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Apr 11, 2016 12:43 AM
#101
Martin said: eturnity said: But doesn't that technically mean those who watch anime live on TV also hurts the industry cuz no sales?>Japanese fan uses DVR to record late night anime and watch it later- no complaint >Oversees fan downloads anime- responsible for hurting anime industry ok Yup, the Japanese government should just make a tax on all its citizens for providing access to anime. It should be called Animecare. |
Apr 11, 2016 12:46 AM
#102
eturnity said: You're a fkn geniusMartin said: eturnity said: >Japanese fan uses DVR to record late night anime and watch it later- no complaint >Oversees fan downloads anime- responsible for hurting anime industry ok Yup, the Japanese government should just make a tax on all its citizens for providing access to anime. It should be called Animecare. MAKE JAPAN GREAT AGAIN Na tbh most people who watch it live and like it usually buy it afterwards, that's why shitty shows never sell, and overhyped shows make a shitton of money. c: |
Apr 11, 2016 1:09 AM
#103
eturnity said: Martin said: eturnity said: >Japanese fan uses DVR to record late night anime and watch it later- no complaint >Oversees fan downloads anime- responsible for hurting anime industry ok Yup, the Japanese government should just make a tax on all its citizens for providing access to anime. It should be called Animecare. 1) The TV economics works weirdly. They say that the TV people pay to air long-running shows like Naruto and Detective Conan, but demand payment for late-night anime. Something about the first kind of shows being good for advertising, and the second one being pretty much long advertisements themselves. 2) Yes, state sponsorship of artistic works is a good idea, but there are many concerns about freedom of expression. For reference, in Soviet Union the TV and radio were free but books, music cassettes and cinema tickets were sold for money. Public libraries were also free. Of course, freedom of expression suffered greatly there. |
Apr 11, 2016 5:14 AM
#104
flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: Stop making excuses.Piracy is wrong. Laws are made to protect the people who create the material. Ever heard the word copyright, plagiarism? No matter how much you repeat these words, they don't become true. Of course I know these words. And you are unlikely to come up with an argument that I haven't heard yet. Ever heard the term "mickey mouse protection law"? Also, copyright has nothing to do with plagiarism. Copyright is about torrenting stuff, and plagiarism is about making doujinshi. Copying someone else product to make money is called plagiarism and against the rules. Those illegal anime streaming/downloading use other people product without permission to earn money. If they create their own anime(which is unlikely happening) to generate view, then it won't be problem for anime industry. This can also apply to illegal download. Laws are made to protect original product made by the creator. The creator create the product, so only the creator can make money from it unless the original creator gave permission to other sites to use it to stream anime. People create anime to make money and if other people take your product to make money and you gain nothing from it despite the effort you gone through to create it, that's plagiarism/stealing. As gladisr said, piracy is 100% wrong. Period. Plagiarism is claiming authorship. It has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with reputation. If you don't know even that, you have no place arguing about piracy. Also, copyright laws don't protect the authors. They protect the publishers' wallets. The authors still get to be poor, with most of the money hogged by the producers. And that exactly what illegal streaming/downloading does. Using other people work to earn money without permission from the original creator is equivalent to indirectly claim authorship. They wouldn't use other people's work to earn money if they don't claim authorship. Nevertheless, no matter how you want to view 'plagiarism' or 'copyright', piracy is still wrong. Evangelion is made by Gainax and Hideaki Anno. It doesn't matter whether I'm watching it from a file in a torrent, from an illegal streaming site, or from a DVD signed by Hideaki Anno personally. All these versions contain credits and stuff. Even when I'm watching an AMV (which I downloaded, probably illegally) made from NGE and a russian rock song, they often contain credits page. Which makes them not plagiarism. One can argue that just including "AMV" in the title removes any charges of plagiarism. Also, piracy is still right. Having credit page does not justify piracy though AMV is not really what anime industry would consider as piracy. Piracy is not right at all. No one from the anime industry would agree with you piracy is right. You can't even justify why piracy is right. |
ZapredonApr 11, 2016 5:18 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Apr 11, 2016 5:17 AM
#105
eturnity said: >Japanese fan uses DVR to record late night anime and watch it later- no complaint >Oversees fan downloads anime- responsible for hurting anime industry ok The late night anime are legitimate streaming for the Japanese. They number of people recording the late night anime is recorded I think.Download/streaming from illegitimate sites is not ok. Martin said: eturnity said: But doesn't that technically mean those who watch anime live on TV also hurts the industry cuz no sales?>Japanese fan uses DVR to record late night anime and watch it later- no complaint >Oversees fan downloads anime- responsible for hurting anime industry ok No, those who watch from TV doesn't hurt the industry because they are legitimate streaming just like Crunchy Roll. In illegitimate streaming, the anime industry do not get money while legitimate streaming from CR and TV gives money to the indsutry. |
