Sousei no Onmyouji Chapter 30 Discussion

Apr 30, 2016 7:43 PM

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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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So that's how it feels to be "reborn"? Weird. About time the head exorcist showed up!

Apr 30, 2016 7:58 PM

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Another random power up, boring. Nice to see the Miko though, that was cool, cute kid too.

Apr 30, 2016 10:00 PM

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I thought he is like a clone or something. A child can also means that.

Apr 30, 2016 10:08 PM

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Yautja said:
Nice to see the Miko though, that was cool, cute kid too.

Not the Miko. Didn't you read the chapter?

Apr 30, 2016 10:36 PM

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Lulupus said:

Yautja said:
Nice to see the Miko though, that was cool, cute kid too.

Not the Miko. Didn't you read the chapter?

I assumed it was Roku talking when it said my child, and considering it's dress I assumed Miko. But w.e.

May 1, 2016 12:37 AM

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Yautja said:

Lulupus said:

Not the Miko. Didn't you read the chapter?

I assumed it was Roku talking when it said my child, and considering it's dress I assumed Miko. But w.e.

ch.21/22 already said that that is Seimei and it was Seimei that called Rokuro his child

May 1, 2016 12:43 AM

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Ah, well that's hardly what I figured Seimei would have looked like. That aside, I don't really bother remembering much about this particular manga. Not my cup of tea.

May 1, 2016 1:16 AM

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Yautja said:

Ah, well that's hardly what I figured Seimei would have looked like. That aside, I don't really bother remembering much about this particular manga. Not my cup of tea.

yeah, it's an unexpected form for a father character....well it's no wonder why you're complaining about it, because you don't understand what's going on

May 1, 2016 7:38 AM

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pretty many things that give unclear meanings.. wait for more chapter..

"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on."

May 2, 2016 3:08 PM

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That was very cute, when Rokuro said he wanted to look cool in front of his wife.

Yeah i just read it and was thinking, well you better kick some ass and survive now, I need to see some emotions from those two to each other. The wait is real though!!!

May 2, 2016 3:44 PM

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Arima sure is something else. I also find Seimei's shota form utterly cute.

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May 4, 2016 6:52 PM

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Yautja said:

Ah, well that's hardly what I figured Seimei would have looked like. That aside, I don't really bother remembering much about this particular manga. Not my cup of tea.

You can tell the one who said "my child" was the shota because he said it in an archaic form of speech. Unfortunately, that's lost in the translation, making it confusing. But I speak Japanese and I checked the raw and I can assure you the one who said that was the mystery shota.

On another note, this chapter makes it clear there's a big gap of power between Rokuro and Benio. Rokuro is strong enough give Hijirimaru a beating, while Benio was tied with Higano. Hijirimaru is raked 4th among the Basara, while Higano is ranked 9th. There's a big gap between them, and it seems the gap between Rokuro and Benio is about the same.

That's a shame. I wanted Rokuro and Benio to be more on par with each other, but now I'm pretty sure the author doesn't want that.

1idd0kunMay 4, 2016 6:57 PM

May 5, 2016 4:12 PM

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1idd0kun said:

On another note, this chapter makes it clear there's a big gap of power between Rokuro and Benio. Rokuro is strong enough give Hijirimaru a beating, while Benio was tied with Higano. Hijirimaru is raked 4th among the Basara, while Higano is ranked 9th. There's a big gap between them, and it seems the gap between Rokuro and Benio is about the same.

LulupusMay 5, 2016 4:22 PM

May 6, 2016 9:44 PM

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Lulupus said:

1idd0kun said:

On another note, this chapter makes it clear there's a big gap of power between Rokuro and Benio. Rokuro is strong enough give Hijirimaru a beating, while Benio was tied with Higano. Hijirimaru is raked 4th among the Basara, while Higano is ranked 9th. There's a big gap between them, and it seems the gap between Rokuro and Benio is about the same.

Hijirimaru took that many attacks because Rokuro became that strong. Before he woke up, Rokuro got a new powerup from Seimei.

May 6, 2016 10:06 PM

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Hijirimaru took that many attacks because Rokuro became that strong. Before he woke up, Rokuro got a new powerup from Seimei.

Rokuro didn't get a powerup though; Hijirimaru commented about the surge of power for only a moment before he woke up so that was just a wake up kick if anything; it went away after Rokuro gained consciousness. He just relied on his own strength and wits the rest of the fight until Benio showed up. And rather than a powerup, Rokuro actually used his brain during the fight, which surprised me. He fought close range in order to knock Hijirimaru's claws out of the way whenever he could to avoid getting hit and equipped Gaihou Goura when he got hit to decrease damage.

