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[Update Jun 8] Club Mass Messaging Is Returning! (and other updates)

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Jun 1, 2016 11:44 AM

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Well.. This is nice.

Behold of my awesomeness~
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But my feels.
Jun 1, 2016 11:44 AM

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Now this is some good shit I was waiting for!
Jun 1, 2016 11:45 AM

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Good thing I'm only in the cool clubs.
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Jun 1, 2016 12:25 PM

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Might have been asked before, but; who can send these mass messages in the name of a club? Their Admins?
Jun 1, 2016 12:55 PM

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nice update there MAL
Jun 1, 2016 12:57 PM

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Sad to see the Mangaupdates links go since I used to quite a lot to see if it's translated or licensed, now I have to put in more effort...thanks MAL.
Jun 1, 2016 1:07 PM
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Gaelenmyr said:
Good news, but we should be able to block messages of some clubs.
You can. Have another look at the OP.

Zeando said:
forget that, the genre filter is still cool, but to have the advanced search be useful i should stop getting porn results when i search "one piece", and/or 20 pages of unrelated results
We're looking at adding an option to toggle off the fuzzy search, so you only get exact matches again (like the old search). I'm hoping we'll be able to improve the advanced search in overall at some point in time, but it's not on the short list at the moment.

Zeando said:
suggestion,
the selective opt-out is an useful option which would be handy to have also for the watched forum threads
Personally, I have watched notifications turned off because I find them spammy and there are only really a few threads I would care to get notifications for as well. (I load my panel multiple times a day, so I see when the rest are bumped anyway.) That being said, I'm not sure it's as feasible with forum threads as it is with clubs, and I'm not sure if as many users would benefit from it.

Subpyro said:
Might have been asked before, but; who can send these mass messages in the name of a club? Their Admins?
Only the admins (not officers), like before. I missed including that, whoops.
Jun 1, 2016 1:10 PM

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> Club Mass Messaging returns
Well, it's not like it's something I really need or miss, but I guess it's ni...
> MangaUpdates Links removed
Bloody Hell.
...nah, forget it. Good old MAL. MAL never changes. Can't do anything at all for life without screwing up something other.
Thanks but no thanks.

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Jun 1, 2016 1:33 PM

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Kineta said:
Gaelenmyr said:
Good news, but we should be able to block messages of some clubs.
You can. Have another look at the OP.


Oh I'm dumb. Thanks!
Jun 1, 2016 1:57 PM

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Kineta said:
We're looking at adding an option to toggle off the fuzzy search, so you only get exact matches again (like the old search).

that's good to hear


Kineta said:
Zeando said:
suggestion,
the selective opt-out is an useful option which would be handy to have also for the watched forum threads
Personally, I have watched notifications turned off because I find them spammy and there are only really a few threads I would care to get notifications for as well. (I load my panel multiple times a day, so I see when the rest are bumped anyway.) That being said, I'm not sure it's as feasible with forum threads as it is with clubs, and I'm not sure if as many users would benefit from it.

i've watched notifications disabled too currently,
and about it being feasible i guessed as much, it's afterall something pretty specific, for those users who don't like the spam but still like useful notifications, it's a middleground between all-on and all-off (guess i'll take that tip and enable the watched threads block in the panel, while keeping the notifications off)

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Jun 1, 2016 2:44 PM

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Gaelenmyr said:
Good news, but we should be able to block messages of some clubs.

and how is this gonna work? how do u even know what clubs gonna send u messages or invitation .




ot:nice welcome back , i will try this on my club.


Edit : it seem if go to a club u can click Unsubscribe .

Jun 1, 2016 2:56 PM

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Let me flame a bit on mangaupdates changes.
I sure can use google to get there, so it's only mal who lose something with it, but...