ZapredonApr 11, 2016 5:39 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Apr 11, 2016 5:32 AM
#106
Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: Stop making excuses.Piracy is wrong. Laws are made to protect the people who create the material. Ever heard the word copyright, plagiarism? No matter how much you repeat these words, they don't become true. Of course I know these words. And you are unlikely to come up with an argument that I haven't heard yet. Ever heard the term "mickey mouse protection law"? Also, copyright has nothing to do with plagiarism. Copyright is about torrenting stuff, and plagiarism is about making doujinshi. Copying someone else product to make money is called plagiarism and against the rules. Those illegal anime streaming/downloading use other people product without permission to earn money. If they create their own anime(which is unlikely happening) to generate view, then it won't be problem for anime industry. This can also apply to illegal download. Laws are made to protect original product made by the creator. The creator create the product, so only the creator can make money from it unless the original creator gave permission to other sites to use it to stream anime. People create anime to make money and if other people take your product to make money and you gain nothing from it despite the effort you gone through to create it, that's plagiarism/stealing. As gladisr said, piracy is 100% wrong. Period. Plagiarism is claiming authorship. It has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with reputation. If you don't know even that, you have no place arguing about piracy. Also, copyright laws don't protect the authors. They protect the publishers' wallets. The authors still get to be poor, with most of the money hogged by the producers. And that exactly what illegal streaming/downloading does. Using other people work to earn money without permission from the original creator is equivalent to indirectly claim authorship. They wouldn't use other people's work to earn money if they don't claim authorship. Nevertheless, no matter how you want to view 'plagiarism' or 'copyright', piracy is still wrong. Evangelion is made by Gainax and Hideaki Anno. It doesn't matter whether I'm watching it from a file in a torrent, from an illegal streaming site, or from a DVD signed by Hideaki Anno personally. All these versions contain credits and stuff. Even when I'm watching an AMV (which I downloaded, probably illegally) made from NGE and a russian rock song, they often contain credits page. Which makes them not plagiarism. One can argue that just including "AMV" in the title removes any charges of plagiarism. Also, piracy is still right. Having credit page does not justify piracy though AMV is not really what anime industry would consider as piracy. Piracy is not right at all. No one from the anime industry would agree with you piracy is right. You can't even justify why piracy is right. Once again. Piracy = breaching copyright. Plagiarism = breaching attribution. These are different crimes, and I consider piracy to be okay, and plagiarism to be wrong. |
Apr 11, 2016 5:37 AM
#107
flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: Stop making excuses.Piracy is wrong. Laws are made to protect the people who create the material. Ever heard the word copyright, plagiarism? No matter how much you repeat these words, they don't become true. Of course I know these words. And you are unlikely to come up with an argument that I haven't heard yet. Ever heard the term "mickey mouse protection law"? Also, copyright has nothing to do with plagiarism. Copyright is about torrenting stuff, and plagiarism is about making doujinshi. Copying someone else product to make money is called plagiarism and against the rules. Those illegal anime streaming/downloading use other people product without permission to earn money. If they create their own anime(which is unlikely happening) to generate view, then it won't be problem for anime industry. This can also apply to illegal download. Laws are made to protect original product made by the creator. The creator create the product, so only the creator can make money from it unless the original creator gave permission to other sites to use it to stream anime. People create anime to make money and if other people take your product to make money and you gain nothing from it despite the effort you gone through to create it, that's plagiarism/stealing. As gladisr said, piracy is 100% wrong. Period. Plagiarism is claiming authorship. It has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with reputation. If you don't know even that, you have no place arguing about piracy. Also, copyright laws don't protect the authors. They protect the publishers' wallets. The authors still get to be poor, with most of the money hogged by the producers. And that exactly what illegal streaming/downloading does. Using other people work to earn money without permission from the original creator is equivalent to indirectly claim authorship. They wouldn't use other people's work to earn money if they don't claim authorship. Nevertheless, no matter how you want to view 'plagiarism' or 'copyright', piracy is still wrong. Evangelion is made by Gainax and Hideaki Anno. It doesn't matter whether I'm watching