You said: TitanAnteus said: ... We talking about the same Macross where women usually hold high-ranking positions, are confident, and are more well-liked than their male counterparts? I'm talking about 80-s Macross. Okay so we have a higher rank women makes it non-misogynist? Okay let's go deeper. -The protag won't obey his commander just because she is a female? check. -Minmay depicted as a weak girl who suddenly falls in love with that guy because trapped together? check. -Even the commander then become a weak person towards Hikaru and turned liking him, the guy who disobeying her for being a female? check. -Hikaru slapped Minmay his former 'lover' for not wanting to help him after he make her so much heartbroken? check. -Meltrandi extinct but Zentradi isn't? check. You can argue that it's specifically Hikaru who is sexist, not the show. And the way I remember it, both genders of aliens survived. There were some giants working on Earth as it was rebuilt, and by Macross 7 there was at least one giantess in the cast. But let's not fool ourselves - the show is sexist. The main question is - was the show sexist for its time (it's about 30 years old now)? I don't know. @Mamster-P Where is this glorious picture from? kitsune0 said: Antithesis, i.e. against everything I stand for? The End of Evangelion. Taking psychological anime with cathartic end and making the shit out of it? WTF, why? Yes, yes, we've got that you, Anno, has been fed up with all this ridiculous "fans" and decided to fuck/troll them. And it would be 0K if not for your all-typical Japanese social cowardice when later you revoked it and claimed "it's all been a plan from the start". Same story as with Nasu and "Tsukihime" in regards of "Kara no Kyoukai". Could you explain what you meant about Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai? As a fan of type-moon, I feel that there is something I do not know here. |
| i see ecchi haters everywhere...... then what ? if you hate ecchi then what ? raid the company ? oh hell no! i won't let you do that. @Mamster-P well at least i know that this is not a complain thread....... @JustALEX "Wah, ecchi is ruining anime!" ^No...it fucking isn't...if anything thanks to ecchi, a shit ton of anime goods get sold which bring massive revenues to the industry. "B-but ecchi gives anime a bad name!" ^This is a very stupid excuse...it's like saying that Pop music gives ALL music a bad name. you mean K-POP m8 you forgot the "K" |
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flannan said: In one of the earliest interviews he admitted that he basically remade than-unsuccessful KnK into much more fanservice'y "Tsukihime" but later denied it and started saying that it's all been a part of initial plan. Yes, it's understandable by Japanese standards, because his earlier statement basically says "you fans didn't understand/you're stupid", and you can't shit on society in Japan (unless you're Myadzaki the Saint, and even he still sucking up to fans, he's just too tsundere to admit it), but still.Could you explain what you meant about Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai? As a fan of type-moon, I feel that there is something I do not know here. |
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kitsune0 said: flannan said: In one of the earliest interviews he admitted that he basically remade than-unsuccessful KnK into much more fanservice'y "Tsukihime" but later denied it and started saying that it's all been a part of initial plan. Yes, it's understandable by Japanese standards, because his earlier statement basically says "you fans didn't understand/you're stupid", and you can't shit on society in Japan (unless you're Myadzaki the Saint, and even he still sucking up to fans, he's just too tsundere to admit it), but still.Could you explain what you meant about Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai? As a fan of type-moon, I feel that there is something I do not know here. Thanks for the explanation. Well, it's obvious Tsukihime was made to be more saleable, and he could only print Kara no Kyoukai after he got famous. I would not call Tsukihime a remake of KnK in any way, though - it's way too different. |
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flannan said: 0f course not.I would not call Tsukihime a remake of KnK in any way, though - it's way too different. And yet still there are many "true" hardcore fans that blindly denying way too much obvious similarities (one of my MAL friends is the example). Usually it's just the "first love syndrome", many of such fans started from "Tsukihime" and don't want hear anything "bad" about it. I mean, yes, there are authors that just like exploring one theme again & again (Tim Burton, Makoto Shinkai), but it's different from our case. And also there are authors who can use the same pattern again & again without becoming boring (Eric Van Lustbader), but that's also another story. |
There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value. Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
ilovewendy16 said: pretty words alone can't change the worldDeath Note and Code Geass. Because if you kill the bad guys, you are also a bad guy so you have to kill yourself. oh, wait... also this world is rotten and rotten people should be killed |
