Do you guys think that hollywood is really white washing, or do you not care and think that a white person casted onto an ADAPTATION is whatever?
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Scarlett Johansson getting the roll of Motoko Kusunagi.
Apr 26, 2016 8:34 AM
#51
I actually doubt if most of the ones complaining have even seen the movie. Most of them seem to be talking without knowing what they're talking about anyway. |
Apr 26, 2016 8:41 AM
#52
Exhalant said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: Even though asian actors isn't a majority, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And it shouldn't matter because this is America and Hollywood isn't wrong for wanting AMERICAN actors in a majority of their films. There's a reason why women as minority is treated as a serious problem, why black people as a minority is treated as a serious problem. Asians are a minority as far as job opportunities are concerned, and let's not even get into Asian racism, because that would just open a whole 'nother can of worms. With Trump motivating people to kick Mexicans and Muslims out of America, god knows where the job opportunities for Asians would go next. It seems you haven't realized that despite of its diversity, America is one of the most racist countries you'll come across. But we're not xenophobes (clearly). If they want jobs, shouldn't they go star in Japanese films? Doesn't that make more sense... They'll definitely be more popular in their country than over seas. Japan doesn't cast white actors either, so... That's like saying foreigners should move out of the country to get better jobs elsewhere. Not everyone can just pack up and leave for another country, not to mention that that isn't the point. Why should the minority be bullied into leaving by goddamn racist fucks?! Stick it to the big man, people! Also, two wrongs don't make one right, so Japan can blow up Pearl Harbor for all I care - that doesn't put America in the right! Japan already fucked up Pearl Harbor... in 1941. What I'm saying is that this whole topic doesn't matter. Hollywood makes movies to cater to the audience and the audience would prefer a sexy, talented and well known American actress in their movie than an unknown Japanese one. If Asians want to star in Hollywood films so badly, they should at least make a name for themselves in the US. Some people are more famous than others, that's how it works. I'm not saying that anyone is wrong. What I have a problem with is the hypocrisy of it all, how everyone's making a big fucking fuzz whenever black actors get whitewashed, but all of the sudden Dr. Strange gets the fucking Narnia White Bitch in an Asian role and we're all cool with that. Fear of stereotypes my ass. Why didn't you fear the stereotype when you did films about black slavery? I couldn't count the number of times black people have been stereotyped in movies and were okay with it. The stereotype's part of our proud culture, you moron! Distorting that culture using "stereotyping" as an excuse is just as insulting! I'M ANGRY, BECAUSE I AM ASIAN, AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE. |
OminousWrexApr 26, 2016 8:53 AM
Apr 26, 2016 10:48 AM
#53
this is one step above yellow face oh wait accorid to waht iv seen there is that too |
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
Apr 26, 2016 10:50 AM
#54
Seidou_Takizawa said: SolitudeHermit said: Seidou_Takizawa said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: Even though asian actors isn't a majority, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And it shouldn't matter because this is America and Hollywood isn't wrong for wanting AMERICAN actors in a majority of their films. There's a reason why women as minority is treated as a serious problem, why black people as a minority is treated as a serious problem. Asians are a minority as far as job opportunities are concerned, and let's not even get into Asian racism, because that would just open a whole 'nother can of worms. With Trump motivating people to kick Mexicans and Muslims out of America, god knows where the job opportunities for Asians would go next. It seems you haven't realized that despite of its diversity, America is one of the most racist countries you'll come across. But we're not xenophobes (clearly). If they want jobs, shouldn't they go star in Japanese films? Doesn't that make more sense... They'll definitely be more popular in their country than over seas. Japan doesn't cast white actors either, so... That's like saying foreigners should move out of the country to get better jobs elsewhere. Not everyone can just pack up and leave for another country, not to mention that that isn't the point. Why should the minority be bullied into leaving by goddamn racist fucks?! Stick it to the big man, people! Also, two wrongs don't make one right, so Japan can blow up Pearl Harbor for all I care - that doesn't put America in the right! Japan already fucked up Pearl Harbor... in 1941. What I'm saying is that this whole topic doesn't matter. Hollywood makes movies to cater to the audience and the audience would prefer a sexy, talented and well known American actress in their movie than an unknown Japanese one. If Asians want to star in Hollywood films so badly, they should at least make a name for themselves in the US. Some people are more famous than others, that's how it works. I'm not saying that anyone is wrong. What I have a problem with is the hypocrisy of it all, how everyone's making a big fucking fuzz whenever black actors get whitewashed, but all of the sudden Dr. Strange gets the fucking Narnia White Bitch in an Asian role and we're all cool with that. Fear of stereotypes my ass. Why didn't you fear the stereotype when you did films about black slavery? I couldn't count the number of times black people have been stereotyped in movies and were okay with it. The stereotype's part of our proud culture, you moron! Distorting that culture using "stereotyping" as an excuse is just as insulting! I'M ANGRY, BECAUSE I AM ASIAN, AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE. wow you sure are a salty person ^^ You know why people didn't complain about Dr.Strange? Because people don't care about something like race as long as the person can act. The people that make a big "fuzz" about it are simply complaining for the sake of complaining, you sure look like one of them right now :D Or you gonna say that Hollywood should only pick actors base only on their race? Sounds like a pretty racist thing to do if you ask me ;) No one mentioned "stereotypes" and i dont see how that is relevant to this topic, why dont you watch this movie when it comes out and then complain all you want? ;D And by the way, having a chinese person playing the Major would be fine by you even tho she is japanese? XD Wow, you're some kind of asshole. You missed my whole point about job opportunities just to come down and call me salty. Why don't you find a freshwater lake to jump in? Save you from the saltiness. :) Fucking retard. And don't bother replying, because the next retarded thing that comes out of your head, I'm probably going to ignore it anyway. Sorry i prefer the salty ocean you are making with your tear :) fuck AND your white supremacist Bullshit |
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
Apr 26, 2016 10:54 AM
#55
DateYutaka said: my big issues is lack f creatoes rights in the us in Japan a manga ka sits in on the prodution of a movie base in there work an decise who gets cast unlike in the us hence why over all i not huge fan o us comic moives cuase 99% of the time actors do not fit the charscters from the page cuase creator invoicemnet in not there why did the stuido not get the manga ka invioved in casting for the fucking movie The people making the US adaptation probably don't even know the original movie is an adaptation in itself. But you're right, even if I think Scarlett Johansson is the best choice they could have asked Masamune Shirow's opinion. |
Apr 26, 2016 10:57 AM
#56
holysauron said: DateYutaka said: my big issues is lack f creatoes rights in the us in Japan a manga ka sits in on the prodution of a movie base in there work an decise who gets cast unlike in the us hence why over all i not huge fan o us comic moives cuase 99% of the time actors do not fit the charscters from the page cuase creator invoicemnet in not there why did the stuido not get the manga ka invioved in casting for the fucking movie The people making the US adaptation probably don't even know the original movie is an adaptation in itself. But you're right, even if I think Scarlett Johansson is the best choice they could have asked Masamune Shirow's opinion. my view is the hollywood verion is invalid cuse of this it nota ture adaptation |
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
Apr 26, 2016 11:11 AM
#57
