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| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 94 | 75.81% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 25 | 20.16% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 4 | 3.23% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 1 | 0.81% | |
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03-21-08, 2:49 AM
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Hey Crystal I am a MASSIVA Fai fan as well I feel every bit of anger in your words and 100% agree with you on everything! I have already bitched about the lack of Fai in this OVA so I wont go on again about it bit I will say that I think that I.G. didnt include that falshbacks of Fai simply because they (and no one) knows yet if Tsubasa is going to be continued to be animated. Therefore to put Fai's past flashbacks in the OVA means they were DEFINATELY going to continue with the anime. At the moment, they dont have to because of they didnt add it. Crystal I've been cheated! This is an outrage! As a fan of Fay, I am extremely disappointed that they left out the ABSOLUTELY VITAL SCENES OF HIS PAST! Okay, the story of what happened in Tokyo arc could still run without Fay being more emo then he already is. But still! His past! Fay's past is like one of the most sought after mysteries of Tsubasa, and Tokyo arc was one of the first places where we got a FIRST EVER quick and confusing flashback of his terrible past! I'm sure everyone wants to know. And Tokyo arc was when I started bagging on Fay for being extremely emo and depressed for pretty much the rest of the series. I was disappointed that he was more 'happy' then I expected, he acted like his soul had already died in the manga (except when he was with Sakura). It was such a huge contrast in the manga with how Fay acted before and after they lost c!Syaoran, since the Fay before acted happy (although he probably wasn't) while the Fay after pretty much stopped the acting and acted like how he actually is, depressed, tired, upset, annoyed, afraid, etc. Where's the contrast here? He seemed pleasant enough to Yuuko. I AGREE ON EVERYTHING YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE!!!!!!!!!! |
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03-21-08, 5:34 AM
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They could of put it in to tease and torture the anime-only watchers to make them read the manga. It would have been good promotional material for CLAMP to get themselves more manga readers, with or without new OVAs being made. |
#43
03-23-08, 2:51 PM
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I was pretty much hysterical all through Fay's transformation ^_^;; Kurogane was rather cruel! :X It was cool of CS!Sakura to show up, but it was rather random XD If that hadn't already been spoiled for me, I would have been like 'WTF?!' And I pretty much cringed or "Ouch!"-d every time Sakura got hurt throughout her journey! She got so messed up! =O CUTEST LINE EVAR: "How is Seishirou-san?" I was like 'SQUUUEEEEEE >///<' As an insane SeiSub fan, I went a little crazy ^o^ Judging by how Kamui had been speaking of Seishirou, I assumed Subaru wouldn't openly ask things like that, or maybe even feel a little bit the same way Kamui does towards him, but apparently not! Please tell me someone else had the same reaction! XD Icephoenix said: you can't beat seeing Kamui and the rest of the X crew. Soooooooooo true~~ kurotsuki said: the one thing they removed and that I don't appreciate is the part in which Kamui attacks Fuma , only to be grabbed by Fuma and then Fuma says that his brother told him to be careful of Subaru when he gets mad. Agreed! No fair >:[ It would have been rather sexy to see angry vampire!Subaru animated *o* (Especially with the golden eyes and claws - it would have been a killer!) Overall, the OVA/OAD [XD] was rather disappointing. I mean, they left pretty much everything with no resolution. I at least wanted to see the twins leave, but no! ;___; Really, really, really hoping for more OVAs/OADs of some sort♥ Need to see Fay's past animated...! e.o |
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03-23-08, 6:40 PM
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You know what's really funny? Out of Tsubasa Chronicles' first and second season and now the OVAs, this last OVA episode was the only episode I saw AFTER I had read the manga. Every time I read the manga, I would always think "Hey, this happened in this episode, it's nice they followed it, etc." And this was the only time I'd read the manga first so it was weird to watch the art come alive. I was actually confused for a few minutes, thinking "Hey, this is weird. Where have I seen this before?" =P In any case, I am also sad they totally left out Fay's past D: All in all, like Kineta said, after I got over the initial wow's of better animation and stuff, I realized it was quite lacking =/ Hopefully there'll be a new set of OVA's sometime soon. I want :3 8/10 though I really want to give it a 9 for the awesome battle scenes (and that one scene where R!Syaoran awakens - I just love that part). |
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03-25-08, 7:23 PM