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ilovewendy16 said: Tevens said: I'm pretty sure that "K" is supposed to be a "J"i see ecchi haters everywhere...... then what ? if you hate ecchi then what ? raid the company ? oh hell no! i won't let you do that. @Mamster-P well at least i know that this is not a complain thread....... @JustALEX "Wah, ecchi is ruining anime!" ^No...it fucking isn't...if anything thanks to ecchi, a shit ton of anime goods get sold which bring massive revenues to the industry. "B-but ecchi gives anime a bad name!" ^This is a very stupid excuse...it's like saying that Pop music gives ALL music a bad name. you mean K-POP m8 you forgot the "K"  ...................................................................................................................................................... |
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kamisama751 said: Tevens said: "B-but ecchi gives anime a bad name!" ^This is a very stupid excuse...it's like saying that Pop music gives ALL music a bad name. If something gives a bad name is based on how the consumers are represented. Do people receive pop fans as fat hikkikomori with pillows? no. But they do so with anime consumer. Why? Because of all the echi merchandises and otakus without a life. Not saying that all anime fans are so or all people receive things like that but echi does give anime a bad name (generally). What is about explaining why is doesn't instead of using an example? That can get accepted by others much easier. ;) I'm not responsible for the anime fans' public image. You are not responsible for it too. And the authors aren't responsible for that. Nobody has to care about such trivial things. What we really need is anti-discrimination laws, so that that "public" would not be able to do anything to us no matter our public image. Also, I'm sure no muggle has any idea what body pillow even is. Neither fo they know about hikkikomori. Because they're muggles. A lot of them don't even know about anime. |
kamisama751 said: Tevens said: "B-but ecchi gives anime a bad name!" ^This is a very stupid excuse...it's like saying that Pop music gives ALL music a bad name. Not saying that all anime fans are so or all people receive things like that but echi does give anime a bad name (generally). What is about explaining why is doesn't instead of using an example? That can get accepted by others much easier. ;) can't agrue with that, and i kinda agree too even tho i'm a fan of it. ecchi gives anime a bad name because most people think anime is for kids. anime is kids show, but in this age, in this era, anime is not for kids only or more like kids shouldn't watch anime imo, it's too dangerous. need to pass 17 or 14 too watch anime or need to know what's good and what's bad. because we, most people don't want the viewer get over sexualized by the ecchi and start assault girls IRL. |
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flannan said: kamisama751 said: If something gives a bad name is based on how the consumers are represented. Do people receive pop fans as fat hikkikomori with pillows? no. But they do so with anime consumer. Why? Because of all the echi merchandises and otakus without a life. Not saying that all anime fans are so or all people receive things like that but echi does give anime a bad name (generally). What is about explaining why is doesn't instead of using an example? That can get accepted by others much easier. ;) I'm not responsible for the anime fans' public image. You are not responsible for it too. And the authors aren't responsible for that. Nobody has to care about such trivial things. What we really need is anti-discrimination laws, so that that "public" would not be able to do anything to us no matter our public image. Also, I'm sure no muggle has any idea what body pillow even is. Neither fo they know about hikkikomori. Because they're muggles. A lot of them don't even know about anime. i think weaaboo is not a bad thing. well, i still think it is werid, but it's not a bad thing as long as they still know the difference between reality and imagination. having a body pillow is not a bad thing tho, rather it's a weird thing, well, as long as they still sane, i don't see it's a bad thing. |
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Haha completely forgot this show exists. Captain Caveman it is not. |
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Tevens said: because we, most people don't want the viewer get over sexualized by the ecchi and start assault girls IRL. Wait, what? Stop underestimating children, damnit. I could tell right from wrong even before I entered elementary school. What we need is to make people aware that there are different kinds of anime. For girls and for boys, for old and for young... And plenty of them are indeed intended for children, without any of those boring things like love and romance. kitsune0 said: flannan said: 0f course not.I would not call Tsukihime a remake of KnK in any way, though - it's way too different. And yet still there are many "true" hardcore fans that blindly denying way too much obvious similarities (one of my MAL friends is the example). Usually it's just the "first love syndrome", many of such fans started from "Tsukihime" and don't want hear anything "bad" about it. I mean, yes, there are authors that just like exploring one theme again & again (Tim Burton, Makoto Shinkai), but it's different from our case. And also there are authors who can use the same pattern again & again without becoming boring (Eric Van Lustbader), but that's also another story. Well, Type-Moon obviously re-used a lot of stuff from Kara no Kyoukai, that's for