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Apr 27, 2016 5:53 PM
#1
As much as I like anime, I see all these people giving 9 or 10/10 ratings and I personally haven't found much anime worthy of that. Am I a little TOO critical? |
Apr 27, 2016 5:58 PM
#2
Well i don't think so... 6.67 mean score is pretty average and balanced. |
Apr 27, 2016 5:59 PM
#3
If all your favorite anime are LoTGH, Tatami Galaxy, Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, and Haibane Renmei, you're most likely the most critical person you know |
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Apr 27, 2016 6:01 PM
#4
the time when you feel soo view anime can entertain you, you realize you have too high expectation to medium and starting lowering your own standard to get pleased instead leaving the medium... |
Apr 27, 2016 6:02 PM
#5
Yeah, I guess some people are maybe not critical enough XD |
Apr 27, 2016 6:05 PM
#6
consider the following: you've only rated between 4 and 9 move that up by 1, and suddenly it's a 5-10 rating system, with ~25% of the entries at 9 or 10 |
Apr 27, 2016 6:07 PM
#7
Who cares, just rate anime how you feel they deserve to be rated. |
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Apr 27, 2016 6:09 PM
#8
You haven't watched that much. Might become critical once you've established what you like and don't like. |
Apr 27, 2016 6:15 PM
#9
As far as I'm concerned I don't think so. Your mean score is slightly on the higher side, doesn't matter if you almost never give out tens (you're not supposed to). |
Apr 27, 2016 6:16 PM
#10
If you're bitching about something you don't actually care about, you're being too critical. If you're criticizing a series and seriously think part of the title could've been improved upon, or if a flaw in a series did impact your experience, you're fine. Now if you're going out of your way to decry a series as trash when there's some miniscule amount of plot inconsistency, you're just being unreasonable. Protaku said: If all your favorite anime are LoTGH, Tatami Galaxy, Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, and Haibane Renmei, you're most likely the most critical person you know Hey... |
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Apr 27, 2016 6:19 PM
#11
TheRefractingOne said: If you're bitching about something you don't actually care about, you're being too critical. If you're criticizing a series and seriously think part of the title could've been improved upon, or if a flaw in a series did impact your experience, you're fine. Now if you're going out of you're way to decry a series as trash when there's some miniscule amount of plot inconsistency, you're just being unreasonable. Protaku said: If all your favorite anime are LoTGH, Tatami Galaxy, Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, and Haibane Renmei, you're most likely the most critical person you know Hey... Lmfao. Being critical is only a bad thing if you think of it like that :P I was neutral when I said that mang. |
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Apr 27, 2016 6:19 PM
#12
Nah, you're not too critical. For someone who has only seen like 30 anime, your scores are a bit lower compared to other newbies though. |
Apr 27, 2016 6:31 PM
#13
Nah. You're probably one of the very few people on MAL who actually follows the official grading scale (a score of 5 is average on MAL but all these fucks use 7/8 as average instead... myself included). |
Apr 27, 2016 6:32 PM
#14
Short answer: Rate how you want. Long answer: I see nothing wrong with awarding 9's and 10's only on rare occasions. Look at my list and you'll see I've only rated a couple of shows 9, and I have yet to give a 10 to any anime. I like to think of it this way: 9 and 10 should be for shows that are my all-time favorites, the best of the best of the best. If you rate everything a 9 or 10, how do you point out the shows that you want everyone to know you loved? There's nothing wrong with using the full scale instead of squeezing everything into the high numbers. If you reserve 9's and 10's for best of the best, you can use 8 for a longer list of favorites while still keeping 6 and 7 available for shows you enjoyed. |
Apr 27, 2016 6:45 PM
#15
Apr 27, 2016 6:51 PM
#16
when you start acting as if theres something wrong with people who like something you don't |
Apr 27, 2016 7:14 PM
#17
MAL considers the score of 5 to be average (essentially because it's in the middle of the scoring). The only time you could be too harsh would simply be giving (what you consider) an average show lower than five, I don't think rating harshly is a major problem either, people rating too highly is much more prominent. On MAL mean scores of less than 7 on a show make people tend to think it's a bad show, although MAL even states that 4 is bad and that 5 is average. 7 should be "very good" not "pretty bad". |