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Loved it. I'm so proud of Sakura, she's finally starting to become stronger. Gotta admit, I love Clamp's sinister twist to the story. And seeing the whole X casts was such a treat. I remember reading a poll somewhere, asking which X team is hotter, the seals or the dragon. And it was pretty tied, however most people said adding Subura and Kamui to dragon would make it hottest team. And I can't believe Clamp actually did that, on top of it, Vampire twins too! |
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03-31-08, 11:11 PM
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I loved this OVA x_x so much blood =D xD really cool~ |
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04-05-08, 11:01 PM
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The music was so perfectly done, I don't remember ever loving animated Tsubasa so much ♥ Kudos to Production I.G. (: Hopefully they'll be animating another set of OVAs, or better yet, the rest of the series. Shame that they had to cut stuff out so that the OVA could stand alone (-coughFai'spastcough-), and I was pretty annoyed that they threw CCS!Sakura in there for fanservice -- I always thought that the symbolism behind the lost souls of Tokyo leading Sakura back was great. Otherwise, this was an amaazing OVA <3 |
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04-14-08, 8:24 AM
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rofl i watched this without knowing it is the 3rd OVA lol |
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04-18-08, 8:37 PM
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I suck for only watching the last ep now. Anyways, wow at Sakura, she was totally awesome here. New born respect for her, though overall this ep wasn't as good as the previous 2. I sure hope they do more OAV's or something like this, it would totally be awesome. 9/10 |
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05-27-08, 6:21 AM
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what the heck is kinomoto doing there?!?!?!?!?! that kind of ruined it. totally out of the storyline and i couldnt take it seriously, plus just made it confusing as to why shes there. but anyway, in general THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE!! arghhhh *curses bee train a million times and throws sword at screen* although it was a bit fast and explained way to much in too little time, so i still dont understand most of it. also the journey doesnt really conclude, just seems to go on forever ~ nothing is resolved on the sakura x syaoran front. what is with the 2 syaorans anyway?? ahh well, everything else was perfected, 9/10 :D |
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05-30-08, 9:44 AM
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sugarplumfairy said: what the heck is kinomoto doing there?!?!?!?!?! that kind of ruined it. totally out of the storyline and i couldnt take it seriously, plus just made it confusing as to why shes there. but anyway, in general THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE!! arghhhh *curses bee train a million times and throws sword at screen* although it was a bit fast and explained way to much in too little time, so i still dont understand most of it. also the journey doesnt really conclude, just seems to go on forever ~ nothing is resolved on the sakura x syaoran front. what is with the 2 syaorans anyway?? ahh well, everything else was perfected, 9/10 :D Considering the latest developments in manga kinomoto appearing there really fits better than random ghosts(like in manga). as for SxS - well, Sakura now firmly knows that she loves Clone, you could say that the journey focus shifts from feathers to finding the clone(with feathers becoming the secondary objective) and each group member gets a "new reason" to travel. As for 2 syaorans - it was explained in OVA 2: long ago, before the series began, FWR kidnapped the real syaoran and cloned him. the emotionless Clone had only one purpose - to find the feathers which would be scattered, no matter the cost. However real Syaoran interrupted the cloning by copying his own ""heart" into his eye and "stuffing" it into the clone. Real Syaoran hoped that with the time, his copied heart would make clone grow "his own". FWR then imprisoned real Syaoran and tried to remove the eye with the heart - but it was impossible, so he decided that it won't affect his plans. So FWR left the Clone in clow country, where he was found by Fujitaka and later on met Sakura. All this time the real syaoran waited imprisoned, till his magic would grow back(he used half of it to seal his heart into the clone), paying the time, relationship and freedom for yuuko and hoping that fwr's plans will fall apart. Then the ruin accident and the journey began. Clone acted as a person because real syaoran's heart was sealed there. During the journey we saw many moments when the seal began to break and clone personality would appear. The seal finally broke in Tokyo underwater - at the same time Real Syaoran was strong enough to break out of fwr's spells and was sent by Xin Huo(without FWR knowing it) to yuuko. Xin Huo later paid a heavy price - her own life, when fwr found out what happened. So the seal broke - but Clone did not have his own heart yet...so he became as fwr wanted him to be - merciless emotionless "tool" for gathering all the feathers no matter what he must do or what he must kill. A clone who would not hesitate to destroy entire worlds to get the feathers. While Real was traveling to tokyo to stop the clone, Clone absorbed 1/2 of Fai's magical power by eating Fai's eye. Modified by Fai, 05-30-08, 9:47 AM |
