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oh and you want a strong LOLI char. try Fu from samuri champloo

shes strong and opionated yet still helpless

and from the other club
http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=135

these are perfectly acceptable
http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?action=view&t=pic&id=135&pid=1232
http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?action=view&t=pic&id=135&pid=1233
http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?action=view&t=pic&id=135&pid=1234
http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?action=view&t=pic&id=135&pid=1235
http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?action=view&t=pic&id=135&pid=1237
http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?action=view&t=pic&id=135&pid=1238


this one? well IDK where she got those but she still looks sweet and innocent
http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?action=view&t=pic&id=135&pid=857

all of you must remember that we are all dealing in drawings from a culture where the age of sexual emancipation is 13. and also a culture that is dominated by men, where women who are being fondled on the train dont speek out, for fear of shame.

also the pantie shots are a daily thing in japanese schools, if you tried to ware a skirt that short, you would have trouble not showing your naughty bits.

WOW i think i shut everyone up.

sorry for the multi post :-(

Well that being ur 5th consequent post must hope broken quite the few common forum rules. And well "daily thing".....

*moves to anime discussion*
cloudrayne I appreciate your input but try not to quintuple post plz? ^^

The ironic thing here is that while Kopanda started the whole ALA business, I can actually respect his opinion although I think he should change the name of his club.

I don't really appreciate having the SOL Brigade being called a club that supports illegal activity though.

Let me put it this way. When I started the SOL Brigade I uploaded only one pic, and that's the main pic of imouto from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. Since then I have allowed the members to freely post their own pics, and almost all of them are completely innocent. I've only had to remove a few pics...about 5 including today, but not due to sexual content but only due to poor quality (one pic was completed slanted >_>) or the fact that it did not depict loli. The fact that I have not had to censor any distasteful images says something about our members. I don't feel that I should have to delete a few pictures that are a bit on the PG-13 side just so we can be PC to a bunch of haters. seriously guys, stop hatin'

tbh most of the pictures you guys posted really have nothing wrong with them...just a big fuss is being made because some underwear is showing? gimme a break. I don't feel that I should have to defend our pics, but this is just absurd:


there is absolutely nothing wrong with the first pic. I find it a very cute picture but if you don't like it that's a matter of taste.

the second pic is also not sexual. watch ichigo mashimaro and you'll understand the context.

and now that I've taken a look at the pics you posted, Chelle, there's nothing wrong with 2 of those either. The first is a child on a bed doing things like eating candy. The third one is Fate Testarossa in bloomers, which is worn by Japanese students in gym class. he second one I feel is not loli and was simply posted cuz it's suggestive so I have removed it.

Also I extended the invitation to the other club because simply because I felt that they would like lolis as well, since the name of their club was Loliland. Once again there is no need to jump to conclusions that we would support every single one of their pictures, since we're still two separate clubs.

and rofl I posted that loli Bible demotivational poster because I thought it was hilarious. Once again, there's nothing actually wrong with that picture, you guys are just getting all anal and PC about everything.

I don't think you guys understand what pedophilia is. These pics that you nay-sayers deem is kiddie porn are pics that we find either very cute or hilarious. I'll say it again, you guys wanna see what really happens when lolicon goes wrong, go give 7chan a visit.

this thread has also strayed quite a bit from its original direction. We're not here to attack/defend the SOL Brigade people. We're discussing lolis in general. Yes SOL has to do with lolis but calling us pedophiles and such will inevitably cause this thread to disintegrate into a flame war like it does on ANN as I and _Sakura_ have witnessed numerous times when it comes to this touchy subject.

I don't think I ever once in my posts called you or any of your members pedophiles, hun. I wouldn't do that. I have known you and many of your members on these forums long enough to know better. I simply stated that I think some of the pictures allowed go against your "mission statement" and might defeat the purpose of what you think lolis should be represented as.

And PC? It's not a matter of PC. I have what would be considered "loli" age children, or at least they were, in the recent past. And those are poses/pics I wouldn't have wanted THEM to take at the age of 12-14. Just because these characters are not IRL, doesn't mean they shouldn't be tasteful. Imagine that they were your daughters IRL... at loli age... would you want them posing as such? Just something to take into consideration when determining what you want to represent as "loli".

I've seen young children dressed like that. Heck, there are even miniskirts for toddlers.

Anyway, I do like loli characters. They're just so cute and fun. And it's not like they're always quiet and weak. I don't hope for any form of sexualization. When I see such revealing images/scenes or anything implying lolicon, I think nothing of it. Usually, I laugh if it's something comedic. And when I see people admire such images/scenes, I usually think that they're just admiring artwork and character rather than having dirty thoughts. Maybe I'm just too optimistic. Whatever.

My adoration of the Sakura in my sig shall always be just that.

