The populist leader fuels anti-immigrant sentiment and praises Donald Trump’s foreign policy ideas as ‘vital’ for Hungary
Hungary’s right-wing prime minister Viktor Orban has described the arrival of asylum seekers in Europe as “a poison”, saying his country did not want or need “a single migrant”.
“Hungary does not need a single migrant for the economy to work, or the population to sustain itself, or for the country to have a future,” he told a joint press conference in Budapest with Austrian chancellor Christian Kern.
“This is why there is no need for a common European migration policy: whoever needs migrants can take them, but don’t force them on us, we don’t need them,” Orban said
“For us migration is not a solution but a problem ... not medicine but a poison, we don’t need it and won’t swallow it,” he said.
Orban is a fierce opponent of the European Union’s troubled plan to share migrants across the 28-nation bloc under a mandatory quota system.
Our dear Ramses of Felcsút at it again lol He's right in that regard that because Germany and other countries are gladly taking in migrants by the thousands and more, that they can force other countries to do the same.Especially since countries like us could simply not accomodate people coming in such numbers, we're already suffering from unemployment so I don't see how we could do anything to integrate migrants, I highly doubt they'd want to rot in camps for decades to come until our situation is fixed.I'd gladly welcome migrants if EU would help us do something about our and other countries' home affairs first.
He's still a twat though, he says this yet he considers gypsies useful workforce(he calls them "hidden workforce" lol) despite 90% of them not working at all and instead robbing, killing, stealing and whatnot.
We'd glady trade migrants for our gypsies though, maybe we could get them to work instead of our current parasites.
Hoppy said: Hungary doesn't need any economic migrants.
i say iff they are oood workers among them take the in
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"
When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
Hoppy said: Hungary doesn't need any economic migrants.
i say iff they are oood workers among them take the in
latest studies show that 74% (can't remeber the exact number, but it was around 74%) of them will never have any economical value to us - especially those from africa.
The FIDESZ (the Hungarian ruling party) are more center-conservative than right-wing. The actual right-wingers are the rivals of both the left wing and the conservatives. "The leader" has been fueling anti-immigrant sentiment since before this conga line started so no, he is not a populist bandwagon-jumper like Cameron or the Austrians.
There are also posters financed by the government saying "If you come to Hungary, you have to respect or culture!"
There was a public voting about the support for the refugee quota and 80%+ didn't want anything to do with refugees.
The EU was supposed to be an economic union that abolishes borders, not a superstate that forces laws on it's members and changes the population of countries on purpose. Besides, not even the "refugees" want to stay here...I'd think if they were so poor and hopeless they would just be happy with any European country that's peaceful and wouldn't want to go to the countries that happen to be much richer...
As I said many times before, about 20% of the population is poor (about 2 million people), we don't want more poor people with no formal education to feed and support.
Also, does no one remember the time when the Austrian chancellor called us racist bigots for building a wall on the border and refusing refugees? Anyone curious what the Austrians are doing right now? They are planning to build a fence on the Hungarian border to stop refugees and illegal immigrants from coming to their country. Interestingly enough, we got shat on by her holiness Merkel, first of her name, queen of the Eurocucks and liberals, but for some reason her holiness has yet to scold Austria for doing the same thing. Her holiness also forgot to scold her minions for cheating on the Austrian elections (to stop the right wing from winning). Somehow several villages got more votes in (for the pro-refugee side of course) than the villages' total population.
Hoppy said: Hungary doesn't need any economic migrants.
i say iff they are oood workers among them take the in
latest studies show that 74% (can't remeber the exact number, but it was around 74%) of them will never have any economical value to us - especially those from africa.
lol he European Econmany is stagnant or close to it and over all i tihnk here thee ecmpany is wrck by war like alot of say sudan or murttian are just as bad a Syria is if you look at that aera not here econmany is growing unlime most of EU one are not
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"
When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
HaXXspetten said: imagine if every European country had that standpoint
some countries need migrants like japan for example : Japan needs immigrants to boost population or could lose to China by minister
Japan should craft an "integrated" immigration policy to cope with its shrinking population, or risk losing out to an ageing China in competition for vital foreign workers, the cabinet minister for administrative reform said on Thursday.
and even some countries in Eu
so there's positive and negatives things about migrants
Hoppy said: Hungary doesn't need any economic migrants.
i say iff they are oood workers among them take the in
How they can be good workers? They have none or minimal education, most of them come from medieval level societies and worse they dont want to work they want to parasite from europeans money and work
Hoppy said: Hungary doesn't need any economic migrants.
i say iff they are oood workers among them take the in
How they can be good workers? They have none or minimal education, most of them come from medieval level societies and worse they dont want to work they want to parasite from europeans money and work
lol you elesist you think people who are most of the people who powered the factories of industrial revolution wrre the thise poor un educated people
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"
When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
Don't let foul yourself. He is not a good guy. He is a corrupt bastard. He's only saying this, because he has a very good sense to know what the folk want to hear. Orbán has too many scandals, and he cleary know the only way to keeping his supporters is the migrant-crisis.