I don't really care because anime people are raceless even if they have Japanese names. I am more concerned with Hollywood's jew washing. There are too many jews (Johansson is jewish just looks white btw) in Hollywood playing white people. It's awful. Here's another perspective. |
FahtahSenseiApr 26, 2016 1:47 PM
Apr 26, 2016 12:22 PM
#58
Seidou_Takizawa said: SolitudeHermit said: Seidou_Takizawa said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: Even though asian actors isn't a majority, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And it shouldn't matter because this is America and Hollywood isn't wrong for wanting AMERICAN actors in a majority of their films. There's a reason why women as minority is treated as a serious problem, why black people as a minority is treated as a serious problem. Asians are a minority as far as job opportunities are concerned, and let's not even get into Asian racism, because that would just open a whole 'nother can of worms. With Trump motivating people to kick Mexicans and Muslims out of America, god knows where the job opportunities for Asians would go next. It seems you haven't realized that despite of its diversity, America is one of the most racist countries you'll come across. But we're not xenophobes (clearly). If they want jobs, shouldn't they go star in Japanese films? Doesn't that make more sense... They'll definitely be more popular in their country than over seas. Japan doesn't cast white actors either, so... That's like saying foreigners should move out of the country to get better jobs elsewhere. Not everyone can just pack up and leave for another country, not to mention that that isn't the point. Why should the minority be bullied into leaving by goddamn racist fucks?! Stick it to the big man, people! Also, two wrongs don't make one right, so Japan can blow up Pearl Harbor for all I care - that doesn't put America in the right! Japan already fucked up Pearl Harbor... in 1941. What I'm saying is that this whole topic doesn't matter. Hollywood makes movies to cater to the audience and the audience would prefer a sexy, talented and well known American actress in their movie than an unknown Japanese one. If Asians want to star in Hollywood films so badly, they should at least make a name for themselves in the US. Some people are more famous than others, that's how it works. I'm not saying that anyone is wrong. What I have a problem with is the hypocrisy of it all, how everyone's making a big fucking fuzz whenever black actors get whitewashed, but all of the sudden Dr. Strange gets the fucking Narnia White Bitch in an Asian role and we're all cool with that. Fear of stereotypes my ass. Why didn't you fear the stereotype when you did films about black slavery? I couldn't count the number of times black people have been stereotyped in movies and were okay with it. The stereotype's part of our proud culture, you moron! Distorting that culture using "stereotyping" as an excuse is just as insulting! I'M ANGRY, BECAUSE I AM ASIAN, AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE. wow you sure are a salty person ^^ You know why people didn't complain about Dr.Strange? Because people don't care about something like race as long as the person can act. The people that make a big "fuzz" about it are simply complaining for the sake of complaining, you sure look like one of them right now :D Or you gonna say that Hollywood should only pick actors base only on their race? Sounds like a pretty racist thing to do if you ask me ;) No one mentioned "stereotypes" and i dont see how that is relevant to this topic, why dont you watch this movie when it comes out and then complain all you want? ;D And by the way, having a chinese person playing the Major would be fine by you even tho she is japanese? XD Wow, you're some kind of asshole. You missed my whole point about job opportunities just to come down and call me salty. Why don't you find a freshwater lake to jump in? Save you from the saltiness. :) Fucking retard. And don't bother replying, because the next retarded thing that comes out of your head, I'm probably going to ignore it anyway. Sorry i prefer the salty ocean you are making with your tear :) Let's take this from the top. First of all, you're an idiot. That's not an insult - not this time - it's an observation. You generalized that all people who make a big fuzz about it are simply doing it for the sake of complaining. That kind of black-and-white reasoning is ignoring the justified positions of many others who desire more diversity in movies. And obviously, more job opportunities for other races is the exact opposite of racism, so it sounds like you either have a few loose screws up there or you're an idiot. ;) Hence my observation. Also, way to make a straw man argument - but you get a free pass on that one, because I've committed the same act after your baiting. Secondly, your over-simplification of the matter at hand again, you retard. It's all well and good that these Americans can 'act', but you're missing the point - casting Americans in a Tibetan setting soaked with Asian culture is rather weird. In fact, it's misinforming and self-congratulatory. I haven't seen the movie of course, but I hold the right to be irked by the sight of a lack of Asians in an Asian setting. It's like seeing a samurai movie filled with American actors - it's a contradiction. Later you'll be telling kids that ninjas originated from New Jersey. What a fucking racist thing to tell your children. Thirdly, the hypocrisy, the main point I was making that you missed. I'm also going to ignore that you're so stupid I'm forced to repeat my point, because I know I have no credibility at this point after following in your straw man fallacy. For the sake of this discussion, I'll just rephrase myself. It's fine if people want more diversity on-screen - I support that - but don't play double standards with me when it's time for the Asians to get their shot. And finally, I mentioned "stereotypes" because I was referring to Marvel's statement of why they refrained from casting Asians in an Asian setting - because we might somehow think that it's stereotyping Asians as monks and holy men. That's bullshit, and it's a piss-poor excuse for excluding Asians from playing Asian people. Like I said, these 'monks and holy men' are part of our culture. There's nothing 'stereotype' about it. It's as much a stereotype as "black people in the hood" are stereotypes; overplay it, yes, it comes off as an offensive stereotype, but excluding it altogether is the same level of insulting. But I can see that this is probably too complex for you to understand, Seidou. Feel free to call me salty again; I'm more than glad to hear your straw man fallacy (not to mention the misuse of the term, "salty") this time. |
OminousWrexApr 26, 2016 12:45 PM
Apr 26, 2016 6:29 PM
#59
FahtahSensei said: they frequently appear onscreen and ending credit, so jew washing always on full throttle..I don't really care because anime people are raceless even if they have Japanese names. I am more concerned with Hollywood's jew washing. There are too many jews (Johansson is jewish just looks white btw) in Hollywood playing white people. It's awful. Here's another perspective. just remind me the moment ago when kylo ren open his mask :v, palestinian ppl here shout hysterically *his face look jew, but, look like he's not |
karambiaApr 26, 2016 7:12 PM
Apr 26, 2016 6:49 PM
#60
Seidou_Takizawa said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: Even though asian actors isn't a majority, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And it shouldn't matter because this is America and Hollywood isn't wrong for wanting AMERICAN actors in a majority of their films. There's a reason why women as minority is treated as a serious problem, why black people as a minority is treated as a serious problem. Asians are a minority as far as job opportunities are concerned, and let's not even get into Asian racism, because that would just open a whole 'nother can of worms. With Trump motivating people to kick Mexicans and Muslims out of America, god knows where the job opportunities for Asians would go next. It seems you haven't realized that despite of its diversity, America is one of the most racist countries you'll come across. But we're not xenophobes (clearly). If they want jobs, shouldn't they go star in Japanese films? Doesn't that make more sense... They'll definitely be more popular in their country than over seas. Japan doesn't cast white actors either, so... That's like saying foreigners should move out of the country to get better jobs elsewhere. Not everyone can just pack up and leave for another country, not to mention that that isn't the point. Why should the minority be bullied into leaving by goddamn racist fucks?! Stick it to the big man, people! Also, two wrongs don't make one right, so Japan can blow up Pearl Harbor for all I care - that doesn't put America in the right! Japan already fucked up Pearl Harbor... in 1941. What