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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
73 67.59%
4 out of 5: Liked it
 
21 19.44%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
7 6.48%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
1 0.93%
1 out of 5: Hated it
 
6 5.56%
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03-15-12, 7:33 PM

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A lot of unaswered question and ridiculous things. The 2 assassins not killing Hamdo is SO STUPID, after getting there and with Hamdo 2 meters away are you are really going to let him live and run for your life? It was obviously a suicide mission to begin with. It doesn't make any sense.
Or question like, why is Hamdo so crazy?, why is Abelia so incredible loyal?, the convenient machine that let's them travel to another world or is it another time, why not use that machine to gather resources like water or fuel?, what happened to the world?, who or what is Lala Ru linving thousand of years. NOTHING is explained, they just put random terrible things together without any kind of explanation. I don't understand how so many people say it is so good. 4/10
 
04-19-12, 8:06 AM

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i haven't commented on any of the other eps, the reason being, i marathoned the S**t out of this, literally all done in one sitting aside from toilet breaks and food. This series was amazing for me, brilliant plot-line, great characters, emotional, shock factor, action, crazy ass leader.... I couldn't have asked for me... well actually, I wish it would have been longer to tie up a few things but apart from that, very much a 9 and earning a spot in my favourites!
 
04-21-12, 4:31 PM

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Finally got around to watching this classic. I can certainly feel the flair of 90s anime here with solid story telling and great direction. While I must commend the creators for the heavy message and dark mood, I've also got to say that for such an approach a much more realistic handling would have been necessary. Shu winning fights with a wooden stick against guns? Over and over? Seriously? The 2 assassins failing in their attempt at Hamdo's life? Ridiculous! In a non-anime-environment a character like Shu would not have lived long enough to even make one of his generic speeches. "Everything will turn out well, I promise" - really? I really couldn't come to like his character, it seemed so stereotypical and uncalled for with such a dark story. There were also quite a few questions left unadressed that I felt were rather important, one being Abelia's loyalty (or rather devotion) for such a creep. Some things were just so convenient, simply to make the story run for 13 episodes. Having said all that, I was weirdly fascinated by the show and watched it in a single day. However, I can't really say that I enjoyed it. Important message but somewhat lackluster execution in the details. The series could not transcend its anime-origin - which I feel it needed to in order to fully succeed.
 
05-14-12, 8:13 PM

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Watching Hamdo got beaten by a wooden stick made this series worth it for me.
 
06-28-12, 10:52 PM

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That ending was really sad I thought, lala-ru just vanished away and asked if her and Shu can watch the sunset again someday :'(
 
07-14-12, 3:37 AM

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Such a beautiful, strong, and meaningful ending to this anime! I really loved the sense of closure with the death of Hamdo and Sara finding peace with herself!
I would definitely give a 10 for the last three episodes and an 8 for the whole anime
 
07-23-12, 2:55 PM

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What a wonderful anime! Watching the first episode I never expected that the series could become so sad, cruel and cynical.

The story is nothing special but the interaction between the characters and the realism of the events have been really well done!

I think the end is right, for Sara to return to the earth would have been embarrassing and complicated after all that suffering, but mainly because of being pregnant and Shu finally was able to go home and try to live a normal life.

One of the few series that I will hardly forget. 9/10
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09-27-12, 2:57 AM

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Why Lalaru die?!!!!.....Why Sara not going back to earth?

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Watching Hamdo got beaten by a wooden stick made this series worth it for me.

Yeah, F*cking insane Hamdo beaten to crap by wooden stick and drown to death......
 
10-04-12, 10:40 AM

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What a wonderful anime! Watching the first episode I never expected that the series could become so sad, cruel and cynical.

The story is nothing special but the interaction between the characters and the realism of the events have been really well done!

I think the end is right, for Sara to return to the earth would have been embarrassing and complicated after all that suffering, but mainly because of being pregnant and Shu finally was able to go home and try to live a normal life.

One of the few series that I will hardly forget. 9/10


Its a few months later, but I just want to say that Saras decision was retarded, why not take those kids to our world so they can actually live decent lives and not die of starvation in the desert, or where she will die from childbirth complications in a cave.

Also so she never wants to go home and see her parents who are probably destroyed by the fact that she will just dissapear?

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
10-06-12, 1:13 PM

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I didn't like the ending at all, it destroyed what the series achieved. First off they make a point of making Sara's psychological after-rape state as realistic as possible, then in like 5 seconds she self cures herself and finds enlightenment. A woman her age in her condition would be very unlikely to keep the child, or being able to take care of it anyway, she would need heavy psychological counselling after that not more responsabilities. Also, why would she stay in a chaotic land with ex melitias running loose rather than return to her obviously worried parents. I'm also really pissed at the obortion deal, it felt like conservative christian crap to me, it's like they outright said to her that decent people don't have abortions.

Then there's Abelia, really! It is almost impossible that she wouldn't be executed, but I guess since Sara being a reborn saint and getting appointed as commander and chief she gives the orders now. And with all the crap she did should she be spared?

I also found all the heroic sacrifices they did to pass the trash of the cast as decent characters annoying. Sara's rapist redeems himself because deep down he's really a good person; what a load! Yeah sure, he's the kind of guy you want dating your daughter. Some scenes were just utterly stupid.

