| I just watched the Fate series in the following order: Fate/zero, then Fate/stay night 2006, then Unimited Blade Works. I enjoyed them all, but alot of people recommend NOT watching the DEEN anime. I thought it was decent and it added to the viewing experience of Unlimited Blade Works. Leaving it out wpuld take away the whole different route angle, no? The reason I ask is because I want to recommend the series to a good friend and I am uncertain now. Also, what do you think of my viewing order itself? Fate zero before UBW or after? |
| Personally I loved Fate 2006, and the interaction and bond between Saber and Shirou was just great <3. Didn't like UBW as much because it was more focused on Shirou and Rin You even said you liked it, so it wasn't a mistake. |
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DoctorWasabi said: I thought so too. Since I watched Fate/Zero first, I only knew Saber as a total Badass. So that made her scenes with Shiro more.. jaw-dropping, to say the least.Personally I loved Fate 2006, and the interaction and bond between Saber and Shirou was just great <3 |
| well if you enjoyed fate/stay night 2006 more power to you. at that point you didnt "technically" make any mistake since 06 is loosly following the first route of the VN. if you walked away from 2006 and UBW with a better experience then even more power to you. UBW is in fact written with the assumption that you've gone through the fate route which 06 follows minus some additions.. |
Maloghurst said: I read that the 2006 series tried to incorporate all three routes into one and in fact spoils the other two routes. Do you mean that?well if you enjoyed fate/stay night 2006 more power to you. at that point you didnt "technically" make any mistake since 06 is loosly following the first route of the VN. |
puppetmazter said: yes it does, for example the entire caster conflict never happened in the fate route in fact she was killed almost as soon as she showed up. Sakura never had any involvement in the storyMaloghurst said: I read that the 2006 series tried to incorporate all three routes into one and in fact spoils the other two routes. Do you mean that?well if you enjoyed fate/stay night 2006 more power to you. at that point you didnt "technically" make any mistake since 06 is loosly following the first route of the VN. numerous of scenes that you saw in UBW were only actually UBW scenes. kuzuki never made a significant on screen appearance until UBW just to name a couple things. well, did you at least get the characters ideals, and their resolution? shirou's more so pays off in UBW..but did you at least get whats going on? the character actions and interractions arent limited to a single route they carry over. |
Maloghurst said: well, did you at least get the characters ideals, and their resolution? shirou's more so pays off in UBW..but did you at least get whats going on? the character actions and interractions arent limited to a single route they carry over. I’m not sure, but here is what I took away from the 2006 anime (please indulge me, as I fail to keep it any shorter) Shirou is the only survivor of that incident in his childhood. Kiritsugu, who saved him, becomes his idol. Feeling thankful, yet guilty for being the only one saved, Shirou promises Kiritsugu to become a hero of justice and save everyone, without sacrificing anyone. An ideal Kirutsugi himself gave up on. He grows up being excessively helpful and selfless; putting everyone’s safety and wishes before his own. Shirous approach is obviously flawed, but easily shrugged off as a typical shounen-protagonist virtue and not really questioned, no matter how ridiculous (e.g. saving Saber from Berserker). But then he confronts Saber about her wish to create an ideal past, saying that she should let go of her duties as a king and start living for herself. He thinks that she has already fulfilled her vows and doesn’t owe her people anything, but owes it to herself to be happy. Fighting is a burden, therefore she should stop. Saber calls him out on that, basically saying that Shirou is a hypocrite, because he himself doesn’t value his own life and therefor shouldn’t lecture her. Saber realizes that her wish was misguided. She is actually proud of her accomplishments in life and has no regrets as a king, therefore shouldn’t have sought after changing history. Since her actions were beyond reproach, she accepted the downfall of Briton as out of her reach. What’s left is a wish she always kept hidden in her heart, maybe the true ideal of herself. It appears to be a happy life as a girl, instead of being an ironclad knight. Her love for Shirou made her acknowledge this dream, which is why she has no use for the Holy Grail anymore (hence, he is the scabbard to her sword; Avalon/Utopia = their love maybe?). So maybe she finally reaches her own ideal, even if it’s just in a fleeting dream. Shirou goes on to put his life on the line in a battle against Kotomine, this time without the protection of the scabbard (the high point of his recklessness). He saves everyone and becomes the ideal, the hero of justice, by defeating his father’s adversary. With his last command spell, he orders Saber to destroy the Grail. Instead of trying to hold on to her, allows her to move on on her own terms (the peak of his selflessness). |