it from a file in a torrent, from an illegal streaming site, or from a DVD signed by Hideaki Anno personally. All these versions contain credits and stuff. Even when I'm watching an AMV (which I downloaded, probably illegally) made from NGE and a russian rock song, they often contain credits page. Which makes them not plagiarism. One can argue that just including "AMV" in the title removes any charges of plagiarism. Also, piracy is still right. Having credit page does not justify piracy though AMV is not really what anime industry would consider as piracy. Piracy is not right at all. No one from the anime industry would agree with you piracy is right. You can't even justify why piracy is right. Once again. Piracy = breaching copyright. Plagiarism = breaching attribution. These are different crimes, and I consider piracy to be okay, and plagiarism to be wrong. Maybe to you but sadly not the anime industry. Both are wrong to the anime industry. They definitely don't appreciate type of fans such as yourselves. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Apr 11, 2016 5:42 AM
#108
Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: Stop making excuses.Piracy is wrong. Laws are made to protect the people who create the material. Ever heard the word copyright, plagiarism? No matter how much you repeat these words, they don't become true. Of course I know these words. And you are unlikely to come up with an argument that I haven't heard yet. Ever heard the term "mickey mouse protection law"? Also, copyright has nothing to do with plagiarism. Copyright is about torrenting stuff, and plagiarism is about making doujinshi. Copying someone else product to make money is called plagiarism and against the rules. Those illegal anime streaming/downloading use other people product without permission to earn money. If they create their own anime(which is unlikely happening) to generate view, then it won't be problem for anime industry. This can also apply to illegal download. Laws are made to protect original product made by the creator. The creator create the product, so only the creator can make money from it unless the original creator gave permission to other sites to use it to stream anime. People create anime to make money and if other people take your product to make money and you gain nothing from it despite the effort you gone through to create it, that's plagiarism/stealing. As gladisr said, piracy is 100% wrong. Period. Plagiarism is claiming authorship. It has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with reputation. If you don't know even that, you have no place arguing about piracy. Also, copyright laws don't protect the authors. They protect the publishers' wallets. The authors still get to be poor, with most of the money hogged by the producers. And that exactly what illegal streaming/downloading does. Using other people work to earn money without permission from the original creator is equivalent to indirectly claim authorship. They wouldn't use other people's work to earn money if they don't claim authorship. Nevertheless, no matter how you want to view 'plagiarism' or 'copyright', piracy is still wrong. Evangelion is made by Gainax and Hideaki Anno. It doesn't matter whether I'm watching it from a file in a torrent, from an illegal streaming site, or from a DVD signed by Hideaki Anno personally. All these versions contain credits and stuff. Even when I'm watching an AMV (which I downloaded, probably illegally) made from NGE and a russian rock song, they often contain credits page. Which makes them not plagiarism. One can argue that just including "AMV" in the title removes any charges of plagiarism. Also, piracy is still right. Having credit page does not justify piracy though AMV is not really what anime industry would consider as piracy. Piracy is not right at all. No one from the anime industry would agree with you piracy is right. You can't even justify why piracy is right. Once again. Piracy = breaching copyright. Plagiarism = breaching attribution. These are different crimes, and I consider piracy to be okay, and plagiarism to be wrong. Maybe to you but sadly not the anime industry. Both are wrong to the anime industry. They definitely don't appreciate type of fans such as yourselves. Sure. But as anime industry isn't a person, I don't care about its feelings. Well, actually, I would not have cared about its feelings even if it was a person. I'm so mean and edgy. |
Apr 11, 2016 5:43 AM
#109
flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: Stop making excuses.Piracy is wrong. Laws are made to protect the people who create the material. Ever heard the word copyright, plagiarism? No matter how much you repeat these words, they don't become true. Of course I know these words. And you are unlikely to come up with an argument that I haven't heard yet. Ever heard the term "mickey mouse protection law"? Also, copyright has nothing to do with plagiarism. Copyright is about torrenting stuff, and plagiarism is about making doujinshi. Copying someone else product to make money is called plagiarism and against the rules. Those illegal anime streaming/downloading use other people product without permission to earn money. If they create their own anime(which is unlikely happening) to generate view, then it won't be problem for anime industry. This can also apply to illegal download. Laws are made to protect original product made by the creator. The creator create the product, so only the creator can make money from it unless the original creator gave permission to other sites to use it to stream anime. People create anime to make