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11-04-08, 1:53 PM

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This argument itself is pointless seeing as how FSN has power balances between characters and an overall depth to its fights and character abilities while Bleach is a typical shounen fighter where everyone does the same thing and they all just swing at each other until one of them uses an ability starts swinging again and the battle ends. Without giving facts (like i am giving) u wont be able to successfully argue on behalf of Bleach.
Zatoichi said:
Ketuekigami said:
Zatoichi said:
Ketue said:
Archer: What Revillo said plus he uses Rho Aias (a spiritual shield with the defensive power of 7 fortresses) to block all attacks while he finishes his chant.


Aizen Could beat him with his inescapable Hadou (Black Coffin) once you get caught in it, you can never escape unharmed (even if it was incomplete there is a possibility of Death)


first Aizen will have to dodge an arrow shot at mach 13 that pierces through any defense and follows its target until it hits (Hrunting). Archer would never get up close to start a battle so he'd keep a distance of a few 100 miles away.And no matter the attack Aizen throws he'll have to get through Rho Aias which wouldnt be easy.



But Aizen's Zampaktou is complete hypnosis, if it's released archer won't know who is the real or the Fake Aizen & if Archer falls in Aizen's trap he will be defeated
Aizen might as well be somewhere watching the fight & he allows Archer to win (though illusion or complete hypnosis)
but just when Archer thought he won, K.O
Aizen wins.


I dont think u know that magi naturally have high resistance against hypnosis magic and others that affect the senses so Aizens zanpakuto wouldnt have any effect. And this is especially relevant for Archer who uses magic to enhance his eyes so any senses altering abilities wouldnt have any effect on him.

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Zatoichi said:
Ketue said: said:


Caster: Caster says one word and suspends them in time than uses rule breaker to break there shinigami contract and turn them back into a normal dead soul.

Tousen can handle her with his Bankai, Caster will be in Tousen's Bankai & he will beat her in just a few moments. (unless she's faster than him, but I don't think so)

it depends, Caster can cast her spell before he finishes saying "bankai" and once she casts a spell he could be shot through the chest like a gun or frozen in time.


well maybe, cause Tousen is stupid & slow
& he wastes his time in pointless talking


thats the flaw of the Bleach characters, they'll be attacked and killed when the opponent gets annoyed by them talking for a half hour :P

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Ketue said: said:


Lancer: uses Gea Bolg to one shot anyone, no exeptions!!!


Lancer would be like an ant compared to Zaraki.


the only way he could is if Zaraki didnt have a heart. but since he does Lancer can easly 1 shot him. And Lancer is the fastest servent so he can at least keep up wityh Zaraki and since Gae Bolg bends reality Lancer doesnt even have to aim to hit him.


maybe he doesn't have a heart, the guy gets stabbed hundred's of times but he still doesn't die plus have u seen the way he defeated tousen?
he allowed tousen to stab him thus holding his zampaktou & then he sliced tousen resulting in his defeat.


thats the thing about Lancers spear, it is cursed and is destined to pierce the heart no matter what which is why its considered the best noble phantasm for 1 on 1 combat.

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Gilgumesh: Gilgumesh uses Enkidu (an unbreakable chain used to tie up the gods) to immobilize anyone than fires thousands of noble phantasms at them. Or he uses Enuma Elish to destroy time and space and one shot anyone.


Captain Commander Yamamoto can beat him
with his released Zampaktu, Ryuujin Jakka consumes him and the surrounding area in inescapable flames which would result in the destruction of the chains & if the Captain decides to use his Bankai, he would have a possibility of Beating him. (it is hard to guess the final result).


I dont think u know how powerful Gil is. Enkudo wont break by fire... and Enuma Elish destroys time and space and is famed to have split heaven and earth, i dont think anyone from Bleach could survive it. And Gil can continuously fire thousands of weapons at him which all have abilities like draining all the power from the one it hits or destroy buildings in one shot.


I Know how strong Gil is
& this was a wasted argument in the first place


but i like arguing ;_ ;

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Zatoichi said:
Ketue said: said:


Saber: uses Avalon to stop any possible attack then uses Excalibur to blow them away.


can she stop a Thousand Blades (senbonzakura kageyoshi) even if she could, byakuya would trap her with his high level kidō spells & He is adept at using them strategically (he would stop her movement, disrupt her abilities) so he would eventually beat her.
Hitsugaya can beat her as well using his bankai, by trapping her in an Ice Cold prison, where she would freeze & then she would be vulnerable thus not unable to defend her self.


yes she can stop thousands of blades and as a matter of fact anything anyone can do against her ever, not just Bleach characters but any character from any anime. Avalon is a perfect impenetrable defense.


