| 1º Don't believe the hype.... 2º Haven't you seen ''Kaguya-hime no Monogatari'' ? The movie is a piece of art, really a masterpiece, anyone who say the opposite is just a hater..... |
| ''Ask not the Sparrow, how the Eagle soars'' - Kiryūin Satsuki |
| Takahata movies just have less mainstream access especially here in the west. That means less people rating it on 8-10 scales which makes the scores closer to 'real' scores compared to stuff with hundreds of thousands of casual viewers. Which is probably why his movies are rated similarly as on imdb while others are rated higher. I'd say the anime community just largely ignores his movies compared to other directors, but most people who know about him actually have a good opinion of him in my experience. Personally I love his movies, he's made some of my favorites and the amount of variety in his storytelling, characters, visuals and concepts is always refreshing and makes him the more interesting director compared to Miyazaki as far as I'm concerned, even though I also love the latter. |
AlcoholicideApr 27, 2016 9:28 PM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Because any Ghibli movie not directed by Miyazaki is automatically bad? Nah, just look at Grave of the Fireflies or The Tale of Princess Kaguya |
| Well, Pom Poko and The Yamada's are indeed pretty unconventional, so they could have less mainstream appeal (though none of the are "poorly rated"). If you look at Grave of the Fireflies and Kaguya-hime, they have higher ratings than Satoshi Kon's movies and some Miyazaki movies too. |
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| I can't dislike his films if i don't know in what he was involved. |
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| Basically what people already said, his themes and obsessions often play with rooted social and cultural elements and diverge from Western appeal. Many things of Pom Poko are hard to fully understand if you don't have a base knowledge. Only yesterday and My neighbors the Yamadas are common slice of life stories except they take advantage of an environment, a set of events and cultural influences and etc. that are very unequivocally Japanese. His works are not really underrated. They are underwatched if anything, for the reasons stated above. And now let's stop pretending and turn this thread into what it should be: an appreciation thread for Chie the brat. You know you want it. |
| I am not even a huge fan of Ghibli stuff in general, not just Takahata. There are really only a select few stand out movies that I really enjoyed, and a whole lot of mediocrity. I do generally watch most of them though, since they usually come to a theater in my state, and it's awesome to see anime in a theater even if it's a mediocre movie. |
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach"  |
Kruszer said: even if it's a mediocre movie. I may be overdoing it by even responding, but "mediocre"? Ghibli are some of the highest production in the business, that's why they are making it to the theatre. Maybe not quite your taste is a better way to say it. |
| I watched Only Yesterday a little while ago and I'm very glad that I did. A masterful example of slice of life. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
DateYutaka said: jal90 said: Basically what people already said, his themes and obsessions often play with rooted social and cultural elements and diverge from Western appeal. Many things of Pom Poko are hard to fully understand if you don't have a base knowledge. Only yesterday and My neighbors the Yamadas are common slice of life stories except they take advantage of an environment, a set of events and cultural influences and etc. that are very unequivocally Japanese. His works are not really underrated. They are underwatched if anything, for the reasons stated above. And now let's stop pretending and turn this thread into what it should be: an appreciation thread for Chie the brat. You know you want it. i loved jariko chie alot its one of the best Yep! And for such an early film of him, it is a strong codifier of what later became his themes and his seal as an author in Ghibli. I can totally see Chie as an inspiration for child Taeko, and the depiction of the city, and the theme of childhood delusions vs reality all match Only yesterday very well. The fragmented narrative style is totally My neighbors the Yamadas and the whole animal testicle subplot -what a weird obsession this guy has- reminded me of Pom Poko quite a lot xD. A strange and weirdly paced movie but also very effective, hilarious and incredibly sad/disturbing at the same time. Of course, I'm talking about the movie here, not the series which I expect to be equally great. |
| I've always felt Takahata is better than Miyazaki. |
msteve60 said: You just answered your own question LOLAre Takahata's films too unconventional for most anime fans? I'm personally a fan but I can see why it's not appealing to mainstream fans. It's like Josei Anime. Doesn't really appeal to people who want to watch Anime for the entertainment. roundbeats said: More like, Ghibli appeals to general audience the best. It's usually fantasy... like Disney. Uses stuff like magic and supernatural to tell its stories.Kruszer said: even if it's a mediocre movie. I may be overdoing it by even responding, but "mediocre"? Ghibli are some of the highest production in the business, that's why they are making it to the theatre. Maybe not quite your taste is a better way to say it. I also would say a lot of Ghibli films are subpar/mediocre, especially compared to movies that never make it to theaters and are only mentioned by Anime fans (Perfect Blue for example) |