money and if other people take your product to make money and you gain nothing from it despite the effort you gone through to create it, that's plagiarism/stealing. As gladisr said, piracy is 100% wrong. Period. Plagiarism is claiming authorship. It has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with reputation. If you don't know even that, you have no place arguing about piracy. Also, copyright laws don't protect the authors. They protect the publishers' wallets. The authors still get to be poor, with most of the money hogged by the producers. And that exactly what illegal streaming/downloading does. Using other people work to earn money without permission from the original creator is equivalent to indirectly claim authorship. They wouldn't use other people's work to earn money if they don't claim authorship. Nevertheless, no matter how you want to view 'plagiarism' or 'copyright', piracy is still wrong. Evangelion is made by Gainax and Hideaki Anno. It doesn't matter whether I'm watching it from a file in a torrent, from an illegal streaming site, or from a DVD signed by Hideaki Anno personally. All these versions contain credits and stuff. Even when I'm watching an AMV (which I downloaded, probably illegally) made from NGE and a russian rock song, they often contain credits page. Which makes them not plagiarism. One can argue that just including "AMV" in the title removes any charges of plagiarism. Also, piracy is still right. Having credit page does not justify piracy though AMV is not really what anime industry would consider as piracy. Piracy is not right at all. No one from the anime industry would agree with you piracy is right. You can't even justify why piracy is right. Once again. Piracy = breaching copyright. Plagiarism = breaching attribution. These are different crimes, and I consider piracy to be okay, and plagiarism to be wrong. Maybe to you but sadly not the anime industry. Both are wrong to the anime industry. They definitely don't appreciate type of fans such as yourselves. Sure. But as anime industry isn't a person, I don't care about its feelings. Well, actually, I would not have cared about its feelings even if it was a person. I'm so mean and edgy. Anime industry consists of many people working there. Well, at least you admit you are not a good anime fan. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Apr 11, 2016 6:20 AM
#110
Nah. It would just go to shit like Netflix. Some things aren't worth it even for free. Regional policies, target marketing etc. I rather booze in the park. |
Apr 11, 2016 9:17 AM
#111
flannan said: You must be living in a first-world country. I'm not. It's always fine to steal from the rich and give to the poor. Doubly so when the rich don't lose anything, because illegal copying isn't stealing. Anime industries barely earn more money than they put into making show, they are not rich. You really need to educate yourself because most of what you say is wrong or illogical. |
Apr 11, 2016 9:28 AM
#112
ModeratelyHuman said: flannan said: You must be living in a first-world country. I'm not. It's always fine to steal from the rich and give to the poor. Doubly so when the rich don't lose anything, because illegal copying isn't stealing. Anime industries barely earn more money than they put into making show, they are not rich. That's a normal state of a saturated market. If they were raking in a lot of money, they would've expanded until they stopped raking in a lot of money. I know this can be controversial, but would have preferred it if they paid their workers more, even at the cost of making less shows. But giving them more money isn't going to help the workers. ModeratelyHuman said: You really need to educate yourself because most of what you say is wrong or illogical. I have a fine education, and some self-education on top of that. It's just that I don't believe in capitalist propaganda, and find some aspects of capitalism alien. About as alien as an ordinary capitalist finds libertarian ideas (private law enforcement?? wtf??). |
Apr 11, 2016 9:36 AM
#113
flannan said: ModeratelyHuman said: flannan said: You must be living in a first-world country. I'm not. It's always fine to steal from the rich and give to the poor. Doubly so when the rich don't lose anything, because illegal copying isn't stealing. Anime industries barely earn more money than they put into making show, they are not rich. That's a normal state of a saturated market. If they were raking in a lot of money, they would've expanded until they stopped raking in a lot of money. I know this can be controversial, but would have preferred it if they paid their workers more, even at the cost of making less shows. But giving them more money isn't going to help the workers. ModeratelyHuman said: You really need to educate yourself because most of what you say is wrong or illogical. I have a fine education, and some self-education on top of that. It's just that I don't believe in capitalist propaganda, and find some aspects of capitalism alien. About as alien as an ordinary capitalist finds libertarian ideas (private law enforcement?? wtf??). MASHiRO-Manga said: I think this is a good summary of your character.At this point you're either a troll, or severely delusional. |
Apr 11, 2016 9:38 AM
#114
Seriously, "Free Streaming" will be the solution? Are you kidding me? That would "hurt" the anime industry even more! It's obvious that most those people who uses pirate sites doesn't have money to buy products or a subscription. Paying for goods and subscriptions are fine. But the main problem are those companies are racist bastards! Maybe they are doing it because $$$ or their currency was now having a low value versus other currencies. But they should know that most anime and related products are from Asian Territories/Countries. And not just weeaboos in the Western Regions! (USA, Canada, Europe) |
