| NISA is at it again! They didn't even send it in to the ratings board uncensored. http://nisamerica.com/blog/CG2 |
| As expected. It's past time to boycott NISA entirely, because they are nothing but cancer to the localization industry. |
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| Looks like NISA needs to be 'motivated' |
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| Of course, of course, I didn't expect any less from the company that fucked up the English Dangan Ronpa localization Censorship, oy vey! |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Time to prepare the popcorn for Immahnoob vs Fai, round.... uh, what number are we at now? |
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| Import or don't buy, buying this disasterized version of the game is supporting corporate tyranny and the downfall of gaming. |
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| Well, I went on NISA's forums to display my stance on this: http://www.nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&p=886902#p886900 The reply I got wasn't exactly...attentive, to what I wrote. |
| I wouldn't even bother with their forums tbh. It's filled with censorship apologists, and NISA themselves are a lost cause. They will just continue to use the ESRB as a scapegoat, even though a game like this getting an AO is completely outside the bounds of reason. |
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Narmy said: It doesn't help that they didn't even bother sending it into ESRB uncensored; they censored it based on conjecture and suggestion, and that weakens their hiding behind ESRB a huge amount. That combined with all the other games that ESRB have been pretty chill with, it makes no sense.I wouldn't even bother with their forums tbh. It's filled with censorship apologists, and NISA themselves are a lost cause. They will just continue to use the ESRB as a scapegoat, even though a game like this getting an AO is completely outside the bounds of reason. But yeah, you're right. I got a really lengthy reply from a random NISA fan being super defensive and trying to justify every little thing NISA does. |
Battlechili said: Narmy said: It doesn't help that they didn't even bother sending it into ESRB uncensored; they censored it based on conjecture and suggestion, and that weakens their hiding behind ESRB a huge amount. That combined with all the other games that ESRB have been pretty chill with, it makes no sense.I wouldn't even bother with their forums tbh. It's filled with censorship apologists, and NISA themselves are a lost cause. They will just continue to use the ESRB as a scapegoat, even though a game like this getting an AO is completely outside the bounds of reason. But yeah, you're right. I got a really lengthy reply from a random NISA fan being super defensive and trying to justify every little thing NISA does. They won't tolerate any serious dissent anyway. The post at the bottom here perfectly sums up the issue, and it was deleted for seemingly no reason other than it casts doubt on their stance. https://archive.is/kapue |
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Battlechili said: http://www.nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=16915&start=210Narmy said: It doesn't help that they didn't even bother sending it into ESRB uncensored; they censored it based on conjecture and suggestion, and that weakens their hiding behind ESRB a huge amount. That combined with all the other games that ESRB have been pretty chill with, it makes no sense.I wouldn't even bother with their forums tbh. It's filled with censorship apologists, and NISA themselves are a lost cause. They will just continue to use the ESRB as a scapegoat, even though a game like this getting an AO is completely outside the bounds of reason. But yeah, you're right. I got a really lengthy reply from a random NISA fan being super defensive and trying to justify every little thing NISA does. Supposedly, they didn't want to risk it getting an AO, because the cost of submitting something to the ESRB is high, and they decided that localizing the game, submitting it, and then having to censor things due to AO rating that it could've gotten and resubmitting it would've been to costly. Take that how you will. |
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| Highly doubt this game would have gotten a AO. I've played the first game and nothing in it is even remotely close to AO, even if you factor in the uncensored content. Unless CG2 decided to take it a step further, which I wouldn't know since I haven't cared in the slightest to look up the new content for the game, this is just another dumb decision by NISA. They honestly seem to just censor anything slightly suggestive these days. So disappointed in them. |
Dragonage2ftw said: I think that they absolutely should have submitted the game uncensored first. I feel that that's essentially their duty as game publishers, and by not doing so due to costs they didn't do their part to try and release it proper. Its all excuses.http://www.nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=16915&start=210 Supposedly, they didn't want to risk it getting an AO, because the cost of submitting something to the ESRB is high, and they decided that localizing the game, submitting it, and then having to censor things due to AO rating that it could've gotten and resubmitting it would've been to costly. Take that how you will. |
