Macross Δ Episode 4 Discussion

Stark700 said:
Something also really makes me wonder about Mikumo...what the hell was she doing alone at night?

IZEROII said:
Reference to previous title idols was a nice touch

zurgboy00 said:
I wish they'd add a cameo or something LOL :)) I really want to see Sheryl and Ranka also alto.

hiruman said:
I'm getting a Sharon Apple vibes from Mikumo.

alva13 said:
so beautiful




me too.. they are like 25 years old in this universe

Farabeuf said:
What is Mikumo?

Who was the Earthling who showed Freyja human music all those years ago? (My bet is Basara or Alto)

hiruman said:
I'm getting a Sharon Apple vibes from Mikumo.

valvravetruth said:
The quality of subs are slowly dropping, or some more like adding unnesessary words to the subs which don't reflect what the character said.

Mentar said:
Good, but not as good as ep3. Needs more Mirage and catfighting, Freiya-moe alone is not interesting enough for me, sorry :)

Interesting that so many people suspect Mikumo to be a Cyborg of sorts... to be honest, I thought that she looked very Windermerian to me. She has a hair ornament which looks very tentacle-like to me, and/or she could hide one in her hair bun... and she's clearly the long-haired girl from the end of the OP.

I'm also curious what this "Grudge" is that the Windermerian was referring to...

Puspitasari said:
After watching episode 4, i ask my fren to analyse SV-262 Draken used by Aerial Knights and it's quite entertaining to read

1. Armored cockpit
   Interest how kawamori design draken with Armored cockpit. It's really no secret that the VFs are pandering to the fans of real life fighter jets. That's what makes Macross different from others and what sells its products. As such, they try not to change too much of the design that it becomes way different from the real world fighter jets. This includes the usage of glass canopies. In reality though, the usage of glass canopy on a fast moving space vehicle such as a VF is a huge hazard. Why? Micro meteroids. Floating tiny rocks that often move at high speed in space and acts as tiny bullets. Yeah you would argue that almost all sci-fi space fighters uses glass canopy, but the thing is, those sc-fi jets are pandering to people that wants old school dogfights and thus, try to emulate much of its elements as they can. This includes the design similarities and of course, the combat 'physics'. In reality, windows on space crafts are a structure vulnerability and hazard (not just because of meteroids, but to intense light and radiation) and space dogfights physics are way different. But here's another fun trivia. Windows are prevalent in sci-fi ships designs because it shows that the ships have organic design; you are more likely to like a ship with windows than those without it because we are used to it. Ships or vehicles that doesn't have windows look robotic and isn't such a great place to sit in.In other word, you can see that the Draken armored cockpits are not only a great improvement over the VFs glass canopy, but it also should be an obvious standard. Of course, if the producers did that for the VFs, most wouldn't like it
   

fst said:


Tell your friend to get on here and fite me

The glass canopies on modern fighter jets aren't actually glass, they're polycarbonate, which sounds worse (eww plastic, the stuff CD cases are made of) but they're pretty damn tough. Now, it is true that micrometeroid impacts are a problem because of their ridicilous (several km/s) speed, but glass windows are perfectly workable in space, albeit really fucking heavy because it has to hold one atmosphere of pressure against vacuum. But here's the difference: You don't really need to see out of the space station. You only need to see out in a few places: the docking area, and the aforementioned cupola, from which you take dank photos of the Earth and upload them to twitter for mad internet points.

A fighter is different; good all around visibility is of the utmost importance. The F-35 tries to skimp on that (you can't see out the back very well because of the lift fan blister) and compensates with a rearview camera and other sensors; but a camera is not as good as an eye. It's not as fast (there's a little bit of lag), it's not as high resolution (inb4 somebody complains that the human eye doesn't have the same concept of resolution) and it doesn't have as good dynamic range (though that arguably doesn't count for shit in this context).

Now, it being the case that this is a sci-fi anime where they can have a camera system with absolutely none of the disadvantages I just described, then yea, it's a no brainer. But if they had technology that good, I could just as well argue that they could also make a huge, curved canopy which is immune to micrometeroids and which filters out excess radiation (note the latter point is already a mostly solved problem, just look at spacesuit visors)... and thus we're stuck in an endless circlejerk with no way out.

Another problem with windows is that they are a structural weakpoint; the hole cut in the structure to accommodate them results in a huge stress concentration and a weakening of the overall structure, which must then be compensated by making it heavier. HOWEVER: An armored cockpit has the same problem because you need to have a hole for the pilot to get in and out. Possibly a smaller hole, sure, but a hole's a hole.

But anyway, my point is, the armored cockpit is not a no-brainer compared to a traditional, transparent canopy purely from a practical design perspective.

And even from an artistic perspective... I think people like the idea of windows on spaceships to be able to see into the vastness of space, but that it's not a prerequisite for making a likable combat vehicle. Tanks capture a place in people's imagination and they have terrible visibility. Even within the realm of mecha, it is the norm rather than the exception to have armored cockpits; the only mecha I can think of where the pilot can see out of it directly is escaflowne. I can understand the argument that it needs windows to look "human" or "livable", but I would argue that does not apply that broadly.

Virtual_sk said:
That’s quite the spectacle to kill a virus.

So according to Freyja, Walküre is already in the pantheon of legendary singers alongside Minmay, Fire Bomber, Sheryl and Ranka. Now I wonder how long has Walküre been actively fighting and how the unit was formed.