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Jul 20, 2016 1:19 PM
#1
This one will be lighthearted gang. So I been wondering to myself why is it when anime or any form of Japanese entrainment media not center around high school ends up being better than most mainstream stuff. Let me give three examples. Tokyo Mirage Sessions Chobits Oh My Goddess! Now I haven't finished TMS, but I really like how the game has focus on talking about the idol business while mixing in the fantasy elements. There is barely any mention of typical high school animu stuff and it's very refreshing since I can take the story more serious. Now for the other two anime I mention...if you wanted a review on them. Here you go...Chobits is really good (8 out of 10). Oh My Goddess is fucking amazing 9.5 out of 10). Getting that out of the way both shows have really strong male leads and female support. Both shows can't rely on typical high school tropes to save the days. So they spend last time showing them go to school and focus more on adjusting to what has recently changed in their lives. One guy has a cute little robot wife. The other has three somewhat attractive goddess living him helping him with his life. These shows feel so refreshing when you don't need to rely on the same old tired setting and tropes to write your story. Anyone else find themselves enjoying anime more when they get away from high school or approach in a unique way? (a.k.a. Prison School). |
MasterHavikJul 20, 2016 1:27 PM
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Jul 20, 2016 1:23 PM
#2
No. Highschool settings are fine, but I do wish they had characters a little older in a college setting more often. You can't say how much you like Chobits if you don't even know how to spell it. That anime was mediocre imo. Ah my goddess was better but still not that great. |
Jul 20, 2016 1:27 PM
#3
BadSuns said: I don't think they're fine. I mean...I have noticed all the big shows of the 2010s have not relied on the high school setting at all. Also mistakes happen dude and I always misspell by mistake that shouldn't make my point invalid. No. Highschool settings are fine, but I do wish they had characters a little older in a college setting more often. You can't say how much you like Chobits if you don't even know how to spell it. That anime was mediocre imo. Ah my goddess was better but still not that great. I mean you got KLK, PSG, OPM, AOT, Re:Zero, Death Parade, SAO, and if I am forgetting something please help. But yeah a lot of the high school shows are falling by the wayside. I know hat aren't at all. Kurko No Basket, Ping Pong the Animation, and Free. I know opinions on these shows vary. They all have done very well without relying on a high school setting. |
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Jul 20, 2016 1:28 PM
#4
Persona 3 and 4 center around high school, and they've become pretty successful... It's not about why it takes place in high school, but what happens in high school that matters. It's like what you said in your last line: MasterHavik said: Anyone else find themselves enjoying anime more when they get away from high school or approach in a unique way? (a.k.a. Prison School). |
Jul 20, 2016 1:30 PM
#5
Highschool setting =/= set of overused tropes. If anything, blame the overused tropes.. |
Jul 20, 2016 1:31 PM
#6
Tarotist said: I love Persona 3 more than 4...but that is not important here. You are 100% correct. I put that in there because I have been enjoying shows like Relife and Your Lie In April.Persona 3 and 4 center around high school, and they've become pretty successful... It's not about why it takes place in high school, but what happens in high school that matters. It's like what you said in your last line: MasterHavik said: Anyone else find themselves enjoying anime more when they get away from high school or approach in a unique way? (a.k.a. Prison School). -Stabbed- said: People got an excuse for them though when you call those tropes out. Highschool setting =/= set of overused tropes. If anything, blame the overused tropes.. |
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Jul 20, 2016 1:36 PM
#8
everyone knows middle school is where the fun is at |
Jul 20, 2016 1:37 PM
#9
Kouun said: Well, that´s like, your opinion, dude. omfg..... this is pretty much what i wanted to say lol.... ain't nothing wrong with finding an excuse to put cute young girls in short ass skirts |
Jul 20, 2016 1:37 PM
#10
Kouun said: And you know what? I'm okay with that. I'm just asking if anyone has felt the same way. Well, that´s like, your opinion, dude. So I ask you the same question. Have you felt the same way? romagia said: The years where I would love to forget. everyone knows middle school is where the fun at Mamster-P said: Okay but you're not really answering my question and think I'm attacking something you like. That isn't the case. It just has led to bad stereotypes about the media. I mean this setting kind of has overran the market and if the 2010s has proven anything is that you can be good without relying on the high school setting. You can be good without having teenagers as your main characters. Kouun said: Well, that´s like, your opinion, dude. omfg..... this is pretty much what i wanted to say lol.... ain't nothing wrong with finding an excuse to put cute young girls in short ass skirts And I know for a fact no one will disagree with those last two lines. |
MasterHavikJul 20, 2016 1:42 PM
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Jul 20, 2016 1:40 PM
#11
I like highschool settings cause highschool girls and highschool girls are hot af. |