puppetmazterJul 11, 2016 1:07 PM
puppetmazter said: sounds about right.Maloghurst said: well, did you at least get the characters ideals, and their resolution? shirou's more so pays off in UBW..but did you at least get whats going on? the character actions and interractions arent limited to a single route they carry over. I’m not sure, but here is what I took away from the 2006 anime (please indulge me, as I fail to keep it any shorter) Shirou is the only survivor of that incident in his childhood. Kiritsugu, who saved him, becomes his idol. Feeling thankful, yet guilty for being the only one saved, Shirou promises Kiritsugu to become a hero of justice and save everyone, without sacrificing anyone. An ideal Kirutsugi himself gave up on. He grows up being excessively helpful and selfless; putting everyone’s safety and wishes before his own. Shirous approach is obviously flawed, but easily shrugged off as a typical shounen-protagonist virtue and not really questioned, no matter how ridiculous (e.g. saving Saber from Berserker). But then he confronts Saber about her wish to create an ideal past, saying that she should let go of her duties as a king and start living for herself. He thinks that she has already fulfilled her vows and doesn’t owe her people anything, but owes it to herself to be happy. Fighting is a burden, therefore she should stop. Saber calls him out on that, basically saying that Shirou is a hypocrite, because he himself doesn’t value his own life and therefor shouldn’t lecture her. Saber realizes that her wish was misguided. She is actually proud of her accomplishments in life and has no regrets as a king, therefore shouldn’t have sought after changing history. Since her actions were beyond reproach, she accepted the downfall of Briton as out of her reach. What’s left is a wish she always kept hidden in her heart, maybe the true ideal of herself. It appears to be a happy life as a girl, instead of being an ironclad knight. Her love for Shirou made her acknowledge this dream, which is why she has no use for the Holy Grail anymore (hence, he is the scabbard to her sword; Avalon/Utopia = their love maybe?). So maybe she finally reaches her own ideal, even if it’s just in a fleeting dream. Shirou goes on to put his life on the line in a battle against Kotomine, this time without the protection of the scabbard (the high point of his recklessness). He saves everyone and becomes the ideal, the hero of justice, by defeating his father’s adversary. With his last command spell, he orders Saber to destroy the Grail. Instead of trying to hold on to her, allows her to move on on her own terms (the peak of his selflessness). |
Maloghurst said: sounds about right. Ok, Im glad. Because this faq (https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/wiki/seriesfaq-fate) says that Shirou was not portrayed correctly. But as long as its essentially the same char from the novels, Im good. Thanks alot! |
puppetmazter said: they didnt really. i dont particularly feel like going into it because it's a headache and a half. you just gotta remember at the begining his "selflessness" is also a form of selfishness. he feels that becoming a "superhero" for him is the only form of fulfillment that he can possibly gain in life.Maloghurst said: sounds about right. Ok, Im glad. Because this faq (https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/wiki/seriesfaq-fate) says that Shirou was not portrayed correctly. But as long as its essentially the same char from the novels, Im good. Thanks alot! |
| Watching this anime was a mistake too |
Omni_slash95 said: Watching this anime was a mistake too Do you care to explain that opinion? |
| I personally did enjoy F/sn 2006 Some haters hate it just because it was not 100% faithful to the source material. But does that matter specially for anime only watcher ?! Not everyone cares about having 100% faithful adaptation puppetmazter said: I just watched the Fate series in the following order: Fate/zero, then Fate/stay night 2006, then Unimited Blade Works. I enjoyed them all, but alot of people recommend NOT watching the DEEN anime. I thought it was decent and it added to the viewing experience of Unlimited Blade Works. Leaving it out wpuld take away the whole different route angle, no? I watched them in this order too. If you enjoyed the anime then how it is a mistake that you watched it ?! |