I'm saying is that this whole topic doesn't matter. Hollywood makes movies to cater to the audience and the audience would prefer a sexy, talented and well known American actress in their movie than an unknown Japanese one. If Asians want to star in Hollywood films so badly, they should at least make a name for themselves in the US. Some people are more famous than others, that's how it works. I'm not saying that anyone is wrong. What I have a problem with is the hypocrisy of it all, how everyone's making a big fucking fuzz whenever black actors get whitewashed, but all of the sudden Dr. Strange gets the fucking Narnia White Bitch in an Asian role and we're all cool with that. Fear of stereotypes my ass. Why didn't you fear the stereotype when you did films about black slavery? I couldn't count the number of times black people have been stereotyped in movies and were okay with it. The stereotype's part of our proud culture, you moron! Distorting that culture using "stereotyping" as an excuse is just as insulting! I'M ANGRY, BECAUSE I AM ASIAN, AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE. wow you sure are a salty person ^^ You know why people didn't complain about Dr.Strange? Because people don't care about something like race as long as the person can act. The people that make a big "fuzz" about it are simply complaining for the sake of complaining, you sure look like one of them right now :D Or you gonna say that Hollywood should only pick actors base only on their race? Sounds like a pretty racist thing to do if you ask me ;) No one mentioned "stereotypes" and i dont see how that is relevant to this topic, why dont you watch this movie when it comes out and then complain all you want? ;D And by the way, having a chinese person playing the Major would be fine by you even tho she is japanese? XD To be fair, the actually did, a bit. |
Apr 26, 2016 7:49 PM
#61
The Dr. Strange this is apparently legitimate white washing. Or so I heard, I have to go and look up the facts on it tomorrow, but Motoko Kusanagi being played by Scarlett Johansson isn't white washing. CGI to make whities more asian like is definitely white washing but, hiring an actress that isn't the race of the original story isn't white washing. |
Apr 26, 2016 9:07 PM
#62
Niki said: bringing up "yellow washing" as a counter example is ignorant, there are barely any white actors in japan and they don't have the same budget as hollywood movies to get foreigners in. Then would you kindly explain how the hell did South Korea and China were able to get Hollywood actors/actresses in their film when Japan can't. I mean South Korea was able to get Chris Evans, Tilda Swinton, and Ed Harris for Snowpiercer. The same can be said about South Korea getting Liam Neeson for the upcoming Korean film talking about the landing of Incheon. China was able to get Adrien Brody, and John Cusack for one of their film. If China and South Korea was able to get Hollywood actors/actresses in their film. Then it should've been possible for Japan to get Hollywood actors for the live-action Attack on Titans. It means Japan should've gotten Logan Lerman to played Eren, not Haruma Miura. That's "yellow-washing" in my opinion, and I didn't see China or South Korea doing this yet Japan can't get Hollywood actors for the live-action Attack on Titan. |
Apr 26, 2016 10:22 PM
#63
mdo7 said: tbh, AoT's case is over-Rant by the fan by look how humiliate the movies(both part) are. it could be no issue if the movie did well.Niki said: bringing up "yellow washing" as a counter example is ignorant, there are barely any white actors in japan and they don't have the same budget as hollywood movies to get foreigners in. Then would you kindly explain how the hell did South Korea and China were able to get Hollywood actors/actresses in their film when Japan can't. I mean South Korea was able to get Chris Evans, Tilda Swinton, and Ed Harris for Snowpiercer. The same can be said about South Korea getting Liam Neeson for the upcoming Korean film talking about the landing of Incheon. China was able to get Adrien Brody, and John Cusack for one of their film. If China and South Korea was able to get Hollywood actors/actresses in their film. Then it should've been possible for Japan to get Hollywood actors for the live-action Attack on Titans. It means Japan should've gotten Logan Lerman to played Eren, not Haruma Miura. That's "yellow-washing" in my opinion, and I didn't see China or South Korea doing this yet Japan can't get Hollywood actors for the live-action Attack on Titan. idk what i'm talkin' about and why did i give two cent about it, but the concern(talk AoT LA) more for the decision of SFX+story/script itself, in other word it were bad bad movies....... but then it more gettin' riDICKulous by blaming the race, when they can see with their own eyes, that's not affordable(and necessary) for japan industry itself , talk their wallet and awkward working system *and the man behind it, because at least in the past nagisa oshima could afford david bowie i mean it's like u want to blame this Kang Ji Young for playin' irina jelavic in Assasination Classroom LA(yeah another shitty movie), where d fack those japanese will get a real blonde chick with fluent japanese that's , at least, fit the "image" |
karambiaApr 26, 2016 11:30 PM
Apr 27, 2016 7:35 AM
#64
semss said: tbh, AoT's case is over-Rant by the fan by look how humiliate the movies(both part) are. it could be no issue if the movie did well. idk what i'm talkin' about and why did i give two cent about it, but the concern(talk AoT LA) more for the decision of SFX+story/script itself, in other word it were bad bad movies....... but then it more gettin' riDICKulous by blaming the race, when they can see with their own eyes, that's not affordable(and necessary) for japan industry itself , talk their wallet and awkward working system *and the man behind it, because at least in the past nagisa oshima could afford david bowie Well still it doesn't really surprise me. I think I can blame this on their movie industry being way low-budgeted, and can't really compete with their Korean and Mainland Chinese counterpart as said by an article from Rocketnews24 (I believe we've talked about this on another MAL topic). But to be honest, it still no excuse for Japan to practice whitewashing or "yellow-washing" non-Asian characters. As I said, if South Korea and Mainland China were able to afford and get Hollywood actors/actresses in their film, then Japan should've been able to do the same (or at least put some effort into getting Hollywood stars to be in Japanese films). So @Niki calling Japan's "yellow-washing" justified is unacceptable. semss said: i mean it's like u want to blame this Kang Ji Young for playin' irina jelavic in Assasination Classroom LA(yeah another shitty movie), where d fack those japanese will get a real blonde chick with fluent japanese that's , at least, fit the "image" If NHK was able to get a white American actress as a leading actress for this Asadora drama, Massan. Hell I even remember one of Ultraman show, Ultraman Max having a white actor as a team supporting character. If Ultraman Max and Massan were able to get non-Asian actors playing in leading and supporting character. Then it should've been possible to get a fluent Japanese speaking non-Asian actresses as Irina for the Japanese live-action adaptation of Assassination Classroom. You know what I bet you if Assassination Classroom had been a Korean production, I bet you the South Korean producers would've gotten a Russian (or Eastern European) actress who speak fluent Korean as Irina. I notice for the last few years, K-dramas started to have non-Korean and non-Asian actors/actresses in supporting character role, and that's a big achievement compared to what Japan has been doing. |
Apr 27, 2016 10:08 AM
#65
Exhalant said: Avatar the Last Airbender was made by M. Night Shmaylans (or w/e) so it was bound to be terrible regardless. It was never confirmed that the Avatar cast as even Asian? If anything, the cast should have been filled with white people because the cartoon was voice acted by white people. I mean, the general audience didn't view the Avatar cast as a Japanese race. I didn't find any problems with the movie in regards to race. Not to go off topic, but Avatar: the last airbender was heavily influenced by East Asian culture. So yes, the characters in the live-action film was supposed to be played by Asian-Americans. But to be honest, I don't think we'll see a sequel or a reboot to M. Night's abomination. After seeing a trailer from the upcoming Chinese drama, Ice Fantasy which reminds me a lot like Avatar: After seeing that trailer and read the synopsis of Ice Fantasy looking similar to Avatar: the last airbender. I thought about having Avatar: the last airbender should be adapted as a "Asian-style" TV drama after seeing Ice Fantasy, and the Walking Dead Producers doing a K-drama: IGN article Variety article So I want to see a live-action Avatar: the last Airbender, but not as a Hollywood films, but as a fusion of Chinese wuxia drama and the appeal/feel of Korean period drama that can target the international audiences and make fans of Avatar: the last airbender happy. That's how I envision Avatar: the last airbender live-action. |