Dave8814 said: Don't let foul yourself. He is not a good guy. He is a corrupt bastard. He's only saying this, because he has a very good sense to know what the folk want to hear. Orbán has too many scandals, and he cleary know the only way to keeping his supporters is the migrant-crisis.
Yeah, this is just there to give a massive boner to our elderly who will keep blindly following him like they did with Gyurcsány back in the day.At least Gyurcsány was a mildly amusing character in his own right.
Dave8814 said: Don't let foul yourself. He is not a good guy. He is a corrupt bastard. He's only saying this, because he has a very good sense to know what the folk want to hear. Orbán has too many scandals, and he cleary know the only way to keeping his supporters is the migrant-crisis.
Yeah, this is just there to give a massive boner to our elderly who will keep blindly following him like they did with Gyurcsány back in the day.At least Gyurcsány was a mildly amusing character in his own right.
Yep, and so here we are thx to our "great" elders, who belive everything what orban say, they don't even care he did nothing, he is only fighting in the lvl of words. His band stole and sold the whole country? Who cares? He said reduce overhead... And his opponent is our "liberal youth"... Man, democracy just sucks.
I say at the very minimum force "refugees" through the same legal immigration process as another random person from any other country would have to go through. And limit it to a number that is sustainable. Doing anything else out of half-assed "compassion" is simply idiotic. So in the practical sense the Hungarian prime minister is not wrong. I do disagree with him about immigration in itself being unacceptable though, but I don't know more about his stances other than this left-winged-biased article was saying so I leave it at that.
Considering the industrial age long ago ended for Western civilizations, I believe he's quite correct. The best use we could have for these people is sending them to countries like China and India, better yet Malaysia or Pakistan, that they'd fit in a little better culturally(muslims and what not). They haven't the skills, education or mentality to take on work beyond that of laymen. These people and this situation is just a fire pit that European countries seemingly love to throw their money into.
I am on the edge ! The edge of the edgiest edge ever edged by edgekind !
я умерте ужасну депрессии...
Poison is a very apt description seen as most are economic migrants like when that interviewer went looking for Syrian refugees at a migrant camp and only found one who was a man the rest from all over.
Poison is integrated into a healthy body and slowly destroys it, breaking it down and spreading throughout the system. Very apt really considering the reality of the migrants impact on European society.
HaXXspetten said: imagine if every European country had that standpoint
some countries need migrants like japan for example : Japan needs immigrants to boost population or could lose to China by minister
Japan should craft an "integrated" immigration policy to cope with its shrinking population, or risk losing out to an ageing China in competition for vital foreign workers, the cabinet minister for administrative reform said on Thursday.
and even some countries in Eu
so there's positive and negatives things about migrants
Japan could lose up a bit (mainly open up to other OECD countries) and for instance recognize dual citizenship, but going the same way as the EU did is not a solution. What they have to do is to make reforms in their domestic policies. Their social dynamics are messed up and the economic structure is outdated.
Western countries need to do the same, but differently. Sometimes, the best thing to do is to wait.
Tourist said: By tipejos (ridiculous person) like this it is that the Left is so successful.
Where is the pro-Habsburg or pro-Capets in European politics?
I still hard to digest the fact that it is so difficult to see politicians who genuinely represent the millenary tradition.
The importation of immigrants is a consequence. The demographic suicide is the cause (massive abortions). If the unborn children were alive, the need of immigrants would unthinkable.
That stupid Margaret Thatcher used to say that Europe was weak, but did not realize also she was weak, because, what kind of Right promotes "new socialist man"? Are not the mass abortions promoted by Thatcher something sucked by the Communists?
Abortions are a consequence of a decadent society, and decadence is a consequence of liberalism and individualism which ultimately breeds nation-wide egoism.
The western society lost its desire to reproduce and marry at sustainable rates, because who wants to be burdened by children when the cool thing to do today is the pursuit of personal career and wealth. Gender roles? Family? Traditions? Religion? Pft. None of that matters, we're progressive now, and we're progressing towards the mass suicide of a civilization.
I suppose not taking in any immigrants whatsoever is still better than taking in most refugees/capita like Svärje
The importation of immigrants is a consequence. The demographic suicide is the cause (massive abortions). If the unborn children were alive, the need of immigrants would unthinkable.
Muh appeal to emotion!
The problem isn't that people in the Western world are aborting their fetuses, it's that people in places like the Middle East and Africa aren't.
The world is already overpopulated as it is, the last thing our planet is is another x million (unwanted) mouths to feed
TyrelAug 2, 2016 7:02 PM
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Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained
The importation of immigrants is a consequence. The demographic suicide is the cause (massive abortions). If the unborn children were alive, the need of immigrants would unthinkable.
Muh appeal to emotion!
The problem isn't that people in the Western world are aborting their fetuses, it's that people in places like the Middle East and Africa aren't.
Think of all the Islamic terrorists that could have been aborted.
The importation of immigrants is a consequence. The demographic suicide is the cause (massive abortions). If the unborn children were alive, the need of immigrants would unthinkable.
Muh appeal to emotion!
The problem isn't that people in the Western world are aborting their fetuses, it's that people in places like the Middle East and Africa aren't.