sure. They probably didn't expect to need it any more. Due to my background (tabletop RPG gamemaster) I respect that. Buo said: flannan said: For me, it's Haibane Renmei. I watched 1/3 or 1/2 of the anime, before I took a break, and realized how horrible it was. A whole town of people who don't even care to look what's beyond the wall? They don't even know it from textbooks, yet they aren't curious or worried? That's terrible, and is against everything that I stand for. I could not watch it any longer. How about you open your eyes when you watch an anime? That would help. Sumika, the pregnant librarian lady, definitely tried to know more about what's beyond the walls and talked about it to Rakka, in fact the whole subject is touched upon in episode 5. I see. So it gets even worse as the show goes on, and the town turns to be actively anti-knowledge. That's unforgivable. It's a good thing I dropped the show earlier. |
TyrelApr 23, 2016 5:22 PM
Buo said: flannan said: I see. So it gets even worse as the show goes on, and the town turns to be actively anti-knowledge. That's unforgivable. It's a good thing I dropped the show earlier. You do realize Glie is a second chance for people who wasted their previous life, right? We don't even know if there is knowledge to be had to begin with. It doesn't stop The Communicator from doing everything he can to allow Rakka to know more about what happened to her friend who managed to leave the town though, so it definitely isn't "anti-knowledge" like you say it is. I don't even know why I'm arguing with a narrow-minded person who couldn't even grasp those simple facts and interpret them. 1) Please note that I did not finish the anime. I dropped it somewhere during the first half. I don't think I even heard the name "Glie". 2) So far, the world looked like it was only good for wasting another life there. What's the meaning in life that does not advance knowledge and technology? 3) Isn't this a topic to show off one's narrow-mindedness? kamisama751 said: flannan said: I'm not responsible for the anime fans' public image. You are not responsible for it too. And the authors aren't responsible for that. Nobody has to care about such trivial things. What we really need is anti-discrimination laws, so that that "public" would not be able to do anything to us no matter our public image. Also, I'm sure no muggle has any idea what body pillow even is. Neither fo they know about hikkikomori. Because they're muggles. A lot of them don't even know about anime. The law won't help the way of human thinking. Even if that exist, they will still see anime as a bad thing. They don't need to know what these terms actually mean. Show for example them this: What are these things called? They don't know but they are sure that they don't want to end up like that, which is received as lifeless sunken in fantasy lonely nerd. I don't expect an ordinary person to be able to understand your concerns. At most, that person will exhibit xenophobia. What I see is a perfectly ordinary young man with enough money to afford an expensive computer rig (3 monitors), in a tidy and thoroughly-decorated room, that is full of things that are meaningful only for his subculture. |
| @kamisama751 i didn't say anime in 80s/90s was made only for kids. there are anime for kids and there are anime for adults or teens too. What? Echi actually/mostly gives the first impression that anime are animated porn. yeah....that's what i said, isn't it ? most people see anime as a kids show, why ? because it's cartoon/animated because most anime that are being shown in TV are something like kids show, Doraemon for example. so obvious people would think it's just a kids show. but if you go deep inside more into anime, then you will first most likely find something that is called ecchi in anime. they change their opinion towards anime and think anime is porn. and they will badmouth anime just because of ecchi even tho anime is just an animation, not real. let's make it simple, the outside wall layer of anime is Ecchi. just gonna be honest, i was searching for porn long time ago, and i found a name, it was oni chichi (hentai), then i tried to seach it on google, that was where i found anime called Papa no iukoto wo kikinasai. LMAO i thought that was hentai, so i watched it. surprisingly i got addicted to the first episode and tried to watch more, LOL it became my fav. and that's how i got into anime. i got into anime because of hentai LOL. ^ just saying btw. either anime is bad or good is just an opinion. but logicaly anime is indeed bad for kids (because of ecchi) and maybe even a guy (if the person get over sexualized is obvious a bad thing. it can cause rape IRL,etc) but if anime industry can do something to avoid kids to watch anime, and if the viewer know what's bad and what's good, basically still sane and can hold their own sexual desire, there will be no problem with anime anymore, right ? |
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flannan said: What I see is a perfectly ordinary young man with enough money to afford an expensive computer rig (3 monitors), in a tidy and thoroughly-decorated room, that is full of things that are meaningful only for his subculture. And he is probably fluent in Japanese since owns unlicensed visual novels, and maybe has a job too. |