Shit!! you Fate Freak!!
but I know someone from One Piece that can beat her.


hey i know what i like and i know facts win arguments XD
I hope ur not talking about someone that can get past Avalon cuz thats impossible.

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Berserker: Immune to all phisical attackes by a Bleach character due to God Hand and can cut them in half with one swing. He is also fast as lightning and can get close to anyone in seconds.


if he is immune to all Physical attacks, then non other than Mayuri can beat him,
Because if Mayuri uses his Bankai, Berserker would be poisoned thus eventually die (plus the Poison has NO antidote even his Master can't do anything) & Mayuri would easily escape assuming he got a serious injury from Berserker
(using his Zampaktu) he will stab himself turning into some kind of liquid which can not be attacked in any way.


You know u just paired up one of the weakest captains against THE strongest servant. And for his zanpakto to poison it has to scratch Berserker first but thats not possible. And Berserker is strong enough to kill his bankai with just regular attacks, ya he's that strong... and i dought that a poison that even Uryuu can get over would seriously effect Berserker. And he'd have to kill Berserker 12 times with this poison (if it could even kill him) without bieng killed himself.


Uryuu got over it because nemu gave him the antidote
& mayuri's poison will spread in the air, Berserker has to breath air!!
everytime berserker dies, he wakes up, he inhales the poison & dies over & over & over
till he truly dies.


unless the poison kills instantaneously (which i doubt it) it wont stop Berserker from attacking because his Mad Enhancement from being a berserker class causes him to be insanely strong and lose all reason thus making him continue fighting until he dies. It would only take one Strike from Berserker to destroy his bankai and that one strike could happen in less then a sec seeing as he can strike 100 times in less than 3 sec.

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one last thing
you forgot something important & that is Shynpo (A high level technique that a Captain level can use efficiently (Lightening Step) which gives them the advantage of speed over F/S N characters

im not taking that into account cuz theirs no speed specified for it, its just one of those shounen things that everyone can do. I know how fast FSN characters can be and without facts its impossible to say who is faster since FSN characters, even non servants, are faster than u think.

Saber's maximum speed + command spell boost is Mach 13.2. Archer's arrows should be just as fast, Rin can move 100 meters in 7 seconds using reinforcement. Kotomine (when running in a forest carrying Ilya) can do 50km/h. Shirou, with Archer's arm, can run similar speeds. Lancer's hurled Gae Bolg is around Mach 2, at 40 kilo distance, Pegasus moves at 400~500km/h, and Bazett's right straight is 80km/h.
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11-04-08, 1:59 PM

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Ketuekigami said:
This argument itself is pointless seeing as how FSN has power balances between characters and an overall depth to its fights and character abilities while Bleach is a typical shounen fighter where everyone does the same thing and they all just swing at each other until one of them uses an ability starts swinging again and the battle ends. Without giving facts like i am giving u wont be able to successfullt argue on behalf of Bleach.
Zatoichi said:
Ketuekigami said:
Zatoichi said:
Ketue said:
Archer: What Revillo said plus he uses Rho Aias (a spiritual shield with the defensive power of 7 fortresses) to block all attacks while he finishes his chant.


Aizen Could beat him with his inescapable Hadou (Black Coffin) once you get caught in it, you can never escape unharmed (even if it was incomplete there is a possibility of Death)


first Aizen will have to dodge an arrow shot at mach 13 that pierces through any defense and follows its target until it hits (Hrunting). Archer would never get up close to start a battle so he'd keep a distance of a few 100 miles away.And no matter the attack Aizen throws he'll have to get through Rho Aias which wouldnt be easy.



But Aizen's Zampaktou is complete hypnosis, if it's released archer won't know who is the real or the Fake Aizen & if Archer falls in Aizen's trap he will be defeated
Aizen might as well be somewhere watching the fight & he allows Archer to win (though illusion or complete hypnosis)
but just when Archer thought he won, K.O
Aizen wins.


I dont think u know that magi naturally have high resistance against hypnosis magic and others that affect the senses so Aizens zanpakuto wouldnt have any effect. And this is especially relevant for Archer who uses magic to enhance his eyes so any senses altering abilities wouldnt have any effect on him.

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Caster: Caster says one word and suspends them in time than uses rule breaker to break there shinigami contract and turn them back into a normal dead soul.

Tousen can handle her with his Bankai, Caster will be in Tousen's Bankai & he will beat her in just a few moments. (unless she's faster than him, but I don't think so)

it depends, Caster can cast her spell before he finishes saying "bankai" and once she casts a spell he could be shot through the chest like a gun or frozen in time.


well maybe, cause Tousen is stupid & slow
& he wastes his time in pointless talking


thats the flaw of the Bleach characters, they'll be attacked and killed when the opponent gets annoyed by them talking for a half hour :P

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Ketue said: said:


Lancer: uses Gea Bolg to one shot anyone, no exeptions!!!