thepath said: I watched them in this order too. If you enjoyed the anime then how it is a mistake that you watched it ?! Good point, I DID enjoy it. I guess its because I value the source material. Not because of the artistic integrity per se. But if I get invested in an adaptation, I cant help but sometimes doublecheck the original. Its conveniently easy with mangas, with visual novels not. And although its not uncommon for anime and manga to vary from each other, I somehow consider the latter as canon. Hey, its the original. Also, animes are often shortened versions, I sometimes want to read how a certain scene plays out. If its an anime filler, I tend to neglect it. Multiply this by 3 for each different route and you have confusion. Whats a spoiler? Whts a filler? Whats from a different route? Whats wrong depiction? |
puppetmazter said: Omni_slash95 said: Watching this anime was a mistake too Do you care to explain that opinion? It sucked ass compared to F/Z for me. |
| I personally did enjoy it |
puppetmazter said: I just watched the Fate series in the following order: Fate/zero, then Fate/stay night 2006, then Unimited Blade Works. I enjoyed them all, but alot of people recommend NOT watching the DEEN anime. I thought it was decent and it added to the viewing experience of Unlimited Blade Works. Leaving it out wpuld take away the whole different route angle, no? The reason I ask is because I want to recommend the series to a good friend and I am uncertain now. Also, what do you think of my viewing order itself? Fate zero before UBW or after? the 2006 is somehow better than UBW 2015 for me, but still no where near F/Z or KnK's level of enjoyment. Really looking foward to heaven's feel. |
spiwarAug 9, 2016 3:33 AM
| "Just because I’ve gotten weaker, it doesn’t mean that you got stronger, right?" - Accelerator |
| To be honest, either way is fine. But watching F/Z first would actually makes your expectation of F/SN be different and actually spoils a bit of the content of F/SN routes (Heaven's Feel especially). I watched the 2006 version first and then F/Z, before tried UBW movie in 2010 and UBW cours in 2014/2015, this actually kinda enhanced the experience of watching F/Z as you'll be curious about Kirei and Kiritsugu more after how they were mysteriously mentioned in a flashback in 2006 F/SN. And watching F/Z after knowing all 3 routes of F/SN would make the experience much better when watching F/Z last. So if your friend doesn't care about the long wait for the Heaven's Feel movie trilogy, then watch those along with 2006 (but with caution like other people said, or even read the VN for that route just to be safe and not spoiling any UBW content) and watching UBW 2014/2015 cours (i.e. Fate route loosely adapted 2006 version or read that route in VN ----> UBW 2014/2015 ----> Heaven's Feel trilogy in this order before viewing F/Z). But yeah, it's a pity that 2006 version had mixed with the other 2 routes and had butchered slightly some of the characters (most people complain about Shirou). It could be a good Fate route adaptation, and I loved the OSTs that Kenji Kawai had composed, it fits the route perfectly. |
chaosflame5Aug 9, 2016 3:32 PM
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chaosflame5 said: To be honest, either way is fine. But watching F/Z first would actually makes your expectation of F/SN be different and actually spoils a bit of the content of F/SN routes (Heaven's Feel especially). I watched the 2006 version first and then F/Z, before tried UBW movie in 2010 and UBW cours in 2014/2015, this actually kinda enhanced the experience of watching F/Z as you'll be curious about Kirei and Kiritsugu more after how they were mysteriously mentioned in a flashback in 2006 F/SN. And watching F/Z after knowing all 3 routes of F/SN would make the experience much better when watching F/Z last. So if your friend doesn't care about the long wait for the Heaven's Feel movie trilogy, then watch those along with 2006 (but with caution like other people said, or even read the VN for that route just to be safe and not spoiling any UBW content) and watching UBW 2014/2015 cours (i.e. Fate route loosely adapted 2006 version or read that route in VN ----> UBW 2014/2015 ----> Heaven's Feel trilogy in this order before viewing F/Z). But yeah, it's a pity that 2006 version had mixed with the other 2 routes and had butchered slightly some of the characters (most people complain about Shirou). It could be a good Fate route adaptation, and I loved the OSTs that Kenji Kawai had composed, it fits the route perfectly. Thanks, that was very helpful. I actually told him to read the VN, or in case he has no interest, at least not to start with F/Z. I inted to read the VN myself, before the movies come out. Can I start with Heavens Feel, or would you recommend reading the other two routes before that? |