| @kamisama751 you misunderstand it. "i didn't say anime in 80s/90s was made only for kids" when i said anime is only for kids, i mean it's on people's view who doesn't know about anime, not on anime fan's view. sorry m8, i'm bad at writing my own thoughts, especially in english. "Echi actually/mostly gives the first impression that anime are animated porn" well, yeah that is true. LOL m8, i just misunderstand that *face palm*. sorry. |
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| @flannan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jLT7GQYNhI @Tevens most "creative" arguement ive seen against ecchi can still be used against many other elements in anime "if im watching in public" i wouldn't want people to see my sceen during an ecchi moment" like that can't be said about the violence, and the slapstick but still that can easily be avoided, by not watching anime in public >.> everything else is personal preference "ITS TOO DISTRACTING DURING TENSE MOMENTS" foh... |
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| @Mamster-P i'm worried more on "anime bad reputation" or "Ecchi gives anime bad name" problems. "Porn". on every people's view, obvious, the word of "Porn" is not a good thing, and logicaly it gives a bad effect for humans brain or hormones especially for kids. and what if kids below 15 years old watch anime with ecchi genre ? not something good will happen i bet. Ecchi is considered as a "Porn" but it's a soft porn, not a hardcore one, and on top of that it's not real. mostly adult viewers who doesn't know anime would think anime is a bad entertaiment if they watch Ecchi show for the first time. but if they watch something different than Ecchi for the first time, at least they would think it's an "OKAY" entertaiment. but if you go deep more about anime, they find the thing called "Ecchi" and most people especially adult, would think anime is a bad entetaiment. only teens around 15-25 age would like it. i think that's how anime got a bad reputation. and i want to think how to change the reputation into a good one. |
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flannan said: That's kind of the point though, I find it interesting that you disliked it for those reasons because I liked it for the same reasons and have a similar view towards it as you. Most people don't give a shit about anything beyond their immediate needs and only work to improve themselves because society is (ideally) designed to reward those who pursue something that is beneficial to that society. I think the Glie citizen's disinterest in knowledge mirrors the way most people are. My tags pretty much sum it up.Buo said: You do realize Glie is a second chance for people who wasted their previous life, right? We don't even know if there is knowledge to be had to begin with. It doesn't stop The Communicator from doing everything he can to allow Rakka to know more about what happened to her friend who managed to leave the town though, so it definitely isn't "anti-knowledge" like you say it is. I don't even know why I'm arguing with a narrow-minded person who couldn't even grasp those simple facts and interpret them. 1) Please note that I did not finish the anime. I dropped it somewhere during the first half. I don't think I even heard the name "Glie". 2) So far, the world looked like it was only good for wasting another life there. What's the meaning in life that does not advance knowledge and technology? 3) Isn't this a topic to show off one's narrow-mindedness? People who seek knowledge or exihibit behaviors not in line with their culture often get punished. Homosexuals ("vigilante's" hunted them down in SF during the 19th century), transsexuals(currently happening now), believing in evolution or denouncing any religious convictions in certain parts of the US, hell, I can't even talk philosophy with most people because they act like I'm crazy. Maybe it's just my biases, I know a ton of people who don't care about anything but drinking and smoking on the weekends and making a enough money during the week to repeat the cycle. It's fucking disgusting. |
merryfistmasApr 23, 2016 9:17 PM
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| This is spretty much how I feel. I liked NGE, but EoE felt like they were trying to make it confusing for the sake of it, and I'm usually totally down for those 2deep4u shows. |
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| LOL End of Evangelion was an absolute mindf*ck. Of all the mindf*cks of anime, it's definitely in the top ten......of "most mindf*ckiest". XD |
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Mamster-P said: and we've had plenty of "what do you not like in anime" threads already, which is pretty much the question..... hence the DJ Khaled gif i didn't contribute cause theres nothing in anime that bothers me, so what else is someone like me supposed to say? Well, I don't want to be a dick, but you're supposed to ignore a thread/topic that doesn't interest you, or fits to your problems or needs. I agree with you that this is overly repeated, but it's kinda of different from the ones we usually see. Accel World is pretty bad due to the protagonist. He ruined the whole series by being useless and a crybaby. Highshool DXD is absolutely shit too. It was supposed to be a comedy but it turned out to be jerk-off material for horny weebs. Also, the idea of a pervert protagonist was intended for comedy purposes, but being a pervert is absolutely disgusting and it adds up to the list of why not to watch it. |