Lancer would be like an ant compared to Zaraki.


the only way he could is if Zaraki didnt have a heart. but since he does Lancer can easly 1 shot him. And Lancer is the fastest servent so he can at least keep up wityh Zaraki and since Gae Bolg bends reality Lancer doesnt even have to aim to hit him.


maybe he doesn't have a heart, the guy gets stabbed hundred's of times but he still doesn't die plus have u seen the way he defeated tousen?
he allowed tousen to stab him thus holding his zampaktou & then he sliced tousen resulting in his defeat.


thats the thing about Lancers spear, it is cursed and is destined to pierce the heart no matter what which is why its considered the best noble phantasm for 1 on 1 combat.

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Ketue said: said:


Gilgumesh: Gilgumesh uses Enkidu (an unbreakable chain used to tie up the gods) to immobilize anyone than fires thousands of noble phantasms at them. Or he uses Enuma Elish to destroy time and space and one shot anyone.


Captain Commander Yamamoto can beat him
with his released Zampaktu, Ryuujin Jakka consumes him and the surrounding area in inescapable flames which would result in the destruction of the chains & if the Captain decides to use his Bankai, he would have a possibility of Beating him. (it is hard to guess the final result).


I dont think u know how powerful Gil is. Enkudo wont break by fire... and Enuma Elish destroys time and space and is famed to have split heaven and earth, i dont think anyone from Bleach could survive it. And Gil can continuously fire thousands of weapons at him which all have abilities like draining all the power from the one it hits or destroy buildings in one shot.


I Know how strong Gil is
& this was a wasted argument in the first place

but i like arguing ;_ ;

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Ketue said: said:


Saber: uses Avalon to stop any possible attack then uses Excalibur to blow them away.


can she stop a Thousand Blades (senbonzakura kageyoshi) even if she could, byakuya would trap her with his high level kidō spells & He is adept at using them strategically (he would stop her movement, disrupt her abilities) so he would eventually beat her.
Hitsugaya can beat her as well using his bankai, by trapping her in an Ice Cold prison, where she would freeze & then she would be vulnerable thus not unable to defend her self.


yes she can stop thousands of blades and as a matter of fact anything anyone can do against her ever, not just Bleach characters but any character from any anime. Avalon is a perfect impenetrable defense.


Shit!! you Fate Freak!!
but I know someone from One Piece that can beat her.

hey i know what i like and i know facts win arguments XD
I hope ur not talking about someone that can get past Avalon cuz thats impossible.

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Zatoichi said:
Ketue said: said:


Berserker: Immune to all phisical attackes by a Bleach character due to God Hand and can cut them in half with one swing. He is also fast as lightning and can get close to anyone in seconds.


if he is immune to all Physical attacks, then non other than Mayuri can beat him,
Because if Mayuri uses his Bankai, Berserker would be poisoned thus eventually die (plus the Poison has NO antidote even his Master can't do anything) & Mayuri would easily escape assuming he got a serious injury from Berserker
(using his Zampaktu) he will stab himself turning into some kind of liquid which can not be attacked in any way.


You know u just paired up one of the weakest captains against THE strongest servant. And for his zanpakto to poison it has to scratch Berserker first but thats not possible. And Berserker is strong enough to kill his bankai with just regular attacks, ya he's that strong... and i dought that a poison that even Uryuu can get over would seriously effect Berserker. And he'd have to kill Berserker 12 times with this poison (if it could even kill him) without bieng killed himself.


Uryuu got over it because nemu gave him the antidote
& mayuri's poison will spread in the air, Berserker has to breath air!!
everytime berserker dies, he wakes up, he inhales the poison & dies over & over & over
till he truly dies.

unless the poison kills instantaneously (which i doubt it) it wont stop Berserker from attacking because his Mad Enhancement from being a berserker class causes him to be insanely strong and lose all reason thus making him continue fighting until he dies. It would only take one Strike from Berserker to destroy his bankai and that one strike could happen in less then a sec seeing as he can strike 100 times in less than 3 sec.

[Zatochi=quote]one last thing
you forgot something important & that is Shynpo (A high level technique that a Captain level can use efficiently (Lightening Step) which gives them the advantage of speed over F/S N characters

im not taking that into account cuz theirs no speed specified for it, its just one of those shounen things that everyone can do. I know how fast FSN characters can be and without facts its impossible to say who is faster since FSN characters, even non servants, are faster than u think.