Off course the series had more than just the ending as a weak point, having a shounen hero didn't help either. Don't get me wrong I like shounens, I love them actually, but some genres just don't mix and a gripping realistic depiction of the horrors of war in a post-apocalyptic land DOES NOT need Naruto as the lead. Then there was the character focus, seriously, the boring shounen lead gets almost all of the screen time when the focus should have really been on Sara: she was the best character right up until the final episode. Though to be honest I wasn't too fond on how our shounen lead's speech saved her from depression; heck psychiatry is overrated, you don't need an expert to anylize you for years to help you pass your post-kidnapping/rape/impregnation trauma, all you need is an idealistic teen to give you the shounen "never give up" rethoric.

In retrospect I liked the series (7/10) but I would have preferred to love it and I honestly can't. Don't get me wrong, a 7 is plenty from me, it means I not only liked it but will re-watch it one day. But it also means the series as it share of flaws.
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11-02-12, 3:52 AM

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Disappointing really, everyone expecting Sara to keep the baby repulsed me and I would've liked to see that world die. Too many random things that don't make sense either and too much crap thrown together. Overrated and bad imo.

That being said, Lala Ru disappearing was a nice tough, sad, but nice.
 
11-02-12, 4:08 AM

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Xirad said:
I was rather disappointed in the anime as a whole. I mean, almost all of the reviews I had read of it spoke of it's thought provoking look at war and how it was a depressing look at the world, etc. etc. Yet that part of the story rarely affected me like that at all.

As for the ending, I think it was more suited for the opening quote that you saw throughout the entire anime. All of the time he spent in that world, the relationships he built, how easily destroyed they were. Like his stick he had with him. It stuck with him throughout the entire series, and then... just like that... it was gone. I mean, I don't know about anyone else, but I probably felt more attached to that stick than to anyone else in the story. I felt like there was little effort to forge a connection between the watcher and the characters. Sure some of them I felt a twinge towards when they died, but all in all it was just a "oh, looks like they're done for."

All in all, I gave it a 7/10.


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11-13-12, 7:00 PM

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I can't say the thought "man these last few episodes sure have been rushed" ever popped up in my head. The series was insanely well paced, with nearly every scene having some sort of importance from establishing character traits, to building on it's themes. Really, this series puts up a incredibly solid argument for one of the best directed series I've seen.

Anyway, yeah, in 13 episodes this series covered a lot of bases. Violence begets more violence and hope are probably the two themes I'll take away from this. I'll never forget Lala-ru telling Shu that everywhere she goes she is used and fought over and then that exact thing is what happens in the finale episodes. Sara deciding to keep the baby, a long with her protecting the children while escaping the ship, shows a remarkable about of growth and maturation and it didn't even need words. I get the feeling she'll take Sis' place as a sort of authority figure.

Seeing Shu beating Hamdo with the stick, and breaking it to pieces, was oddly carthartic....as was Abelia watching him as he drowned. She seemed sort of....indifferent to it which peaked my interest. And, I loved the scene with her going "i guess my job is done" to turn to Sara smiling at her.

The scene between Shu and Lala-ru with her disappearing was sweet, though maybe I'd have liked just a bit more to that. I did like him looking at the water tower where they first met, it could have meant so many things and was a pretty effective closing shot.

The only main character's ending I have much of an issue with is Nabuca. Not that he died, and I liked his scene with Shu, but I just feel there could have been "more" to it. I reckon he was my favorite character, so I just wish he'd gotten "more".

Anyway, I'll cut it off there. I found it to be a great series, that was clearly one of the very best I've seen and will land on any top anime lists I make. The only real issue I have with the show is that it didn't add a whole of context to some characters most notably, I'd like to know how Abelia came to follow Hamdo so loyally.

9/10, series like this remind me why I love anime. No, no just that, good stories period.

Edit: Also, I think a lot of people's complaints is directly related to how the series takes a "show don't tell" kind of approach. Like I said in regards to Sara, and this applies to most characters even Shu, alot of their development is shown by their actions. Another great example is how empty and off guard Nabuca as a result of seeing Boo get shot, was when he was shot, along with his wanting to trust his friend.
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01-19-13, 9:20 AM

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Great ending, I thought that it would be like this already but still seeing it was quite nice, LalaRu used her last powers to make the world a new again, destroying the evil within the progress... she's still alive in the water...

The decision Sara made was quite nice and it seems she can pull trough if she keeps on and does what Shu has said to her.

Shu made it back to his place with all the adventure and memories the only action now is to fight on... and who knows maybe he did won the match the other day and asked the girl out!

Great anime in general, quite dramatic but a great story development 8/10!
 
04-17-13, 1:58 AM

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The way they handled Sara's psychological trauma was appalling (We didn't need any of that pro-life crap) and Shu is an awful lead to watch. This show so it gets a 7/10 from me and that's being generous.
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04-22-13, 9:10 PM

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maidoftime said:
The way they handled Sara's psychological trauma was appalling (We didn't need any of that pro-life crap) and Shu is an awful lead to watch. This show so it gets a 7/10 from me and that's being generous.

I feel kinda the same way, my problem wasn't with Sara keeping the child though; if she had decided to have the baby on her own then I would have been fine with it and would have admired her strength/conviction. But they outright bullied her into keeping it, the show was 5 seconds short of having someone scream "Decent people don't have abortions!". It became shameful after a while.

I also don't get how staying in a ravaged war zone with ex militias on the loose and little to no medical assistance, let alone protection, is a good idea for a traumatized pregnant teenage war victim. Maybe that's just me though.
 
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