puppetmazter said: Even though you've seen the 2006 version and UBW cours, I still suggest you to read the VN for those routes first before diving into Heaven's Feel, as 2006 wasn't a faithful adaptation of Fate route as you know and UBW cours still lacked a bit of stuff. I need to catch up with it myself, I only started Fate route. The original order for the PC version (which has a few scenes of hentai per route as it was an eroge VN) is Fate route ---> UBW ---> Heaven's Feel. By that way you'll know two-thirds of the content before go into HF route which would be a great help. Same goes for the Réalta Nua version released for PS2 and PS Vita (which have alternative scenes instead of the hentai scenes). If you are not going to buy the actual version from Japan and patch the unofficial English patch from Mirror Moon, then you can download one from Nyaa, one with 6GB. Then patch it with the 1GB-ish patch from Beasts Lair. BL has the patch that can allow you to have the Réalta Nua version but can toggle between the original PC version OSTs and remixed OSTs for RN version. As well as switch between hentai scenes and alternative scenes. And you also get all 5 opening themes (1 from PC version, one from PS2 version and 3 from PS Vita version).Thanks, that was very helpful. I actually told him to read the VN, or in case he has no interest, at least not to start with F/Z. I inted to read the VN myself, before the movies come out. Can I start with Heavens Feel, or would you recommend reading the other two routes before that? |
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chaosflame5 said: puppetmazter said: Even though you've seen the 2006 version and UBW cours, I still suggest you to read the VN for those routes first before diving into Heaven's Feel, as 2006 wasn't a faithful adaptation of Fate route as you know and UBW cours still lacked a bit of stuff. I need to catch up with it myself, I only started Fate route. The original order for the PC version (which has a few scenes of hentai per route as it was an eroge VN) is Fate route ---> UBW ---> Heaven's Feel. By that way you'll know two-thirds of the content before go into HF route which would be a great help. Same goes for the Réalta Nua version released for PS2 and PS Vita (which have alternative scenes instead of the hentai scenes). If you are not going to buy the actual version from Japan and patch the unofficial English patch from Mirror Moon, then you can download one from Nyaa, one with 6GB. Then patch it with the 1GB-ish patch from Beasts Lair. BL has the patch that can allow you to have the Réalta Nua version but can toggle between the original PC version OSTs and remixed OSTs for RN version. As well as switch between hentai scenes and alternative scenes. And you also get all 5 opening themes (1 from PC version, one from PS2 version and 3 from PS Vita version).Thanks, that was very helpful. I actually told him to read the VN, or in case he has no interest, at least not to start with F/Z. I inted to read the VN myself, before the movies come out. Can I start with Heavens Feel, or would you recommend reading the other two routes before that? Much appreciated. Then I will start with the Fate route. Ill go with the Eroge version. Might as well go all-out here. |
puppetmazter said: Yeah, since the hentai parts actually form part of the lore, while the non-hentai alt scenes (UBW especially as far as I know) actually broke the lore from what I've heard. Enjoy the VN :)Much appreciated. Then I will start with the Fate route. Ill go with the Eroge version. Might as well go all-out here. |
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| Purely my opinion but I thought it was good. |
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| Fate/Stay Night 2006 sucked. It was not the worst, but a real shitstain on the fame of the series. Unlimited Blade Works fixed the situation (as far as I can tell). |
| No, if it wasn't for Deen, Ufo wouldn't have gotten their hands on it. Plus it's actually a decent anime in itself. |
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| I liked it. And I read VN before. But Fate route was awful for me so I didn't mind all those changes. |