Jul 20, 2016 1:42 PM
#12
There are some good shows that are in high school settings. There are some awful shows that are in high school settings. It is merely a setting. Manga and Anime producers use the setting as a form of familiarity it is ultimately up to them to produce a good manga or show. |
Jul 20, 2016 1:45 PM
#13
HecticLeo said: And guess what? That is fine. I like highschool settings cause highschool girls and highschool girls are hot af. firelice said: I should do one big mega list of all the shows set in high school and see if we can live without the setting. I think we can. I mean if one thing I love about the 2010s of anime is that there are more great shows that aren't set in high school. (Watch how many people ignore this tibbit of the 2010s since no one who reads my post thinks I am a hater of the 2010s.).There are some good shows that are in high school settings. There are some awful shows that are in high school settings. It is merely a setting. Manga and Anime producers use the setting as a form of familiarity it is ultimately up to them to produce a good manga or show. |
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Jul 20, 2016 1:52 PM
#14
MasterHavik said: Okay but you're not really answering my question and think I'm attacking something you like. That isn't the case. It just has led to bad stereotypes about the media. I mean this setting kind of has overran the market and if the 2010s has proven anything is that you can be good without relying on the high school setting. You can be good without having teenagers as your main characters. And I know for a fact no one will disagree with those last two lines. omfg you and this 2010+ bullshit, have you NOT watched pre-2010 anime lol? its like you're trolling... there were PLENTY of highschool anime pre-2010, infact, most were of highschoolers this is going to sound mean, but you ONLY HAVE 71 COMPLETIONS..... FREAKIN WATCH MORE ANIME...... god damn lol... theres 24523642624754657462624626 anime that are not hs settings, go watch those HecticLeo said: I like highschool settings cause highschool girls and highschool girls are hot af. QFFUCKINGT @MasterHavik im gonna say this cause of your profile avatar and im black but... NIGGA PAHLEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZ |
Jul 20, 2016 1:52 PM
#15
Oh it's you again. If I recall correctly, you're the trigger guy who hates HS setting. I'm sorry to disappoint you mate, but highschool setting is pretty fucking successful a lot of the times. Yes there are bad ones, but there are great shows to go along as well. And this thing is pretty subjective. I for example don't mind highschool setting in most Slice of Life anime. It's just a damn way for writers to convey the story/romance/character relations, just like sports genre is a way to convey a story. |
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Jul 20, 2016 2:01 PM
#16
MasterHavik said: I should do one big mega list of all the shows set in high school and see if we can live without the setting. I think we can. I mean if one thing I love about the 2010s of anime is that there are more great shows that aren't set in high school. (Watch how many people ignore this tibbit of the 2010s since no one who reads my post thinks I am a hater of the 2010s.). We need High Schools, and Middle Schools as a setting in general. Schools are perfect places for a place of familiarity and stories about Coming-of-Age or passing. A good example is Clannad which is entirely based in a High School environment. It shows Tomoya growing up and overcoming his past, it also marks a time in passing which ultimately directly goes into the sequel. I also like FLCL as an example, while set in a middle school, it also shows the trials and tribulations of a 12-year old boy and what his image of an adult is. Also features aliens, giant corporations, and a robot that comes out of the protagonists head. Assassination Classroom is also a good example. It shows the fears of growing up also the success of growing older. It is set in a middle school. Which features a gigantic tentacle monster that teaches Middle School. You can't directly correlate High School = Bad. It often serves different themes better. Schools are not good settings for the Good vs. Evil theme, but for coming-of-age they are amazing. I don't know if I should take you seriously. You put SAO as a great show. It was mediocre at best. |
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Jul 20, 2016 2:06 PM
#17
Highschool tropes isn't something that called "Amazing", "Masterpiece", "Popular". it's just a normal tropes. not popular, not really that good, not really that bad. just an okay tropes to most people views. watch it just to relax themselve. to me personally, i watch anything i want to watch depending on my mood. if i want some relaxing stuff, i will watch that then, but i doesn't necesarrly to be highschool anime too. and if i want to watch some other stuff, i will watch that for the time being... |
Jul 20, 2016 2:34 PM
#18
