Why did Jesus identify as a god?

Masked_Mantis said:
Jesus was simply non-binary.

Bobby2Hands said:

I am the way, the truth and the life...and sometimes a woman.

yoskees said:
Jesus never called Himself God. Others did and He never denied. However, He is the "Son of Man" who was the prophesied Messiah. He basically was God in the flesh. God as a physical Human, so He was His own character, yet one with God above.

Imeon said:
Jesus is a "special" coz he was a virgin birth

Salvatia said:


more like mary cheated and joseph then later claimed was visited by angel as excuse for pregnancy

Masked_Mantis said:
Why did Jesus identify as god when he was clearly a human?

When Jesus was praying to god, god can't be in two places at once. You're either human or god, god can't be human because humans aren't perfect. Jesus was simply non-binary.

Mendelssohn said:
Which biblical Jesus? We have to remember that the "biblical Jesus" refers to numerous different accounts from various sources (authors) from different time periods.

OP: The concept of the "Trinity" in Christianity was actually explicitly (passages that clearly define it, not vague passages that scholars use as support for it) added into the canon hundreds of years after the earliest doctrines of Christianity were proposed. So when discussing the Holy Trinity, though an important Christian doctrine, you should probably refrain from attributing it to "what Jesus claimed."

Interrrrrpetgyu said:
Jesus doesn't ring a bell. What anime was he in?

ZECHS96 said:
why do cult leaders today say there god?

attention or mental illness

what makes jesus an exception from that.

Skeleturtle said:


What specific passages were "added in hundreds of years after?" And if we have to cherry pick what we do have, that doesn't speak well about the rest of scripture. If the Gospels (I guess everything written after these books would be moot too) can't be trusted, there is nothing else to go on aside from some small hints about Jesus' coming in the Old Testament. Why have Christianity? No, the Trinity isn't explicitly mentioned by name. But the concept certainly seems to be present. Why would Paul call Jesus his Lord and Jesus not be divine in some nature? That would be blasphemous given the religion he was practicing.

And if we have to cherry pick what we do have, that doesn't speak well about the rest of scripture.

Sukeroku said:


For those stating their irrelevant opinions, I'm sure there is another thread to discuss that elsewhere.

ZECHS96 said:
why do cult leaders today say there god?

attention or mental illness

what makes jesus an exception from that.

Masked_Mantis said:
Why did Jesus identify as god when he was clearly a human?

When Jesus was praying to god, god can't be in two places at once. You're either human or god, god can't be human because humans aren't perfect. Jesus was simply non-binary.

Mendelssohn said:


You would think that the bible being a compilation of scriptures written by different authors in different time periods all of which had no actual eye-witness of Jesus himself would make it almost completely impossible to believe in it, but hey...Christians find it convincing.

While I consider all biblical claims to be dubious, the Holy Trinity is even more dubious considering the circumstances of its additions, time period, and the fact that there's no consensus among biblical scholars. In fact from what I've learnt (forgive me, i've only taken two courses in theology) is that there are far more arguments against then for it.

RedRoseFring said:


Actually, John the Revelator, the author of both the Book of John and Revelations was a disciple of Christ.
Apart from that, it is also clear that the traditions passed on from the original disciples were recorded well within the times of their martrydoms (for authenticity sake anyway), which is around A.D 60 - 70.

RedRoseFring said:


A little something called "the Resurrection." It's one thing to claim to be God, it's another thing to offer proof of that caliber.

OT: It could very well be because he is God.

Of course, He didn't like to delve into explicits, but He did make very bold statements that got the religious folk riled up. What he did claim for sure is that he was the Christ (Messiah).

"Before Abraham, I Am" (I Am is one of the names of God in the Bible.)

"Destroy this temple, and I will raise it up in 3 days!"

Mendelssohn said:

The author is actually anonymous. Some Church traditions ascribe the authorship to John the Disciple, and Biblical Scholars reject it. Either way, the author remains anonymous.

Although biblical stories are fascinating, I have no interest in understanding why Christians believe in the shit they do. Doesn't interest me. Muslims are far more interesting.

Mendelssohn said:


The author is actually anonymous. Some Church traditions ascribe the authorship to John the Disciple, and Biblical Scholars reject it. Either way, the author remains anonymous.

Although biblical stories are fascinating, I have no interest in understanding why Christians believe in the shit they do. Doesn't interest me. Muslims are far more interesting.

ZECHS96 said:

Much like how you can't use a word to define that same word, you can't use a holy book as irrefutable proof of a religion being correct.

I said what I said operating on the acumption that Christ was either mentally ill or he was a sociopath and minupulated his audience into thinking he was their Messiah. If Christ was a real person at all,
when the bible also maintains the existence of unicorns (psalm 92:10) and gives advice on how to beat you slave ( Exodus 21:20), and other strange and outdated things, I have know idea why Christianity has lasted this long.

Salvatia said:

more like mary cheated and joseph then later claimed was visited by angel as excuse for pregnancy

Jelmazmo said:


What do you find interesting about the Qu'ran/Islam if I may ask?

RedRoseFring said:

Personally, I find Islam to be less interesting considering the Quran has a single authorship and is pretty easy to dissect in line with Muhammad's motivations.
Also, didn't you say you took 2 courses in Theology? Even though it doesn't interest you? Were they mandatory or something?