Saber's maximum speed + command spell boost is Mach 13.2. Archer's arrows should be just as fast, Rin can move 100 meters in 7 seconds using reinforcement. Kotomine (when running in a forest carrying Ilya) can do 50km/h. Shirou, with Archer's arm, can run similar speeds. Lancer's hurled Gae Bolg is around Mach 2, at 40 kilo distance, Pegasus moves at 400~500km/h, and Bazett's right straight is 80km/h.

Fate Addict DAMN U xD
hehe I love disagreeing
Aizen can beat Lancer though & another captain can beat Assasin (you've got to admit not all F/S characters are going to win, some Bleach Captains also can)
But if Bleach can't beat F/S then One Piece could
I KNOW IT COULD!!
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11-04-08, 2:17 PM

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Zatoichi said:


Fate Addict DAMN U xD
hehe I love disagreeing
Aizen can beat Lancer though & another captain can beat Assasin (you've got to admit not all F/S characters are going to win, some Bleach Captains also can)
But if Bleach can't beat F/S then One Piece could
I KNOW IT COULD!!

i know im a "TRUE FAN" XP

I know some bleach captains are overpowered but without playing the FSN VN its impossible to gauge the servants true power. Lancer (and all the servants) is far more powerful than what was shown in the anime and if he had a proper master he could have even been the winner of the war.

Servants are by definition the strongest beings that ever existed in fact or fiction so u cant take them lightly. They are the strongest ppl that ever lived and they have powers beyond knowledge from the time where gods ruled the world and mythical beasts lived.

Assassin is the only servant i know would probably lose... but if they get into a skilled sword fight (which would most likely happen) Assassin would win. He is far more skilled than any bleach character and the power of Tsubame Gaeshi is beyond their understanding.

from how far i saw OP they wouldnt have a chance and i dont think they've gotten to DBZ status so i doubt they can match servants. But plz tell me so i can prove u wrong :P
but this is Bleach vs FSN so keep it short.
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Ketuekigami said:
Zatoichi said:


Fate Addict DAMN U xD
hehe I love disagreeing
Aizen can beat Lancer though & another captain can beat Assasin (you've got to admit not all F/S characters are going to win, some Bleach Captains also can)
But if Bleach can't beat F/S then One Piece could
I KNOW IT COULD!!

i know im a "TRUE FAN" XP

I know some bleach captains are overpowered but without playing the FSN VN its impossible to gauge the servants true power. Lancer (and all the servants) is far more powerful than what was shown in the anime and if he had a proper master he could have even been the winner of the war.

Servants are by definition the strongest beings that ever existed in fact or fiction so u cant take them lightly. They are the strongest ppl that ever lived and they have powers beyond knowledge from the time where gods ruled the world and mythical beasts lived.

Assassin is the only servant i know would probably lose... but if they get into a skilled sword fight (which would most likely happen) Assassin would win. He is far more skilled than any bleach character and the power of Tsubame Gaeshi is beyond their understanding.

from how far i saw OP they wouldnt have a chance and i dont think they've gotten to DBZ status so i doubt they can match servants. But plz tell me so i can prove u wrong :P
but this is Bleach vs FSN so keep it short.


Devil Fruits is the answer my nemesis, for example: how can lancer beat Ace, if ace gets hit he'll dissolve into fire, he can not be hit with physical attack so lancer would burn.

anyway I have only watched the anime F/S Night
what do I watch/read next?
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Zatoichi said:
Ketuekigami said:
Zatoichi said:


Fate Addict DAMN U xD
hehe I love disagreeing
Aizen can beat Lancer though & another captain can beat Assasin (you've got to admit not all F/S characters are going to win, some Bleach Captains also can)
But if Bleach can't beat F/S then One Piece could
I KNOW IT COULD!!

i know im a "TRUE FAN" XP

I know some bleach captains are overpowered but without playing the FSN VN its impossible to gauge the servants true power. Lancer (and all the servants) is far more powerful than what was shown in the anime and if he had a proper master he could have even been the winner of the war.

Servants are by definition the strongest beings that ever existed in fact or fiction so u cant take them lightly. They are the strongest ppl that ever lived and they have powers beyond knowledge from the time where gods ruled the world and mythical beasts lived.

Assassin is the only servant i know would probably lose... but if they get into a skilled sword fight (which would most likely happen) Assassin would win. He is far more skilled than any bleach character and the power of Tsubame Gaeshi is beyond their understanding.

from how far i saw OP they wouldnt have a chance and i dont think they've gotten to DBZ status so i doubt they can match servants. But plz tell me so i can prove u wrong :P
but this is Bleach vs FSN so keep it short.


Devil Fruits is the answer my nemesis, for example: how can lancer beat Ace, if ace gets hit he'll dissolve into fire, he can not be hit with physical attack so lancer would burn.

anyway I have only watched the anime F/S Night
what do I watch/read next?