Haters always gonna hate. But they are all dumb asses who always love to bother unnecessarily. "Spread the Hate, Spread the Idiocy." |
Apr 11, 2016 9:47 AM
#115
ModeratelyHuman said: MASHiRO-Manga said: I think this is a good summary of your character.At this point you're either a troll, or severely delusional. Thinking outside the box is nice and fun. Having my own opinion is my duty as a citizen. |
Apr 11, 2016 11:49 AM
#116
Martin said: eturnity said: But doesn't that technically mean those who watch anime live on TV also hurts the industry cuz no sales?>Japanese fan uses DVR to record late night anime and watch it later- no complaint >Oversees fan downloads anime- responsible for hurting anime industry ok Depends, if you are watch a primetime anime then disc sales don't matter much and in some cases like with Aikatsu, Precure, and Pripara they only need less than 500 disc sales to get by. |
Apr 11, 2016 1:08 PM
#117
Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: Stop making excuses.Piracy is wrong. Laws are made to protect the people who create the material. Ever heard the word copyright, plagiarism? No matter how much you repeat these words, they don't become true. Of course I know these words. And you are unlikely to come up with an argument that I haven't heard yet. Ever heard the term "mickey mouse protection law"? Also, copyright has nothing to do with plagiarism. Copyright is about torrenting stuff, and plagiarism is about making doujinshi. Copying someone else product to make money is called plagiarism and against the rules. Those illegal anime streaming/downloading use other people product without permission to earn money. If they create their own anime(which is unlikely happening) to generate view, then it won't be problem for anime industry. This can also apply to illegal download. Laws are made to protect original product made by the creator. The creator create the product, so only the creator can make money from it unless the original creator gave permission to other sites to use it to stream anime. People create anime to make money and if other people take your product to make money and you gain nothing from it despite the effort you gone through to create it, that's plagiarism/stealing. As gladisr said, piracy is 100% wrong. Period. Plagiarism is claiming authorship. It has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with reputation. If you don't know even that, you have no place arguing about piracy. Also, copyright laws don't protect the authors. They protect the publishers' wallets. The authors still get to be poor, with most of the money hogged by the producers. And that exactly what illegal streaming/downloading does. Using other people work to earn money without permission from the original creator is equivalent to indirectly claim authorship. They wouldn't use other people's work to earn money if they don't claim authorship. Nevertheless, no matter how you want to view 'plagiarism' or 'copyright', piracy is still wrong. Evangelion is made by Gainax and Hideaki Anno. It doesn't matter whether I'm watching it from a file in a torrent, from an illegal streaming site, or from a DVD signed by Hideaki Anno personally. All these versions contain credits and stuff. Even when I'm watching an AMV (which I downloaded, probably illegally) made from NGE and a russian rock song, they often contain credits page. Which makes them not plagiarism. One can argue that just including "AMV" in the title removes any charges of plagiarism. Also, piracy is still right. Having credit page does not justify piracy though AMV is not really what anime industry would consider as piracy. Piracy is not right at all. No one from the anime industry would agree with you piracy is right. You can't even justify why piracy is right. Once again. Piracy = breaching copyright. Plagiarism = breaching attribution. These are different crimes, and I consider piracy to be okay, and plagiarism to be wrong. Maybe to you but sadly not the anime industry. Both are wrong to the anime industry. They definitely don't appreciate type of fans such as yourselves. I'm sure they do appreciate it when I buy dozens of manga and other merchandise every month. Without piracy I couldn't buy that merchandise - because I probably wouldn't watch anime at all, as legal companies don't provide anime to my country. There are millions of anime fans in countries with region locks, and I think the industry would be hurt much more if piracy didn't exist and those people didn't watch anime/buy merchandise. Of course Crunchyroll will complain because they only care about their own subscriptions, and the hard-headed businessmen in Japan will complain because it's easier to look at those inaccurate numbers in the article and say "piracy is destroying us!" rather than seeing the big picture. But the truth is that anime would never become this big outside Japan without piracy, piracy is still the only means to see most anime/manga series in a big part of Asia/Europe, and it has made the anime industry much more popular in the world. |
JinbouApr 11, 2016 4:42 PM
Apr 11, 2016 1:50 PM
#118
I think it is a really complicated problem, but if they tried to do something about accessibility, I don't think it would be as bad as it is right now. A Netflix like site would probably help at a price people can't really complain about. EDIT Piracy has made Game of Thrones a giant. I think a lot of people falsely believe that piracy is more damaging than it actually is. |