firelice said: WHOA!!! Hold up a second man. I don't think SAO is great so slow up. I said, " I know opinions on these shows vary. They all have done very well without relying on a high school setting." MasterHavik said: I should do one big mega list of all the shows set in high school and see if we can live without the setting. I think we can. I mean if one thing I love about the 2010s of anime is that there are more great shows that aren't set in high school. (Watch how many people ignore this tibbit of the 2010s since no one who reads my post thinks I am a hater of the 2010s.). We need High Schools, and Middle Schools as a setting in general. Schools are perfect places for a place of familiarity and stories about Coming-of-Age or passing. A good example is Clannad which is entirely based in a High School environment. It shows Tomoya growing up and overcoming his past, it also marks a time in passing which ultimately directly goes into the sequel. I also like FLCL as an example, while set in a middle school, it also shows the trials and tribulations of a 12-year old boy and what his image of an adult is. Also features aliens, giant corporations, and a robot that comes out of the protagonists head. Assassination Classroom is also a good example. It shows the fears of growing up also the success of growing older. It is set in a middle school. Which features a gigantic tentacle monster that teaches Middle School. One said: Do you have any evidence to back that up that isn't your opinion? The shows that I listed clearly tell me a different story. Majority of the amazing shows of the 2010s were not set in high school so what you are saying is false. Yes this is subjective, but when we just look at the 2010s...we get different story. Oh it's you again. If I recall correctly, you're the trigger guy who hates HS setting. I'm sorry to disappoint you mate, but highschool setting is pretty fucking successful a lot of the times. Yes there are bad ones, but there are great shows to go along as well. And this thing is pretty subjective. I for example don't mind highschool setting in most Slice of Life anime. It's just a damn way for writers to convey the story/romance/character relations, just like sports genre is a way to convey a story. You can't directly correlate High School = Bad. It often serves different themes better. Schools are not good settings for the Good vs. Evil theme, but for coming-of-age they are amazing. I don't know if I should take you seriously. You put SAO as a great show. It was mediocre at best. I have no opinion on SAO since I haven't seen all of it yet to form an opinion, but I do know it is a popular show that doesn't rely on the high school setting. I never said SAO is great. @Mamster-P: Actually yes I have...there were a lot of shows in the mid 2000s. You are really good at shouting when you hate differing opinions. I have seen plenty of high school anime of the 2000s...notice how I didn't slap a year on this friend s has been a thing since as long as I can remember. So it would be cool if you stopped yelling, "You need to watch more anime!! You're trolling!!" This is not how you debate. This just makes seem loud, annoying, and blind to opinions that don't fit your narrative. If I seriously counted how many animes were set in high school by the decades. I wouldn't be surprise if high school is the majority setting. Such etlisism and just shouting without hard evidence. I'll make this the last post to you since you, yaya, and quad have shown debate is a foreign concept to you. I mean you guys come off wanna be edgelords that should hang out in /r/ anime on their subreddit. |
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Jul 20, 2016 2:36 PM
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Jul 20, 2016 2:46 PM
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Jul 20, 2016 2:47 PM
#21
Do you notice how anime is more fun when it doesn't rely on a lot of action or ecchi or 'trippy imagery'? I don't know. I know a lot of high school anime are boring and rely on cliches, but so do a lot of adult Hollywood films about people in suits shooting in each other. Nothing about the high school setting prevents good writing or developed characters or deep themes. Youth is an integral part of being human and it should definitely be explored in fiction. |
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Jul 20, 2016 2:55 PM
#22
AnimeAddict117 said: It has been done to death and it seems to be the go to, if you wanna just a get show out there. why....whats so bad about highschool settings?? :/ zombie_pegasus said: I believe it is because...just look at all the major hit shows of the 2010s...yes we got some good hs shows but they are easily outnumbered by non-high school settings. Out of my favourites 3 are set in high school, 5 are set in elementary/middle school or involve them (including Usagi Drop), and two do not have any relation to school. You can take this as you will, but I don't believe the high school setting is a detriment. TheBrainintheJar said: The Hollywood films to anime set in high school is apples and oranges man. Do you notice how anime is more fun when it doesn't rely on a lot of action or ecchi or 'trippy imagery'? I don't know. I know a lot of high school anime are boring and rely on cliches, but so do a lot of adult Hollywood films about people in suits shooting in each other. Nothing about the high school setting prevents good writing or developed characters or deep themes. Youth is an integral part of being human and it should definitely be explored in fiction. Yes youth is an integral part of being human....but you can still sue young characters without using school. And I feel high school doesn't prevent good writing or developed characters since why focus that since you can just spam the tropes we seen before from the festival, sports day, summer vacation, exam day, and maybe a beach episode. You can make 12eps series out of what I just listed. Granted a show like Prison School say fuck that...and the rest is history. |
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Jul 20, 2016 2:56 PM
#23
