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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Pacing felt kinda slow this episode. But that's fine, it was funny with Trunks' reaction at seeing Android 18 with a daughter. Oh how times have changed lol... I also lol'd @ mini Trunks trying to flirt with Mei. Kids these days. |
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| SSJ2 kept getting spotlight is great. Probably Goku transformed into SSJ2 in Super already as many as in DBZ. Next week Trunks tried to use USSJ2? |
| Fellaini is God |
| Android 18 smiling. Idk why that's such a big deal to me but 18's smile is just beautiful. Now, Zamsus or whatever that Kai's name is. They said that his ki is similar to Black's but not quite the same, which would throw off the speculation that he's the possessing Goku's body. But at the end, he shows hatred towards Goku and even says "Humans are dangerous, Son Goku, I'll remember that name" Her might just be Black. The way he thinks of humans to me is incredibly close to Black's sense of "justice." AND if he went back to the past to get to Goku's body, the events would probably be something like this. -He somehow switches from his universe to Goku's universe. -Somehow time travels back to when Goku's corpse was still around or maybe even when Goku was still alive. Obviously this is tricky and I'm sure I'm wrong in some aspects. It's just that this kai literally shares the same view as Black and the preview for next episode literally shows him opening the box with the rings |
| So... goku indirectly created balck? The time travel plot is getting a mess ×.×. |
| From this episode I think we are given quite a clear picture on how Zamasu turned out to be Black. Obviously after losing to Goku, he gets bitter it, and his hatred towards humans intensifies. Now the only thing we have to find out is how he managed to get hold of Goku's body (future's version), which the next episode doesn't seem to provide any answers, yet. Next episode, Trunks' training! |
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| Yay, this episode finally answered a question that ive been wondering for a long time, how would Future Trunks react to that Android 18 and Krillen are married, this was a good episode again. Now lets see Future Trunks meet Majin Buu. |
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| Zamasu certainly has been shown to have some connection to Black but not enough to conclude they are the same one. I have to agree that the SSJ2 is getting more screentime now lol Trunks has the same potential as Gohan, the idea of training with Vegeta is actually excellent. Like the old times in the RoSaT xD |
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| The episode itself might have been slow but the build up in this arc has been really good. It's pretty clear now that Goku, Beerus and Whis have set the events in motion that caused Black to exist in the first place now. |
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| Ok, that scene with 18 was adorable. Don't think she's ever laughed or smiled that much before. XD Zamasu was fairly impressive, relatively speaking. He wasn't totally destroyed by a SS 2. XD |
| this show is really feelin slow now |
| Scream! |
| finally trunks saw 18.... so why did he travelled to universe 7 that kaio from universe 10 in the future as black.. maybe he destroyed all humans in other universes and then reached universe 7..... |
ibraheem234Jul 31, 2016 7:11 AM
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| Good episode, I expected Zamasu to fight on par with SSJ3 but I guess being able to stand upto SSJ2 is good enough, Honestly though I want more spotlight on SSJ3 than 2 XD The scene with Kid Trunks trying to flirt with Mai and Future Trunks being dense was funny. It seems like this particular meeting with Goku has bolstered the hatred in Zamasu. Wonder how he will tie into Black. |
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| I don't think Zamasu and Black are or will be the same person, maybe he will be like Piccolo when he split in two parts. |
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| I like what Zamasu said in the 1st couple minutes of the show. Sort of bible like since the humans are always in a cycle of prosper, war, repeat. No matter how many times God punished the humans, they always ended up breaking that prosperity and going to war. Even today humans are still repeating that cycle. Zamasu most likely fought a supressed SSJ 2 Goku. If Goku really went all out in his SSJ 2 form the fight would have been one sided. I did see some similar things between Black and Zamasu. Their views on humans, their hatred for Goku, similar ki, fighting stance. One thing that bugs me is, Will Black be like the Androids where Trunks gets a power boost in the current time line, kills the present Black which could be Zamasu and then goes back to his time to kill Black(Goku). It would be a repeat of the Android/Cell saga. Moving on to Mai and the group. I think Mai knows she's an old woman that is in a child's body. Which is why she's refusing to like Kid Trunks and why she prefers older Trunks, because he's closer to her age. Preview for next episode looks pretty intense. |
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| ????But Goku is a Sayian not Human |
LovelyHikari said: Why she wouldn't know that? Pilaf's gang have all their memories before they made that wish by mistake too. It was a similar mistake that Pilaf had done in DBGT when he summoned the dragon from the Black Star Dragon Balls and accidentally wished for Goku to turn into a kid.Moving on to Mai and the group. I think Mai knows she's an old woman that is in a child's body. Which is why she's refusing to like Kid Trunks and why she prefers older Trunks, because he's closer to her age. ssjathena said: probably all monkeys look alike to Zamasu. :D????But Goku is a Sayian not Human |
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ssjathena said: ????But Goku is a Sayian not Human Zamasu meant he has human like characteristics, 2 arms, 2 legs, you know. He didn't refer to Goku as a human Earthling. |
