Yes/No/Maybe?
| "Anime has decreased in quality since [current year - 8 years]. Do you think anime is dying? How much longer will it last?". This quote can be used at any point in time and it will always be relevant. Anime is always changing and this isn't necessarily a bad thing. |
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| I feel sorry for anime voice actors, especially female ones. They no doubt put in a lot of work, only to be forced to make the most annoying, inhumanly possible high pitched voices that sound like helium mixed with stuffed noses. And then the actual dialogue they speak is trash that feels like it was written 10 minutes before recording so that they can explain the plot in literal verbatim, mixed in with pornographic squeals and yelps. |
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| There are still some extremely unique shows popping here and there. But so far, yeah, they're playing it safe. Then again Panty & Stocking came out this decade. That is the epitome of different, imo. |
Red_Keys said: I don't understand why they make them do this. They're not bad actresses, but they keep being directed to make these horrific, unnatural squeaky voices that no human being would ever speak with, like the director doesn't WANT them to sound like people.I feel sorry for anime voice actors, especially female ones. They no doubt put in a lot of work, only to be forced to make the most annoying, inhumanly possible high pitched voices that sound like helium mixed with stuffed noses. And then the actual dialogue they speak is trash that feels like it was written 10 minutes before recording so that they can explain the plot in literal verbatim, mixed in with pornographic squeals and yelps. |
| Anyone who doesn't hate anime hasn't watched enough anime. - Anonymous |
well its kinda true but blame the bad economy of japan right now, its the reason why TV stations there stop funding the making of anime and now anime is mostly funded by production committees and needs to buy timeslot on late night TV and worse they need to get back the profit mainly from selling discs and merchandises so making anime now is more of a gamble so thats why most anime makers are playing it safe  video version |
| I guess like any other entertainment industry such questions are always subject to change... It depends on personal references, personal experiences and yes actors .................... My thought is anime will always be changing... It will be you who would also be changing or would not like the change...... then you would be like ... :What has happened to Anime" |
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| Yes, I'd like to something good and original (like Ergo Proxy, Cowboy Bebop, Wolfs Rain, Mitchiko to Hatchin, Black Lagoon and Death Note for example) to come out. |
| I do feel like the anime industry has been saturated for a while but that's because of the sheer number of shows coming out per season these days. That you're just gonna have to look harder to find some good anime. Has anime lost it's ambition? Can't say anime as a whole but it's true that about 70% of anime these days are made for the sole purpose of minting money and evidently has no soul or passion behind it. But I can assure you that there are just as many genuinely good anime coming out per season than it did back then so anyone who says shit like "Modern anime is bullshit" is probably full of shit. |
| Err... Too long to read. What is anime "90's ambition"? What part that she claim good/bad? |
| This salad is salty favored |
| Yet another "ANIME IS DYING, LET'S GO BACK TO DEM GOOD 'OL DAYS!" thread... |
| 50/50 for yes and no, but not anime in general, there are always few surprises and few well, not so good ones. |
"A half moon, it has a dark half and a bright half, just like me…", Yuno Gasai |
| BTW....how many MALers were even around in the 90s? I swear, it won't be too long until the majority of people on here will have been born 2000 and above. |
zombie_pegasus said: "Anime has decreased in quality since [current year - 8 years]. Do you think anime is dying? How much longer will it last?". This quote can be used at any point in time and it will always be relevant. Anime is always changing and this isn't necessarily a bad thing. It can be applied to basically anything and it will almost always hold the same result. People have a hard time adjusting to change, the more you accept change then the more you can enjoy obviously. |
| DEFINETLY TRUE. Im soo sick and tired of all these trendy anime. Its like copy and paste, copy and paste, OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Also, The animation quality and art of animes today also sickens me. You would think that in the year 2016, we should have good animation quality as a standard, but thats obviously not the case. There is no reason that huge anime franchises like DragonBall Super & One piece should have such poor production value and such shitty animation. |