AnimeAddict117 said: why....whats so bad about highschool settings?? :/ Shhh, it's cool to hate on mainstream stuff. |
Jul 20, 2016 2:58 PM
#24
TiaDee said: Jesus...I love your posts. AnimeAddict117 said: why....whats so bad about highschool settings?? :/ Shhh, it's cool to hate on mainstream stuff. Anyway you are right in general...but idk man high school setting could be consider mainstream if the non-hs setting didn't outnumber it. But hey, I'm just asking the questions people mention but no one every sits down to have a chat about. |
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Jul 20, 2016 3:02 PM
#25
I would say if you 're the age of like 13-23ish it doesn't bother you (obviously just my opinion, but could apply to some) because alcohol, relationships, drugs, and careers become real after that age. But if you've been watching anime for several years now the HS setting is just wayy too overused. When I read a synopsis of a show I specifically look for whether it's in a highschool setting or not. Not saying that it makes it a bad anime by any means, but the amount of shows that slap on a highschool setting background is unreal. Even to the point where you almost applaud a show simply for NOT having a typical HS settings, like it actually becomes a positive factor lol. |
Jul 20, 2016 3:06 PM
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anonypc said: I would say if you 're the age of like 13-23ish it doesn't bother you (obviously just my opinion, but could apply to some) because alcohol, relationships, drugs, and careers become real after that age. But if you've been watching anime for several years now the HS setting is just wayy too overused. When I read a synopsis of a show I specifically look for whether it's in a highschool setting or not. Not saying that it makes it a bad anime by any means, but the amount of shows that slap on a highschool setting background is unreal. Even to the point where you almost applaud a show simply for NOT having a typical HS settings, like it actually becomes a positive factor lol. OMG some give this guy a medal. He gets it!! Now I really should do what I was thinking and just compare and contrast shows that are set in high school or not. You don't have to agree with me man, but you have won the thread man. I don't think high school setting makes an anime bad...but you kind of get tired of it after awhile. I mean I am at the near end of that age range you just posted and I am leaning towards being sick of it but then....the 2010s came along. |
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Jul 20, 2016 3:12 PM
#27
MasterHavik said: anonypc said: I would say if you 're the age of like 13-23ish it doesn't bother you (obviously just my opinion, but could apply to some) because alcohol, relationships, drugs, and careers become real after that age. But if you've been watching anime for several years now the HS setting is just wayy too overused. When I read a synopsis of a show I specifically look for whether it's in a highschool setting or not. Not saying that it makes it a bad anime by any means, but the amount of shows that slap on a highschool setting background is unreal. Even to the point where you almost applaud a show simply for NOT having a typical HS settings, like it actually becomes a positive factor lol. OMG some give this guy a medal. He gets it!! Now I really should do what I was thinking and just compare and contrast shows that are set in high school or not. You don't have to agree with me man, but you have won the thread man. I don't think high school setting makes an anime bad...but you kind of get tired of it after awhile. I mean I am at the near end of that age range you just posted and I am leaning towards being sick of it but then....the 2010s came along. Haha it's all good man I consider myself somewhat oldschool so I can get what you're saying for sure. The reason you just don't see more people speak up is simply because they don't use MAL, but i'm sure there are several old school fans still that are not socially active. Somewhere in the world.... haha |
Jul 20, 2016 3:19 PM
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anonypc said: You got a point there man. At the end of the day I want the best for anime.MasterHavik said: anonypc said: I would say if you 're the age of like 13-23ish it doesn't bother you (obviously just my opinion, but could apply to some) because alcohol, relationships, drugs, and careers become real after that age. But if you've been watching anime for several years now the HS setting is just wayy too overused. When I read a synopsis of a show I specifically look for whether it's in a highschool setting or not. Not saying that it makes it a bad anime by any means, but the amount of shows that slap on a highschool setting background is unreal. Even to the point where you almost applaud a show simply for NOT having a typical HS settings, like it actually becomes a positive factor lol. OMG some give this guy a medal. He gets it!! Now I really should do what I was thinking and just compare and contrast shows that are set in high school or not. You don't have to agree with me man, but you have won the thread man. I don't think high school setting makes an anime bad...but you kind of get tired of it after awhile. I mean I am at the near end of that age range you just posted and I am leaning towards being sick of it but then....the 2010s came along. Haha it's all good man I consider myself somewhat oldschool so I can get what you're saying for sure. The reason you just don't see more people speak up is simply because they don't use MAL, but i'm sure there are several old school fans still that are not socially active. Somewhere in the world.... haha |