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| Why do they have to keep making Goku act like a little ****? If they're attempting to create the most dislikeable main character of all time, they're well on their way to that spot with him. Every time he shows signs he might be getting a little better, they'll **** up his personality the next episode. I also don't get why Black continues to refer to Goku as a human, when it was clearly stated to him that Goku is, in fact, a saiyan. This might be excusable if we were dealing with a regular person, but a god shouldn't make a mistake like this. Overall, this was by far the worst episode from the Black arc so far; not a single thing to like about it. Next week like nothing special is going to happen, with Trunks fighting against overpowered Vegeta. I wonder how that'll end (not). |
| stupid kaioshin. I'm guessing future black fused with dead goku who probably traveled through different other worlds looking for fights or something.... (hence the slightly different ki) or goku of universe 10 who would be evil? presuming there is one? Zamasu is just like a human, so he is angry. But funny how he calls goku a human when it was clearly stated to him he is not.... This is looking scary for the dragon ball universe, but looks like SSB training for trunks form vegeta?! |
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| Slow-paced but good episode.Zamasu confirms to be Black from the future and has deep hatred for humanity.His battle with Goku was ok he went par with SSJ2 Goku without problem and he took the hit only because he spaced out.Goku,Beerus and Whis notice that Zamasu's ki is similar to Black's.Future Trunks meeting 18 was really good.About the moments of Pilaf's gang and the stupid pair Trunks x Mai I really cannot stand them at all. 4/5 |
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LovelyHikari said: ssjathena said: ????But Goku is a Sayian not Human Zamasu meant he has human like characteristics, 2 arms, 2 legs, you know. He didn't refer to Goku as a human Earthling. That makes some sense. He's humanoid, not human, but it's just easier to call him the latter. I wouldn't be surprised if Zamasu didn't know what a saiyan was, and just figured it was a variant of human. Could be that saiyans don't exist in Universe 10. |
| I reject your reality, and substitute my own. |
| Goku is not a good example of how human is like. Heck, he's an alien. |
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| Lol, I somehow can imagine an evil trunks in the future. Just think about it, he fancies Mai but she met his older/better more mature version. Daamn way to go little trunks. I hope you will get more mature by this. Also Kaioshin weaklings seeing Goku is always nice. That said, probably even Piccollo (when fused with kami) would make them wonder. Considering every universe has its own gods, why do they know our Beerus so "well"? Last thing, I remember trunks hair beeing purple. Now its almost as blue as vegetas when in SSJB state. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
Zim_Irk said: Drake1000 said: Finally the 18 and Trunks interaction Universe 10 has humans too? the fuck? It made sense for Universe 6 to have humans and a planet earth that was destroyed since it was a paired with Universe 7, Actually I should've questionned the fact that they even have Kaioshins, seems like we're gonna see the same races in every universe, well it's okay as long as they don't have a planet "earth" of their own. I'm sick of that opening song, I hope they change it in the next arc and don't keep it for the entirety of the anime. I bet Zamasu will be part of that every Universe tournament. when the say humans they mean mortals its a mistranslation Yeah, I thought that too |
| Pretty good episode, So actually goku just created black in this episode. |
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| Well, I thought the yellow Kaioshin was Black since he had the same color earring, but... So Zamasu already hate human and Goku just make it worse...Goku is not human tho. |
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| Zamasu refers to Goku as a ningen, typically translated as "human" but meaning something more like "mortal", "non-god" in this case. Source: https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/759541397057744896 |
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| Really liked that episode. Trunks reaction when he saw 18 was funny and I loved 18's smile :) Times really have changed since DBZ. Also the scenes with Beerus and Goku haha to good, I love their interaction :D Hmm I'm not sure what I should think about Zamasu. First of all I love that they got Miki Shinichiro as his voice actor, absolute perfect <3 Zamasu seems to have a dark side, that showed especailly if it has to do with humans or in this episodes case when he met Goku. The fight was nice, even if it was short. Zamasus aura also seemed to be like almost the same as Blacks one. So there are definitely a lot of options how Black became Black. Next episode looks promising. To see Vegeta train with Trunks again after such a long time, this can only be good :) |
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| Great episode. Hilarious scene where Trunks meets Kirilin's wife. Top kek |
| lol at the reaction of Trunks when he saw Android 18 being the wife of Krillin and next episode is hype, Vegeta is training Future Trunks |
NewHJ said: Ulquiorra said: I don't think Zamasu and Black are or will be the same person, maybe he will be like Piccolo when he split in two parts. I think I agree. He will probably split in the good and evil halfs, and his evil half will take the form of Goku because of his hatred against people. If its true, DBS hater will probably screaming "Recycle event again?! Piccolo split again? Good & Evil Buu again!? Super suck!!?" |
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| Not so subtle on the Zamasu become future Black... Zamasu has similar energy to Black, hates humans and wants to kill them all like Black did, Zamasu now has knowledge of the time ring, all he has to do now is go back in time and either A) fuse with alternate universe's Goku's body and become Black or B) use whatever plot contrivance to take over alterne universes's Goku's body or C) Make Zamasu's dark Ki a mcguffin that separates from Zamasu and becomes a separate entity that does either A or B... |
| next episode: Vegeta teach Trunks to become a Super Sayan God, "oks when you become a Super Saiyan God, your eyes and your hair becomes blue", trunks emm done. |
Serius they make a big mistake choosing colors.