Piracy is bad. But on the other hand piracy made anime/manga industry in a lot ways. No one can complain on how much effort Star Wars, Blade Runner and a lot of other Hollywood movies gave to japanese authors. And no one can complain on how much scanlate and fansubs did to whole industry because licensing is slow. Licensing can bring you something when it's officially boring and out of date and never give you something that you need if it old enough because it wont sell. See?.. There is places like Russia where paper manga is almost dead and not because people wont buy it, in case of russia problem is kremlin and rightwingers and solution is scanlate.
Official licensors and media do really a little to compete scanlate because probably they thing it natural to have all rights and there nowhere to rush. For example Daisuki.net and Comic Walker DO ALMOST NOTHING to let people have a proper choice. There's nothing to read on them and almost nothing. On ther other hand there is Crunchyroll and it want to have such strong influence on industry (not to say manipulate it) it's painful and I actually would never use it because of that even if CR will be only official licensor. Media should be media. Not a political party.

Anyway, mangaupdates is great place to find data on authors and manga, greater than MAL just in case of it's copyright policy. You cant add a lot of doujinshi here. Not sure it's good choice to being so closed to community.
Jun 1, 2016 3:34 PM

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povsuduvolosy said:
There is places like Russia where paper manga is almost dead and not because people wont buy it, in case of russia problem is kremlin and rightwingers and solution is scanlate.
Official licensors and media do really a little to compete scanlate because probably they thing it natural to have all rights and there nowhere to rush. For example Daisuki.net and Comic Walker DO ALMOST NOTHING to let people have a proper choice. There's nothing to read on them and almost nothing. On ther other hand there is Crunchyroll and it want to have such strong influence on industry (not to say manipulate it) it's painful and I actually would never use it because of that even if CR will be only official licensor. Media should be media. Not a political party
Paper manga is almost dead in Russia? 0h yeah, really? When was the last time you've been in book store? 0r in comic book store? What the Hell are you even talking about? Even the comic book stores are starting to accept manga. And said comic book stores starting to appear not only in central big cities. There is that last fresh from printing "Attack on Titan" manga, recent new volumes of "I don't have many friends" and "Hentai Prince and Stony Cat" that came only a few months later than in Japan, "Toradora!" manga releases, and bloody Hell, even that "Steins;Gate" manga that only three volumes long. And don't even let me starting about tons of fujoshi crap that's flooding the shelves for years already. Even big-name bookstore chains already dedicating sections in their stores specifically for comic books & manga.
What have we lost? 0h, come on, some dubious ecchi manga (can't even remember it's title)? Big deal.
The problem with manga in Russia came not from government censorship but from poor choice of publishers themselves. Come on, they licensed that "Skull Man" manga that barely anyone needs, that's truly admirable but very stupid business-wise. Their problem that they listening too much to cries of minorities like fujoshis instead of exploring what's hot now.
And don't talk crap about Daisuki. They're times better than Crunchyroll. Thanks to Daisuki I've started to watch licensed anime online. And they have pretty decent roster of fresh anime.
The funny thing, thanks to Daisuki - actually to MAL that promotes both - I've also started to watch CR. Yes, they're pretty bad, but not that bad. Very wide roster of anime from old to new.

There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value.

Persona anime are good. Deal with it.
Jun 1, 2016 3:50 PM

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Wow, so much passion.
The truth is we miss almost everything from early years to middle of 00's and now everything what gets published is poppy crap like titles you mention and sao novel, nothing more. You can barely buy couple of volumes in mouth or two even if you buy literally everything but yaoi.
Jun 1, 2016 4:03 PM

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Pretty nice and helpful, though it could be spammy for those who have joined many clubs
Jun 1, 2016 4:08 PM

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povsuduvolosy said:
Wow, so much passion.
The truth is we miss almost everything from early years to middle of 00's and now everything what gets published is poppy crap like titles you mention and sao novel, nothing more. You can barely buy couple of volumes in mouth or two even if you buy literally everything but yaoi.
Yes, we miss a lot. Just like many other countries in the world. So what? We still getting there, slowly, but steadily. It's just like with mentioned comics - it need years, but look at it now, we've even got our own comics that became popular enough to publish artbooks of said comics. And just like with said comics it's popular works that moving the whole industry forward. Can't get anything serious or mature without tons of primitive childish works saturating the market before. It's just how the bloody capitalism works. Yes, I don't like SA0 (too), but come on, it's a big step forward in itself, finally light novels getting to Russian market, may be we can finally reach a Polish level (LoL) and publish HakoMari too (by the same translator, if you follow me).

