World Trigger Chapter 142 Discussion

icelolly said:
It just doesn't fit Yuumas personality to be too careless in fights

Gladiatus said:
@Dues-aj
Could u give me the link of the chapter?
Thank u so much

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
And here i thought Power of Feelings only work in WT world when the skill difference is not so much or so Tachikawa said.......

What i find hard to believe is that Yuuma got critically damaged (probably..........still haven't seen the raws) from an desperate attack as he is obviously more experienced in fights. I feel this is a bit insulting to the fight between Murakami and Kuma where she didn't manage to deal any damage even after desparately giving her all.

I guess we are seeing 2 parallels of Osamu that he could have become but won't..........either someone holding back the Team like Kakizaki or hot-headed Glasses-kun from Katori squad.

Caeless said:
Yuma literally blocked a near identical attack like Kakizaki's from Katori only a couple of chapters ago.

I'd be both surprised, and disappointed, if his attack got through completely and caused Yuma to bail out this time.

Dues-aj said:

It wasn't the same on the grounds that Kakizaki used an assault rifle and Katori used a pistol.

Caeless said:
I'd beg to differ, they are both within arms reach.

Chapter 138, page 3 - Yuma strikes Katori with his Scorpion and she blocks with hers and she fires back with a pistol.

I'm also not sure what role the "type" of gun plays in terms of a bullets strength, my understanding was that it only applied to the function of how a bullet worked, and not it's power.

Dues-aj said:

It plays a very big role in the damage since the body of the gun determines bullet power. Not to mention Kakizaki is shooting way more bullets with an automatic weapon. Why do you think most serious gunners with pistols dual wield? It's because they need to extra firepower to match the output of any serious gunner with heavy weaponry like an assault rifle.

To add, Ashihara also mentions in BBF that Suwa's team shotguns trade off range with power. So gun types do matter.

dat_le_tat said:
Isn't only me think one or two teams going to disband/member quit after this match.
By the way in last page, 3 or 4 bullets piece though Kuga body, but none hit trion organ so i pretty sure he will be safe.

LuzNight said:
If Yuma survives he shouldn't be able to do much. That's one thing I don't like about the manga is how Yuma never dies, like with the Murakami fight (he was missing an arm for most of the match than lost a leg, kept fighting, killed Murakami and still managed to stay alive until the end of the match and was ready to fight Nasu, its ridiculous, he shouldn't have that much trion). And even if he survives, Fumika as head start with a healthy body so catching up to her would require a lot of grasshopper which would require trion. Yuma better not be able to more a few seconds of distraction or it will just be ludicrous...

I read a lot of people who are finding Kakizaki catching Yuma unbeleivale. It sure is surprising but far from unbelivable and it's not just because of "feelings". Yes, Yuma was overwhelming the whole squad earlier and sliced Kaki's arm but that was when he had the wires! Fumika and Tomoe cut most of them in the last chapter and they are in an open area which all reduces Yuma's mobility considerably compared to before. Then, don't forget that Kakizaki as been in Border for a long time so even if he's Mid-B-rank he has a lot of experience and probably fought a lot of other great attackers. Pulling of a move like that isn't unbeleivable, espacially considering Yuma might have been a little overconfident/underestimating since Kaki's wasn't much of a threat before (but that was due to a bad philosophy not of talent).

Chung2 said:
So Kakizaki was in Arashiyama squad when the squad was still in the B-ranks eh? I've always wondered about this, and good to finally know the answer. I've never thought of him as a coward. He seemed like a good leader (Miles better than Katori), albeit not a paragon. Anyway, I wouldn't be shocked if Yuma blocked his bullet barrage with a shield. It's unlikely that Yuma will bail out.

I was looking forward to Osamu vs Katori unit battle more than the Yuma vs Kakizaki unit battle tbh I hope they'll explore Osamu's side next chapter. As much as I like them exploring a character's past, it's kind of redundant of them to dedicate a whole chapter to Kakizaki since he's unlikely to get spotlight in the future. And there's the matter of Teruya hunting Chika as well. Ughh I wanted this match to be over soon, since I was looking forward to what Hyuse and Jin's next action will be, but will likely not see that for the next few chapters.


You are completely ignoring the fact that Yuma has been fighting in the Neighbour world for a long time as well. He was basically caught amidst wars there until his father died and he came to Japan. It's safe to assume that a Neighbour war is much worse and dangerous than the Border rank wars.

LuzNight said:

I'm not ignoring anything at all because I never pretended that Kakizaki was stronger than Yuma. Yuma is way stronger than Kakizaki. But like P-kun illustrated with the Osamu/Kazama exemple, being stronger doesn't mean you will ALWAYS win when you are against someone with a minimum of smarts/talent/experience.