| This episode felt really long, in a good way. Every scene was entertaining and interesting to watch, especially 18 meeting Future Trunks again. Killing someone else in an alternate dimension and then meeting them again in another one, finding out they actually married to someone you know. Awkward af Though right now, I believe either Goku Black - Zamasu is similiar to the Piccolo-Kami situation, or Goku Black is a potara-fused version of Goku (from an alt. universe) and Zamasu. Edit: Although now that I think about it, the elder Kai could potentially have something to do with it too. It would be a bit of a twist. There seems to be conveniently too much evidence going against Zamasu. |
LeMastaAug 1, 2016 11:25 AM
| Next episode we get Vegeta-sensei again... Nice to see Fans & Viewers coming along with some nice hypothesis... speculating why/how Black is in Goku body and what methods he might use/used. Keep it coming! Lord_Odous said: +1From this episode I think we are given quite a clear picture on how Zamasu turned out to be Black. Obviously after losing to Goku, he gets bitter it, and his hatred towards humans intensifies. Now the only thing we have to find out is how he managed to get hold of Goku's body (future's version), which the next episode doesn't seem to provide any answers, yet. Next episode, Trunks' training! Ulquiorra said: Now you got me thinking, Nice!I don't think Zamasu and Black are or will be the same person, maybe he will be like Piccolo when he split in two parts. BROKENMattHardy said: That would explain why he only has one, maybe the other is in the body of Black suspended animation/sleeping body (similar to Ino from Naruto when he is in another body)… Nice theory!I'm guessing those portara earings he's wearing allow him to take over the other person's body instead of creating a hybrid body that resembles both people. |
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| Self-fulfilling prophecy . . . Good job, Goku. |
| I actually found this ep. very interesting even though the fight between Kaio-sama and Goku were too short. Even though Goku won this time, I believe it's because he held back and that's the reason the fight didn't get so intense. It's gonna be interesting why he the Kaio dude have the same Ki as black Goku. I believe it's maybe because they are similar to each other. I believe the grudge Zamasu have against human is still there and haven't vanished. It will be interesting how this turns out. |
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Wrsty said: Android 18 smiling. Idk why that's such a big deal to me but 18's smile is just beautiful. Now, Zamsus or whatever that Kai's name is. They said that his ki is similar to Black's but not quite the same, which would throw off the speculation that he's the possessing Goku's body. But at the end, he shows hatred towards Goku and even says "Humans are dangerous, Son Goku, I'll remember that name" Her might just be Black. The way he thinks of humans to me is incredibly close to Black's sense of "justice." AND if he went back to the past to get to Goku's body, the events would probably be something like this. -He somehow switches from his universe to Goku's universe. -Somehow time travels back to when Goku's corpse was still around or maybe even when Goku was still alive. Obviously this is tricky and I'm sure I'm wrong in some aspects. It's just that this kai literally shares the same view as Black and the preview for next episode literally shows him opening the box with the rings I know right. I also believe that. So if he isn't possessing him or is a version of him in anyway, he has to have a connection with him in one way or another. It's gonna be interesting how this turns out. |
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Drake1000 said: Finally the 18 and Trunks interaction Universe 10 has humans too? the fuck? It made sense for Universe 6 to have humans and a planet earth that was destroyed since it was a paired with Universe 7, Actually I should've questionned the fact that they even have Kaioshins, seems like we're gonna see the same races in every universe, well it's okay as long as they don't have a planet "earth" of their own. I'm sick of that opening song, I hope they change it in the next arc and don't keep it for the entirety of the anime. I bet Zamasu will be part of that every Universe tournament. A opening by Toei usually last for 50-60 ep., just like in one piece. But as you said, I also hope they change it. I have really get tired of it too. -.- |
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| Well that was interesting, now the question is just how Zamasu takes on Goku's form. This arc ain't so bad actually. |
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