Battlechili said: Dragonage2ftw said: I think that they absolutely should have submitted the game uncensored first. I feel that that's essentially their duty as game publishers, and by not doing so due to costs they didn't do their part to try and release it proper. Its all excuses.http://www.nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=16915&start=210 Supposedly, they didn't want to risk it getting an AO, because the cost of submitting something to the ESRB is high, and they decided that localizing the game, submitting it, and then having to censor things due to AO rating that it could've gotten and resubmitting it would've been to costly. Take that how you will. To be fair, the cost is well over $2500. That's pretty pricy. |
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Dragonage2ftw said: Battlechili said: http://www.nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=16915&start=210It doesn't help that they didn't even bother sending it into ESRB uncensored; they censored it based on conjecture and suggestion, and that weakens their hiding behind ESRB a huge amount. That combined with all the other games that ESRB have been pretty chill with, it makes no sense. But yeah, you're right. I got a really lengthy reply from a random NISA fan being super defensive and trying to justify every little thing NISA does. Supposedly, they didn't want to risk it getting an AO, because the cost of submitting something to the ESRB is high, and they decided that localizing the game, submitting it, and then having to censor things due to AO rating that it could've gotten and resubmitting it would've been to costly. Take that how you will. The cost is $800 for a game that costs under $250,000 to develop. I assume for a foreign game that this only takes into account the cost of localization, which is surely less than that. $800 is hardly a gigantic cost for them. That's less than 100 copies of one of their games, which would easily be made up by additional sales. |
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Narmy said: Dragonage2ftw said: http://www.nisamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=16915&start=210 Supposedly, they didn't want to risk it getting an AO, because the cost of submitting something to the ESRB is high, and they decided that localizing the game, submitting it, and then having to censor things due to AO rating that it could've gotten and resubmitting it would've been to costly. Take that how you will. The cost is $800 for a game that costs under $250,000 to develop. I assume for a foreign game that this only takes into account the cost of localization, which is surely less than that. $800 is hardly a gigantic cost for them. That's less than 100 copies of one of their games, which would easily be made up by additional sales. The article that the guy that isn't a developer provided is outdated. It's from 2009. The localizer guy said that the cost has changed significantly since that time. |
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| Sigh, I kinda expected this after what happened with CG: Invite Only, was only a matter of time before they would do the same thing. What that guy I will give him credit for is denouncing the SJW's and radical feminazis but it seems like a bit of typical PR talk was mixed in. I've seen some games that should've been AO rated but is not one of those games. Looks like I'm going have to see if our friends at Play Asia could hook a guy up with an import. |
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| I get why things would get censored in America, because puritans are still the majority in lawmaking and would determine the rating of something, and obviously NISA would want this to sell well, so they don't want an AO rating. Plus, when it comes to consoles and other major platforms (like Steam), the people in charge of the platform's company in a particular region get the final say whether they want it on the platform or not. If they really did ask other devs, lawyers and other folks about what they should do beforehand, they did the smart thing and saved themselves a lot of time and money that could be spent on developing new games. However, looking at their example, I don't even get what was supposed to be censored. Is bondage a bad thing now? That was extremely mild by bondage standards, and the pose and skimpy clothing was far more suggestive. And even that still didn't reveal any genitals or nipples. Calling it "motivation" instead of "punishment" sounds to me like it'd be even more suggestive, just in a slightly more nefarious-sounding way. One thing they could do is check for the option of releasing the uncensored stuff as DLC (which, if they want good PR, would be free), but it's possible Sony doesn't allow for "AO"-rated DLC for non-AO games. Until then, y'all who really want the bondage will have to import it and learn enough Japanese to play the game. |
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| No, it wouldn't have gotten an AO rating. Yes, they should have checked with the ESRB, the submission may cost money, but surely NISA understands that a lot of people will now avoid this because they just censored it. |