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Jul 20, 2016 3:21 PM
#29
The high school setting is fine. You know why so many anime have high school settings? Because a lot of those anime are aimed at high schoolers. However, as you have said, there are plenty of good anime set outside of high school as well. But that doesn't mean that high school setting=bad. I could have easily made a thread that was "I think the last 5-6 years have proven that High School animes can be good" and listed some examples as well. It means basically nothing |
Jul 20, 2016 3:24 PM
#30
MasterHavik said: Jesus...I love your posts. Umm... thanks! (lol don't know how to react to compliments) The issue that others are pointing out as well is that you can't state that the setting itself is bad. It's just a device used to tell a (good or shit) story. I agree that the setting is overused, but at the same the if you were to decide to watch all the other anime without a HS setting it would still take you years to finish this task, so it's not like there isn't any alternative. In fact this might be a great opportunity to explore new genres and discover hidden gems, I find that quite exciting tbh. |
Jul 20, 2016 3:29 PM
#31
MasterHavik said: @Mamster-P: Actually yes I have...there were a lot of shows in the mid 2000s. You are really good at shouting when you hate differing opinions. I have seen plenty of high school anime of the 2000s...notice how I didn't slap a year on this friend s has been a thing since as long as I can remember. So it would be cool if you stopped yelling, "You need to watch more anime!! You're trolling!!" This is not how you debate. This just makes seem loud, annoying, and blind to opinions that don't fit your narrative. If I seriously counted how many animes were set in high school by the decades. I wouldn't be surprise if high school is the majority setting. Such etlisism and just shouting without hard evidence. i just took a nap so i couldn't lol irl...... yelling? and what is there to debate? you're putting this non existent "angry" label on me where it doesn't belong its the majority setting.... so what? Japanese people love youth, and many of them look like HS'ers even when adults |
Jul 20, 2016 3:34 PM
#32
Agree with you OP. Fuck the highschool setting, it was ok for the first few anime but at this point I'm sick of it. The Japanese with their youth obsession.... |
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Jul 20, 2016 3:46 PM
#33
TiaDee said: Well...I am giving you props because you don't sit up and bash me and answer my question. You also give effective counter arguments and challenge me to think critically. MasterHavik said: Jesus...I love your posts. Umm... thanks! (lol don't know how to react to compliments) The issue that others are pointing out as well is that you can't state that the setting itself is bad. It's just a device used to tell a (good or shit) story. I agree that the setting is overused, but at the same the if you were to decide to watch all the other anime without a HS setting it would still take you years to finish this task, so it's not like there isn't any alternative. In fact this might be a great opportunity to explore new genres and discover hidden gems, I find that quite exciting tbh. You make an excellent point though. I mean I like shows like Maria The Witch and I Wanna Be The Strongest In The World. @Omni_slash95: That's one way to approach it. LOL!!! @Octavor: You right high school setting doesn't equal bad but it is always good to see shows not l back on it. Also I fucking love your avatar. EVA for life. Funny since EVA falls under the category of a set in middle school or high school I guess, but pretty much ignores it and focuses on the characters and struggles. |
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Jul 20, 2016 3:47 PM
#34
I don't know, probably because it's cliche and probably the most overused theme ever? You knew the answer to your question before you asked... Also, Chi isn't his wife, she's classified as a waifu. The MC of that show is wierd, remember that |
Jul 20, 2016 3:50 PM
#35
OneSexyBear said: I did, but do others see it? I am just wondering and asking you guys mean I could say that but face a massive backlash from the younger fans telling me I'm a hipster.I don't know, probably because it's cliche and probably the most overused theme ever? You knew the answer to your question before you asked... |
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Jul 20, 2016 4:11 PM
#36
Basing a question around a preconception that isn't true. >I have noticed all the big shows of the 2010s have not relied on the high school setting at all Apart from every Kyoani show ever, and they're pretty popular. Also the monogatari series is a big one. Not to mention that the 3 most popular series that started airing this season are High school stuff. Hell I remember Boku Hero Academia and Kiznaiver being pretty hyped last season. |
Jul 20, 2016 4:29 PM
#37