There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value.

Persona anime are good. Deal with it.
Jun 1, 2016 4:29 PM

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According to you manga here is blooming and everything goes better ad better day by day. But it's fake, like everything in russia. There was, indeed, huge leap forward in the 10-11years but now even most dedicated to manga publishers (theres not much of them, right?) are more into comics not manga. No more big titles like it was then, and almost no piblishers too. Cf now into mlp, istari into makoto shinkai and russian manga, xlmedia with their shop into everything that sell but quality of their work is so low it's painful. There is altgraph but even if not what changes? Palma into elfquest and actually it's only part of cf .Sakura is dead, cg press is dead, rosmanga is part of cf and almost nothing they do. Who else do something? That strange educational manga guys . Nothing to expect, manga in russia covered by snow and sleeps silent. Only bears are not and losers from olgino too. Are you one of them?
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Jun 1, 2016 6:31 PM

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I don't think it's be necessary or useful to remove MangaUpdates links, but it certainly seems to be how business is done, so it's quite an understandable move to make.

There's a lot of information there that could be incorporated on MAL though, in particular: serialization history for series that change magazines (this can now be included in the background section, but a manga can still only be listed under one magazine), Japanese publishers, detailed release information on simulpubs (actually, I use MU to keep up with Crunchyroll's manga; I don't know if you want to go so far, but you could alternatively link/embed sites like CR).
Jun 1, 2016 8:01 PM

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This is a good update.
Jun 1, 2016 8:12 PM
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kennikitty said:
Oh my God, how many years has it been? Maybe the Clubs will... somewhat return from the dead now.
Right?! I'm looking forward to it :D

On another note, I'm sad the MU links are gone. I really hope this doesn't happen to the fansub group info too.
p r o f i l e 👀
Jun 1, 2016 8:52 PM

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Thank you for the Opt-out option on all these notifications. I'd be flooded with a ridiculous amount of stuff otherwise.
Jun 1, 2016 10:33 PM

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Wow, that's amazing! ^^
Jun 1, 2016 10:36 PM

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I thought the MAL programmers were on strike cause the wall-rape ads weren't bringing in enough million dollars?


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Jun 1, 2016 11:48 PM

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Naruleach said:
kennikitty said:
Oh my God, how many years has it been? Maybe the Clubs will... somewhat return from the dead now.
Right?! I'm looking forward to it :D

Me too. The clubs used to be so lively. Sure, it got spammy sometimes, so I'm welcomming the limit of 1 massmessage per Club. The second mms were removed, the Clubs more or less died out. Some tried to reach their members through the profile comments, but that was so much work... Now we have an easy way to reach our Club members back. I'm sure the return of mms will lighten up the social media aspect of MAL and the community will become more lively again.
At least that's what I hope.

Now~ what do to with my own club... I guess now I have to be a proper admin again. With the UEFA Euro comming up, I'm already having ideas for my German Club. Football always works.
Jun 2, 2016 12:36 AM

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Please stop implementing useless search features until you fix the already existing problems. I don't want 20 pages of shit when I search for something and I also would like to be able to search titles alphabetically or by type.

EDIT: I know Kineta mentioned they're working on it but it should've been fixed weeks ago and should be a priority over more features I dunno.