Ive never seen Ace fight but just saying what would happen like "if ace gets hit he'll dissolve into fire" doesnt help. u need to tell me what his ability is and does and then i'll prove u wrong :P

i tell everyone whose seen the anime to play the original game. if ur good with comp u can figure out how to torrent and install successfully (alot of ppl have problems with this game). But otherwise u can buy the game like i did *cough $100 cough*, but even then its worth the money and anyone whose played it would agree with me.
And if u play it u can finally understand what me and Faker talk bout all the time XD
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Ketuekigami said:
Zatoichi said:
Ketuekigami said:
Zatoichi said:


Fate Addict DAMN U xD
hehe I love disagreeing
Aizen can beat Lancer though & another captain can beat Assasin (you've got to admit not all F/S characters are going to win, some Bleach Captains also can)
But if Bleach can't beat F/S then One Piece could
I KNOW IT COULD!!

i know im a "TRUE FAN" XP

I know some bleach captains are overpowered but without playing the FSN VN its impossible to gauge the servants true power. Lancer (and all the servants) is far more powerful than what was shown in the anime and if he had a proper master he could have even been the winner of the war.

Servants are by definition the strongest beings that ever existed in fact or fiction so u cant take them lightly. They are the strongest ppl that ever lived and they have powers beyond knowledge from the time where gods ruled the world and mythical beasts lived.

Assassin is the only servant i know would probably lose... but if they get into a skilled sword fight (which would most likely happen) Assassin would win. He is far more skilled than any bleach character and the power of Tsubame Gaeshi is beyond their understanding.

from how far i saw OP they wouldnt have a chance and i dont think they've gotten to DBZ status so i doubt they can match servants. But plz tell me so i can prove u wrong :P
but this is Bleach vs FSN so keep it short.


Devil Fruits is the answer my nemesis, for example: how can lancer beat Ace, if ace gets hit he'll dissolve into fire, he can not be hit with physical attack so lancer would burn.

anyway I have only watched the anime F/S Night
what do I watch/read next?

Ive never seen Ace fight but just saying what would happen like "if ace gets hit he'll dissolve into fire" doesnt help. u need to tell me what his ability is and does and then i'll prove u wrong :P

i tell everyone whose seen the anime to play the original game. if ur good with comp u can figure out how to torrent and install successfully (alot of ppl have problems with this game). But otherwise u can buy the game like i did *cough $100 cough*, but even then its worth the money and anyone whose played it would agree with me.
And if u play it u can finally understand what me and Faker talk bout all the time XD


Ace's ability is turning his whole body into fire, attack with fire & defend with fire (Fire, Fire, Fire)

hmm, a comp game, i don't really fancy those games, the only game I played was Red Alert 2
if I was really in the mood i'll install it no prob
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11-04-08, 3:25 PM

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Zatoichi said:
Ketuekigami said:
Zatoichi said:
Ketuekigami said:
Zatoichi said:


Fate Addict DAMN U xD
hehe I love disagreeing
Aizen can beat Lancer though & another captain can beat Assasin (you've got to admit not all F/S characters are going to win, some Bleach Captains also can)
But if Bleach can't beat F/S then One Piece could
I KNOW IT COULD!!

i know im a "TRUE FAN" XP

I know some bleach captains are overpowered but without playing the FSN VN its impossible to gauge the servants true power. Lancer (and all the servants) is far more powerful than what was shown in the anime and if he had a proper master he could have even been the winner of the war.

Servants are by definition the strongest beings that ever existed in fact or fiction so u cant take them lightly. They are the strongest ppl that ever lived and they have powers beyond knowledge from the time where gods ruled the world and mythical beasts lived.

Assassin is the only servant i know would probably lose... but if they get into a skilled sword fight (which would most likely happen) Assassin would win. He is far more skilled than any bleach character and the power of Tsubame Gaeshi is beyond their understanding.

from how far i saw OP they wouldnt have a chance and i dont think they've gotten to DBZ status so i doubt they can match servants. But plz tell me so i can prove u wrong :P
but this is Bleach vs FSN so keep it short.


Devil Fruits is the answer my nemesis, for example: how can lancer beat Ace, if ace gets hit he'll dissolve into fire, he can not be hit with physical attack so lancer would burn.

anyway I have only watched the anime F/S Night
what do I watch/read next?