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Apr 27, 2016 7:17 PM
#18
Apr 27, 2016 7:18 PM
#19
Protaku said: how would that mean that youre too critical?If all your favorite anime are LoTGH, Tatami Galaxy, Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, and Haibane Renmei, you're most likely the most critical person you know |
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Apr 27, 2016 7:20 PM
#20
ixaa said: Nah. You're probably one of the very few people on MAL who actually follows the official grading scale (a score of 5 is average on MAL but all these fucks use 7/8 as average instead... myself included). This lady is absolutely right. This issue is very close to my heart - otherwise, I wouldn't bother posting - as, while scoring is very personal, I think the system is generally misused. Not only people are likely to disregard the scale for what'as supposed to be, the scores themselves are widely influenced by personal experience and subjectivity instead of objective criteria. That's not to say feelings and the impression you get when watching (or experiencing anything, really) shouldn't be taken into account; just that it's one of its many nuances. One should be able to realize, for instance, that his / her favorite shows aren't necessarily the best ones in many technical aspects (which doesn't detract from its value, mind). Likewise, fairness requires that any work be evaluated considering the context in which it was produced. Finally, the only downside of being critical when appreciating anime is that you'll be often disappointed by the lack of novelty, quality and, of course, that cult following of certain titles. |
Apr 27, 2016 7:22 PM
#21
damn am i the only one with a high mean score or what? |
Apr 27, 2016 7:30 PM
#22
Malarkey said: Protaku said: how would that mean that youre too critical?If all your favorite anime are LoTGH, Tatami Galaxy, Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, and Haibane Renmei, you're most likely the most critical person you know It should be self-explanatory, really. |
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Apr 27, 2016 7:33 PM
#23
Protaku said: no.. it isntMalarkey said: Protaku said: If all your favorite anime are LoTGH, Tatami Galaxy, Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, and Haibane Renmei, you're most likely the most critical person you know It should be self-explanatory, really. that would just mean that you like those series and it doesnt mean that youd hate all the Akame ga Kill's and SnS's out there |
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Apr 27, 2016 7:52 PM
#24
I'd say one is too critical if they forget how to separate analysis from just enjoying the show. If someone thinks that they can only enjoy a show for not having any flaws, having some "deep" psuedo-philosophical motifs, and not being mainstream, they are too critical. Imo it all boils down to whether or not they can separate enjoyment from finding flaws in a show, because even if an elitist cunt is only engrossed in giving criticisms, they can still enjoy the act of doing so, and if they are aware of this and don't feel like slamming people for not doing the same, I'd say they're okay. |
Apr 27, 2016 7:57 PM
#25
I remember when Ihad 40 anime in my completed list..... damn my mean score was like a 8.5 XD so no. |
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Apr 27, 2016 8:13 PM
#26
I think you are fine, try asking this question after 150 anime or something whn you can start to tell at a glance which shows are worth you time and which are not. On the other hand, I think that my overall mean score is progressively getting closer to a pure 5.00 the more I try and spread out my ratings. Which is good for me, but others might see my list as too negative even though the mean score is at 6.05 |
Apr 27, 2016 8:16 PM
#27
You're not that critical, but it's good to balance both 50/50 |
Apr 27, 2016 8:23 PM
#28
I'm not too critical and you aren't either, being too "critical" is when you completely disregard series' merits on the pretext that they aren't as "serious" as mediocre shows that are typically associated with elitism(logh), while only having horrible cinemasins kind of nitpicks as criticisms to legitimately great shows. |
Apr 27, 2016 8:29 PM
#29
kryptic2g said: damn am i the only one with a high mean score or what? Nah, you're not. Tons of people here gives only 10's. What's up with that anyway. To OP. Nah, you're not being too critical. |
Apr 27, 2016 9:26 PM
#30
when you think that you are too critical then you are too critical. If you do not think that you are too critical you are not too critical. |