Mendelssohn said:


It's not the Quran I find interesting, its the Muslims I care about. Despite being completely dubious, the bible can be summarized as "hippy bullshit." At least most of it is nice. . . ha ha ha

But holy shit, Muslims? What fascinates me so much about them is the astounding shit they come up with to rationalize with their faith. My favorites are of course the "scientific miracles" of the Quran:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWB-_bD9YWQ

Another interesting thing about it is directed towards "moderates." A lot of Mohammed's (praise be to his name!) military campaigns, assassinations, and beheadings etc were documented by contemporary Muslim sources annnnnnnnd yet, it's a religious of peace. How they arrive at these conclusions amazes me. The Muslim world is fascinating, stupid, but endlessly fascinating.

Mendelssohn said:


Christians don't interest me, their culture (Western Christianity) does. Biblical stories are fascinating, the theological arguments are fun, and let's not forget about the religious music!

I took them because I wanted to. That's what university is for: learn, learn, and learn! Even about the stuff you don't really care about. :)

Mendelssohn said:


Christians don't interest me, their culture (Western Christianity) does. Biblical stories are fascinating, the theological arguments are fun, and let's not forget about the religious music!

I took them because I wanted to. That's what university is for: learn, learn, and learn! Even about the stuff you don't really care about. :)

Jelmazmo said:


(May I ask if you are you Muslim? Is that way you praise his name after saying it?)

But doesn't the Qu'ran kind of fit into that interest though? Either way, I understand what you mean now.

And from what I gather, they can justify it by quoting that the Qu'ran is split in two: a peaceful time and a violent time. They of course twist facts either by ignorance or on purpose by stating the peaceful section comes later, but in reality the violent part is after (e.i the later part omits the earlier part). This is the largest justification I have seen thus far "it was war", but they also don't mention that the war started because Muhammad wanted to conquer every single soul on the planet and forcefully convert them or take them as slaves.

Hey...maybe you should start a thread about it. We could maybe see some great discussion about it. I would certainly be interested in reading it. :)



+1

It is why I took up learning about other religions. Knowledge is never a bad thing.

Mendelssohn said:

No I'm an atheist, I only praise Mo and Allah because I enjoy it. (Not being sarcastic). Muslims are...just weird man. I mean the Quran itself (from what I've tried to understand) is just a bunch of horseshit to be honest, how an entire region subscribes to this faith is beyond me. That is the real mystery, fuck particle physics.

Everything you said is what makes it fun. I may be studying physics, but I'm pretty damn sure I'll become a satirist in the near future. There is just no bloody way I can accept this "Islamic faith is exempt from criticism" narrative being shoved down our throats here in the Western world. Fuck that.

Mendelssohn said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

The first explicit references to the holy trinity happened during the 4th century. Authenticity of the passage can further be argued against considering its completely absent from early scriptures.

RedRoseFring said:

That little tidbit you mention at the start is also interestingly one of the biggest reasons why many do believe it. A conglomeration of authors over extended time periods with messages and prophecies that find their fulfillment 100s of years after the fact (in some cases). Truly fascinating stuff.

Jelmazmo said:


Huh...that's new! l have never seen an atheist that dislikes the faith praise him. You think it is horseshit from what you have read? You should read the entire thing. It says some really twisted stuff in it. I know the other Abrahamic religions have their crazy stuff in it but the Qu'ran...it is beyond crazy.

It condones sexual acts on children and babies, slaves and that if a wife refuses you, beat her back with a whip until she submits. If she refuses still, force her to sleep in the "living room". It also says that when you go to hell your skin blackens like the "black men", whom it also states is the Muslims' best slave (paraphrasing). It claims to be connected to Christianity/the other faiths but it screws up in mentioning several large aspects of the other faiths, like mixing Mary up (claiming she was 1,500 years old when she gave birth to Jesus lol) and a lot of other stuff.

Now put the ahadith into the mix and your head will spin. lol

Nor will I. No one has ever successfully shut me up about Islam to this day. It is not a religion of peace and it will receive criticism for what it teaches its people. SJWs and the like be damned.

(start that thread and I'll jump in instantly if you want. :P )

Skeleturtle said:

The Rose answered it.

And weren't both Matthew and John eyewitnesses to at least some of the events surrounding Jesus?

Mendelssohn said:

I'm not particularly concerned with SJWs, I'm concerned with politicians that not only accept it but also enable this sort of behavior. The idea that religious beliefs are somehow "purer" than other ideologies and should thus be automatically respected isn't new, but we still make fun of it! With Islam it's a different case. In liberal ideology (to paraphrase Bill Maher, even though I'm not a fan) it is the utmost importance that we criticize intolerant beliefs but somehow, Islam is exempt from this?

But that's not truly worrying. It's the international outrage within and outside the Western world we get from criticizing Islam. Have you read about the Danish Jyllands cartoon crisis? Danish Muslims actually being a part of protests, some of them violent, because of cartoons! CARTOONS! And this is in Europe? I think that our willingness to accept this kind of behavior from ALL sides is what's fucking worrying.

Jelmazmo said:


The SJW people also think Islam is off limits and want to enforce it everywhere they can. And while I also do not like Bill or agree with most of what he says, I can agree on that. You know people actually call him a "racist" when he criticizes Islam? It is ridiculous! If a religion is telling you to rape a child or your wife, or that they mean less than a donkey, it needs to be discussed, especially when it is being praised as a "religion of peace".

I have no heard about it, actually. I'll google it now but it doesn't surprise me at all. They do it all the time. South Park tried it twice, each time they were threatened with bloody death. The one time they were about to do it, the channel censored it yet allowed them to depict Jesus and other religious figures however they pleased.

I do find it worrying that we hide it or accept, because sooner or later that part we are hiding or accepting is going to cross the sea and bite us on the ass in the worst way possible...