Ive never seen Ace fight but just saying what would happen like "if ace gets hit he'll dissolve into fire" doesnt help. u need to tell me what his ability is and does and then i'll prove u wrong :P

i tell everyone whose seen the anime to play the original game. if ur good with comp u can figure out how to torrent and install successfully (alot of ppl have problems with this game). But otherwise u can buy the game like i did *cough $100 cough*, but even then its worth the money and anyone whose played it would agree with me.
And if u play it u can finally understand what me and Faker talk bout all the time XD


Ace's ability is turning his whole body into fire, attack with fire & defend with fire (Fire, Fire, Fire)

hmm, a comp game, i don't really fancy those games, the only game I played was Red Alert 2
if I was really in the mood i'll install it no prob


that depends on the extent he becomes fire, Lancer does have a way to beat him that wasnt in the anime though.
Gáe Bolg
Rank: B+
Type: Anti-Fort.
This technique utilizes the full potential of Gáe Bolg's curse, converting Mana into energy and releasing the accumulated power on contact after the spear is hurled. In contrast to the Impaling Barbed Death property, the Striking Death Flight is far less accurate, but it puts greater emphasis on raw power and has a wider area of impact, similar in concept to detonating an explosive device. The two functions of Gáe Bolg are said to be based on the legendary spear of Odin, Gungnir.


But most of the other servants such as Gil, Saber, Rider, Archer, and Caster all have attacks that can kill Ace cuz their all destructive attacks that can literally disintegrate him. Although Assassin would deff lose to Ace, and against Berserker neither would be able to hurt each other so it'd be a stalemate.

its a visual novel, thats a game thats laid out like a novel that u read but given choices that influence the story. But dont be discouraged because its a game that u read, ppl always say they dont like reading but i was once like that and after playing Tsukihime i found that reading a truly great story is much MUCH better than i could have even imagine. I would seriously tell u to play the game right now if i knew u offline but since i dont i'll have to hope u play it on ur own.
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Ketuekigami said:
FrostyWaters said:
I thought the Bleach characters were Gods(Well, Death Gods)?

Ya but their not actual gods like Zeus or other gods of legend (alot of FSN Servants). Shinigami are like hired lesser gods... its not like u can become a real god by going to school like shinigami do :P

Shinigami are more at the level slightly above a highly trained fighter mixed with a magus, but if ur talking about one of the stronger captains they might be up to a D-C level servants power... but nowhere near the level of a god like most of the servants in the 5th Holy Grail War who were all B-A level servants (except for Assassin who was C).


Hmm...


Oh, on that matter of Aizen Zanpakuto not working against magic...are you kidding?

 
11-04-08, 8:40 PM

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I thought the Bleach characters were Gods(Well, Death Gods)?

Ya but their not actual gods like Zeus or other gods of legend (alot of FSN Servants). Shinigami are like hired lesser gods... its not like u can become a real god by going to school like shinigami do :P

Shinigami are more at the level slightly above a highly trained fighter mixed with a magus, but if ur talking about one of the stronger captains they might be up to a D-C level servants power... but nowhere near the level of a god like most of the servants in the 5th Holy Grail War who were all B-A level servants (except for Assassin who was C).


Hmm...


Oh, on that matter of Aizen Zanpakuto not working against magic...are you kidding?

i didnt say not working against magic i said that magi are resistant to hypnosis magic. Thats actually one of the main things magi have to become resistant to is hypnosis otherwise they'd give away all their secrets (said by Tohsaka in FSN). And since Archer is a magus and he magically enhances his eyes theres a very low chance that hypnosis magic or any magic that effects his senses through his eyes will have any effect on him, low being less than %1.
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That's my point...when was it ever stated that Zanpakuto's abilities are magic? Supernatural yes...but never once stated to be "mystic" in anyway.

Not saying they couldn't be...just that it's jumping the gun to say that.

Also Aizen's Zanpakuto works without fail so it doesn't really matter how well trained someone's eye were because being blind was the only way stated to stop the the effects of the Zanpakuto.

 
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That's my point...when was it ever stated that Zanpakuto's abilities are magic? Supernatural yes...but never once stated to be "mystic" in anyway.

Not saying they couldn't be...just that it's jumping the gun to say that.

Also Aizen's Zanpakuto works without fail so it doesn't really matter how well trained someone's eye were because being blind was the only way stated to stop the the effects of the Zanpakuto.