Hijirimaru could've dodged all of his attacks but he was immobilized for some reason, which gave Rokuro the opportunity to damage him...what I want to know is what caused him to freeze

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May 7, 2016 12:58 AM

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Lulupus said:

Rokuro didn't get a powerup though

He did. There's a panel where it's shown that Seimei gave him power.

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Hijirimaru commented about the surge of power for only a moment before he woke up so that was just a wake up kick if anything; it went away after Rokuro gained consciousness. He just relied on his own strength and wits the rest of the fight until Benio showed up. And rather than a powerup, Rokuro actually used his brain during the fight, which surprised me. He fought close range in order to knock Hijirimaru's claws out of the way whenever he could to avoid getting hit and equipped Gaihou Goura when he got hit to decrease damage.

Hijirimaru is ranked 4th among the Basara. Rokuro's normal power wouldn't even be able to scratch him. But this time Rokuro's punches were causing quite a lot of damage. That proves he got a massive power up.

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Hijirimaru could've dodged all of his attacks but he was immobilized for some reason.

He wasn't immobilized. Rokuro was just too fast. And his punched were too powerful so Hijjirimaru was taking a lot of damage everytime he was hit. If he was immobilized he would have said though.

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May 7, 2016 1:30 AM

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Lulupus said:

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May 7, 2016 8:25 AM

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May 7, 2016 10:14 AM

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Lulupus said:

We'll have to wait, I guess. But for now I'm sticking to my guns.

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May 7, 2016 1:23 PM

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1idd0kun said:
Look, even if he focused all his power, there's no way he would hurt Hijirimaru that much with his normal power. Hijirimaru was already really powerful, but he even got a powerup when Higano gave him his power.

Yes we know Hijirimaru is really powerful now but what I'm saying about Rokuro not getting a powerup has nothing to do with that at all. We can already see how super powerful Hijirimaru's attacks are, but that still doesn't matter if Hijirimaru couldn't dodge for shit. Anyone can beat him up when he's vulnerable. Imagine in a video game where you fight a high leveled boss while you're not even close to that level but you dodge for most of the battle and come up with strategies to do damage to them during the right times; that's basically what Rokuro did.

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If this is what Rokuro can do in his normal form now, then the gap between him and Benio is immeasurable.

Disagreed. I wouldn't go that far but yes, Benio is weaker than Rokuro but not that far behind. Only reason why she appears weak is because 1) before the Yuuto fight, she didn't have Namanari powers like Rokuro and 2) author wanted to tease us with the appearance of her guardian spirit as soon as possible. A gap between them doesn't even matter since they're stronger when they fight together, which they should do more often. Separately both Benio and Rokuro reach their limits quicker when fighting enemies as strong as Hijirimaru and Higano.

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Benio used all her power in guardian mode and barely managed to take Higano's leg. Rokuro is in a totally different dimension.

I disagree again. If Benio never woke up after using her guardian spirit then I would've thought that there would be a gap. However, she did, which to me already shows that she's not far behind Rokuro when it comes to how much power she has. Compared to when Rokuro, who was asleep for an entire day after going into Seimei mode, Benio only took a couple hours at most to regain consciousness and she still has enough enchanted powers to fight after that. And I don't think she went all out as a guardian spirit but more like the time limit was up.

LulupusMay 7, 2016 1:40 PM

May 7, 2016 1:55 PM

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May 7, 2016 4:47 PM

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1idd0kun said:

Hijirimaru was already tanking everything Shimon threw at him before the latter started to use his trump card. And after his powerup he should be tougher too, not just more powerful. He wouldn't even need to dodge Rokuro's punches now unless he got a lot more powerful somehow.

I wouldn't consider that tanking; he was getting pummeled and would've died if Higano didn't act as his shield. The guy just sucks at dodging probably from overconfidence; there's also the possibility that speed isn't his specialtly like for Higano.

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It was said the gap of power between the basara is not linear. This means that Hijirimaru wasn't just a little more powerful than Higano; he was a lot more powerful, by far. The fact that Rokuro could hold his own against him, without even using his guardian mode, means he is indeed a lot stronger than Benio. It's a huge gap.

If you say the gap between Hijirimaru and Higano was huge and that Higano is far weaker in comparison to Hijirimaru, then it wouldn't have made much of a difference in toughness or powers when Hijirimaru absorbed him. His toughness wouldn't have changed much at all even. If there wasn't a huge gap, then something else was affecting his performance. I'm going with second option.

1idd0kun said:
The fact that Rokuro could hold his own against him, without even using his guardian mode, means he is indeed a lot stronger than Benio. It's a huge gap.

No, that just means he dodged well enough and had quick thinking. It's also a bonus for Rokuro that Hijirimaru is slow af. Even the damage he dealt was only on the surface before Benio showed up and they both used Resonance. Rokuro would've lost if she didn't show up because he was already at his limit and did only scratch damage, so yeah, he's not immensely stronger compared to Benio.