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Apr 27, 2016 9:32 PM
#31
You can't be overall too critical, just on certain genre and aspects. Your mean score is completely average, so you obviously aren't being critical to the point of abusing the 1, 2 and 3 scores. Either that, or you don't use them and think a show that's a 4 or a 5 is just as bad as a 1, 2, or 3 show. In that case, then you just got to fix your scores up. |
PabloTheOffenderApr 27, 2016 9:38 PM
Anime sucks. |
Apr 27, 2016 9:34 PM
#32
Just rate however you want really. Critical is just a word. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Apr 27, 2016 9:55 PM
#33
Zapredon said: Just rate however you want really. Critical is just a word. Your sig says it all. People on MAL need to get a hobby. |
Apr 28, 2016 12:08 AM
#34
> How do you know if you're too critical? If you find yourself engaged in heated arguments bashing shows on MAL more often than defending them, you're too critical. JoJo_Stalin said: I'd say one is too critical if they forget how to separate analysis from just enjoying the show. If someone thinks that they can only enjoy a show for not having any flaws, having some "deep" psuedo-philosophical motifs, and not being mainstream, they are too critical. Imo it all boils down to whether or not they can separate enjoyment from finding flaws in a show, because even if an elitist cunt is only engrossed in giving criticisms, they can still enjoy the act of doing so, and if they are aware of this and don't feel like slamming people for not doing the same, I'd say they're okay. Well said. cherryblossom519 said: As much as I like anime, I see all these people giving 9 or 10/10 ratings and I personally haven't found much anime worthy of that. Am I a little TOO critical? MALgraph tells me I only rated 10 about 30 shows out of 608, which is about 3.4%. Since your list has only 30 shows, it's very likely that you just haven't watched a single masterpiece-level show. There are two ways to look for one: follow your personal desires (you will eventually find the show that is perfect for you, like me and Dog Days), or look for artsy shows (movies and OVA as opposed to TV shows are much more likely to be perfect. Miyazaki and his Studio Ghibli make well-known ones) kryptic2g said: damn am i the only one with a high mean score or what? MALgraph tells me my average is 7.51, which is 0.44 points higher than global mean. From this, we know that the average anime is "good" (7 out of 10). Presumably in comparison to other forms of entertainment. Well, MAL is naturally biased, because it's populated entirely by anime fans. |
Apr 28, 2016 12:10 AM
#35
When you're more determined to look for flaws than praise. As for me, after finishing a series I read reviews to find flaws. My average anime score is like 6.5 |
Apr 28, 2016 12:11 AM
#36
You know you're not too critical when you have at least one 10/10 on your list. Because no anime is perfect, really; so if something's good enough to be a 10/10 masterpiece, you're probably not being too critical. |
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Apr 28, 2016 12:29 AM
#37
Apr 28, 2016 12:43 AM
#38
You've barely seen anything yet. Your ratings look really sensible, if anything. How to tell if you're being too critical: If you're not at least trying to immerse yourself in the story and enjoy what you're watching for what it is, then you're being too critical. Bad anime will break that immersion without you needing to consciously analyse it. For example: I wanted to like Psycho Pass and was doing what I could to enjoy that story before I gave up and dropped it at the end of the first episode. I wasn't analysing its flaws at the time. It was only after the fact that I stopped and thought about why it was so difficult to enjoy. |
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Apr 28, 2016 12:44 AM
#39
You're not even close to being too critical. So long as your mean score is over 5/10 then you're doing just fine, assuming you use the conventional 1-10 rating. You could have a mean score of 5.02 and that would be fine because there's nothing wrong with a 5/10 score - although you'd be incredible close to the border at that point. Buit I see nothing wrong with putting thought into your ratings rather than just throwing out high scores left, right and centre. This way, people can take recommendations from you a little more seriously because you don't think everything is great. That's about the only actual benefit to it though - everything else is simply a matter of opinion. |
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Apr 28, 2016 1:05 AM
#40
If your mean score is below 5.... Really. |
Apr 28, 2016 1:11 AM