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06-23-08, 11:07 AM
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Ok, watched the first 20 episodes or so of the series long ago. I got bored with it and dropped the series. I recently read a review of it and was told that it was pretty much all filler and that the only episodes that should be watched were 1-10 and 48-52, so I went back and watched episodes 48-52 and not much had really changed. Then, I watched the ovas, much more was accomplished here than any of the previous 2 seasons, or what i saw of them, but still so many questions... will there actually be another ova? The Tsbuasa Chronicles: Tokyo Revelatiosn page says the ovas are finished. (I don't read mangas so if this is the end, I didn't like how so much goes left unanswered... kinda like Inuyasha) Modified by carnivorous, 06-23-08, 11:16 AM In the End, was it worth it? |
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06-23-08, 11:13 AM
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Chii said: Hey Crystal I am a MASSIVA Fai fan as well I feel every bit of anger in your words and 100% agree with you on everything! I have already bitched about the lack of Fai in this OVA so I wont go on again about it bit I will say that I think that I.G. didnt include that falshbacks of Fai simply because they (and no one) knows yet if Tsubasa is going to be continued to be animated. Therefore to put Fai's past flashbacks in the OVA means they were DEFINATELY going to continue with the anime. At the moment, they dont have to because of they didnt add it. Crystal I've been cheated! This is an outrage! As a fan of Fay, I am extremely disappointed that they left out the ABSOLUTELY VITAL SCENES OF HIS PAST! Okay, the story of what happened in Tokyo arc could still run without Fay being more emo then he already is. But still! His past! Fay's past is like one of the most sought after mysteries of Tsubasa, and Tokyo arc was one of the first places where we got a FIRST EVER quick and confusing flashback of his terrible past! I'm sure everyone wants to know. And Tokyo arc was when I started bagging on Fay for being extremely emo and depressed for pretty much the rest of the series. I was disappointed that he was more 'happy' then I expected, he acted like his soul had already died in the manga (except when he was with Sakura). It was such a huge contrast in the manga with how Fay acted before and after they lost c!Syaoran, since the Fay before acted happy (although he probably wasn't) while the Fay after pretty much stopped the acting and acted like how he actually is, depressed, tired, upset, annoyed, afraid, etc. Where's the contrast here? He seemed pleasant enough to Yuuko. I AGREE ON EVERYTHING YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE!!!!!!!!!! Except that the main emphasis of the Acid Tokyo arc was on Sakura and Syaoran and the whole clone issue. It basically set up the second half of the series. Yes, Fai becoming a vampire is important and Kuro's sacrifice, etc, but that doesn't become a large part of the story until Infinity/Celes. **wishes people would stop forgetting Sakura and Syaoran are the stars of Tsubasa, not K/F** |
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07-05-08, 1:11 PM
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carnivorous said: Ok, watched the first 20 episodes or so of the series long ago. I got bored with it and dropped the series. I recently read a review of it and was told that it was pretty much all filler and that the only episodes that should be watched were 1-10 and 48-52, so I went back and watched episodes 48-52 and not much had really changed. Then, I watched the ovas, much more was accomplished here than any of the previous 2 seasons, or what i saw of them, but still so many questions... will there actually be another ova? The Tsbuasa Chronicles: Tokyo Revelatiosn page says the ovas are finished. (I don't read mangas so if this is the end, I didn't like how so much goes left unanswered... kinda like Inuyasha) Actually.... Episodes 43-52 ARE THE FILLERS -.-" Out of the second half of episodes, only Piffle race(up to some point, since it was a lot more serious and um...drunk xD in manga), Shurano/Sharano(the ashura/yasha stuff, one of the more faithful adaptations in series) and Library/Record(another a bit more "faithful" part, if you take out episode 43 and the whole end of episode 42 and add back the thriller elements, blood and action scenes). Tokyo Revelations begin at the very end of Episode 42 when group , with the help of Fai, escape from the Rekord world, where they stole the book, etc, became criminals and were hunted to be killed...They end up in Tokyo. As for more - there are hm...four worlds already after this, with a lot more revelations, deaths and so called "puzzle pieces" to the overall plot. According to readers, the next issue of Shonen Magazine, out tomorrow in Japan, states that a "big announcement" regarding Tsubasa will be made in the obi strip that will come with volume 24, which is set for a July 17 release. A lot of us have speculated that the OVA for "Infinity" or so called "mafia tournament" arc adaptation will be announced, which is one of the darkest parts in the story with lots of things Fai and even more things Sakura. Will our speculations come out true? Only Time will tell. the_seventh_l said: Except that the main emphasis of the Acid Tokyo arc was on Sakura and Syaoran and the whole clone issue. It basically set up the second half of the series. Yes, Fai becoming a vampire is important and Kuro's sacrifice, etc, but that doesn't become a large part of the story until Infinity/Celes. **wishes people would stop forgetting Sakura and Syaoran are the stars of Tsubasa, not K/F** Everyone is spotlight...We are basically sad that they took out that very emotional flashback about Fai, which of course is understandable because another OVA set did not have the green light yet. There's still a possibility that they will include that scene in Infinity, tho... As for Kamui/Fuuma/Subaru scene - Well, i am not that sad that it was taken out, but it emphases The bond a bit better. |