RhaeserysApr 11, 2016 2:03 PM
"Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time." |
Apr 11, 2016 3:14 PM
#119
Anime makes money from a small dedicated group buying the blurays. Piracy doesn't really matter. Hell piracy helps with selling merch, books and videogames. |
Apr 11, 2016 3:25 PM
#120
ExTamplier said: eturnity said: I am yet to see a laptop hdmi that actually outputs hd quality instead of pisspoor image from ps2 era.ExTamplier said: eturnity said: please, no one buys blurays to watch on their laptop, unless the screen is like 55 inch.ExTamplier said: pretty sure he can download and play subtitle files on his laptop assuming it has a blu ray drive.How are you going to watch it without english dub? p.s. laptops have disk drives? This does not make sense. Most laptops have a GPU that can easily handle anime. MPC-BE delivers a much better product on my TV than Crunchy ever could. |
Apr 11, 2016 3:40 PM
#121
this guy so much. he knows what he's talking about it. if you make rules you should only expect it to be run over, especially on the internet. by taking those rules out there's nothing lost. perfect solution. |
TyrelApr 11, 2016 8:26 PM
Apr 11, 2016 3:50 PM
#122
this wouldnt ever work with something like Crunchyroll that is American; if the Japanese had their own streaming service that multiple studios invested in, it could be a lot safer business-wise and it would be easier to get it free |
Freddy Nicholas said: have control, be yourself, god is dead |
Apr 11, 2016 4:09 PM
#123
The people that think piracy is not wrong obviously don't put themselves in the shoes of the creator(mangaka or whatever) that works his ass of just so some people can steal him of his living. There was some H mangaka complaining about how he couldn't make money since his work is pirated and he was quitting if nothing was done(he didn't really quit but it must be frustrating when you work hard to earn nothing) Mangaka are no where near as well paid as people think |
Apr 11, 2016 4:22 PM
#124
Certain brain dead fools don't seem to know the definition of 'plagiarism', 'piracy', and 'theft'. Plagiarism: the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. Theft: the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it Piracy: the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work. Now that we know the definitions of these words, we can proceed. Piracy doesn't affect sales as much as people claim it does, in some cases it even helps. Here is why. People who watch anime illegally, generally has no other way to watch it legally in the first place. Or maybe he does have the option, but doesn't agree with the price itself so he would never buy it in the first place. This is why pirated copies are not equal to loss in sales. They would not earn that money even if there was no piracy. And here is why piracy can be beneficial. We've already established that pirated copies =/= loss in sales. That way, piracy can also function as a form of advertisement. People who refuse to buy anime because they don't know whether they like it or not may start liking it, and end up buying the product. People who can't watch anime for free may decide to buy the source material instead, since light novels and mangas are much cheaper than DVDs. This is how piracy can be beneficial towards sales. Certain idiots also bring up the moral aspect of piracy, screaming that "Piracy is wrong!". Here is why that is bullshit. There are no universal moral system, what you belíve to be right or wrong is completely irrelevant towards other people. In short, right and wrong are subjective. But we do need an objective way to decide whether something is wrong or not, or it will be just a flamewar. We can decide it based on the laws, but which countries laws? Personally I prefer the "The probability of getting caught in 1st world countries for the crime". Let's see, if you murder someone, you are almost guaranteed to get caught. For theft, it depends on the value. So we can say that the probability of getting caught is proportional towards the seriousness of the 'crime'. If you have at least a single working brain cell, you already know where I'm going with this. Even though most countries see piracy as a crime, people still rarely get caught. You are far more likely to get caught for public urination, than for piracy. Therefore piracy is the least serious "crime". |
Apr 11, 2016 4:56 PM
#125
Feniksrises said: hdmi porn in most laptops is really bad, so when you connect to tv it looks like shitExTamplier said: eturnity said: ExTamplier said: you don't use your laptop as a media hub? a laptop with hdmi cable connected to tv is probably the best way to watch tv.eturnity said: please, no one buys blurays to watch on their laptop, unless the screen is like 55 inch.ExTamplier said: pretty sure he can download and play subtitle files on his laptop assuming it has a blu ray drive.How are you going to watch it without english dub? p.s. laptops have disk drives? This does not make sense. Most laptops have a GPU that can easily handle anime. MPC-BE delivers a much better product on my TV than Crunchy ever could. |
Apr 11, 2016 5:03 PM
#126