I think you're not grasping the idea that the setting isn't what makes anime "worse". A setting is.... a setting. It's just an element of the story. While I do agree it affects the show, it's definitely not the overwhelming reason for what makes anime good or bad. If you look at the top 50/100 anime, you can see a bunch of them are school life. But if you're thinking most of the top 50/100 aren't in high school setting, that's simply because most anime are not about school life! Mathematically, school life anime only make up the portion of all series/movies, and surely most of them don't have a high school setting. And obviously, statistically MOST of the "REALLY GOOD" anime don't have a high school setting. I'm not sure if I explained this clearly enough but, what I'm saying is an anime either has a school setting, or it doesn't; and logically most of them do not have a school setting since school is simply one out of countless settings out there. If you're confused about this post, I apologize if I explained it rather poorly and quote me because I'll be happy to talk about it further! |
Jul 20, 2016 4:34 PM
#38
Because it means some effort and not just blatant otaku pandering. |
Jul 20, 2016 4:35 PM
#39
I get tired of the same banal setting as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't go so far as to say non-HS settings are automatically better. It's always nice to see a different setting, but then at that point you're running the risk of liking something just because it's different, and not because it actually posseses any merits on its own. For every shitty and generic highschool anime, there's a great one out there that uses the highschool setting in a good manner, or simply avoids all the typical clichés and tropes one would usually associate with them. As for why there's so many of them - you have to look at one of the biggest demographics that anime is aimed at - teenagers. They're the ones who're currently at highschool; it appears quite appealing for upcoming authors to aim their stories at the one of the biggest groups and thus have the biggest chance of success since there'll be more people reading / watching their fiction. Teenagers will be the ones who will most likely relate to and connect with the characters they're seeing. It's also just an incredibly easy setting. You don't need to think of any crazy shit; just slap them in a highschool and voila, the world-building is done. I do think it's a bit of a shame in that regard, because it just allows authors to be lazy since the highschool setting is so ridiculous established. But still, that's not to say that there aren't any fresh and new highschool anime. From my experience, I think comedy and slice-of-life anime are the best that highschool settings have to offer. This could be down to my own personal bias, of course - comedies are my absolute favourite, and SoLs are both relaxing and funny - but I think with such a simple setting, a simple premise works best. When I think of some of the funnier comedies I've seen, such as NichiBros, Prison School, Sakamoto desu ga? and NouCome, they all take place in highschools with highschool characters. Highschool stuff can be pretty damn funny. But on the other side of that, I can think of dozens of anime that tried to go for a more 'serious' plot - defeat the bad guys, protect your friends, all that shit - and they more often than not were average at best. A lot of that is down to poor writing more than anything else, which the highschool setting is nothing more than a by-product of. A mediocre writing relying on every trope in the book, that just so happens to encompass highschools and every type of boob-grab and embarassed twat imaginable. They also tend to have some polar extremes of switching between the serious "defeat bad guys!" into "Lol I can see your panties" cringiness; the tone of them is all over the place. The currently airing Taboo Tattoo is an awful offender of this. I don't really get what the show is trying to be; one second people are getting fucked up and stabbed with blood spattering everywhere, the next an adult goes around molesting kids because "Lol this is funny!!!!". At least comedies stick with the same tone throughout. But no, I wouldn't go so far as to paint all highschool settings with the same brush. There are plenty of good ones, but there's just so many of them that it gives off the impression of them all being bad. When a large portion of anime are set in highschool, it makes sense that a lot of them will seem shitty or mediocre because of the sheer amount of them. I mentioned it in your other thread; it's not that there's more worse and fewer decent anime, but there's just a fuckton more average stuff being pumped out nowadays because there's just more anime in general. I do think there are plenty of anime that would have been so much better if they didn't have teenagers as the main cast though. It gets somewhat tedious sitting through ridiculously over-embarassed about abso-fucking-lutely everything dense twat #31231244. More adults or maturer characters regardless of age in general would be nice. |
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Jul 20, 2016 4:37 PM
#40
WTF is Tokyo Mirage Sessions? You rail on HS settings, then give....those examples LOL? |
Jul 21, 2016 12:18 AM
#41