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| They must have made money off of the first Criminal Girls to even get the 2nd one localized. They're censoring probably one of the biggest selling points of Criminal Girls and yet, are somehow making a profit off of it unless they're just doing this to add to their 'list of games' they've localized. It's kind of odd too because I'd thought that the audience for this game would actually have a larger presence on the internet. CoD gets shit on all the time on the internet, but still sells a ton because they've got millions of consumers who don't even look at sites like Reddit, etc. that absolutely trash on the game. Criminal Girls seems like the type of game that its consumers would be more informed (via Interwebz) so would have done much more poorly in sales based on the backlash NISA received. Who knows though. I'm not too sure how localization works, nor how much time or money is put into it. Perhaps it's rather cheap to just throw a ton of JP games over here and make bad sales and still make a little money. |
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Immahnoob said: No, it wouldn't have gotten an AO rating. Yes, they should have checked with the ESRB, the submission may cost money, but surely NISA understands that a lot of people will now avoid this because they just censored it. Actually, the censored cut is getting an 18+ rating in Europe, so who knows? |
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Dragonage2ftw said: Immahnoob said: No, it wouldn't have gotten an AO rating. Yes, they should have checked with the ESRB, the submission may cost money, but surely NISA understands that a lot of people will now avoid this because they just censored it. Actually, the censored cut is getting an 18+ rating in Europe, so who knows? So do most games that get an M from the ESRB: http://www.pegi.info/en/index/global_id/505/?searchString=&agecategories=18&genre=&organisations=&platforms=&countries=&submit=Search#searchresults AO is for all intents and purposes a ban from being sold, PEGI 18 is not. |
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Narmy said: So do most games that get an M from the ESRB: http://www.pegi.info/en/index/global_id/505/?searchString=&agecategories=18&genre=&organisations=&platforms=&countries=&submit=Search#searchresults AO is for all intents and purposes a ban from being sold, PEGI 18 is not. All right. Thanks for letting me know. I'd still trust the paid professionals on this matter, rather than two guys on an Internet forum. |
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Dragonage2ftw said: PEGI is worse than the ESRB in terms of ratings but they will not stop them from being sold.Immahnoob said: No, it wouldn't have gotten an AO rating. Yes, they should have checked with the ESRB, the submission may cost money, but surely NISA understands that a lot of people will now avoid this because they just censored it. Actually, the censored cut is getting an 18+ rating in Europe, so who knows? ESRB is more lenient. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| So they released a new trailer and the comments lols. 2:1 dislike/like ratio. You can see a bit of the mini games in the trailers, I'm not sure how much is modified but I would guess it's mostly just changed CGs and no voices (as in moaning). |
| If the game were to be submitted and then changed because ESRB then you guys would totally be alright with it... right? Stop talking as if you care, you would complain either way. I don't know why they would want to bring over a game and piss off the kind of people who play this garbage... then again if they are doing it a second time then that must mean the fist game made profit anyway. |
Comic_Sans said: Of course, of course, I didn't expect any less from the company that fucked up the English Dangan Ronpa localization Censorship, oy vey! What did they do with Danganronpa? |
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What did they do with Danganronpa? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1504581&show=0#msg45746707 and onwards |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
DateYutaka said: the ao rating is bull shit any way the Japan does not even have the same cero z is not the same at all cero z odes not ban stores from selling it and yaya more pro censorship rhetoric why i say fuck the us ganes indusrty fir being as it is ao for a bit of cheap titillation bout o ao for cod fuck them the ESRB oos full puritanical prudes it seams im fully anti censorship to my core but show consistency ffs cheap titlation get an ao while your gun porn get an m fuck me this game did not even a Z in Japan to my knwoing lol another way japanese games get kicked out if alot of the time proper fan know they are not getting a real version CERO Z is more strict than ESRB M. Your games aren't even allowed to have nudity in them at all, so I dunno why you are calling us prude. |
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Comic_Sans said: Of course, of course, I didn't expect any less from the company that fucked up the English Dangan Ronpa localization Censorship, oy vey! Comic_Sans said: What did they do with Danganronpa? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1504581&show=0#msg45746707 and onwardsPeople like you are the example of why you can never trust people that complain about censorship, they make a big deal out of non-issues. |
VanisherJul 29, 2016 7:01 PM