Apr 27, 2016 10:44 AM
#66
As far as Ghost in the Shell is concerned, I do not give a fuck for the very simple reason that the movie is gonna suck one way or another. Nobody fucking asked them to make a live-action adaptation of GitS. Every fan (read: me) wants SAC 3rd GIG, but a live-action adaptation? When has that ever worked? For like any Anime? (there probably are 1 or 2 examples out of 200) As for the general "problem" it depends. Some characters work either way. Like I thought Tom Cruise worked well in Edge of Tomorrow (coincidentally one of said few decent adaptations), but I haven't read the light novel. It's also true the other way around. When they cast a black guy as a storm trooper I did not understand the hate. Same when they cast a black woman as Hermione Granger in that HP play. It doesn't matter at all for the character, so whatever. On the other hand Idris Elba as Roland and Wally West as a black guy...Weird...Screws with story points (for Roland). I don't notice white washing that much, but I'm not paying attention unless there is a big outcry. People have too much time, but suum cuique. |
Apr 27, 2016 7:11 PM
#67
mdo7 said: semss said: tbh, AoT's case is over-Rant by the fan by look how humiliate the movies(both part) are. it could be no issue if the movie did well. idk what i'm talkin' about and why did i give two cent about it, but the concern(talk AoT LA) more for the decision of SFX+story/script itself, in other word it were bad bad movies....... but then it more gettin' riDICKulous by blaming the race, when they can see with their own eyes, that's not affordable(and necessary) for japan industry itself , talk their wallet and awkward working system *and the man behind it, because at least in the past nagisa oshima could afford david bowie Well still it doesn't really surprise me. I think I can blame this on their movie industry being way low-budgeted, and can't really compete with their Korean and Mainland Chinese counterpart as said by an article from Rocketnews24 (I believe we've talked about this on another MAL topic). But to be honest, it still no excuse for Japan to practice whitewashing or "yellow-washing" non-Asian characters. As I said, if South Korea and Mainland China were able to afford and get Hollywood actors/actresses in their film, then Japan should've been able to do the same (or at least put some effort into getting Hollywood stars to be in Japanese films). So @Niki calling Japan's "yellow-washing" justified is unacceptable. "But to be honest, it still no excuse for Japan to practice whitewashing or "yellow-washing" non-Asian characters." - believe me whatever the term ppl used for that, can't think it as an excuse make me think why u ppl so stubborn about that also i talked about "the man behind it" , hell boon jong ho is a quiet impressive filmaker, who won't want to help for producing his movie?? but those japan also experienced it with oshima's Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence though not A-list hollywood actor and miike's sukiyaki western jango got tarantino in cast, but sinji higuchi and his team ain't that league mdo7 said: somehow u got me with chralotte k fox there :3, never though it could fit, as i nver sense the bitchy-ness of irina jelavic on her but it's prove me wrongIf NHK was able to get a white American actress as a leading actress for this Asadora drama, Massan. Hell I even remember one of Ultraman show, Ultraman Max having a white actor as a team supporting character. If Ultraman Max and Massan were able to get non-Asian actors playing in leading and supporting character. Then it should've been possible to get a fluent Japanese speaking non-Asian actresses as Irina for the Japanese live-action adaptation of Assassination Classroom. i don't say there are not baka-gaijinweaboo available on their "street", like movie judge!! it could get some of NHK's gaijin as cast *and still cast a japan as brazil for comedic purpose but what i mean is, at least fit the image , somehow it could not easy task md07 said: here we go again for ur obsession about korea "superiority" toward japan, are u never get tired repeat it again to me mdo7, even it has nothing to do with the threadYou know what I bet you if Assassination Classroom had been a Korean production, I bet you the South Korean producers would've gotten a Russian (or Eastern European) actress who speak fluent Korean as Irina. I notice for the last few years, K-dramas started to have non-Korean and non-Asian actors/actresses in supporting character role, and that's a big achievement compared to what Japan has been doing. |
karambiaApr 27, 2016 7:41 PM
Apr 27, 2016 7:12 PM
#68
we just had this thread..? Exhalant said: lmaoDateYutaka said: Exhalant said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: Even though asian actors isn't a majority, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And it shouldn't matter because this is America and Hollywood isn't wrong for wanting AMERICAN actors in a majority of their films. There's a reason why women as minority is treated as a serious problem, why black people as a minority is treated as a serious problem. Asians are a minority as far as job opportunities are concerned, and let's not even get into Asian racism, because that would just open a whole 'nother can of worms. With Trump motivating people to kick Mexicans and Muslims out of America, god knows where the job opportunities for Asians would go next. It seems you haven't realized that despite of its diversity, America is one of the most racist countries you'll come across. But we're not xenophobes (clearly). If they want jobs, shouldn't they go star in Japanese films? Doesn't that make more sense... They'll definitely be more popular in their country than over seas. Japan doesn't cast white actors either, so... we have you know very raely but we do and if you talk japanese pop culuate oneof the best know sumo of reactem times ws us by birth akebono taro [ dis this girl eran her role in a Moive based on Japanese franchise] no she did not What the fuck did you just type... lol. ( ._.) |
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Apr 27, 2016 7:30 PM
#69
Malarkey said: ppl just can't get enough for flooding MALwe just had this thread..? Exhalant said: lmaoDateYutaka said: Exhalant said: SolitudeHermit said: Exhalant said: Even though asian actors isn't a majority, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And it shouldn't matter because this is America and Hollywood isn't wrong for wanting AMERICAN actors in a majority of their films. There's a reason why women as minority is treated as a serious problem, why black people as a minority is treated as a serious problem. Asians are a minority as far as job opportunities are concerned, and let's not even get into Asian racism, because that would just open a whole 'nother can of worms. With Trump motivating people to kick Mexicans and Muslims out of America, god knows where the job opportunities for Asians would go next. It seems you haven't realized that despite of its diversity, America is one of the most racist countries you'll come across. But we're not xenophobes (clearly). If they want jobs, shouldn't they go star in Japanese films? Doesn't that make more sense... They'll definitely be more popular in their country than over seas. Japan doesn't cast white actors either, so... we have you know very raely but we do and if you talk japanese pop culuate oneof the best know sumo of reactem times ws us by birth akebono taro [ dis this girl eran her role in a Moive based on Japanese franchise] no she did not What the fuck did you just type... lol. ( ._.) |
Apr 27, 2016 8:50 PM
#70
mdo7 said: So I want to see a live-action Avatar: the last Airbender, but not as a Hollywood films, but as a fusion of Chinese wuxia drama and the appeal/feel of Korean period drama that can target the international audiences and make fans of Avatar: the last airbender happy. That's how I envision Avatar: the last airbender live-action. What a terrible idea. A lot of us find most Asian drama funny and not for the reasons a series might meant to be. Also water benders are inuit, the only actually mostly Asian nation are the fire nation. Asian people tend to be like in America sprinkled through out the nations rather than a whole nation. Like Suki and the acrobat chick looked a lot white. Just because its story and world is designed upon Asian culture doesn't make the world of Avatar Asian in ethnicity. Their goal was to create a rich world but with a multi racial and diverse peoples living in all parts of the world. Its why the peoples of each kingdom looked more cultural melting pot than one race. |