| 3 setps to become Masochist: 1. Read source material 2. Watch anime adaptation 3. Suffer Bonus Step: Tell everyone that anime is crap becouse Manga/Novel is better (duh..) How to find the worst trash anime ever, so bad that people should be ashamed for even knowing this trash exist: 1. Check your favorite anime 2. Enjoy your shit taste pleb Works everytime for everyone. |
| Personally, I found the Fate route horrible, and thank god the only one, in the VN so my opinion might be biased but the anime is still awful to me. |
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| The best fate was definitely Fate/Zero and is followed by Fate/Stay Night... Fate/Stay Night UBW is just a bad show! It completely destroys every good characters for the sake of Emiya (especially Gilgamesh!!! Tell me... If there's a mistake in watch any Fate is this one! The only good thing are the OP's! |
azertz99Jun 22, 2017 1:55 PM
| I wouldn't say it was a mistake, it was the first thing in the Fate/ series that I watched and it actually made Fate/Zero better for me. |
azertyY said: The best fate was definitely Fate/Zero and is followed by Fate/Stay Night... Fate/Stay Night UBW is just a bad show! It completely destroys every good characters for the sake of Emiya (especially Gilgamesh!!! Tell me... If there's a mistake in watch any Fate is this one! The only good thing are the OP's! Idk mate this sounds more like butthurt your fav lost than anything to do with characterisation, which would actually be what destroying the character means Not that Gil has any real character in either F/Z or SN, though; only CCC and SF |
Insertanamehere said: I like Gilgamesh but is not even one of my fav characters...Idk mate this sounds more like butthurt your fav lost than anything to do with characterisation, which would actually be what destroying the character means Not that Gil has any real character in either F/Z or SN, though; only CCC and SF Destroying a character for me is make him looks like a useless or ridiculous character in a sequel or in this case, another route. Saber, for exemple, what a hell was that? The all mighty Saber who was supposed to be the strongest in the Holy War (at least they say that the Saber class is sopposed to be the strongest) barely gets screen time and has no real fight, just goes swinging her sword through the field... -.- I got mad about Gil too because he really is supposed to be the strongest among the strongest and Emiya was like "I just got this power... I'm getting used to it... I can finally go along with his moves..."... Riiiiiiiight... That plot armour... -.- |
azertyY said: Insertanamehere said: I like Gilgamesh but is not even one of my fav characters...Idk mate this sounds more like butthurt your fav lost than anything to do with characterisation, which would actually be what destroying the character means Not that Gil has any real character in either F/Z or SN, though; only CCC and SF Destroying a character for me is make him looks like a useless or ridiculous character in a sequel or in this case, another route. Saber, for exemple, what a hell was that? The all mighty Saber who was supposed to be the strongest in the Holy War (at least they say that the Saber class is sopposed to be the strongest) barely gets screen time and has no real fight, just goes swinging her sword through the field... -.- I got mad about Gil too because he really is supposed to be the strongest among the strongest and Emiya was like "I just got this power... I'm getting used to it... I can finally go along with his moves..."... Riiiiiiiight... That plot armour... -.- Saber is pretty useless is UBW, I agree, but her story was in the Fate route of the VN which Ufotable chose not to adapt so that's on them And she was not the strongest in either war she was in, they just said the class is generally the strongest (which turned out as an irrelevant point in bother Zero and SN) Yeah like Kiritsugu pulled out his never seen or hinted at before power and used it to beat Kayneth. Well, not actually like that, ofc, since UBW was seen prior to the Gil fight. |
| I'd love to see an Ufotable TV series adaption of the Fate route, much like I've enjoyed the Ufotable version of the UBW route infinitely more than the 2010 DEEN movie (although one's a 105-minute film and one's a 2-season series, so it's not exactly a parallel comparison). That said, I still enjoyed the '06 DEEN take on the Fate route enough. I'm glad I watched it, I guess I should say. I'm glad to have that element of the FSN universe out there, even if it wasn't done as well as it could be. |
| I personally loved it, you liked it, so it cant be a mistake lol |
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