People like you is why you can never trust people that complain about censorship, they make a big deal out of non-issues. That's also what the niggas who "translated" Pippi Longstocking into French said when people complained about their shitty work |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: People like you is why you can never trust people that complain about censorship, they make a big deal out of non-issues. That's also what the niggas who "translated" Pippi Longstocking into French said when people complained about their shitty workI don't know what that is neither do I care. You have already proven that your opinion on what a "fucked up translation" is to be completely stupid. |
DateYutaka said: Narmy said: CERO Z is more strict than ESRB M. Your games aren't even allowed to have nudity in them at all, so I dunno why you are calling us prude. z is like noy like M is like ao but stores will still carry Z rated game D is M but really Cero Z is odd cuase 18 is not the age of majoty in japan 20 is but the AO game is still sold to minors legally ie wait what was is being censor form thsi game most nis game in greank get a c or b in Japan while there rating are bumped up in the us whle us made game do get bumped up tin japan hit happens alot more when it Japanese gam going ot the us hell i even made a topic abput it and Jcos 18 games pc games are soild on all mjaor stores while ao are not sold in stores i the us funny that the worse example i can give is SMT3 CERO A ESRB 17+ wtf is that shit hey that a bump of 4 ratings ESRB are prudes Who cares if they carry Z games if they all have to be censored anyway. The AO rating may as well not exist since nobody even uses it. You are a hypocrite if you criticize the west for censorship since you guys censor games as much as the fucking Middle East. |
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| The ESRB excuse is ridiculous...Gahkthun of the Golden Lightning has full-frontal nudity and actual sex scenes with hands/bedsheets barely blocking genitals and it passed with an M no problem. |
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Comic_Sans said: That's also what the niggas who "translated" Pippi Longstocking into French said when people complained about their shitty work I don't know what that is neither do I care. You have already proven that your opinion on what a "fucked up translation" is to be completely stupid. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
DateYutaka said: Narmy said: Who cares if they carry Z games if they all have to be censored anyway. The AO rating may as well not exist since nobody even uses it. You are a hypocrite if you criticize the west for censorship since you guys censor games as much as the fucking Middle East. lol that does not answer whya game that got A in japan got a M in the us lol on pinicpla of my stance in anti sticking ratings on art any way You can keep using that argument 100 more times, but as long as the game wasn't censored it means nothing. You have an obvious bias against the US, since you conveniently ignore your own country's censorship every single time this issue come up. |
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| AO ratings? Lol now they are just making bullshit excuses. go look up the new game gal gun for ps4. I already pre ordered that and it's uncensored. |
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Vanisher said: But you can always trust rabid censorship apologists, who will label absolutely everything as "non-issue", no matter how butchered the LOLcalization actually is. :PComic_Sans said: Of course, of course, I didn't expect any less from the company that fucked up the English Dangan Ronpa localization Censorship, oy vey! People like you are the example of why you can never trust people that complain about censorship, they make a big deal out of non-issues. NISA must really hate Japanese games. |
Vanisher said: I wouldn't be fine with it but I'd be much more willing to forgive NISA for it, and might even consider it worth purchasing. If they had tangible evidence that ESRB rated it AO while uncensored, I would have little reason to hate NISA for this and would just chalk up my feelings as disappointment and nothing else. But NISA didn't do that, so fuck em'.If the game were to be submitted and then changed because ESRB then you guys would totally be alright with it... right? Stop talking as if you care, you would complain either way. I don't know why they would want to bring over a game and piss off the kind of people who play this garbage... then again if they are doing it a second time then that must mean the fist game made profit anyway. DateYutaka said: the ao rating is bull shit any way the Japan does not even have the same cero z is not the same at all cero z odes not ban stores from selling it and yaya more pro censorship rhetoric why i say fuck the us ganes indusrty fir being as it is ao for a bit of cheap titillation bout o ao for cod fuck them the ESRB oos full puritanical prudes it seams im fully anti censorship to my core but show consistency ffs cheap titlation get an ao while your gun porn get an m fuck me this game did not even a Z in Japan to my knwoing lol another way japanese games get kicked out if alot of the time proper fan know they are not getting a real version Says the guy who's country hates gore and requires all genitals to be censored. |
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