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FromZeroToZero said: Well, I don't want to be a dick, but you're supposed to ignore a thread/topic that doesn't interest you, or fits to your problems or needs. I agree with you that this is overly repeated, but it's kinda of different from the ones we usually see. no, its true, shouldn't give haters attention, but its just not me to not do so, cause i like to be the fan who speaks against hate |
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Mamster-P said: FromZeroToZero said: Well, I don't want to be a dick, but you're supposed to ignore a thread/topic that doesn't interest you, or fits to your problems or needs. I agree with you that this is overly repeated, but it's kinda of different from the ones we usually see. no, its true, shouldn't give haters attention, but its just not me to not do so, cause i like to be the fan who speaks against hate Absolutely agree with you! People say that fanboys ruin the community, while the truth is that haters ruin it. Being a fanboy is when you love an anime very much and defend it like it's you family, which is bad but not that much. On the other hand, people become haters because a certain anime is getting more popularity that their favorite anime, which is a fucking stupid reason to hate something. They're cancer of the community and they ruin the experience for the viewers. I haven't been using MAL like before just because of the mostly hater community. They have no life and you can't get words to go through their thick, empty skull |
Kruszer said: If there is anything, it's Diabolik Douchebags Lovers, which was probably the most offensive and incomprehensible thing I've ever seen. Everyone seems to really hate it but it looks okay from here. Why is it so bad? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Kruszer said: If there is anything, it's Diabolik Douchebags Lovers, which was probably the most offensive and incomprehensible thing I've ever seen. Everyone seems to really hate it but it looks okay from here. Why is it so bad? People see a bunch of attractive assholes mistreating some girl, so their protective instinct kicks in. "I'll protect you M'lady"  "Girls should like a nice guy like me, not these assholes" |
TheBrainintheJar said: Kruszer said: If there is anything, it's Diabolik Douchebags Lovers, which was probably the most offensive and incomprehensible thing I've ever seen. Everyone seems to really hate it but it looks okay from here. Why is it so bad? Because it's a whole show about a bunch of absolutely unlikable scumbags abusing, insulting, and torturing a typical unlikable brainless shoujo anime girl, mentally and physically, as they hold her captive in their house and treat her like cattle. As a man, I found watching it was offensive to my morals and intelligence and is one of the few works of fiction (or anything in life really) that has caused me to experience a level of anger I would call rage, which is a feat in and of itself considering I'm not that easy to offend. |
KruszerApr 24, 2016 12:52 AM
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Kruszer said: And that's what you rightfully getting for not paying attention to genres. It's otome/shoujo. So bitching about it if you're male as stupid as bitching about yaoi. You called it on yourself.Because it's a whole show about a bunch of absolutely unlikable scumbags abusing, insulting, and torturing a typical unlikable brainless shoujo anime girl, mentally and physically, as they hold her captive in their house and treat her like cattle. As a man, I found watching it was offensive to my morals and intelligence and is one of the few works of fiction (or anything in life really) that has caused me to experience a level of anger I would call rage, which is a feat in and of itself considering I'm not that easy to offend. |
There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value. Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
| Mayoiga for me the characters pisses me off -_- they seriously think they can start a new life by just boarding a bus to a village that's only in rumors ? |
| probably that swimming pool anime called Free! seriously, what the FUCK even is that? it doesn't stimulate me at all, not even like... sexually, and I like men in speedos. |
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kitsune0 said: Kruszer said: And that's what you rightfully getting for not paying attention to genres. It's otome/shoujo. So bitching about it if you're male as stupid as bitching about yaoi. You called it on yourself.Because it's a whole show about a bunch of absolutely unlikable scumbags abusing, insulting, and torturing a typical unlikable brainless shoujo anime girl, mentally and physically, as they hold her captive in their house and treat her like cattle. As a man, I found watching it was offensive to my morals and intelligence and is one of the few works of fiction (or anything in life really) that has caused me to experience a level of anger I would call rage, which is a feat in and of itself considering I'm not that easy to offend. 1.) Except that I actually LIKE some shoujo and josei stuff, so avoiding it offhandedly like that is dumb and pointless. Heck I've even liked other adaptations based on otome games like Amnesia so that doesn't work. Trial and error is still the best method. 2) My opinion was requested by TheBrainintheJar which gives me fair license to voice it, bitching or otherwise. Deal with it. Anyhow, I'm not wasting anymore time discussing this terrible show, anyway so subject closed. |
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