| After reading the news post I can be pretty confident in saying no, anime hasn't lost its ambition. There seems to be a misconception not only on her part but seemingly of several individuals who worked on NGE that they are the epitome of original anime and that anime was like the climax of the industry. Now this might be a case of failure on the reporters part taking things out of context, or possibly arrogance. It's just common practice in all forms of media to not only mimic but improve upon prior works that inspired people in the field. Sure every one might not be a hit, but then again the ones that do will always inspire a new section of shows that try to improve upon the style. I'll use NGE as an example since that seems to be the main focus of the voice actress. NGE is often described as a deconstruction of the mecha genre, which means by definition it's taking archetypes from prior mecha shows and trying to apply somewhat realistic or believable ideas to them. So it literally did what Gundam had basically done almost 15 years earlier and painted it as original. Quick Edit: The idea of "the original will always be better" is literally a detrimental mentality and is quite ironic as I hinted at prior. But I'll get back to the topic. In terms of experimental anime, generally they received terrible reception in terms of sales or focus so naturally as any good business would do they avoided pouring huge investments into something that hasn't worked in the past. However to counter this we get things like the annual animator project, or the recent Japan Animator Expo, which encourage new animators to try out ideas (often with government funding) and resulted in some major hits. Like Triggers Little Witch academia, Death Billiards which was later adapted into Death Parade, or Me!Me!ME! just to name what might be the most well known examples. It's also been reported from an industry standpoint that overall revenue for the industry has seen double digit growth in recent years. The issue is it's not making it down to all levels of the industry and encouraging improvement at every level. Which might be the only viable argument for any lack of drastic improvement being a lack of worker incentive and overly tough labor. |
GamerDLMMay 24, 2016 11:20 PM
Gesu- said: I do feel like the anime industry has been saturated for a while but that's because of the sheer number of shows coming out per season these days. That you're just gonna have to look harder to find some good anime. Has anime lost it's ambition? Can't say anime as a whole but it's true that about 70% of anime these days are made for the sole purpose of minting money and evidently has no soul or passion behind it. But I can assure you that there are just as many genuinely good anime coming out per season than it did back then so anyone who says shit like "Modern anime is bullshit" is probably full of shit. lol Bro there's sooo many shows that come out each season now and there's usually like 1, MAYBE 2 that are even worth watching(rarely)....The others are usually typical, generic moe themed. Or its a trendy fanservice show. Or its a generic, one dimensional "shonen save the day shows" Or its a GARBAGE, rushed adaptation of an otherwise great manga etc. etc. |
Benevolance said: Gesu- said: I do feel like the anime industry has been saturated for a while but that's because of the sheer number of shows coming out per season these days. That you're just gonna have to look harder to find some good anime. Has anime lost it's ambition? Can't say anime as a whole but it's true that about 70% of anime these days are made for the sole purpose of minting money and evidently has no soul or passion behind it. But I can assure you that there are just as many genuinely good anime coming out per season than it did back then so anyone who says shit like "Modern anime is bullshit" is probably full of shit. lol Bro there's sooo many shows that come out each season now and there's like 1, MAYBE 2 that are even worth watching....The others are usually typical, generic moe themed. Or its a trendy fanservice show. Or its a generic, one dimensional "shonen save the day shows" Or its a GARBAGE, rushed adaptation of an otherwise great manga etc. etc. Maybe you just don't prefer watching "shonen saves the day" shows? Yeah, sure they're one dimensional but then you also have to keep in mind the demographic it's aimed at. As for the "GARBAGE, rushed adaptations", you never know if the staff genuinely put effort into it or did they just drag their ass through for the money but either way bad adaptations existed back then as well. Considering all that I've said above I can give you at least 10 shows from this season that seem like genuine creations/adaptations made by studios that truly aspire to entertain people. They may or may not be good but they definitely aren't just cashgrabs.. |