SpooksApr 27, 2016 8:55 PM
Apr 27, 2016 9:03 PM
#71
Spooks said: yeah, m shaymalamelon and co problem is more like misplaced race/ethnicities rather than simply whitewashing, white water bender + nepotism for asian indian fire nationmdo7 said: So I want to see a live-action Avatar: the last Airbender, but not as a Hollywood films, but as a fusion of Chinese wuxia drama and the appeal/feel of Korean period drama that can target the international audiences and make fans of Avatar: the last airbender happy. That's how I envision Avatar: the last airbender live-action. What a terrible idea. A lot of us find most Asian drama funny and not for the reasons a series might meant to be. Also water benders are inuit, the only actually mostly Asian nation are the fire nation. Asian people tend to be like in America sprinkled through out the nations rather than a whole nation. Like Suki and the acrobat chick looked a lot white. Just because its story and world is designed upon Asian culture doesn't make the world of Avatar Asian in ethnicity. Their goal was to create a rich world but with a multi racial and diverse peoples living in all parts of the world. Its why the peoples of each kingdom looked more cultural melting pot than one race. |
Apr 27, 2016 9:30 PM
#72
semss said: md07 said: here we go again for ur obsession about korea "superiority" toward japan, are u never get tired repeat it again to me mdo7, even it has nothing to do with the threadYou know what I bet you if Assassination Classroom had been a Korean production, I bet you the South Korean producers would've gotten a Russian (or Eastern European) actress who speak fluent Korean as Irina. I notice for the last few years, K-dramas started to have non-Korean and non-Asian actors/actresses in supporting character role, and that's a big achievement compared to what Japan has been doing. Actually I could've used Mainland China if I wanted to. Either way, if China or South Korea were to have done a live-action Assassination Classroom I guarantee they would get a Russian or a Eastern European actress rather then not Japan. Sorry I used South Korea, but I have to use another Asian country that never "yellow-wash" a non-Asian character. So this is not promoting South Korea, but I could've used Mainland China as another example if I wanted to. Spooks said: What a terrible idea. A lot of us find most Asian drama funny and not for the reasons a series might meant to be. Also water benders are inuit, the only actually mostly Asian nation are the fire nation. Asian people tend to be like in America sprinkled through out the nations rather than a whole nation. Like Suki and the acrobat chick looked a lot white. Just because its story and world is designed upon Asian culture doesn't make the world of Avatar Asian in ethnicity. Their goal was to create a rich world but with a multi racial and diverse peoples living in all parts of the world. Its why the peoples of each kingdom looked more cultural melting pot than one race. Excuse me, how many TV dramas from South Korea, Mainland China, or Taiwan have you watched? Not all Asian TV dramas are goofy, I take it you never watch a period drama like let say Empress Ki: or Chuno: The slave hunter To be honest, after I saw the trailer for the upcoming Chinese drama, Ice Fantasy and seeing the Walking Dead producers doing a K-drama. That's what made me led to think Avatar: The last Airbender would be formatted better as a TV drama rather then a Hollywood film. I don't see anything wrong with Avatar: the last airbender as a TV drama in the style of wuxia, fantasy, and period drama. That will prevent any Hollywood whitewashing in the future. About Suki, how do you know she's white? Did her bio say so? Because last time I check a lot of Japanese characters in anime looks white/caucasian too. I mean look at Suki pictures: How do you know she's white or Asian? If you say she's white, then by your logic every character in anime that have a Japanese name are by default caucasian and not Asian. About the water bender may be based on Inuit, but there are influences too like the water bender has influences from Aboriginal Australians, Native Americans, and Pacific Islanders. Hell I could argue that they look like Mongolians due to their outfit looking similar: So you see, I have enough evidence for me to believe that Avatar: the last airbender should be adapted into a "Asian-style" TV drama which should be a US-South Korea-Mainland China co-productions. |
Apr 27, 2016 10:25 PM
#73
mdo7 said: u got what u want, china and korea more superior than their japan counterpart, japan is so inferior so u can't excuse them, semss said: md07 said: You know what I bet you if Assassination Classroom had been a Korean production, I bet you the South Korean producers would've gotten a Russian (or Eastern European) actress who speak fluent Korean as Irina. I notice for the last few years, K-dramas started to have non-Korean and non-Asian actors/actresses in supporting character role, and that's a big achievement compared to what Japan has been doing. Actually I could've used Mainland China if I wanted to. Either way, if China or South Korea were to have done a live-action Assassination Classroom I guarantee they would get a Russian or a Eastern European actress rather then not Japan. Sorry I used South Korea, but I have to use another Asian country that never "yellow-wash" a non-Asian character. So this is not promoting South Korea, but I could've used Mainland China as another example if I wanted to. but this remind me when jackie did this city hunter, bcoz, not wash-related stuff but still.... so there's no issue at all when subrace crosspath each other then :( mdo7 said: inuit is still AncientsianAbout the water bender may be based on Inuit, but there are influences too like the water bender has influences from Aboriginal Australians, Native Americans, and Pacific Islanders. Hell I could argue that they look like Mongolians |
Apr 28, 2016 5:17 AM
#74
semss said: FahtahSensei said: they frequently appear onscreen and ending credit, so jew washing always on full throttle..I don't really care because anime people are raceless even if they have Japanese names. I am more concerned with Hollywood's jew washing. There are too many jews (Johansson is jewish just looks white btw) in Hollywood playing white people. It's awful. Here's another perspective. just remind me the moment ago when kylo ren open his mask :v, palestinian ppl here shout hysterically *his face look jew, but, look like he's not That makes it more symbolic cause Harrison Ford is part jewish and he kills him o_O |
Apr 28, 2016 6:20 AM
#75
semss said: u got what u want, china and korea more superior than their japan counterpart, japan is so inferior so u can't excuse them, but this remind me when jackie did this city hunter, bcoz, not wash-related stuff but still.... so there's no issue at all when subrace crosspath each other then :( Well you can't denied that Japan's film industry has problems and issues. But the "yellow-washing" is still a big issue. Also I didn't hear any big issue about Taiwan and South Korea adapting anime/manga into live-action TV drama (ie: Boys over flowers, and Playful Kiss). semss said: mdo7 said: inuit is still AncientsianAbout the water bender may be based on Inuit, but there are influences too like the water bender has influences from Aboriginal Australians, Native Americans, and Pacific Islanders. Hell I could argue that they look like Mongolians Well they still have that Mongolian influences in there when I look at them. |
Apr 28, 2016 9:26 AM
#76
FahtahSensei said: what?? Han solo is jewish.. shame on me but nice symbolic though :vsemss said: FahtahSensei said: I don't really care because anime people are raceless even if they have Japanese names. I am more concerned with Hollywood's jew washing. There are too many jews (Johansson is jewish just looks white btw) in Hollywood playing white people. It's awful. Here's another perspective. just remind me the moment ago when kylo ren open his mask :v, palestinian ppl here shout hysterically *his face look jew, but, look like he's not That makes it more symbolic cause Harrison Ford is part jewish and he kills him o_O |
Apr 28, 2016 9:31 AM
#77