| I haven't seen anything from him. I don't really watch many anime movies because of the way I like to watch anime. I like to watch episode by episode rather than having to find the time to watch anime 2 hours straight. I technically could pace watching a movie over the course of a day, but it feels weird. |
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| takahata's great. his movies just dont find the popularity miyazaki movies get outside japan. |
| Imagine a berserk anime by Yoshiaki kawajiri at Madhouse. Now take a look at Berserk (2016). YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO CRY. |
| Because they are usually very slow and very preachy. That makes them pretty boring in my opinion. |
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Josh said: I watched Only Yesterday a little while ago and I'm very glad that I did. A masterful example of slice of life. ^ It's really underrated on Mal though. |
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| I love Grave of the Fireflies and Princess Kaguya but I wouldn't call either of them underrated. I mean, Princess Kaguya has a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. Not many people have seen The Yamadas (Me included) so I'm guessing the low viewer count is to blame for the wonky stats. |
SeibaaHomuApr 29, 2016 6:37 AM
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| Personally I don't hate his films... I used to love pom poko. I'm not jumping to any conclusions and don't quote me on this but I guess some people might just be like "Oh look it's not directed by Miyazaki, let's scrape through every detail" Or something. Meh idrk but I like his works so I don't really care what others think =3 |
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Mayuka said: msteve60 said: You just answered your own question LOLAre Takahata's films too unconventional for most anime fans? I'm personally a fan but I can see why it's not appealing to mainstream fans. It's like Josei Anime. Doesn't really appeal to people who want to watch Anime for the entertainment. roundbeats said: More like, Ghibli appeals to general audience the best. It's usually fantasy... like Disney. Uses stuff like magic and supernatural to tell its stories.I may be overdoing it by even responding, but "mediocre"? Ghibli are some of the highest production in the business, that's why they are making it to the theatre. Maybe not quite your taste is a better way to say it. I also would say a lot of Ghibli films are subpar/mediocre, especially compared to movies that never make it to theaters and are only mentioned by Anime fans (Perfect Blue for example) Isn't the point of this thread that Takahata's movies don't appeal to as a wide an audience? Many Ghibli films don't use much fantasy at all, just the most popular ones (i.e. princess mononoke, spirited away, howl's moving castle). Only Yesterday, Grave of the Fireflies, and My Neighbors the Yamadas, are all purely dramas. Miyazaki and Takahata are pioneers of animation, I have no idea where this Ghibli is another Disney idea came from (because Disney helped with western localization I suspect). As far as Miyazaki's movies go, because something has widespread approval doesn't mean it is necessarily bad (that's just bad nerd logic). |
roundbeatsApr 29, 2016 8:47 AM
Mayuka said: More like, Ghibli appeals to general audience the best. It's usually fantasy... like Disney. Uses stuff like magic and supernatural to tell its stories. I also would say a lot of Ghibli films are subpar/mediocre, especially compared to movies that never make it to theaters and are only mentioned by Anime fans (Perfect Blue for example) That's an... interesting comparison to say the least. Being a fantasy and appealing to a general audience doesn't make a movie Disney, nor makes it like Disney. Other than that there may be other reasons for Perfect Blue not being popular instead of the "subpar/mediocre" Ghiblies. Maybe because it's a risqué psychothriller that can only be sold to an adult audience and features a lot of nudity and disturbing imagery. |
roundbeats said: Kruszer said: even if it's a mediocre movie. I may be overdoing it by even responding, but "mediocre"? Ghibli are some of the highest production in the business, that's why they are making it to the theatre. Maybe not quite your taste is a better way to say it. Maybe, maybe not, but it seems we use very different things to judge the quality of something though. Also, lets be honest here, the only thing that puts any anime in theaters here in the US, Ghibli movie or otherwise, is someone local with enough money to throw around to make it happen. Basically nowadays that's either GKids, Funimation, or VIZ. |
KruszerApr 29, 2016 6:22 PM
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach" |
| Because Miyazaki's are more popular. Grave of the Fireflies is decently well know as far as anime movies though, I do generally like Miyazaki's movies better though. I loved Pom Poko I liked The Tale of Princess Kaguya I though Only Yesterday was ok. I didn't like My Neighbors the Yamadas. I haven't seen Grave of the Fireflies yet, interestingly I'm planning to watch it this weekend. |