| Hayashibara's right, let's go back to the 1990s days of Saber Marionette J and its 2 sequels/1 prequel, 3 Slayers TV series with 4 movies and 2 OVA spinoffs, a certain iconic mecha series that took its plot from Ideon and its character designs from Nadia (which also kickstarted some of today's key moe archetypes), wholesome romances like DNA^2 and Don't Leave me Alone Daisy, the endless and directionless harem hijinks of Ranma 1/2*, the endless charging, training, and filler sequences of Dragonball Z*/GT, Those Who Hunt Elves ("Sorry for stripping you" - 'nuff said), three separate takes on a boy living with an all-purpose cultural robot catgirl, ~100-episode samurai and shoujo dramedy series that got completely bogged down with filler, a high school romance story whose budget issues got so bad they had to resort to waving drawings on popsicle sticks at one point, and numerous remakes and spinoffs of an OVA series where an Average Everyman gets a harem of alien girls... No doubt the list goes on, but as usual, people always "gloss over the dross" when looking back at a supposedly golden era. Come to think of it, many of the above-listed titles feature... Megumi Hayashibara?! I bet she's embarrassed to have been a part of all those milked-out and unambitious franchises. *Although DBZ and Ranma 1/2 started in 1989, substantial majorities of their episodes aired in the 90s. re: @skitzo's image: I like how the manga depicted in the lowest-right picture pretty much aren't typical pretty-girl/harem/whatever titles. You've got Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, which is pretty well-respected in the vein of iyashikei/slice-of-life series like Aria, Shrine of the Morning Mist (Asagiri no Miko), which is a Magical Girl / Super Sentai / Shintoism series with a marginally-important male lead, Chuu-Bra!!, which has its share of fanservice, yes, but is also a middle-schoolgirl coming-of-age story that deals with underwear in ways most ecchi titles don't, and Nanaka 6/17, a childhood-friend romance/drama story. |
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| Isn't the situation simply back to where it was before Evangelion or before the Gundam "boom"? Right before Eva, animation production was mostly back to resting on manga adaptations and some original shows who tried to be "like before" without any substance. After Eva, producers (TV stations mainly at this period) were obviously less cold to fund new (somewhat not ordinary) projects, creators were willing to make their own "new vision" of a genre, to express other things through their animations etc or to simply build upon Evangelion. Each of those ways lead to incredible series, average ones and some we might want to forget (particularly, some series with high potential who failed to distance themselves enough from their "inspiration"). But it is true that after a few years, the vein died out. We were back to the situation I described above, except that now it was/is Evangelion and a few others of his "contemporary siblings" who are imitated with nothing developed/build around it. Characters from before are twisted into pale shells of emptiness with overexageratted traits/features. Japanese animation producers are back to their previous state-of-mind: the priority is to fund successful manga adaptations and light-novels ones (new trend based on consumers taste), along a few original projects only made as a targeted audience "adjusted pleasure". Of course, a few interesting things still exist thanks to some initiatives. But we (or I alone?) are still waiting the Third Impact the industry needs who will awaken japanese animation again (after Gundam and Evangelion). To those claiming Death Note is a proof anime can be original... erm... it's out-of-topic. Also, Hayashibara not only starred in Evangelion but in Comboy Bebop later. So she isn't specifically saying "everything after Eva was shit" or something in this genre... It is not "Evangelion was the peak of japanese original animation" but rather "it was the start of a movement who is now fully dried". The part (who is actually the most important point of the interview) about seiyuu status and work evolution is perfectly understandable. |
Rei_IIIMay 24, 2016 11:50 PM
Benevolance said: how many show per season that's worth watching during 90s?Gesu- said: I do feel like the anime industry has been saturated for a while but that's because of the sheer number of shows coming out per season these days. That you're just gonna have to look harder to find some good anime. Has anime lost it's ambition? Can't say anime as a whole but it's true that about 70% of anime these days are made for the sole purpose of minting money and evidently has no soul or passion behind it. But I can assure you that there are just as many genuinely good anime coming out per season than it did back then so anyone who says shit like "Modern anime is bullshit" is probably full of shit. lol Bro there's sooo many shows that come out each season now and there's usually like 1, MAYBE 2 that are even worth watching(rarely)....The others are usually typical, generic moe themed. Or its a trendy fanservice show. Or its a generic, one dimensional "shonen save the day shows" Or its a GARBAGE, rushed adaptation of an otherwise great manga etc. etc. |