ExTamplier said: Feniksrises said: hdmi porn in most laptops is really bad, so when you connect to tv it looks like shitExTamplier said: eturnity said: I am yet to see a laptop hdmi that actually outputs hd quality instead of pisspoor image from ps2 era.ExTamplier said: you don't use your laptop as a media hub? a laptop with hdmi cable connected to tv is probably the best way to watch tv.eturnity said: please, no one buys blurays to watch on their laptop, unless the screen is like 55 inch.ExTamplier said: pretty sure he can download and play subtitle files on his laptop assuming it has a blu ray drive.How are you going to watch it without english dub? p.s. laptops have disk drives? This does not make sense. Most laptops have a GPU that can easily handle anime. MPC-BE delivers a much better product on my TV than Crunchy ever could. Your laptop maybe The laptop in our house (bought in 2010 I think) works fine with HDMI when we connect it to our 1080p tv. |
Apr 11, 2016 5:26 PM
#127
Valaskjalf said: I saw many laptops with bad hdmi image.ExTamplier said: Feniksrises said: ExTamplier said: eturnity said: I am yet to see a laptop hdmi that actually outputs hd quality instead of pisspoor image from ps2 era.ExTamplier said: you don't use your laptop as a media hub? a laptop with hdmi cable connected to tv is probably the best way to watch tv.eturnity said: please, no one buys blurays to watch on their laptop, unless the screen is like 55 inch.ExTamplier said: pretty sure he can download and play subtitle files on his laptop assuming it has a blu ray drive.How are you going to watch it without english dub? p.s. laptops have disk drives? This does not make sense. Most laptops have a GPU that can easily handle anime. MPC-BE delivers a much better product on my TV than Crunchy ever could. Your laptop maybe The laptop in our house (bought in 2010 I think) works fine with HDMI when we connect it to our 1080p tv. |
Apr 11, 2016 5:44 PM
#128
Malarkey said: if the Japanese had their own streaming service that multiple studios invested in, it could be a lot safer business-wise and it would be easier to get it free This already exists. It's called Daisuki. I watched OPM there and the quality was excellent. But yeah, it has ads, so people don't use it. ERASED is in there, by the way. |
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Apr 11, 2016 6:03 PM
#129
just saying like u can get a chrome app that gives u access to the full US crunchyroll library |
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Apr 11, 2016 6:07 PM
#130
I do not live in Japan nor do I have the funds to buy those overpriced blue rays.... if i did I would. |
Apr 11, 2016 7:15 PM
#131
Jinbou said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: flannan said: Zapredon said: Stop making excuses.Piracy is wrong. Laws are made to protect the people who create the material. Ever heard the word copyright, plagiarism? No matter how much you repeat these words, they don't become true. Of course I know these words. And you are unlikely to come up with an argument that I haven't heard yet. Ever heard the term "mickey mouse protection law"? Also, copyright has nothing to do with plagiarism. Copyright is about torrenting stuff, and plagiarism is about making doujinshi. Copying someone else product to make money is called plagiarism and against the rules. Those illegal anime streaming/downloading use other people product without permission to earn money. If they create their own anime(which is unlikely happening) to generate view, then it won't be problem for anime industry. This can also apply to illegal download. Laws are made to protect original product made by the creator. The creator create the product, so only the creator can make money from it unless the original creator gave permission to other sites to use it to stream anime. People create anime to make money and if other people take your product to make money and you gain nothing from it despite the effort you gone through to create it, that's plagiarism/stealing. As gladisr said, piracy is 100% wrong. Period. Plagiarism is claiming authorship. It has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with reputation. If you don't know even that, you have no place arguing about piracy. Also, copyright laws don't protect the authors. They protect the publishers' wallets. The authors still get to be poor, with most of the money hogged by the producers. And that exactly what illegal streaming/downloading does. Using other people work to earn money without permission from the original creator is equivalent to indirectly claim authorship. They wouldn't use other people's work to earn money if they don't claim authorship. Nevertheless, no matter how you want to view 'plagiarism' or 'copyright', piracy is still wrong. Evangelion is made by Gainax and Hideaki Anno. It doesn't matter whether I'm watching it from a file in a torrent, from an illegal streaming site, or from a DVD signed by Hideaki Anno personally. All these versions contain credits and stuff. Even when I'm watching an AMV (which I downloaded, probably illegally) made from NGE and a russian rock song, they often contain credits page. Which makes them not plagiarism. One can argue that just including "AMV" in the title removes any charges of plagiarism. Also, piracy is still right. Having credit page does not justify piracy though AMV is not really what anime industry would consider as piracy. Piracy is not right at all. No one from the anime industry would agree with you piracy is right. You can't even justify why piracy is right. Once again. Piracy = breaching copyright. Plagiarism = breaching attribution. These are different crimes, and I consider piracy to be okay, and plagiarism to be wrong. Maybe to you but sadly not the anime industry. Both are wrong to the anime industry. They definitely don't appreciate type of fans such as yourselves. I'm sure they do appreciate it when I buy dozens of manga and other merchandise