mdo7 said: semss said: u got what u want, china and korea more superior than their japan counterpart, japan is so inferior so u can't excuse them, but this remind me when jackie did this city hunter, bcoz, not wash-related stuff but still.... so there's no issue at all when subrace crosspath each other then :( Well you can't denied that Japan's film industry has problems and issues. But the "yellow-washing" is still a big issue. Also I didn't hear any big issue about Taiwan and South Korea adapting anime/manga into live-action TV drama (ie: Boys over flowers, and Playful Kiss). Their industry have lot issues, and "yellow-washing" is not one of it, they can do whatever they want if that the only thing they can afford, So, it(the cast) just result of their poor industry, even not neccessary, so it excuse-able..... Taiwan and korean did not have "big" catalog for that, many occasion they just borrow other ppl story, but I guess It's just matter of time, it's collapse or rose in the future mdo7 said: inuit, they are still/they were ansian, ancient asian, part of mongoloid semss said: mdo7 said: About the water bender may be based on Inuit, but there are influences too like the water bender has influences from Aboriginal Australians, Native Americans, and Pacific Islanders. Hell I could argue that they look like Mongolians Well they still have that Mongolian influences in there when I look at them. |
karambiaApr 28, 2016 9:58 AM
Apr 28, 2016 10:04 AM
#78
semss said: Their industry have lot issues, and "yellow-washing" is not one of it, they can do whatever they want if that the only thing they can afford, So, it(the cast) just result of their poor industry, even not neccessary, so it excuse-able..... No it's not. Long time ago, Japanese cinema were able to get Hollywood actors like for example: Latitude Zero: King Kong Escapes: I can find other Japanese films from the past that had Hollywood actors and non-Japanese actors/actresses in them. So what happened to that Japan? So you see the "yellow-washing" is a bit of an issue for me. See looking at their past films, I can say Japan should've been able to get Hollywood actors for the Live-action AOT film. semss said: Taiwan and korean did not have "big" catalog for that, many occasion they just borrow other ppl story, but I guess It's just matter of time, it's collapse or rose in the future Well it doesn't matter, I don't see any outrage over white-washing when South Korea and Taiwan adapt anime and manga into live-action. I guess the same can be said when Japan decided to remake a recent hit Korean drama. inuit, they are still/they were ansian, ancient asian, new mongoloid I know, but that shouldn't be an issue if Avatar: the last airbender get a live-action "Asian-style" TV drama in the future. |
Apr 28, 2016 10:19 AM
#79
mdo7 said: I think we already have "conversation" that japan movie industry already passed that golden age, now what left is their awkward-ness, u read midnighteye article and interview didn't u? U should get itsemss said: Their industry have lot issues, and "yellow-washing" is not one of it, they can do whatever they want if that the only thing they can afford, So, it(the cast) just result of their poor industry, even not neccessary, so it excuse-able..... No it's not. Long time ago, Japanese cinema were able to get Hollywood actors like for example: Latitude Zero: [yt]AEMDfCwnRGw[yt] King Kong Escapes: [yt]XrUFlFD4Lvo[yt] I can find other Japanese films from the past that had Hollywood actors and non-Japanese actors/actresses in them. So what happened to that Japan? So you see the "yellow-washing" is a bit of an issue for me. semss said: Taiwan and korean did not have "big" catalog for that, many occasion they just borrow other ppl story, but I guess It's just matter of time, it's collapse or rose in the future Well it doesn't matter, I don't see any outrage over white-washing when South Korea and Taiwan adapt anime and manga into live-action. I guess the same can be said when Japan decided to remake a recent hit Korean drama. inuit, they are still/they were ansian, ancient asian, new mongoloid I know, but that shouldn't be an issue if Avatar: the last airbender get a live-action "Asian-style" TV drama in the future. that's why in the past oshima could get bowie, mifune offered as darth vader etc, they were strong in the past indeed, but sorry not now So unfortunately ur prove is not necessary... Now these stuff they did just simply excuse-able, a fiction called AoT wasn't a big deal with for full cast japanese, even with the name, if only the movie were good Remember L in death note LA or dorama version should have mix of british and japanese (and other quarter mix race) but still ppl not moaning about it... I just don't get it what do u mean by these mongol stuff, when inuit could be straight part of mongoloid itself... I just agree with guys up there that last airbender was like cultural mix in one pot.. |
Apr 28, 2016 10:28 AM
#80
semss said: Remember L in death note LA or dorama version should have mix of british and japanese (and other quarter mix race) but still ppl not moaning about it... I would say these fans pull double standard on who's whitewashing and yellow-washing. Let me break it down: Hollywood whitewash Asian characters=complain and bitch about it Japan yellow-wash white characters=nobody bitch about it So basically this is just Asian fetish or Asian supremacy judging from the double standard I describe above. I just don't get it what do u mean by these mongol stuff, when inuit could be straight part of mongoloid itself... I just agree with guys up there that last airbender was like cultural mix in one pot.. You know the country, Mongolia. Because the water bender outfit look more like the winter outfit that people in Mongolia wear, do you get it now? But let me say it again: to make sure that another live-action adaptation of Avatar: the last airbender doesn't become white-wash again. I want it to become a "Asian-style" TV dramas which US, South Korea, and Mainland China can co-produce together. That way, the characters will be played by the right Asian actors/actresses and not a white person. The upcoming Chinese drama, Ice Fantasy and the Walking Dead producers doing a K-drama is enough proof to me that Avatar: the last Airbender would do better as a TV drama with the help of South Korea and Mainland China. Do you get it now? |
Apr 28, 2016 10:55 AM
#81
mdo7 said: no no, ppl eat their own shit, both west and east, bcoz all of "justified" they implied it's such of BS, I mean who fuckin' care, it's not rooney's case in the past that's humiliated and stereotyped in a bad bad way...I would say these fans pull double standard on who's whitewashing and yellow-washing. Let me break it down: Hollywood whitewash Asian characters=complain and bitch about it Japan yellow-wash white characters=nobody bitch about it So basically this is just Asian fetish or Asian supremacy judging from the double standard I describe above. You know the country, Mongolia. Because the water bender outfit look more like the winter outfit that people in Mongolia wear, do you get it now? But let me say it again: to make sure that another live-action adaptation of Avatar: the last airbender doesn't become white-wash again. I want it to become a "Asian-style" TV dramas which US, South Korea, and Mainland China can co-produce together. That way, the characters will be played by the right Asian actors/actresses and not a white person. The upcoming Chinese drama, Ice Fantasy and the Walking Dead producers doing a K-drama is enough proof to me that Avatar: the last Airbender would do better as a TV drama with the help of South Korea and Mainland China. Do you get it now? So Double standard?? By whom?? Asian?? Japan?? American?? White?? Black?? Minority?? Majority?? These is d real double standard, in more stupid way :3 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewashing_in_film https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour-blind_casting All of ppl with their own supremacist, owh god I want to be part of it, if only I could make porn about that airbender, u said water tribe could be mongol becoz they're need look as asian for ur idea, but inuit also "part" of it, they're long distance cousin, so why-s it even neccesary... Nah, that even not proof anything, how can it would be good by any standard, come one seriously, u judge after u see it... |
karambiaApr 28, 2016 8:03 PM
Apr 28, 2016 2:48 PM
#82