msteve60 said: Not compared to the popular Ghiblis thoughMayuka said: I also would say a lot of Ghibli films are subpar/mediocre, especially compared to movies that never make it to theaters and are only mentioned by Anime fans (Perfect Blue for example) Perfect Blue is more famous in the US than most of Takahata's films. It also has a much higher rating on this site than most of Takahata's films. jal90 said: Disney is like fairytales for children and the most popular Ghibli films are pretty much the same thing.Mayuka said: More like, Ghibli appeals to general audience the best. It's usually fantasy... like Disney. Uses stuff like magic and supernatural to tell its stories. I also would say a lot of Ghibli films are subpar/mediocre, especially compared to movies that never make it to theaters and are only mentioned by Anime fans (Perfect Blue for example) That's an... interesting comparison to say the least. Being a fantasy and appealing to a general audience doesn't make a movie Disney, nor makes it like Disney. Other than that there may be other reasons for Perfect Blue not being popular instead of the "subpar/mediocre" Ghiblies. Maybe because it's a risqué psychothriller that can only be sold to an adult audience and features a lot of nudity and disturbing imagery. And that's the thing, Ghibli is safe for work. Most Anime movies aren't and that's why they're less popular and not as well known. |
| To be fair, I wasn't entirely sure who that was. As for his movies... I mean the stories are probably pretty good but... I find it hard to enjoy anime pre-2006 if I hadn't already seen it. |
Kruszer said: roundbeats said: I may be overdoing it by even responding, but "mediocre"? Ghibli are some of the highest production in the business, that's why they are making it to the theatre. Maybe not quite your taste is a better way to say it. Maybe, maybe not, but it seems we use very different things to judge the quality of something though. Also, lets be honest here, the only thing that puts any anime in theaters here in the US, Ghibli movie or otherwise, is someone local with enough money to throw around to make it happen. Basically nowadays that's either GKids, Funimation, or VIZ. Disney d Kruszer said: roundbeats said: I may be overdoing it by even responding, but "mediocre"? Ghibli are some of the highest production in the business, that's why they are making it to the theatre. Maybe not quite your taste is a better way to say it. Maybe, maybe not, but it seems we use very different things to judge the quality of something though. Also, lets be honest here, the only thing that puts any anime in theaters here in the US, Ghibli movie or otherwise, is someone local with enough money to throw around to make it happen. Basically nowadays that's either GKids, Funimation, or VIZ. Many Ghibli movies aren't especially palatable for non-critics or those not in animation or the arts (take a look at rotten tomatoes). They fair OK at the box office in the west, I was saying the reason they are even making it to there is because they are some of the highest production in the business, their budgets are bigger and they have tons of seasoned veterans. Mediocre is just a word that shouldn't be in the same sentence with most Ghibli work, barring maybe Ocean Waves and Gedo Senko which I would still pit up against a majority (50%+) of anime anyway. |
roundbeatsApr 29, 2016 9:14 PM
| Well we'll have to just agree to disagree on that. |
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach" |
Kruszer said: Well we'll have to just agree to disagree on that. Yes, you and most educated movie and anime critics. |
roundbeats said: Kruszer said: Well we'll have to just agree to disagree on that. Yes, you and most educated movie and anime critics. I'm totally cool with that, actually. I Don't want to be associated with them. I'm just an anime fan for fun. |
KruszerApr 30, 2016 10:42 PM
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach" |
| I don't know who the guy is, nor do I care. |
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| Until know I did not even know the name Isao Takahata. But then again I usually don't watch movies (and even OVAs I only barely watch). I prefer full series with more episodes. Don't even like most of the ghibli movies. I put the 1st "Only Yesterday" in the search. Doesn't seem to me like it is poorly rated. It is above 7.5. Yes it is not super-high like 8 or 9. But Considerning that 8.5 is already like top 100 or top 50 of the showas here on MAL between 7.5 and 8.5 it is already a good rating. Between 7.0 and 7.5 average. Lower than 7.0 (or lower than 6.5) is bad. |
| Grave of the fireflies was a masterpiece and Akage no Anne is a hidden beautiful gem. Also stop taking scores so seriously, for the most part they're superficial and completely subjective. |
TheMaster100May 1, 2016 4:24 PM
| I always love Takahata's approach on the story and storytelling, I have watched almost all of his movies when he was joined Studio Ghibli and all of them are likable. Gotta say it is Only Yesterday to be more specific, the epitome of slice of life and drama. The best anime in that category out there so far for me and I am glad that I watched it. I am still planning to watch all of anime from World Masterpiece Theater, including all of the series which is directed by him. |
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| Different strokes for different folks, thats what I say. I saw his movie Grave of the Fireflies the other day. A masterpiece that drove me to tears. |
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