Think of all the Islamic terrorists that could have been aborted.
Issue is that Arab states don't allow abortions. And if you're found having premarital sex, you get jailed or deported.Worse if you get raped.
Source:I live in the UAE and the police came to our school to give us a lecture on drugs and premarital sex.
@Tomboy
Pretty strange when you think about it how birth rates are so high despite premarital sex outlawed. So of course this must mean a lot of marriages are rushed for it to be possible like that. Im aware some think even dating is bad so it's straight to marriage with only maybe some supervised type of dates ( forgot thee name of it) take place.
I'm just gonna copypaste some of what I posted on a thread where I argued with an anti abortionist awhile back when I was still on CR....
sorry to feel like I'm derailing further, but Tourist is pissing me off. I mean, he always has with his pretentiousness and attitude, the haughty belief that everything he copypastes from google and attempts to paraphrase as his own wording is somehow right or 'intellectually superior' while simultaneously supposedly 'condemning' people for 'parroting' information... tch....
I don't get how hard righters are supposed to be all about love and acceptance. For me, it seems that in some places, or according to some people, it is all about love and acceptance UNTIL they find someone doing something they don't like. Then it's perfectly fine to go on a witch hunt for people whose lifestyles or choices they don't approve of and shame them into oblivion. The same can be applied to sjws too these days, but I feel like hard righters are equally bad.
Even though the lifestyle of the alleged "evildoers" isn't hurting anyone else. If abortion isn't personally affecting you, besides offending you, I don't see why you should be screaming in disapproval.
I think what people don't get is that a woman wants an abortion like she wants to BITE HER ARM OFF. Nobody is BEGGING for one, nobody really WANTS ONE, but in many cases they have to get one due to complications or they FEEL they have to get one because they don't want to burden that unborn kid? You see the point here? Nobody's begging for it, but it's a necessary evil all the same? I'm pro choice and I agree that the procedure is painful, but it's like, well, would you rather have more disadvantaged children in the world?
And don't start me on "JUST GIVE IT UP FOR ADOPTION". Adoption my ASS. People have NO idea how TAXING childbirth is on a female body, let alone the body of a young teenager? People also have NO IDEA how complicated the adoption process IS. You can't just select some random childless couple to take care of the kid once its born you have to have multiple interviews, etc. many teens who end up accidentally pregnant and get abortions don't have TIME for that/
Nobody WANTS an abortion. The women who GET an abortion are often young, lost, desperate, and SCARED because of circumstances leading up to the abortion. The father often will leave if she's young to her own accord and won't take responsibility. The parents or guardians will threaten to disown their daughter gives birth to the child. There are many circumstances that some just CAN'T mentally handle being in, and you know what? when the mother GETS that abortion, the aftermath is NO picnic, she LIVES with the scars for years and years, because she felt even though it was a necessary evil, it leaves her with TRAUMA. It always does? Women who abort are human, to act like they are subhuman monsters with no feelings, no regrets, or no pain in the aftermath, is just plain CRUEL.
Put yourself in an aborter's shoes before judging them. Put yourself in that position. Imagine your parents were threatening to disown you. Imagine your body couldn't handle it. Imagine if the child were potentially deformed.
Also, let me also restate that the adoption process IS HARD. IT IS HARD. You can't go around saying it's easy and that every girl who wants to abort will automatically have someone POOF to her door, some childless couple, begging for that child. There's hoards of paperwork, constant meetings, which could interfere with a pregnant high schooler's HS schedule and potentially make for either her dropping out or getting behind? You see the problem here, yeah? Even in college, a girl would be so swamped with work that she'd have NO TIME for that. Don't even GET ME STARTED on the cost and the time consuming that is prenatal care and checkups.
Above all, I don't think the church and the state should intersect too much, if at all. The morals of the church can be incorporated into personal beliefs, but legislators shouldn't be allowed to shut down every abortion clinic except one, because of their personal beliefs, which, YES, basically happened in TX a couple years ago when Wendy Davis' filibuster went down. Personal ideas of morality from that religious standpoint shouldn't clash with what's considered lawful and what's not.
There is more degenerate behavior that comes with not accepting change and people for who they are and what they do, and putting yourself on a pedestal as superior, versus just settling with them that you don't necessarily agree with their opinions, but don't think outright that they're some subhuman monster for it.
traed said: @Tomboy
Pretty strange when you think about it how birth rates are so high despite premarital sex outlawed. So of course this must mean a lot of marriages are rushed for it to be possible like that. Im aware some think even dating is bad so it's straight to marriage with only maybe some supervised type of dates ( forgot thee name of it) take place.
From my anecdotal experience, Arab couples tend to have at least 3 kids.
Me too. Nobody wants a racemixed Europian United States.
Mikasa said: Who gives a fart about Hungary? That is a non-country...
Yeah, Who cares Hungary, and hungarians are here longer, than Germania :D
Honestly, I'm envy on you from a this "non-contry". You are lucky to burn as a "german". Germanistan with the lot of enlightened, iintelligent, tolerant, and open-minded people...
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