semss said: no no, ppl eat their own shit, both west and east, bcoz all of "justified" they implied it's such of BS, I mean who fuckin' care, it's not rodney's case in the past that's humiliated and stereotyped in a bad bad way... So Double standard?? By whom?? Asian?? Japan?? American?? White?? Black?? Minority?? Majority?? These is d real double standard, in more stupid way :3 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewashing_in_film https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour-blind_casting All of ppl with their own supremacist, owh god I want to be part of it, if only I could make porn I care because people complain about what USA or Hollywood does, but never the opposite when Asia does something similar. It's not only whitewashing, and yellow-washing hypocrisy/double standard I have a problem with. It's the same issue when Hollywood remake Asian films, people in the west complain. But when it's Asian remaking Hollywood films, the same people never complain about it at all. That's the type of hypocrisy/double standard I hate the most and I say this as a Asian-American. The people that complain about whitewashing in hollywood but never about Japan's yellow-washing are the same people that complain about Hollywood remaking Asian films, but never the opposite when Japan or Asia remake Hollywood films. So how do you explain that? semss said: about that airbender, u said water tribe could be mongol becoz they're need look as asian for ur idea, but inuit also "part" of it, they're long distance cousin, so why-s it even neccesary... Nah, that even not proof anything, how can it would be good by any standard, come one seriously, u judge after u see it... Some of the design of the water tribe outfit look similar to Mongolian winter outfit. but that's not the point, the other dude @Spooks said he didn't want Avatar: the last Airbender as a live-action "Asian-style" TV drama because as he said: Spooks said: What a terrible idea. A lot of us find most Asian drama funny and not for the reasons a series might meant to be. Also water benders are inuit, the only actually mostly Asian nation are the fire nation. That didn't make sense to me. How would a US-South Korea-China co-produce live-action TV drama adaptation of Avatar: the last Airbender wouldn't work. I mean what other alternatives that doesn't require whitewashing the characters. So the TV drama adaptation is the only way to go. So I take it that @Spooks has never watch a period drama from China or South Korea. |
Apr 28, 2016 5:29 PM
#83
Is anyone getting tired of hearing "[Insert Race that is a majority in its population] washing" being used to describe that there is a majority of a race in a countries film industry, because there's a reason why there aren't a lot of white actors in asian countries, it's because they're asian countries. Same as the United States, the majority race is white so their film industry will have a majority of actors being white. I don't know why that is so offensive, you want asian actors, go to China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. their majority race is Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, and Thai people. What actually should be considered a washing is when their movie industry intentionally excludes other races due to xenophobic reasons. Please, think about it and use [insert race] washing wisely. |
PixelatedTitanJan 24, 2017 9:12 PM
Apr 28, 2016 6:04 PM
#84
mdo7 said: u don't get wht implied so should I exaggerated it for u, each side is suck as hell, Side which accused yellow-washing, white washing, purple washing, just the same pot of bs, that's where I stand and why should I explain or even care for it, when it's obvious piece of hipocrisy of human nature, semss said: no no, ppl eat their own shit, both west and east, bcoz all of "justified" they implied it's such of BS, I mean who fuckin' care, it's not rodney's case in the past that's humiliated and stereotyped in a bad bad way... So Double standard?? By whom?? Asian?? Japan?? American?? White?? Black?? Minority?? Majority?? These is d real double standard, in more stupid way :3 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewashing_in_film https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour-blind_casting All of ppl with their own supremacist, owh god I want to be part of it, if only I could make porn I care because people complain about what USA or Hollywood does, but never the opposite when Asia does something similar. It's not only whitewashing, and yellow-washing hypocrisy/double standard I have a problem with. It's the same issue when Hollywood remake Asian films, people in the west complain. But when it's Asian remaking Hollywood films, the same people never complain about it at all. That's the type of hypocrisy/double standard I hate the most and I say this as a Asian-American. The people that complain about whitewashing in hollywood but never about Japan's yellow-washing are the same people that complain about Hollywood remaking Asian films, but never the opposite when Japan or Asia remake Hollywood films. So how do you explain that? mdo7 said: he said terrible idea, who said it won't work? But would it be goodneccessary. if ansian ppl want to adapt it, sure it will flood by ansian cast. but why, uppl in d west, just for the sake of "avoid" [color]washing, for just money for minority supremacist. why can't majority ppl in u.s. Can't put their shit there anymore, is that was a "made in west" stuff to begin with?That didn't make sense to me. How would a US-South Korea-China co-produce live-action TV drama adaptation of Avatar: the last Airbender wouldn't work. I mean what other alternatives that doesn't require whitewashing the characters. So the TV drama adaptation is the only way to go. So I take it that @Spooks has never watch a period drama from China or South Korea. That's I sense double standard the majority get for the sake of minority.. |
Apr 28, 2016 6:17 PM
#85
semss said: he said terrible idea, who said it won't work? But would it be goodneccessary. if ansian ppl want to adapt it, sure it will flood by ansian cast. but why, uppl in d west, just for the sake of "avoid" [color]washing, for just money for minority supremacist. why can't majority ppl in u.s. Can't put their shit there anymore, is that was a "made in west" stuff to begin with? Well how was it a terrible idea, the other person will not reply to me over it. So therefore, I think the person never watch a period drama from Asia in his life. I want Avatar: the last airbender to be adapted into a TV drama because it works better and also it'll help remove any trace of what M. Night did to it. Given that Korean dramas and Taiwanese dramas has been accepted in the west and seeing that the American producer of Walking Dead are doing a K-drama. I thought why not adapt it into a TV drama which has the feel of wuxia and fantasy, but have the feel and emotion of period K-drama. That's I sense double standard the majority get for the sake of minority.. Go tell that to Hollywood when they started to pander to Chinese audiences. |
Apr 28, 2016 6:19 PM
#86
PixelatedTitan said: Is anyone getting tired of hearing "[Insert Race that is a majority in its population] washing" being used to describe that there is a majority of a race in a countries film industry, because there's a reason why there aren't a lot of white actors in asian countries, it's because their asian countries. As I said, if South Korea and China were able to get Hollywood actors in their film, then Japan would've done the same too. I'm sure in the future Hollywood actors may appear in other Asian films in the future. |
Apr 28, 2016 6:30 PM
#87
PixelatedTitan said: Is anyone getting tired of hearing "[Insert Race that is a majority in its population] washing" being used to describe that there is a majority of a race in a countries film industry, because there's a reason why there aren't a lot of white actors in asian countries, it's because their asian countries. Same as the United States, the majority race is white so their film industry will have a majority of actors being white. I don't know why that is so offensive, you want asian actors, go to China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. their majority race is Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, and Thai people. What actually should be considered a washing is when their movie industry intentionally excludes other races due to xenophobic reasons. Please, think about it and use [insert race] washing wisely. For the love of God, stop it, it's not about race, it's about the purity of the original work, Japan has an excuse it' has a lower budget, America with a bigger movie industry does not have an excuse. |
Apr 28, 2016 6:34 PM
#88
mdo7 said: even if u're still stubborn with ur ansian style drama, ppl, the original fan or sjw, pc etc etc will and still find ways to critize it if it's not fit their standardsemss said: he said terrible idea, who said it won't work? But would it be goodneccessary. if ansian ppl want to adapt it, sure it will flood by ansian cast. but why, uppl in d west, just for the sake of "avoid" [color]washing, for just money for minority supremacist. why can't majority ppl in u.s. Can't put their shit there anymore, is that was a "made in west" stuff to begin with? Well how was it a terrible idea, the other person will not reply to me over it. So therefore, I think the person never watch a period drama from Asia in his life. I want Avatar: the last airbender to be adapted into a TV drama because it works better and also it'll help remove any trace of what M. Night did to it. Given that Korean dramas and Taiwanese dramas has been accepted in the west and seeing that the American producer of Walking Dead are doing a K-drama. I thought why not adapt it into a TV drama which has the feel of wuxia and fantasy, but have the feel and emotion of period K-drama. , so stop claimed it "work better", if mnight samalalamalan did it good, hit one blockbuster, even with that cast, ppl won't care/concer about it much, it ask the movie itself.... mdo7 said: and why chinese audiences be on "please pandering me with ur shit" hollywood, they should stop watch disney~marvel stuff if that isGo tell that to Hollywood when they started to pander to Chinese audiences. |
