to leave everything behind after going those orphanages. Cool Episode 5/5 |
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| Tenma should have shot that children beating bastard. Anyway, the story is unfolding nicely. |
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| Experiment.. seems like they were using similiar techniques and share same ideas as Nazi during WWII with their Hitler Jugend (indoctrinating them). Things would get pretty intense soon I guess. |
| A slower episode, but still good. |
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| This episode brings up the point that we’ve heard far too often but is still important – Should a person’s prior treatment/abuse/circumstances be called into play when dealing with their own crimes. I think hardly anyone would say that such experiences would not affect the person. We also find here that Johan was very attached to his sister and wanted her to be with him at all times. He does want her to live on. One thing that’s a little unrealistic is how Tenma hasn’t had any trouble moving around. I mean everyone he’s met has been able to recognize him from the wanted pictures but I guess we’re supposed to overlook that. |
| -Nothing can stay unchanged. Even so, can you still keep on loving this place? -Be still my soul; when change and tears are past, all safe and blessed we shall meet at last. |
| another amazing episode!! wow Tenma is slowly becoming a detective now XD also no more Huckel? fuck that Hartmann guy, it's obvious he took part with the Kinderheim 511 orphanage poor Dieter :( really appreciate the lady running the orphanage without influence by the government. definitely need more people like her in real life! so it is a experiment orphanage after all. could Yohan be the ultimate killer? and wow does that mean Yohan and Nina's biological parent's are spies? do wonder how Nina was put in a much safer orphanage. next episode is gonna be ace as always!! i hope hartmann get's killed, for a name like hartmann, he surely doesn't have a heart at all. |
| Interesting revelation about the orphanage. Another great episode |
| Huge revelations at the end. Love seeing Tenma's change of personality. |
cairobabyJun 9, 2014 10:41 AM
Kayro said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Oh, so the twins were adopted, and Johan was put into some sort of assassin training orphanage. Guess that explains things. Also, I found it quite funny that Dieter had the same voice as Naruto, especially when he was talking about getting stronger =P Really? I thought it was Luffy!!! I'm pretty sure it's Luffy actually... *Went back to listen to it, you are RIGHT lol Sorry because they sound kinda similar :P* |
phantom19 said: This episode brings up the point that we’ve heard far too often but is still important – Should a person’s prior treatment/abuse/circumstances be called into play when dealing with their own crimes. I think hardly anyone would say that such experiences would not affect the person. We also find here that Johan was very attached to his sister and wanted her to be with him at all times. He does want her to live on. Going under the assumption that Johan truly doesn't know what he's doing is wrong... It's hard to swallow considering all of the murders he's committed, but I do think he could be redeemed in such a case, especially if given an abusive background. If he is unwilling to change, though, justice should take over where mercy isn't heeded. I think the families of those who were killed should have a say in the matter. Regarding this specific episode: It wasn't too surprising to see an episode dealing with abuse, but it was handled well. The orphanage guy is a hypocrite for criticizing the previous orphanage when he's still abusing children himself. It's grievous how many children are abused physically and/or psychologically these days. It looks like we'll get some background on Johan soon. It probably won't be covered yet, but I wonder what he and Anna were doing back in Czechoslovakia. |
| Cool episode. Nice to see more of Johan's backstory. |
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| Boy there was a lot of talking and investigating this episode. Hope something happens because these past few episodes have been pretty uneventful. Hartmann is now in a tie with Eva for my most hated character in this anime. Seriously I wish Tenma would have shot that bastard. The way Hartmann was able to look relatively nice and inviting just made him even more evil. That daycare that Tenma visited makes me kinda suspicious. Are they really caring for the children and not treating them like prisioners like at 511 Kinderheim? I'm not so sure. Decent episode. 7/10 |
| What a tragedy! An orphanage for children experiments. im sure that this kind of things are exist in real world and i don't like thing about it. That bastards must be punished most severely! |
| As I remember, Anna said that her brother was killing every one nice they met in their way while walking, doesn't that mean he was screwed up mentally even before the orphanage? Tenma needs a friend, like one reliable friend. Man he is alone in this world. Also, he should start using another name, what kind of a suspect doesn't hide his identity! |
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Hakaya said: As I remember, Anna said that her brother was killing every one nice they met in their way while walking, doesn't that mean he was screwed up mentally even before the orphanage? Tenma needs a friend, like one reliable friend. Man he is alone in this world. Also, he should start using another name, what kind of a suspect doesn't hide his identity! Makes sense, why doesn't Tenma go with another name? |
| Cool to see more background info on the twins |
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| Experimentation on the children!? Is that why Johan became a monster? |
| Tenma's presents aren't very lucky lol.. (remember the guy with the clock). I hope Dieter won't have the same fate. Finally some explanation about Johan, i'm really curious what will happen in 74 episodes! p.s. i'm loving the opening theme, i never skip it because it puts me in the mood. |
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| Nice to see more information about Johan and his sister. |
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| Johan killing every family that had taken care of the twins just because Kinderheim made him a cold person seems strange to me. If Kinderheim was training these children to be heartless assassins, they wouldn't certainly wouldn't be the kind of people to kill with zero motivation. And I stress on the 'zero', killing unrelated spectators on a mission for damage control would be a likely course of action for such people, but killing with zero seeming motivation must require complex emotions and ideologies, which, if Kinderheim had been successful at creating the perfect soldier, they should have been incapable of. |
| I wonder if Johan wasn't evil from the start. That bastard was abusing Dieter, and he was talking about Kinderheim like he was some sort of a saint. |
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| the slow pace is killing me. Everything was moving fast in the first 8 episodes, and now the plot is barely moving. |
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