If it was an attack that had no weakness other than that then he would be unbeatable. its pretty strange that the writers would give the main enemy in a shounen anime an unbeatable ability so there has to be another way around it.
And theres no way around it in the Bleach universe cuz they dont know how to deal with hypnosis magic, but its a common thing in the FSN universe. I could just as easily say that Casters hypnosis magic is unbeatable in the Bleach universe cuz their not trained to deal with it but to any other magus her magic wouldnt be as effective since they train themselves to be resistant against that type of magic.


im considering it in a point of view of FSN vs. Bleach. in FSN everything is considered magic unless its from the earth. And u cant really say that a zanpakuto couldnt be considered magic, theres nothing else it can be. And of course it wouldnt say what zanpakuto are in Bleach cuz its not relevant to the story, but considering how shinigami themselves cast spells its safe to assume that other supernatural things they do are also done with magic.
And in FSN spiritual energy is the same as magical energy so even if there is a diff in Bleach it wouldnt matter to the FSN character.
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Fate Addict DAMN U xD
hehe I love disagreeing
Aizen can beat Lancer though & another captain can beat Assasin (you've got to admit not all F/S characters are going to win, some Bleach Captains also can)
But if Bleach can't beat F/S then One Piece could
I KNOW IT COULD!!

i know im a "TRUE FAN" XP

I know some bleach captains are overpowered but without playing the FSN VN its impossible to gauge the servants true power. Lancer (and all the servants) is far more powerful than what was shown in the anime and if he had a proper master he could have even been the winner of the war.

Servants are by definition the strongest beings that ever existed in fact or fiction so u cant take them lightly. They are the strongest ppl that ever lived and they have powers beyond knowledge from the time where gods ruled the world and mythical beasts lived.

Assassin is the only servant i know would probably lose... but if they get into a skilled sword fight (which would most likely happen) Assassin would win. He is far more skilled than any bleach character and the power of Tsubame Gaeshi is beyond their understanding.

from how far i saw OP they wouldnt have a chance and i dont think they've gotten to DBZ status so i doubt they can match servants. But plz tell me so i can prove u wrong :P
but this is Bleach vs FSN so keep it short.


Devil Fruits is the answer my nemesis, for example: how can lancer beat Ace, if ace gets hit he'll dissolve into fire, he can not be hit with physical attack so lancer would burn.

anyway I have only watched the anime F/S Night
what do I watch/read next?

Ive never seen Ace fight but just saying what would happen like "if ace gets hit he'll dissolve into fire" doesnt help. u need to tell me what his ability is and does and then i'll prove u wrong :P

i tell everyone whose seen the anime to play the original game. if ur good with comp u can figure out how to torrent and install successfully (alot of ppl have problems with this game). But otherwise u can buy the game like i did *cough $100 cough*, but even then its worth the money and anyone whose played it would agree with me.
And if u play it u can finally understand what me and Faker talk bout all the time XD


Ace's ability is turning his whole body into fire, attack with fire & defend with fire (Fire, Fire, Fire)

hmm, a comp game, i don't really fancy those games, the only game I played was Red Alert 2
if I was really in the mood i'll install it no prob


that depends on the extent he becomes fire, Lancer does have a way to beat him that wasnt in the anime though.
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But most of the other servants such as Gil, Saber, Rider, Archer, and Caster all have attacks that can kill Ace cuz their all destructive attacks that can literally disintegrate him. Although Assassin would deff lose to Ace, and against Berserker neither would be able to hurt each other so it'd be a stalemate.

its a visual novel, thats a game thats laid out like a novel that u read but given choices that influence the story. But dont be discouraged because its a game that u read, ppl always say they dont like reading but i was once like that and after playing Tsukihime i found that reading a truly great story is much MUCH better than i could have even imagine. I would seriously tell u to play the game right now if i knew u offline but since i dont i'll have to hope u play it on ur own.



I don't want to make this into a F/S Vs. One Piece argument
but i'm certain one piece would win, there are many characters like Ace who have these abilities & they are even stronger (fire, ice, smoke, lightening & many more)


& i'll try to play it :)
is there a Manga too? (F/S)
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I don't want to make this into a F/S Vs. One Piece argument
but i'm certain one piece would win, there are many characters like Ace who have these abilities & they are even stronger (fire, ice, smoke, lightening & many more)


& i'll try to play it :)
is there a Manga too? (F/S)


I know the OP powers that they turn into stuff but i dont think they can adsorb attacks with enough power and range to destroy castles. Excalibur for example destroyed the cities bridge and everything along the rivers cast and when shot into the sky it looks as if it reaches into space and Enuma Elish destroys time and space and if superior to Excalibur in power. Now theres no way any of the OP characters can absorb an attack with that much power and range. I dont know what kind of attacks they used their abilities to absorb but i can assure u theres no way they even come close to one of the more powerful noble phantasms.
But this is off topic so it should stop now.


theres is a manga too and it is better the the anime but the games the best. i found that all u ned is to DL the game and use doemon tools to install it.
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I don't want to make this into a F/S Vs. One Piece argument
but i'm certain one piece would win, there are many characters like Ace who have these abilities & they are even stronger (fire, ice, smoke, lightening & many more)


& i'll try to play it :)
is there a Manga too? (F/S)


I know the OP powers that they turn into stuff but i dont think they can adsorb attacks with enough power and range to destroy castles. Excalibur for example destroyed the cities bridge and everything along the rivers cast and when shot into the sky it looks as if it reaches into space and Enuma Elish destroys time and space and if superior to Excalibur in power. Now theres no way any of the OP characters can absorb an attack with that much power and range. I dont know what kind of attacks they used their abilities to absorb but i can assure u theres no way they even come close to one of the more powerful noble phantasms.
But this is off topic so it should stop now.


theres is a manga too and it is better the the anime but the games the best. i found that all u ned is to DL the game and use doemon tools to install it.