| No, there are plenty of unusual and ambitious anime coming out now. Red_Keys said: I feel sorry for anime voice actors, especially female ones. They no doubt put in a lot of work, only to be forced to make the most annoying, inhumanly possible high pitched voices that sound like helium mixed with stuffed noses. And then the actual dialogue they speak is trash that feels like it was written 10 minutes before recording so that they can explain the plot in literal verbatim, mixed in with pornographic squeals and yelps. 1) You must have never tried talking to IRL little girls. Now, they have voices that are really hard to understand and annoying. Anime characters, in comparison, sound like angels. 2) Also, I never hated anime character voices. It's just your personal preference, not an objective measure of quality. JustALEX said: BTW....how many MALers were even around in the 90s? I swear, it won't be too long until the majority of people on here will have been born 2000 and above. Been born in 80s, but only started watching anime in 2000s. It was hard to get anime before broadband internet became the standard. Benevolance said: Gesu- said: I do feel like the anime industry has been saturated for a while but that's because of the sheer number of shows coming out per season these days. That you're just gonna have to look harder to find some good anime. Has anime lost it's ambition? Can't say anime as a whole but it's true that about 70% of anime these days are made for the sole purpose of minting money and evidently has no soul or passion behind it. But I can assure you that there are just as many genuinely good anime coming out per season than it did back then so anyone who says shit like "Modern anime is bullshit" is probably full of shit. lol Bro there's sooo many shows that come out each season now and there's usually like 1, MAYBE 2 that are even worth watching(rarely)....The others are usually typical, generic moe themed. Or its a trendy fanservice show. Or its a generic, one dimensional "shonen save the day shows" Or its a GARBAGE, rushed adaptation of an otherwise great manga etc. etc. Behold, Love Hina anime. Made in 2000, totally screwed up adaptation. [url=http://myanimelist.net/anime/1087/Kimagure_Orange☆Road]Kimagure Orange Road [/url]. Made in 1988, this adaptation sucks too. I have no reason to assume adaptations weren't screwed up earlier. There were 1-2 good shows per season in 80s too. Let's take winter 1986 for example: very few anime we actually know about now. Dragon Ball, the shounen anime, is well-remembered, as is Hokuto no Ken, the epitome of manliness. I only know about Ai Shoujo Pollyanna Story because some trope on TVtropes is named after her. Gundam franchise is milked that season (and it's milked to this day), Urusei Yatsura the harem anime continues, as do Transformers. And Sazae-san the anime nobody in the West have ever watched, was ongoing even back then. The OVAs aren't noteworthy. The main difference seems to be the length. A lot of shows were really long back then, milked for all their worth. That's probably because shows were ordered by TV channels, who wanted well-known shows to bring advertizing revenue. |
| @flannan Her point wasn't about how it was better back in the 80-90s. On the contrary, there was the same lack of creativity and people dare less than before. This until Eva shook it enough to initiate a new "creative" period. Who naturally died out. Also, I don't understand why people are talking about adaptations to counter the point reported in the article. edit: this is sad to notice how an harmless and potentially interesting question has been moved to this kind of discussion (who wasn't even the thread nor the article/interview subject) |
Rei_IIIMay 24, 2016 11:58 PM
| Show must go on! You can still watch those oldies, when anime characters were better, story more deep, certain things didn't exist, like smartphones (which most new anime characters use, and connect other characters with phone, which mean less face to face talking vs oldies) Time goes on, you just have to accept it and understand that people and things does change. |
GaichiMay 25, 2016 12:02 AM
"A half moon, it has a dark half and a bright half, just like me…", Yuno Gasai |
Rei366 said: Also, I don't understand why people are talking about adaptations to counter the point reported in the article. Because the point in the article has nothing to do with the question asked by the OP. Hayashibara Megumi never said that there is no ambitious anime now, only that there are many clones which don't try to be anything more than clones. |