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07-19-08, 5:19 AM
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i really like this kind of animation, i hope they will make a 3rd season in this kind of animation, and the fighting scenes on episode 2 are really bloody awesome good~ i wanna make it clear, this OVA started when they left the record country right???? it's really confusing: -they continue their journey w/ real shaoran, how about the clone? -the assistant of FWR is dead but on episode 24-26 on second season, she's there -also the real shaoran is still captured by FWR on episode 24-26 please make this all clear Modified by misaseh098, 07-19-08, 5:22 AM |
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08-03-08, 4:08 PM
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misaseh098 said: i really like this kind of animation, i hope they will make a 3rd season in this kind of animation, and the fighting scenes on episode 2 are really bloody awesome good~ i wanna make it clear, this OVA started when they left the record country right???? it's really confusing: -they continue their journey w/ real shaoran, how about the clone? -the assistant of FWR is dead but on episode 24-26 on second season, she's there -also the real shaoran is still captured by FWR on episode 24-26 please make this all clear Yeah, I thought that they were resuming the story from when the crew left Record Country as well, but things seemed a little out of place. I heard lots of good things about this OVA, but overall I was disappointed because they attempted to save the storyline by revealing very little bits and pieces about everything and then stringing them together with long dialogues. And they suddenly added this new Fai vampire business - very sudden. And Sakura going off on her own to retrieve the item was quite a foolish decision. She should know her lack of combat abilities more than anyone else, but it seems like she just got stubborn and her judgment was clouded. Just to make her go on the journey anyway, they gave her a gun (a comparatively easy weapon to use) and they made the monsters look big and threatening when they're actually pushovers. Again, all this about Sakura gaining combat abilities is just too sudden. However, I do understand the Syaoran and his clone business. I see this as an attempt to save the story of Tsubasa Chronicle. Before, all the crew did was look for feathers. Having done that for two seasons and gotten poor response from viewers, they decided to shift the team's objective to searching for the clone Syaoran, while leaving the collection of feathers to clone Syaoran instead. And does Sakura even need all her memories back, and will she even assemble all her memories? By her own will, she already abandoned one of her feathers in the Tokyo Government Office. ![]() |
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08-04-08, 5:58 PM
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Tsubasa Chronicle: Tokyo Revelations OVA episode 3~ Truth be told, I was just a tad disappointed with this episode. Since this was the ending of the OVA's I was hoping for more of a conclusive final that didn't leave any loose ends. The whole Fai and his eye deal was done pretty well. Since I don't read the manga - I wouldn't know how the intensity and adrenaline was in the manga - but I think the anime did a good job of that. I enjoyed how finally Kurogane was showing his soft side and was actually willing to do something for Fai to prevent his death. When Kurogane was holding Fai while he was being affected by the vampire blood - that was such a nice scene. For someone who's not a fan of yaoi - a KuroganeXFai moment popped into my head xD Sakura's journey was well done. I relished seeing our Princess' journey from small, fragile and weak girl to a strong, stubborn and kick-ass character. It was one time where I felt a really strong bond between the character. Everytime Sakura got hurt, it was hard not to flinch or look with pity. Other's have mentioned that the scene wasn't as bold as it was in the manga - however coming from someone that doesn't read the manga - it was a very overwhelming scene. Personally, I liked Kinomoto Sakura in there, maybe cause I'm a big fan of CardCaptor Sakura xP I was eager to learn more about Kamui and Subaru - but character development on the vampire twins was not there. Nonetheless, I understand it would have been a little hard considering the time frame CLAMP had to fit everything. One thing that I was sort of angry about was how much Sakura cared for c!Syaoron. I don't know, maybe there's something going on in the manga right now that would explain this - but I would have figured that she would love r!Syaoron like she did the c!Syaoron. I mean, the other one is a clone after all... In conclusion, Tsubasa Chronicle: Toyko Revelations was exceptionally well done. Now, I have to go and start reading the manga... T___T |