Their difference in strength could make more development for Benio in the future though. Sukeno-sensei already plans to separate Rokuro and Benio and not have them go to the island together so maybe Benio's conflict for this will revolve around her not being Rokuro's equal as a Twin Star.

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May 8, 2016 9:32 AM

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May 13, 2016 9:04 AM

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So is that little girl/guy(?) the miko or Seimei or....? Interesting how it's revealed Rokuro remembers seeing that him/her before. Will we see anything more about Rokuro's past (before he was found in Magano by Seigen) soon?

Seeing the comments above, seems that the one who said "my child" is that little girl/guy omg is Rokuro like Seimei's child or what...! I need answers, hopefully I wont have to wait too long (ie next chapter please) o____o

Wonder if Rokuro got stronger because he saw that little girl/guy(?) or is he just 'awake' now, because he couldn't even move before he had this little conversation him/her. Hopefully the next battle between Rokuro and that Basara is not going to have an anti-climatic ending (ie it ends quickly) because it seems that the Basara's power just increased by a lot..unless Rokuro has something hidden in his sleeves still

And wow Arima is kinda badass? XD but I guess he is not a "Tsuchimikado" for nothing lol. But that evil smile though...does he know about Benio's guardian/enchanted form??? How much does this man know??!

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May 18, 2016 11:32 PM

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@blue-y Should I answer your questions or are they rhetorical? xD

May 19, 2016 9:32 PM

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blue-y said:
So is that little girl/guy(?) the miko or Seimei or....?

Seimei

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Seeing the comments above, seems that the one who said "my child" is that little girl/guy omg is Rokuro like Seimei's child or what...! I need answers, hopefully I wont have to wait too long (ie next chapter please)

Rokuro is Seimei's child.

May 21, 2016 10:17 AM

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@blue-y Should I answer your questions or are they rhetorical? xD

I'm curious to know the answers but they're actually also rhetorical...XD

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blue-y said:
So is that little girl/guy(?) the miko or Seimei or....?

Seimei

blue-y said:
Seeing the comments above, seems that the one who said "my child" is that little girl/guy omg is Rokuro like Seimei's child or what...! I need answers, hopefully I wont have to wait too long (ie next chapter please)

Rokuro is Seimei's child.

Lol thanks for the info XD Hopefully we wont have to wait too long for explanations about Rokuro..

May 21, 2016 12:49 PM

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blue-y said:
Wonder if Rokuro got stronger because he saw that little girl/guy(?) or is he just 'awake' now, because he couldn't even move before he had this little conversation him/her.

He couldn't move because he was knocked out from headbutting Hijirimaru. Seimei gave him a wake-up kick.

May 28, 2016 5:03 PM

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*shipping intensifies* I want more :^(

Jul 4, 2016 9:30 AM

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My theory on who the sousei and miko actually are.

I think that Rokuro's enchanted guardian is Abe No Semei. There is plenty of proof for this and most people already know this. Kuzonoa calls Rokuro Semei. An impurity calls Rokuro Semei (zemei)(happens in chapter 3). In chapter 9 Mayura in impurity form says Semei while looking at Rokuro. The seal on his chest when his guardian is released is Semei's seal.

I think that Benio's enchanted guardian is the first basara Chinu. In chapter 28 we see a flashback where Shimon lists off the names of the basara, with images from the back of what they look like. If you count the images and match up the names to the ones we already know (Kamui, Higano and Hijirimaru) then you should see that the first basara Chinu has no image. Thats another reason why I believe that Benio's enchanted guardian is Chinu.

I think that Rokuro's guardian represents yang and Benio's Yin. We can see this by the seals on their backs when their enchanted guardian is released. This leads me onto who the miko is.

I believe the miko is and exorcist who has powers over both ying and yang. What Yuuto calls a true exorcist in chapter 14. The parents being the master of Yang (Semei) and the master of Yin (Chinu). The most powerful true exorcist will be born. I believe Arima is hiding this.

I think that Arima is hiding this because some exorcist would not agree with Chinu being an enchanted guardian and or the miko having power over yin.

Thats my theory I would love to hear others thoughts on it and what they think.

Jul 6, 2016 2:23 PM

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This is a pretty awesome chapter.

What's more awesome is that Basara doesn't have pig tails anymore.

That's probably the best part of this chapter for me.

Nov 15, 2017 6:28 PM

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Oh man that face Arima made when looking at Benio definitely was pretty evil, saw a post on one of these chapter forum pages saying that Benio's spirit guardian is somehow the strongest basara (the og post goes into better detail) and honestly that makes a lot of sense. That way when Rokuro, his guardian spirit being all good exorcist power and Benio's being made up of kegare power, their child would then have huge sums of power from each side which would be pretty badass.

Also let's go Rokuro show us something!!!

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