I still disagree but lets stop this argument.
I'll see if I could use that program, it annoyed me in the past & may still annoy me now

but back to topic, why didn't u talk about dark rin? do u admit she was defeated by the captain? huh?
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Well Iv seen Bleach iv seen One piece and Iv seen Fate/Stay night(also finished the visual novel)
Its seriously impossible for Bleach and One piece characters to Face Servants guys. Servants are heroic spirits send from the past or future with huge battle experience and are wiser as well. For example in One piece When Ace fought Blackbeard and they both used their ultimate moves they sayed it was like the Ultimate Light Vs Darkness attacks.But was using fire.Avalon(sabers true hogu) would easily win against it. Or Lancer using Gae Bolg could also kill almost all the Fruit users(of course not Ligea types)
Generally speaking though Servants are way stronger than One piece and Bleach charachters that are young and inexperienced.
 
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Well Iv seen Bleach iv seen One piece and Iv seen Fate/Stay night(also finished the visual novel)
Its seriously impossible for Bleach and One piece characters to Face Servants guys. Servants are heroic spirits send from the past or future with huge battle experience and are wiser as well. For example in One piece When Ace fought Blackbeard and they both used their ultimate moves they sayed it was like the Ultimate Light Vs Darkness attacks.But was using fire.Avalon(sabers true hogu) would easily win against it. Or Lancer using Gae Bolg could also kill almost all the Fruit users(of course not Ligea types)
Generally speaking though Servants are way stronger than One piece and Bleach charachters that are young and inexperienced.


If it was impossible
then why this argument in the first place?
it is not impossible
Bleach & One Piece still have a chance to beat F/S& one more thig
what happens when a servant loses his master? (Remind me if u may)
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Well Iv seen Bleach iv seen One piece and Iv seen Fate/Stay night(also finished the visual novel)
Its seriously impossible for Bleach and One piece characters to Face Servants guys. Servants are heroic spirits send from the past or future with huge battle experience and are wiser as well. For example in One piece When Ace fought Blackbeard and they both used their ultimate moves they sayed it was like the Ultimate Light Vs Darkness attacks.But was using fire.Avalon(sabers true hogu) would easily win against it. Or Lancer using Gae Bolg could also kill almost all the Fruit users(of course not Ligea types)
Generally speaking though Servants are way stronger than One piece and Bleach charachters that are young and inexperienced.


If it was impossible
then why this argument in the first place?
it is not impossible
Bleach & One Piece still have a chance to beat F/S& one more thig
what happens when a servant loses his master? (Remind me if u may)

the servant will dissaper but they will have enough time to finish a battle (like a few hours). but this is one on one servant vs Bleach so masters arent involves... and Clouds explanation is dead on.

this argument came up cuz the poster probably never played the game.
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Ketuekigami said:
Zatoichi said:
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Well Iv seen Bleach iv seen One piece and Iv seen Fate/Stay night(also finished the visual novel)
Its seriously impossible for Bleach and One piece characters to Face Servants guys. Servants are heroic spirits send from the past or future with huge battle experience and are wiser as well. For example in One piece When Ace fought Blackbeard and they both used their ultimate moves they sayed it was like the Ultimate Light Vs Darkness attacks.But was using fire.Avalon(sabers true hogu) would easily win against it. Or Lancer using Gae Bolg could also kill almost all the Fruit users(of course not Ligea types)
Generally speaking though Servants are way stronger than One piece and Bleach charachters that are young and inexperienced.


If it was impossible
then why this argument in the first place?
it is not impossible
Bleach & One Piece still have a chance to beat F/S& one more thig
what happens when a servant loses his master? (Remind me if u may)

the servant will dissaper but they will have enough time to finish a battle (like a few hours). but this is one on one servant vs Bleach so masters arent involves... and Clouds explanation is dead on.

this argument came up cuz the poster probably never played the game.


I see
THE POSTER WHERE ARE U?

& it Was NOT Dead on!!
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Nice discussion. I'll just watch it. ^^



 
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Nice discussion. I'll just watch it. ^^


please join
make it 3 vs. 1 again xD apparently I don't mind
Me & Ketue Had a really long discussion!!!!
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