Chung2 said:

I wasn't talking about their talents, I know how the world of WT works. It's less about how talented/powerful someone is and more about how one can come up with spontaneous intricate tactics and use them to win in hard situations. You mentioned Kakizaki catching Yuma is not unbelievable based on his experience and current situation, while if it was another opponent here, I'd wholeheartedly agree with you. But it's Yuma, who has fought much more experienced enemies before and lived all his life until he came to Japan in the war ridden Neighbour world. So you have to admit it'd rather surprising if Kakizaki did cause Yuma to bail out.

LuzNight said:


Well for starters Yuma has hardly bailed out yet but thats beside the point...

Like I and P-kun said it's not really a question of pulling one over Yuma or at least not just that. Yuma had been dominating Kakizaki for a while in this match and that's why he most likely assumed that Kakizaki was no risk to him in that strike. It's really a case of underestimating Kakizaki (he wasn't holding back) because I agree that Yuma as too much experience for that it's a case where someone abandoning their deep-seated conservative style for a more reckless one. When Yuma attacked he probably thought Kakizaki would either shield or dodge and had no reason to think Kakizaki would go for a suicide move.

Dues-aj said:
Were people this angry when Suwa shot Yuma up at the end of round 2?

Chung2 said:
Suwa's shot at Yuma was a bait anyway, Yuma was supposed to be shot so that Suwa would concentrate on him and Osamu could shoot him Suwa from behind. And I don't know what do you mean by "angry". People are angry that Yuma was shot at?

Dues-aj said:
Yuma played bait by going at it serious so he would draw Suwa's full firepower. I just think it's weird that people are claiming experience is a de facto power level when Midorikawa in a serious 10 round match can win 3 out of 7 times against him.

Dues-aj said:
Midorikawa in a serious 10 round match can win 3 out of 7 times against him.

Botato said:
I was about to say that yeah. Even if Kakizaki has as low chances as 1 in 10 to win against Yuma, it still means he's good enough to at least do damage to him.

Anyway iirc when P-kun did some math T-2 needed at least 4 points to get into top group. Considering the current situation, I think what will happen is Yuma will take down Teruya and then bail out, giving Zaki the point. Then Osamu, with the help of Chika of course, takes down Wakamura but is defeated, leaving Miura and Katori behind (both have lower range and are missing limbs), Chika then uses lead bullets to keep them at bay until time limit. This way T-2 gets the minimum they need, while the other two squads get one point each.
Or Chika can just bail out before they get within 60 meters and give Katori 2 points, they'll have 3 total but that's less than T-2 so T-2 will 'win.'

Either that or the last panel will be retconned next chapter. Like, after Zaki saying "I don't plan on losing" Yuma says "me neither" and blocks the full attack somehow or avoids it.

Yuma bailing out would be somewhat interesting at this point though, because by letting that happen Yuma practically made his team lose their only chance at a sweep. Maybe getting used to bail out dulled his senses?
Edit: Forgot to mention, before anyone brings up what I said in an earlier chapter about T-2 losing if Yuma goes down, the situation now is vastly different. Previously when I said this the match had just started and people were suggesting Yuma will go down fighting Katori, leaving Osamu and Chika on their own while the other two squads are fully intact. But now they only really have to worry about a damaged Katori squad, assuming Yuma manages to take down Teruya.

Botato said:
I was about to say that yeah. Even if Kakizaki has as low chances as 1 in 10 to win against Yuma, it still means he's good enough to at least do damage to him.

Anyway iirc when P-kun did some math T-2 needed at least 4 points to get into top group. Considering the current situation, I think what will happen is Yuma will take down Teruya and then bail out, giving Zaki the point. Then Osamu, with the help of Chika of course, takes down Wakamura but is defeated, leaving Miura and Katori behind (both have lower range and are missing limbs), Chika then uses lead bullets to keep them at bay until time limit. This way T-2 gets the minimum they need, while the other two squads get one point each.
Or Chika can just bail out before they get within 60 meters and give Katori 2 points, they'll have 3 total but that's less than T-2 so T-2 will 'win.'

Either that or the last panel will be retconned next chapter. Like, after Zaki saying "I don't plan on losing" Yuma says "me neither" and blocks the full attack somehow or avoids it.