MasterHavik said: AnimeAddict117 said: It has been done to death and it seems to be the go to, if you wanna just a get show out there. why....whats so bad about highschool settings?? :/ zombie_pegasus said: I believe it is because...just look at all the major hit shows of the 2010s...yes we got some good hs shows but they are easily outnumbered by non-high school settings. Out of my favourites 3 are set in high school, 5 are set in elementary/middle school or involve them (including Usagi Drop), and two do not have any relation to school. You can take this as you will, but I don't believe the high school setting is a detriment. TheBrainintheJar said: The Hollywood films to anime set in high school is apples and oranges man. Do you notice how anime is more fun when it doesn't rely on a lot of action or ecchi or 'trippy imagery'? I don't know. I know a lot of high school anime are boring and rely on cliches, but so do a lot of adult Hollywood films about people in suits shooting in each other. Nothing about the high school setting prevents good writing or developed characters or deep themes. Youth is an integral part of being human and it should definitely be explored in fiction. Yes youth is an integral part of being human....but you can still sue young characters without using school. And I feel high school doesn't prevent good writing or developed characters since why focus that since you can just spam the tropes we seen before from the festival, sports day, summer vacation, exam day, and maybe a beach episode. You can make 12eps series out of what I just listed. Granted a show like Prison School say fuck that...and the rest is history. Yes, some shows do use this formula because it's easy and people are lazy. But I don't see how it's the setting's fault that people don't know how to use it. Bamboo Blade, Azumanga and Stella's Women Academy are all very good anime. |
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Jul 27, 2016 5:36 PM
#42
Gymkata said: You don't have a Wii U? It's a crossover of SMT and FE RPG made by efforts of Atlus and intelligent systems. WTF is Tokyo Mirage Sessions? You rail on HS settings, then give....those examples LOL? You are an anime fan and you don't know about an RPG project, while yes was developed for a dead platform you didn't know of it? TheBrainintheJar said: I know and I love Azumanga Daioh.MasterHavik said: AnimeAddict117 said: why....whats so bad about highschool settings?? :/ zombie_pegasus said: Out of my favourites 3 are set in high school, 5 are set in elementary/middle school or involve them (including Usagi Drop), and two do not have any relation to school. You can take this as you will, but I don't believe the high school setting is a detriment. TheBrainintheJar said: Do you notice how anime is more fun when it doesn't rely on a lot of action or ecchi or 'trippy imagery'? I don't know. I know a lot of high school anime are boring and rely on cliches, but so do a lot of adult Hollywood films about people in suits shooting in each other. Nothing about the high school setting prevents good writing or developed characters or deep themes. Youth is an integral part of being human and it should definitely be explored in fiction. Yes youth is an integral part of being human....but you can still sue young characters without using school. And I feel high school doesn't prevent good writing or developed characters since why focus that since you can just spam the tropes we seen before from the festival, sports day, summer vacation, exam day, and maybe a beach episode. You can make 12eps series out of what I just listed. Granted a show like Prison School say fuck that...and the rest is history. Yes, some shows do use this formula because it's easy and people are lazy. But I don't see how it's the setting's fault that people don't know how to use it. Bamboo Blade, Azumanga and Stella's Women Academy are all very good anime. |
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Jul 27, 2016 5:43 PM
#44
I don't know where you're getting this idea, OP, but I think it's more like you're getting the feeling that the high school setting is overused (which it is), hence the feeling that you think the non-high school setting is better. So in my case, an anime that is not set in high school is certainly fresh and not typical, but by no means does that mean it'll be better. It really all depends. |
Jul 27, 2016 5:45 PM
#45
Lobinde said: Look down below Epliswich pretty much helped you out. Question doesn't make sense so I can't answer it. eplipswich said: Just something I have noticed in my time with watching anime since the 90s and looking at the shows I like. I noticed a good chunk of them are not set in high school.I don't know where you're getting this idea, OP, but I think it's more like you're feeling that the high school setting is overused (which it is), hence the feeling that you think non-high school setting seems better. So in my case, an anime that is not set in high school is certainly fresh and not typical, but by no means does that mean it'll be better. It really all depends. |
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Jul 27, 2016 5:48 PM
#46
This is not true at all OP. Highschool settings do not directly affect the quality of a show at all. There are good and bad shows with highschool settings. There are good and bad shows without them. ERASED doesn't involve highschool(it involves elementary school, where the real mature kids are) and it was shit. Durarara did, and Durarara is great. Concrete Revolutio didn't and it's great. MasterHavik said: BadSuns said: I don't think they're fine. I mean...I have noticed all the big shows of the 2010s have not relied on the high school setting at all. Also mistakes happen dude and I always misspell by mistake that shouldn't make my point invalid. No. Highschool settings are fine, but I do wish they had characters a little older in a college setting more often. You can't say how much you like Chobits if you don't even know how to spell it. That anime was mediocre imo. Ah my goddess was better but still not that great. I mean you got KLK, PSG, OPM, AOT, Re:Zero, Death Parade, SAO, and if I am forgetting something please help. But yeah a lot of the high school shows are falling by the wayside. I know hat aren't at all. Kurko No Basket, Ping Pong the Animation, and Free. I know opinions on these shows vary. They all have done very well without relying on a high school setting. >OPM >AOT >Re:Zero >Death Parade >SAO >Highschool OP did you even watch these shows? |