Well now I'm just gonna post defending lolis in general. I think you, Chelle, out of all people, should be supportive of lolis as well, as a mother of three daughters you should be one to cherish innocence in all people, especially children.

Some ppl carry this love for innocence into their lovelife, so they'd prefer more childlike partners that exuberate the essence of innocence. I can speak for this perspective since my previous girlfriend was often called by her friends as "childlike" and "innocent". If she was in an anime she'd definitely be loli ^-^. She was only a month younger than me though so that doesn't make me a pedo >_>.

Basically, when we say "childlike" characters, we mean it in every sense of the word. Childlike characters are not necessarily children either. Yoshinoya-sensei of Hidamari Sketch look like a child, but she's a teacher who's at least 20...i think. lol. So when this happens (and in anime it happens quite often), there's nothing illegal about slightly suggestive depictions of them. However, this is not to say everyone would necessarily be attracted to these, as not everyone looks for signs of youth in characters they like, but some people do, and there's nothign wrong with it.

and as Asrialys says, in many situations in anime, there is comedic value in having lolis in "suggestive" situations.

Finally, in response to the complaint that lolis are depicted as weak females, I say there are just as many strong-willed lolis as weak ones, just like there are as many strong women as weak women. Crystal and cloudrayne have already posted some examples, but the best example I can think of currently is Tsugumi Shibata of Jigoku Shoujo. Such a smart and witty girl...she is ^^ (Ai Enma is another good example from Jigoku Shoujo)

This somehow turned into a SOL-ANTISOL thread while it should be a discussion about the term loli but ok...

So...
I honestly I always seen SOL as a group of loli (child-like charater) fanboys.. (if I'm allowed that expression - and kind of using the conception of a show being automaticly good if it has lolis in it, and if it's just lolis and nothing else, even better. and I'm generalizing...)...Fact is I really never cared since I don't like lolis in general, and I don't like "loli shows" and therefore I hardly watch them. There are of course exceptions to both.. I liked Yuki (only 'coz of her wierd personaliy) and I liked Suzumiya (the show) and intend to watch Higurashi.

Eitherway... don't see anything wrong with liking lolis (child-like charater). if that's just it... ( though I definitely don't agree/like all this loli hype going around....)
But if SOL doesn't want people to think otherwise then there should be some control over those pictures that are uploaded for example..
Delete them.. (that is possible isn't it?) If it's not then Xinil should create that feature.

Like it has been said there's a thin, very thin line, between "liking lolis (child-like charater)" and all the rest, and some of those pictures posted (not all) have crossed that line IMO.

I do support child-like innocence in characters, and I love it when it's done tastefully. That's all I've been trying to say. Ellis in "El Cazador de Bruja", Kisa in "Fruits Basket", Nagi in "Hayte the Combat Butler"... these are all "loli" characters that I love and can stand behind and they are portrayed as "innocence" (although Nagi can be a lil' firecracker)... but anyway... I'm done trying to make my point, as it doesn't seem that anyone is understanding what I'm trying to say.

(I still <3 ya kei =P)

mm ^^, that's exactly what we're all about. If you look at the rest of our pictures you'll see that we support this vision more than anything. As you can see, characters like Nagi wind up on my favorites list.

I hope this clears up any misconceptions of what SOL is about. ^^

I do understand what you're saying and agree with it Chelle. And I also thought and still think that's what SOL is about, like Kei stated. And from what I know of the SOL founders I can't say otherwise.
Although you do seem like fanboys at times :P (and I'm not saying that in an offensive manner) ... but we still love ya ^_^

*cough*bullcrap*cough*

Childlike characters with pornographic-like poses are just sick imo....

'This club celebrates the awesomeness of lolis. This DOES NOT mean we're pedophiles (a horribly common misconception). It is a sad thing in today's society that loving "children" is automatically linked to pedophilia...but instead in this club we simply appreciate the beauty of childhood innocence, kinda like Catcher in the Rye.'

Sexually suggestive panty shots of little girls is still sexually suggestive panty shots of little girls no matter how many times you label it "innocence of little children." From your statement I have to say you are being completely hypocritical. You can say what you want about them I don't really care.

I've never liked loli characters in anime; although I don't mind dolled up women that look a little childish. Hell that is what loli is really about. No little girl I have EVER seen in my life runs around in little maid like dresses complete with frills.

Loli is love, make love not war. <3

:>

i thought the SOL debate was done? are we gonna talk about lolis or what?

QFT ZoiQ. lolis ftw~

since kopanda has not replied I'm going to paste what I posted on his wall here, so I can clarify the difference between "loli" and "moe"



those little maid costumes with frills and all are callled MOE, not loli. get your terms straight before you start attacking plz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fashion

We should just archieve the posts and show them to the other 20.000 people who will hate on stuff they don't know about.

*Q'sFT what the SOL members said*