| @flannan Sorry then for the over-interpretation, I understood it as a lack of ambition. Anyway, what I meant is: either about copy or ambition, adaptations aren't a part of the equation. What was mentioned was about animation original projects. ===== Another thing you're not responsible for: I know there are pretty young people here, but why are the others (who know older anime) reacting like this "staled situation" never happened before? @Wensbane Thank you for the article. Since you say "golden age", how do you perceive the previous "ages" ? Because like I write above, this has already happened. |
Rei366 said: @flannan Her point wasn't about how it was better back in the 80-90s. On the contrary, there was the same lack of creativity and people dare less than before. This until Eva shook it enough to initiate a new "creative" period. Who naturally died out. Also, I don't understand why people are talking about adaptations to counter the point reported in the article. edit: this is sad to notice how an harmless and potentially interesting question has been moved to this kind of discussion (who wasn't even the thread nor the article/interview subject) I mean the article was about how voice actors roles have changed over the past couple decades, which is a really interesting idea to hear from a long running VA. However the article, and this discussion basically turned it into a "anime was better back before insert year here." Despite only 2 paragraphs talking about the current state of the industry in any negative fashion. Basically they used like less than 10% of the article, made that the title of their report, and basically turned it into out of context clickbait. Edit: This kind of thing has been done quite a bit in the past the two most well known example being Myazaki's out of context quote, and another one being the Director of NGE whose name escapes me. |
GamerDLMMay 25, 2016 12:24 AM
| While, I won't agree on the topic that number of risk takers have decreased, I can certainly say that their risks don't produce good results most the times. |
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| @GamerDLM Yes, true and I would like to read a fully translated version. But even the part who is a "negative" comment on the industry was corrupted (slightly in the article but strongly here) into a giant battle of amnesic "japanimation fans" who turned the quotes in an illustration of their blind opinion (it was always better before), versus others who can't have a less partial view on the matter (that's bullshit from eva people/old contributors out-of-trend). At the end, it triggered something bad when even the wrong intentions of the article could have started something better. But here, I see answers who don't even connect to the little quotes. It reminds me of the previous case¨: "anime fans" reactions to Anno's interview "microscopic quote". I wonder if some people bother even understanding what they read. Anyway, I'll still come back to find some positive reactions later. ^^" |
| Anime is perfectly fine as it is for me. |
| Anime changes, These days you can classify it as Unique or Regular. I wouldn't say its going down the drain and dying.In terms of ambition there are still those that still try.I'll definitely admit that it has lost some aspects of 90's anime but then we get something quite new in todays anime. |
zurgboy00May 25, 2016 12:36 AM
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Jakerams said: I think the main problem with anime nowadays is they tend to adapt things from a source material in most cases than make an original series. It would force companies to be creative instead of adapting every copy/paste light novel/manga they can find to play it safe. 1) There is nothing new with adapting stuff. For example, KOR (mentioned above) was adapted from manga to anime in 1988. 2) There is nothing wrong with adapting stuff. 3 out of 5 of my favorite works are adaptations of something. As are most popular anime on MAL. Gintama, Full Metal Alchemist, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, they are all adaptations. 3) There is nothing wrong with light novels. LoGH was a light novel. Monogatari was a light novel. Log Horizon was a light novel. Spice and Wolf was a light novel. Melanholy of Suzumiya Haruhi was a light novel. There is no end to good light novel adaptations. 4) There is nothing wrong in being similar to something that already exists. Very few anime were truly unique at the time they were released. Even anime that set their own trends were similar to something that came before, they just had something that set them apart from their peers. What matters is applying your own thinking to the pattern. Asterisk and Rakudai might look the same when you watch the first episode, but they diverge greatly, because they're written by different people. 5) There is no end to original anime. Dog Days, Shoujo-tachi wa Kouya o Mezasu, this season's Kabaneri... |
Jakerams said: I think the main problem with anime nowadays is they tend to adapt things from a source material in most cases than make an original series. It would force companies to be creative instead of adapting every copy/paste light novel/manga they can find to play it safe. Originals tends to go haywire these days If its not properly supervised by a capable staff.Take A/Z for example and how that potential was thrown off the bin. |