Don't give a shit about clubs, surprised people still use them.
Jun 2, 2016 12:48 AM

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I thought the MAL programmers were on strike cause the wall-rape ads weren't bringing in enough million dollars?


This.
I'm surprised to see any updates at this point.

Kinda feel sorry for MAL for removing the MU links. Someone mentioned fan subs, guess they're next in line to be killed off.

Jun 2, 2016 4:08 AM
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MihoWittmann said:
I don't think it's be necessary or useful to remove MangaUpdates links, but it certainly seems to be how business is done, so it's quite an understandable move to make.

There's a lot of information there that could be incorporated on MAL though, in particular: serialization history for series that change magazines (this can now be included in the background section, but a manga can still only be listed under one magazine), Japanese publishers, detailed release information on simulpubs (actually, I use MU to keep up with Crunchyroll's manga; I don't know if you want to go so far, but you could alternatively link/embed sites like CR).
Thank you for the constructive criticism. Definitely agree on the one-magazine-only problem and our lack of Japanese publishers. I would prefer to see the chapters themselves embedded, rather than tracking the chapters as they're released; the latter is incredibly labour intensive with a database that needs moderator approval.
Jun 2, 2016 4:31 AM

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Kineta said:
MangaUpdates Links
The external links to MangaUpdates have been removed from manga pages. Unfortunately, due to their extensive release log and ties to BakaUpdates (with illegal torrents), it is not possible for us to both retain these links and also collaborate with the manga industry. We are looking into finally expanding some of our missing manga information, such as publishers, English licenses, and anime start/end chapters. If there is information that you rely on MU for (scanlations aside) and would like to see incorporated into MAL, please let us know.
I'm neutral on the removal of these links, though I'm surprised there aren't more irritated people about this. I do welcome trying to add more info to the manga/LN pages. I'm rather surprised how there was never publishers, nor even licensors, that had to get added via More Info, and then later via the Background section.

Can you add "Source" as an option? Because like many light novels will get manga adaptations for promotion purposes, and you've got manga based off anime for the purpose of promoting the anime (yes that's how many of these work). Also, can you also take this into consideration in regards to light novels? And lastly, could we at all get external links to the Japanese Wikipedia instead of just the English one (I'd also like this on anime entries too)? It can also be useful for figuring out how much the anime covered the source, especially in cases where there are no official translations and/or dropped fan translations, as well as other info of course as JP Wiki entries are usually way more in-depth. Ex: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS_%E3%80%88%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%83%8B%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%88%E3%82%B9%E3%80%89#.E5.90.84.E8.A9.B1.E3.83.AA.E3.82.B9.E3.83.88
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Zazie122 said:

Don't give a shit about clubs, surprised people still use them.


Actually quite a lot of people use them.
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Naruleach said:
On another note, I'm sad the MU links are gone. I really hope this doesn't happen to the fansub group info too.
That would be truly devastating... I don't always use it, but when I'm having trouble finding an anime that keeps alluding me, seeing who has fansubbed it has always been a giant help ;_;
Jun 2, 2016 10:29 AM

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Club Mass Messaging - To be honest I didn't really notice this was gone ^^;

Seasonal Anime Genres - Nice

MangaUpdates - I use both this site and MU extensively for manga, I guess removing the link isn't such an issue since both sites have good search facilities... But I would LOVE to see an expansion of manga information on MAL!!!! Yes to publishers, English licenses, and anime start/end chapters, but I also use MU's 'Status in Country of Origin' to check if sometime is on hiatus. Also being able to include more than one 'Serialized In (magazine)' is really useful, if a manga moves, so you can still click through to find series it was once published along with. This isn't relevant to missing information but I also find it really useful that mangaka lists etc have ticks next to the oneshots/series I have already read...

Review Moderator Applications - Good luck to those that have applied!
Jun 2, 2016 11:25 AM

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great job! can clubs opt to disable mass notif though?