#41
It depends why, though. Things like shorts and hentai can lower mean scores without needing the user to be any more critical. My mean is actually slowly rising back up to 5.0 as I'm watching far fewer shorts now and am rating most of the anime I've seen recently higher scores (they deserve them, though). On average it's been taking about 2 anime for an increase of 0.01 so I should be at 5.0 by around 535 completed anime. |
Apr 28, 2016 1:14 AM
#42
Generally while I do score the anime I watch after it's completed an average of 8. For me.... I guess I don't really know how to score them properly since most of the anime I watch has a score of between 8 - 10. |
Apr 28, 2016 1:22 AM
#43
No you're not I'm not even a critical and Is really hard to find a decent anime The majority of anime suck anyway |
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Apr 28, 2016 1:24 AM
#44
I've said it before, but not everyone uses a cohesive rating system. Some people just say at the end of a show or comic "wow that was really fun and I enjoyed it I think it earned a high score!!" I'm a terribly critical person, but I put no effort into my number ratings, my ratings just reflect whether or not the anime was a waste of my time or not. If I hated it, it gets less than a five. If I liked it, it gets more than a five. If it was great it gets 8-10 and if it was absolutely epic it gets a 10. I really just don't care at all about the number ratings, the scale is so small that all I can do with it is say "did I come out of this thinking the studio/author did their job or not?" "was it an enjoyable or at least a successful and well made work?" cool you get a good number. Did I not like a bunch of things and just get through it really irritated? Low number. Did I LOVE it? High number! If I were to do an objective and critical rating system for everything I'd ever seen (and the reason I didn't do that is because I came into MAL late into the game when I'd already read and watched TONS of things and my list STILL isn't current) I'd have to do a lot of thinking and I'd rather not waste the time. If I did, as a super critical person, rather than the "did I enjoy this or not" the scores would be much much lower than because even with things I love I can tear it apart for flaws so yeah. That said, I would still have a bias to a higher average because I don't really watch or add much in the way of shows or manga I don't like, if I don't like it I tend to not watch it so its not on my list, so you won't see a lifetime of scores below a 5 because if I don't like something I'm not going to waste my time on it. Especially since much of my list is from many many years of watching/reading before having joined, I don't remember every show/manga I checked out one chapter or episode of and then dropped and I'm not going to bother adding those, and I don't usually truck through to the end. Many of my low ratings are for long series that got really bad, movies, bad adaptations, or series friends made me watch. |
Apr 28, 2016 1:43 AM
#45
I'm pretty critical but I don't blow shit out of proportion. No way would I be someone who says a show is trash because most shows have at least one good point to them. Even ultra generic shows like Fairy Tail still have many strong points. I don't forget the whole point at hand when dealing with entertainment: Were you entertained? People can bitch about shows like Sword Art Online but they sure are enjoyable, simple fun and very entertaining. I can be very critical on negatives, but I do enjoy giving praise when a show does something half decent. Also I disagree with numerical ratings. If I had a choice I'd do a 4 Star rating system. 1 Star - Skip (Probably not worth your time) 2 Star - Not bad if interested (might not be your thing) 3 Star - Pretty good (Good chance you'll get a kick out of it) 4 Star - Awesome! (Hard to go wrong here) And for certain series I'd go a 5th Star as well, but that would only go for a series that deserves to go down into a hall of fame if there ever was but still not a guaranteed "You'll Love it!". Shows like Ghost in the Shell, Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop. Just to separate the legends from the group. |
Apr 28, 2016 1:53 AM
#46
Kazzooey said: If I had a choice I'd do a 4 Star rating system. 1 Star - Skip (Probably not worth your time) 2 Star - Not bad if interested (might not be your thing) 3 Star - Pretty good (Good chance you'll get a kick out of it) 4 Star - Awesome! (Hard to go wrong here) And for certain series I'd go a 5th Star as well, but A four star rating system, but with 5 stars? It almost sounds like you don't even like your own idea. Don't try to dumb things down for others just because you don't like something. If you want to use your own special 4 star system then rate everything either 3,5,7 or 9/10 and save 10/10 for your '5th' star. Leave us that actually like the 10 point rating system out of it. |