Yuma bailing out would be somewhat interesting at this point though, because by letting that happen Yuma practically made his team lose their only chance at a sweep. Maybe getting used to bail out dulled his senses?
Edit: Forgot to mention, before anyone brings up what I said in an earlier chapter about T-2 losing if Yuma goes down, the situation now is vastly different. Previously when I said this the match had just started and people were suggesting Yuma will go down fighting Katori, leaving Osamu and Chika on their own while the other two squads are fully intact. But now they only really have to worry about a damaged Katori squad, assuming Yuma manages to take down Teruya.

fatina said:
I was really pissed when I saw Yuma fall in Kakizaki's trap (because of Yuma's experience, ...). But right now, I think Kakizaki show something really astonishing: he grab Yuma's arm and directly take the hit. If you try to imagine the same situation as you grab half the arm of someone really smaller than you and you try to fire him with a machine gun (any big gun is fine). Most of the time you will more or less miss if you can't place the gun beforehand on your opponent chest (will never happen with Yuma mobility). When he released Yuma and his opponent try to fall back, he probably push up Yuma to use his momentum against him (that is way, Yuma find himself directly in Kakizaki's line of fire).
I wonder if Yuma used Grashopper to run away, Kakizaki would make him bail out instead of just inflict a small wound.

kisami said:
as a contest tactic, that was a desperate move. but in real combat, it is meaningless if you die in the process of taking down your enemy. sure he took down yuma but now his team is without him even if yuma is a valuable team member. if nothing else, it will force the other two to rely less on yuma but in real combat, it would a bad move to sacrifice yourself like that.

Bandibulle said:
Well, I am dissatisfied with that turn of events, like many of you, and because of what Yuma has shown so far.

Let’s summarize: in almost all of the battles, Yuma has shown incredible adaptation and creativity in his technique, tactical moves, and judgment.


During Round 2, Yuma fought Arafune with Hokari supporting from distance, and Suwa getting dangerously closer.
Yuma was surprised by Hokari’s sacrificial snipe… but still managed to deal a critical hit on Arafune.
Then, he fought both Sasamori and Suwa with an injured shoulder. And with Chika and Osamu’s support, he managed to cleverly use his positioning, predict Suwa’s reading, and luring him into losing his focus on Osamu.

Conclusion: nice technique & moves, advanced battle tactic & coordination with team mates, multiple simultaneous fights, in spite of an injury incapacitating his left arm.


During Round 3, again, Yuma had to fight two opponents at the same time (Murakami & Kumagai), with the constant threat of Hiura.
The 3 of them ganged up on him, and he managed to survive their combined attack midair, while baiting the sniper. To chase and take her down, loosing one arm in the process.
And with the loss of one arm, he evaded Murakami’s fierce attacks (that one was incredible, with nice judgment & execution http://www.mangareader.net/world-trigger/100/16).

Conclusion: solid technique, multiple fights, good use of his positioning on the battlefield, interesting try of moves & combination to unbalance Murakami.
And again, he had to suffer simultaneous assaults.


During Round 4, Yuma took on Kageura while Osamu was busy with Inukai, Tsuji, Okudera and Koarai.
After Osamu and Chika’s bailouts, being the only one without any support on the battlefield, he had to survive and fight for points.
Again, being targeted as a grasshopper user, he was ganged up by Inukai, Koarai, Tsuji & Azuma. He lost an arm and a leg, but still managed to snatch a point, almost two if it wasn’t for Azuma taking the shot on Tsuji.
Then, Yuma held his ground against Kageura with 2 limbs missing, until Ninomiya’s massive bombing. And he was very close to counter Ninomiya with a scorpion whip if not for a few seconds.
That move apparently rash was the only remaining option when facing the N°1 shooter, one of the Top attackers, plus the Border’s first sniper & best commander.

Conclusion: survival mode against 4 foes without support, two limbs missing, massive disadvantage of being an outnumbered attacker against best-in-class close, mid and long-range fighters.


Sorry for that very long introduction.
My point is that this Round against Katori and Kakizaki is the only battle with Tamakoma (seemingly) in total control of the game.
This time, Yuma is not the victim of multiple opponents. He is taking the initiative.
Plus, when facing Kakizaki in the final part of this chapter, it’s a real 1-Vs-1, without external disturbance. He has all of his arms and legs, against an injured Kakizaki.
And Yuma, with all the might, battle experience, tactical ability and genius in skills that he has demonstrated before, is being fooled that easily (arm lock + point-blank range shot without reaction)? How is this even possible?

I’m waiting for the next chapter, because I can’t believe it.
It would have been something like Sasamori’s “chameleon hug” or Murakami’s “thruster-in-your-face-full-with-blowing-meteora”, then why not? But this… is just too simple.