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Jul 27, 2016 5:50 PM
#47
MasterHavik said: Lobinde said: Look down below Epliswich pretty much helped you out. Question doesn't make sense so I can't answer it. eplipswich said: Just something I have noticed in my time with watching anime since the 90s and looking at the shows I like. I noticed a good chunk of them are not set in high school.I don't know where you're getting this idea, OP, but I think it's more like you're feeling that the high school setting is overused (which it is), hence the feeling that you think non-high school setting seems better. So in my case, an anime that is not set in high school is certainly fresh and not typical, but by no means does that mean it'll be better. It really all depends. Okay that helps, the thread title was a question that answers its own question with a subjective statement so it didn't make sense. I really don't think the high school setting is that overused. If anything I would say medieval fantasy settings are more overused right now, and there is still opportunity to do different things with the highschool setting, some examples being Monogatari series and Nichijou. As I hope we all know different =/= good but the two examples I mentioned are for sure highschool setting anime that don't feel like the majority of highschool settings. |
Jul 27, 2016 5:54 PM
#48
I feel as if a high school setting gives authors/mangakas the power to make their characters do really shitty things and then do the usual excuse of "teenagers are fucking dumb." |
Jul 27, 2016 5:58 PM
#49
RainyRai said: Uh...yes? That is very rude question to ask. This is not true at all OP. Highschool settings do not directly affect the quality of a show at all. There are good and bad shows with highschool settings. There are good and bad shows without them. ERASED doesn't involve highschool(it involves elementary school, where the real mature kids are) and it was shit. Durarara did, and Durarara is great. Concrete Revolutio didn't and it's great. MasterHavik said: BadSuns said: No. Highschool settings are fine, but I do wish they had characters a little older in a college setting more often. You can't say how much you like Chobits if you don't even know how to spell it. That anime was mediocre imo. Ah my goddess was better but still not that great. I mean you got KLK, PSG, OPM, AOT, Re:Zero, Death Parade, SAO, and if I am forgetting something please help. But yeah a lot of the high school shows are falling by the wayside. I know hat aren't at all. Kurko No Basket, Ping Pong the Animation, and Free. I know opinions on these shows vary. They all have done very well without relying on a high school setting. >OPM >AOT >Re:Zero >Death Parade >SAO >Highschool OP did you even watch these shows? I have finished three of those series in that list. If I recall I gave two of the three series (AOT, PSG, and KLK) a perfect score. The others I have seem a good amount of episodes but haven't finished them yet. So once again that was very rude dude. I preface that statement with," Opinions may vary" because I know every show I listed has either a light to VERY strong negative group of critics for them. Anyway I listed all those shows because they were big shows that got big and didn't need a high school. Even with Kill la kill since you can't call that a typical high school setting since....later on...well...I'm not going to spoil here but you know what I wanna say. Now to answer the top part. I should say when you get out of high school your show is 100% better you can face other problems....like Erased being crappy murder mystery. But to say it isn't true at all is a lie because the shows I listed proves that anime without a high school setting are becoming big hits. Yes there are some great shows with the high school setting but that doesn't mean it can get tiring after awhile. Why do you think people love Spaltoon so much? While yes the shooting game genre is overplayed to death but a games like Splatoon and Overwatch brought something new to the table and now have massive fanabses for them. It is possible to breath life into an old formula. Never said it was impossible. |
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Jul 27, 2016 6:00 PM
#50
I like to watch anime outside of the highschool settings because I am 27 years old and have been seeing the same boring highschool tropes used over and over for almost 17 years -_-. Lets nominate the class president, we're forcing you to join a club, ooops look at this girl that fell down the stairs, I am 1337 mc in the back left corner of classroom by a window, its usually all the same bullshit rehashed. Then there's the obligatory school festival, school trip, let's go to an onsen on break, athletic school event, beach episodes that always goes along with them. Plus, since I am closer to my 30's why would I care about some high school drama. It annoys me that lots of romance shows take place in highschool. Love can happen at all ages, and all those dumb misunderstandings that everyone hates can be avoided if they were older. They also may actually kiss, hold hands, have sex, and do other things than pussyfoot around. Genshikan is a good example of a college-aged anime. I enjoyed it a lot, since it had some minor adult themes to it and it didn't rely on the high school tropes. |
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