Apr 28, 2016 6:38 PM
#89
Hoppy said: PixelatedTitan said: Is anyone getting tired of hearing "[Insert Race that is a majority in its population] washing" being used to describe that there is a majority of a race in a countries film industry, because there's a reason why there aren't a lot of white actors in asian countries, it's because their asian countries. Same as the United States, the majority race is white so their film industry will have a majority of actors being white. I don't know why that is so offensive, you want asian actors, go to China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. their majority race is Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, and Thai people. What actually should be considered a washing is when their movie industry intentionally excludes other races due to xenophobic reasons. Please, think about it and use [insert race] washing wisely. For the love of God, stop it, it's not about race, it's about the purity of the original work, Japan has an excuse it' has a lower budget, America with a bigger movie industry does not have an excuse. that been my point too but people like th guy you qoaute and Mdo dot care bout that now do they |
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Apr 28, 2016 9:20 PM
#90
Hoppy said: Japan has an excuse it' has a lower budget, America with a bigger movie industry does not have an excuse. Japan should've made that film a co-production or make effort to raise budget to get Hollywood actors in their film. I mean I already said this, South Korea and China are able to get Hollywood actors for their films, so Japan should've been able to do it too. It's no wonder why Japanese cinema are not quite taken seriously like other Asian cinema. semss said: even if u're still stubborn with ur ansian style drama, ppl, the original fan or sjw, pc etc etc will and still find ways to critize it if it's not fit their standard , so stop claimed it "work better", if mnight samalalamalan did it good, hit one blockbuster, even with that cast, ppl won't care/concer about it much, it ask the movie itself.... Well how do you know western audiences won't like it. You don't know how many fans of western fans of Avatar: the last Airbender may be also fans of K-dramas, or fans of Chinese Wuxia. I was too busy to think about this but there's another reason I want Avatar to be a live-action Asian-style TV drama. The original animation series was a homage and nod to anime. So I want the live-action TV drama to be a nod/homage to those Hong Kong/Mainland Chinese wuxia/period drama like this: and Korean period dramas: The original animated series reflected off the popularity of anime. Now after seeing how K-dramas and slowly Chinese dramas are getting more popular worldwide, to me it make more sense for Avatar: the last airbender to be more fitted into a TV drama that can pay homage to Chinese Wuxia fantasy drama and Korean period drama. Just like how the original animated series paid homages and reflected off of anime popularity at that time, I want the live-action "Asian style" TV drama to reflect off of the popularity of K-dramas and maybe Chinese TV dramas. Does that make sense now? |
Apr 28, 2016 9:31 PM
#91
mdo7 said: never said that, u missed my point, just stick with ur rl activities for now if u can't reply or think well as reasonWell how do you know western audiences won't like it myself said: that's why "work better" like u said is non sense, bcoz it's such relative issueppl, the original fan or sjw, pc etc etc will and stilll find ways to critize criticize it if it's not fit their standard mdo7 said: though it's obvious as already bit of altered the thread, finally u admit it,I want the live-action "Asian style" TV drama to reflect off of the popularity of K-dramas and maybe Chinese TV dramas. Does that make sense now? |
Apr 28, 2016 9:37 PM
#92
semss said: mdo7 said: though it's obvious as already bit of altered the thread, finally u admit it,I want the live-action "Asian style" TV drama to reflect off of the popularity of K-dramas and maybe Chinese TV dramas. Does that make sense now? Well, you have to reflect off the time and popularity. |
Apr 28, 2016 11:17 PM
#93
mdo7 said: if that's really ur case, u shouldn't have problem with scarjo as there aren't jap actress par with her popplraritysemss said: mdo7 said: I want the live-action "Asian style" TV drama to reflect off of the popularity of K-dramas and maybe Chinese TV dramas. Does that make sense now? Well, you have to reflect off the time and popularity. |
Apr 29, 2016 12:13 AM
#94
Hollywood adaptions of Asian entertainment is 99% trash anyways. Don't care whether the actors are white or not, because I won't be watching |
Apr 29, 2016 3:18 AM
#95
I think "Hollywood" is such a generic term and you can't possibly summarize all of "Hollywood" one way or another. |
Apr 29, 2016 11:22 AM
#96
semss said: if that's really ur case, u shouldn't have problem with scarjo as there aren't jap actress par with her popplrarity Well they could have made the movie a co-production between Japan and USA (hell I wouldn't have mind if it was a co-production between South Korea and Mainland China). You don't need a Japanese actor to play Motoko, I would've gotten maybe Ha Ji Won or Kim Hee Sun to play as Motoko for the live-action Ghost in the Shell. |
Apr 29, 2016 6:13 PM
#97
mdo7 said: u know, it's not the problem they couldn't, but they won't easily splash their cash like that, and why didn't they?? take a risk?? U know ur "hollywood" in general term about how pragmatism they are. Even when they're pandering asian audiences, u know they won't cast u as MC, instead b8-ing u with cast local superstar as passerby character. So co-production, cast japanese, with japanese language, shoot in japan with let's said hollywood's Craftmanship on their side. it won't happen, we never seen money flood from that case(even talk for hollywood take on live action from anime in general, we still can't smell success money) and they won't risky their wallet that far, assume they could lose the potency of west audiences *till some crazy weaboo filmaker with indie attitude break that shit, who knows semss said: if that's really ur case, u shouldn't have problem with scarjo as there aren't jap actress par with her popplrarity Well they could have made the movie a co-production between Japan and USA (hell I wouldn't have mind if it was a co-production between South Korea and Mainland China). mdo7 said: soon another dude will problematic that as dumb choice/decision, like, who's that?? I never heard one of them?? Why aren't japanese?? Give the role back to them.. ... Hei hei wait a minute, Why that kikuchi flat japanese bitch playin' motoko?? Etc etc U know that kind of stuff is more popular nowaday, even if u deny it call it justified or whatever unconsciously u could be one of themYou don't need a Japanese actor to play Motoko, I would've gotten maybe Ha Ji Won or Kim Hee Sun to play as Motoko for the live-action Ghost in the Shell. In the end, if the movie do very well with source material in this case the story and the main theme, it shouldn't big problem, but I don't want guarantee that, look by director chair and sreenwriter track record ofc, not so bright |
karambiaApr 30, 2016 4:10 AM
Apr 30, 2016 8:48 AM
#98
semss said: Hei hei wait a minute, Why that kikuchi flat japanese bitch playin' motoko?? Etc etc U know that kind of stuff is more popular nowaday, even if u deny it call it justified or whatever unconsciously u could be one of them Then tell that person that Korean stuff is more popular and I could use this article to back this up. |
Apr 30, 2016 9:50 AM
#99
A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding why this is considered a problem. It's not because it's straying from the original source by having white actors play the roles, it's that it's taking acting opportunities from other non-white people, when they already don't get as many opportunities. |
chizzlezMay 23, 2016 9:53 PM
Apr 30, 2016 10:04 AM
#100
mdo7 said: idk u got what I mean, or my english really bad when implied or understand it, In simple way, I want to say that the popular thing now is moaningcomplaining. But, yeah look like u are already prepare if somekind of korean backlash happen xDsemss said: Hei hei wait a minute, Why that kikuchi flat japanese bitch playin' motoko?? Etc etc U know that kind of stuff is more popular nowaday, even if u deny it call it justified or whatever unconsciously u could be one of them Then tell that person that Korean stuff is more popular and I could use this article to back this up. |
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