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08-05-08, 3:25 AM
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misaseh098 said: i really like this kind of animation, i hope they will make a 3rd season in this kind of animation, and the fighting scenes on episode 2 are really bloody awesome good~ i wanna make it clear, this OVA started when they left the record country right???? it's really confusing: -they continue their journey w/ real shaoran, how about the clone? -the assistant of FWR is dead but on episode 24-26 on second season, she's there -also the real shaoran is still captured by FWR on episode 24-26 please make this all clear Forget the latter episodes. Episodes 43-52 no longer exist in storyline. Well they never existed in storyline. They were added by previous studio, because they did not want to animate Tokyo. Hence CLAMP canceling the deal with them. Manga from there goes into even darker direction. Manga concept was and is about the change of tone - from the adventurous first chapters of , to sorrowful Shurano/Shirano, to intense and morally ambiguous Record, to twisted, shocking and angst-ridden Tokyo, to the pure depression fest of everyone slowly showing who they really are. Fake smiles, fake words, fake situations - every character hides something for their own selfish wishes. puedjies said: Yeah, I thought that they were resuming the story from when the crew left Record Country as well, but things seemed a little out of place. I heard lots of good things about this OVA, but overall I was disappointed because they attempted to save the storyline by revealing very little bits and pieces about everything and then stringing them together with long dialogues. And they suddenly added this new Fai vampire business - very sudden. And Sakura going off on her own to retrieve the item was quite a foolish decision. She should know her lack of combat abilities more than anyone else, but it seems like she just got stubborn and her judgment was clouded. Just to make her go on the journey anyway, they gave her a gun (a comparatively easy weapon to use) and they made the monsters look big and threatening when they're actually pushovers. Again, all this about Sakura gaining combat abilities is just too sudden. However, I do understand the Syaoran and his clone business. I see this as an attempt to save the story of Tsubasa Chronicle. Before, all the crew did was look for feathers. Having done that for two seasons and gotten poor response from viewers, they decided to shift the team's objective to searching for the clone Syaoran, while leaving the collection of feathers to clone Syaoran instead. And does Sakura even need all her memories back, and will she even assemble all her memories? By her own will, she already abandoned one of her feathers in the Tokyo Government Office. All the CLAMP manga is always known for long dialogs and sudden plot-twists. Its just that lots of dialogs were simplified in first two seasons, in order to make it more "mainstream" (aka one of the reasons why CLAMP made sure the TC was canceled) Sakura going on her own was the price for water and information. Had someone else gone there(with skills and everything),, the price would not be worth as much. Sakura always had combat abilities (considering with whom she shares her soul). It was to show her change from the stress and inability to change things, now "instead of wanting help from others, she will bear her sins by herself, no matter what she needs to do or kill, in order to get her goals" Actually no. Clone concept was there in manga from very beginning(Along with some of the latter revelations). However Animation studio decided to throw it out, because "it was not suitable for children". Which resulted with manga authors, CLAMP, canceling the deal with that studio(after they refused to use Tokyo in the original season2). Let's make this clear - TC anime series and Revelations are made by two different anime companies. Both are based on same manga, but while in the TC anime series manga authors themselves had no control over it, TRC Revelations was basically written by one of manga authors, Nanase Ohkawa. Director, Producer and everything else is different. The only things same are voice actors and music compositor. The only things TC two seasons share with REvealtions and TRC manga are the character names and concepts of some worlds. AS for her memories. Its already implied, that with her true love leaving her (Clone), she does not care about her own memories and prioritizes on catching up with him with the hope to get him back into "pre-tokyo state" or at least to end the destruction he is bringing to various worlds. The main emphasis there, just like in X, RG Veda or Tokyo Babylon is that you can't escape your fate, you can't change the way things work, the only destiny you can change is your own and only if you are fated to do that. After all both xxxholic manga and TRC manga go on the same motto "There are no coincidences, just hitsuzen Modified by Fai, 08-05-08, 3:33 AM |
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08-05-08, 7:20 AM
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@Fai: wow you're a real expert! Thanks for the clarification! A discussion is always enlightening! ![]() |