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JustALEX said: BTW....how many MALers were even around in the 90s? i am, im already 30+ years old anyway |
| I think that not enough thought is put into a lot of recent anime. Shoddy storylines (whether because they're just terrible or they tried to cram an entire 10 volumes of manga/light novel into a few episodes). I understand that they want to monopolize on an anime creation, introducing the merchandise and shedding light on the manga. To gain funds to continue with new or existing projects and pay the bills, but the amount of suffering the quality takes is just crazy. I don't mind reading manga, and I have switched from watching the 12 ep anime to reading the manga or light novel because the anime was interesting but incomplete. I also understand that the few anime that actually follows along with the original story line or is intricate enough to have a complete well thought out story line is a risk to those making it. They efficiently took away a way to make profits. After all, who wants to read the manga if its the same as the anime?( I do but not many people want to commit that much) And if the anime is great why even bother reading the manga? There's also the fact that people watch so much of it online instead of buying which also causes a loss of profits. I think a combination of these things and most likely many more factors are the reason for the failing quality of anime out there. Also, I know not every anime has a manga counterpart but this is for those that do. |
JustALEX said: BTW....how many MALers were even around in the 90s? I swear, it won't be too long until the majority of people on here will have been born 2000 and above. Some of it, but most people only aim for popular animes. |
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| Anime is definitely less original then it has ever been honestly. For every Erased or Madoka that is aired there is 5-10 (depending on season) generic harems that follow. |
Wensbane said: I believe that, looking back at that time period between 1995 and 2007, it's kinda hard to deny that there was a huge level of drive behind the industry. Somewhat experimental projects were being pumped out left and right, surprisingly, with huge production values. Care to give some examples of these experimental shows being pumped out left and right with huge production values? Cause I don't remember many of those. |
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was it about this usenet post from the 90s? or one of the sillier ones  |
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| Anime is doing what it's always been doing, making money for the people producing it. TheEntropy said: Anime is definitely less original then it has ever been honestly. For every Erased or Madoka that is aired there is 5-10 (depending on season) generic harems that follow. All the good anime in the world and Erased and Madoka are the two examples you use? Shame. Also, this isn't a new thing. Shitty, generic anime were a thing even back in the 90s, 80s and even 70s. People have simply forgotten they exist and only remember the good stuff. |
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| you really gotta bring back 2 recently dead topics man? its already been stated 2452346245235254352 times that EVERYTHING has been done now and its all rehasing.... and this is not an anime thing, its ALL forms of media JustALEX said: Yet another "ANIME IS DYING, LET'S GO BACK TO DEM GOOD 'OL DAYS!" thread... oh damn you're already here... will we ever stop complaining? the guy on the right is the hero we need ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
EcchiGodMamsterMay 25, 2016 4:14 AM
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TheEntropy said: Anime is definitely less original then it has ever been honestly. For every Erased or Madoka that is aired there is 5-10 (depending on season) generic harems that follow. Does it matter what percentage is oh-so-original? I think sheer number is more important. And there are enough experimental shows now. |
| When I see boring stuff like Re:Zero easily getting highest scores at MAL I can understand why studios only want to mass produce boring generic stuff. Seems the savest way and people actually love it much more than other anime. For other anime it is more risky. You might be able to make something great or it might fail. Even if you make something great it probably would cost more money to make it (less profit even if it sells a lot). So it is easier to just mass produce generic anime and adapt all those boring novels. I can understand that companies want to do that. And maybe it is okay. That way we enjoy the really good anime that apper once every few seasons/years only even more because they are that rare and feel refreshing then. |
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