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yes it as happened
Jun 2, 2016 4:28 PM

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as much as i would love to use a bunch of expletives to express my happiness i won't but i'm super excited to see this come back. now my club can come back to life if i ever feel like putting time back into it lol
Jun 3, 2016 2:53 AM

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This will be a very useful update

Thanks ^^
Jun 3, 2016 8:42 AM

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Sounds good.
I'm new to this feature, but I take it that it's a pretty useful feature.
Jun 3, 2016 8:49 AM
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BigOnAnime said:
Can you add "Source" as an option?
I agree that this would be helpful and will discuss it with the manga moderators.
Also, can you also take this into consideration in regards to light novels?
Will definitely be taking imprints into consideration when we discuss magazines and publishers, though I can't promise it will be realized.
And lastly, could we at all get external links to the Japanese Wikipedia instead of just the English one (I'd also like this on anime entries too)?
Has been on my list of fields to see added to the database pages for a number of years now :)

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... but I also use MU's 'Status in Country of Origin' to check if sometime is on hiatus.
We've been meaning to see "On Hiatus" and "Discontinued" options added to the Status field for a long time :) You currently can check the synopsis to see on MAL.
This isn't relevant to missing information but I also find it really useful that mangaka lists etc have ticks next to the oneshots/series I have already read...
We're trying to make it easier for users to see what they have(n't) seen/read on all areas of the site. Definitely agree that this is very useful.


Thank you both for the feedback, and please feel free to leave any further thoughts you may have.
Jun 3, 2016 11:00 AM
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Just want to say super happy about the club messaging. I did a new HGM pick on the 1st and we have had more club activity in a couple of days then we have had for whole months.

Also, excited about the manga page changes. I'm personally indifferent about the MU links. I do use the site but most of the time I either Google it or have a tab open with my list already.
Jun 3, 2016 9:20 PM
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Great! I often forget that I'm in clubs because I don't get notifications for them or anything, but this way, people can kick me into gear without needing to mention me-- which would work fine too if they ever need to. I'm sure clubs could just discuss with its members how many notifications are too much/the right amount for most club members while the rest can just opt out.
Or maybe a master post of what's going on would work instead of just one important thing (though newsletters have served that purpose too).
Anyway, nice returning feature! Thank you!

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Stop the sequels high-ranking stupidity.
Group franchises in Top Anime page.
Because Gintama is just "one" anime and not 5.
Jun 4, 2016 7:20 AM

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Oh, that's pretty cool.
Jun 4, 2016 8:47 PM

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Cool! Thanks for your hard work~
Jun 4, 2016 9:45 PM

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Really disappointed in the whole MU link removal since I've always used MAL as a quick way to find series on MU since their own search can be pretty shitty at times. Also, the promise of an update to information later doesn't really make it any easier now. If you "had" to remove the MU links, it would've been better after you updated the database to include all the information MU is useful for.

Otherwise, pot calling the kettle black here since you guys still have actual links to fan-subbers under anime. MU may list release logs, but they don't actually link anywhere at all.

In other news, I'd love it if you guys would change your LN submission policy considering how restrictive it is.

So many LNs that just can't be added because of the silliness of treating Light Novels like an offshoot of manga.
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I'm already used to not having club messaging but I'm sure many will appreciate its return :D
Jun 6, 2016 7:09 PM

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I say once a week is a bit too long. But hey, it's good to see at least something being done to clubs.
Jun 6, 2016 7:37 PM
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Looking forward to it and hoping it'll last this time around to bring back some inactive members and so forth.

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The mass messaging is nice, but what I really like is the Seasonal Anime Genre update, I remember suggesting that at the start of the year, glad to see it finally happen.
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well i guest this a good thing
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Great update! Very useful for my own club and to keep in touch with the other ones I'm in ^^
I feel like this guy isn't even an admin for some reason XD

You mean a mal admin? I'm not :P
If you mean a club admin then I am. I have my own club and I'm an admin in a couple others.
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