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Apr 28, 2016 2:25 AM
#47
Looking at your list it's not that shocking to me. Not that those animes aren't good.. Just not HOLY SH THIS IS GREAAT!! Try watching clannad/clannad after story.. I think that'd be your first 10 :) |
Apr 28, 2016 2:36 AM
#48
Well all that matters is if you enjoy an anime you watch. If you do the score is irrelevant. I for example rate with 8+ w/e I enjoyed. With 7- what I liked but didn't get amazed at. It's just how you see things. |
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Apr 28, 2016 2:52 AM
#49
Caelidesu said: Kazzooey said: If I had a choice I'd do a 4 Star rating system. 1 Star - Skip (Probably not worth your time) 2 Star - Not bad if interested (might not be your thing) 3 Star - Pretty good (Good chance you'll get a kick out of it) 4 Star - Awesome! (Hard to go wrong here) And for certain series I'd go a 5th Star as well, but A four star rating system, but with 5 stars? It almost sounds like you don't even like your own idea. Don't try to dumb things down for others just because you don't like something. If you want to use your own special 4 star system then rate everything either 3,5,7 or 9/10 and save 10/10 for your '5th' star. Leave us that actually like the 10 point rating system out of it. ??? You're acting as if I'm trying to revolutionize things lol. It was just my own opinion. And yes I mean a 4 star rating system. If I rated something it would be a 3/4 or whatever. The 5/4 would be, as I said, those rare instances that deserve a legendary status of sorts and still gets the same 4/4 treatment as it's still a hit or miss for some people. Not like I was gonna put a 4 with an asterisk or some shit. If you don't like it I don't quite care, but given if I ever did reviews on Youtube or something that's what I'd go for. Not a big fan of these over particulate scoring systems of x/10, x/100, x/1000. Sounds like you're involving math to 100% subjective opinion to give some sort of logical reinforcement towards an art piece. Hell even Arkada(not a big fan of his reviews though) moved away from numerical ratings and into a simple hard-to-argue scoring system. I absolutely love Demolition+ 's way of reviewing as well. A simple "Should You Watch: Yes/No". Fantastic system imo. The simpler the better. Sorry but I feel like math is a dumb thing to depend on for measuring enjoyment. That's why I believe you should keep scoring at a 5 or below. Feels and works better imo |
Apr 28, 2016 3:19 AM
#50
Kazzooey said: Not a big fan of these over particulate scoring systems of x/10, x/100, x/1000. Obviously rating things out of 1000 is stupid. There's no way to choose a number that accurately reflects how you feel about it. Rating things out of 100 is pretentious, but on the plus side it provides a way of giving an order to the things you like the most. But rating things out of 10 gives lots of room for variance while still being accurate. Even movie critics who use the 5 star system STILL give half-stars to things. It's not at all hard to pick between giving a 6 or a 7/10 to something in the same way that it iss hard to pick between giving a 86/100 or an 87/100 to something. Kazzooey said: Hell even Arkada(not a big fan of his reviews though) moved away from numerical ratings and into a simple hard-to-argue scoring system. He was using a 1000 point system, not a 10 point one. They're orders of magnitude apart. Glad to hear he stopped being such a wanker though. Kazzooey said: I absolutely love Demolition+ 's way of reviewing as well. A simple "Should You Watch: Yes/No". Fantastic system imo. The simpler the better. Those reviews aren't giving you his opinion of a show. They're at the viewer-end. That's a completely different type of review. Demo still uses out of 10 to rate things on MAL himself. You're comparing apples and oranges. Kazzooey said: Sorry but I feel like math is a dumb thing to depend on for measuring enjoyment. That's why I believe you should keep scoring at a 5 or below. I just told you how you can use your own 4-point rating system within the rules of MAL. I know how I feel about a series well enough to give a score out of 10 to it and so do plenty of other people. If you want to reduce your system down to 'good'/'not good', then that's your prerogative, but know that most users on MAL (and most movie critics too, for that matter) love rating things out of 10. 10 is a good balance between simple and specific. |
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