every month. Without piracy I couldn't buy that merchandise - because I probably wouldn't watch anime at all, as legal companies don't provide anime to my country. There are millions of anime fans in countries with region locks, and I think the industry would be hurt much more if piracy didn't exist and those people didn't watch anime/buy merchandise. Of course Crunchyroll will complain because they only care about their own subscriptions, and the hard-headed businessmen in Japan will complain because it's easier to look at those inaccurate numbers in the article and say "piracy is destroying us!" rather than seeing the big picture. But the truth is that anime would never become this big outside Japan without piracy, piracy is still the only means to see most anime/manga series in a big part of Asia/Europe, and it has made the anime industry much more popular in the world. Wrong. Japan don't appreciate it. Manga publisher also work together with anime studio and condemn piracy. The number of loss as a result of piracy is still bigger than number of gain in due to piracy. Beside, most anime profit still come from Japan, not overseas. Anime bluray are indeed expensive but what about subscription for CR for example? Are most anime fan jobless and rely on government aid? I even paid for my WWE Network for their PPV. Just look at the success of WWE. WWE reported record highs in WWE Network subscribers and total revenue Thursday as part of the release of its 2015 fourth-quarter results. According to WWE's earnings release, 2015 ended with 1.22 million paid subscribers to the WWE Network, which was a 49 percent increase from the previous year. It also reached a high-water mark of 1.24 million at one point during the fourth quarter. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2615821-wwe-reveals-paid-network-subscribers-2015-revenue-more-in-4th-quarter-results Why can't we anime fan support anime just like wrestling fan. Vince Mcmahon is laughing now while anime industry is well, not doing well. cookies0 said: Now that we know the definitions of these words, we can proceed. Piracy doesn't affect sales as much as people claim it does, in some cases it even helps. Here is why. People who watch anime illegally, generally has no other way to watch it legally in the first place. Or maybe he does have the option, but doesn't agree with the price itself so he would never buy it in the first place. This is why pirated copies are not equal to loss in sales. They would not earn that money even if there was no piracy. And here is why piracy can be beneficial. We've already established that pirated copies =/= loss in sales. That way, piracy can also function as a form of advertisement. People who refuse to buy anime because they don't know whether they like it or not may start liking it, and end up buying the product. People who can't watch anime for free may decide to buy the source material instead, since light novels and mangas are much cheaper than DVDs. This is how piracy can be beneficial towards sales. Many people doesn't know if they will like Batman vs Superman or not but still watch it in cinema. I don't understand the second part. If they can't watch anime for free but decided to buy the source material, doesn't that mean there's no point in having illegal streaming sites in the first place? Certain idiots also bring up the moral aspect of piracy, screaming that "Piracy is wrong!". Here is why that is bullshit. There are no universal moral system, what you belíve to be right or wrong is completely irrelevant towards other people. In short, right and wrong are subjective. But we do need an objective way to decide whether something is wrong or not, or it will be just a flamewar. We can decide it based on the laws, but which countries laws? Personally I prefer the "The probability of getting caught in 1st world countries for the crime". Let's see, if you murder someone, you are almost guaranteed to get caught. For theft, it depends on the value. So we can say that the probability of getting caught is proportional towards the seriousness of the 'crime'. If you have at least a single working brain cell, you already know where I'm going with this. Even though most countries see piracy as a crime, people still rarely get caught. You are far more likely to get caught for public urination, than for piracy. Therefore piracy is the least serious "crime". Piracy is indeed the least serious crime. Does that mean illegal piracy should be let go? Nah. Japan has sign TPP with, does anyone know if TPP is going to affect internet download? http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/25/acitivists-call-on-trudeau-to-defend-canada-s-copyright-regime-from-tpp-changes_n_8384466.html Just one very personal questions I would like to ask all anime fan here.How much is your salary? I earn 6 figure salary annually. I also paid WWE Network for their PPV. Are you guys jobless or unemployed? Is the stereotype that anime fan consists of people living in their mom basement is true,hence the social stigma? |
ZapredonApr 11, 2016 10:49 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Apr 11, 2016 7:23 PM
#132
Yup, free streaming will totally solve the piracy problem Totally |
Apr 11, 2016 7:37 PM
#133
earnshaw30 said: just saying like u can get a chrome app that gives u access to the full US crunchyroll library wait.. theres an app.. for Chrome? TELL ME MORE |
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Apr 11, 2016 8:02 PM
#134
Malarkey said: earnshaw30 said: just saying like u can get a chrome app that gives u access to the full US crunchyroll library wait.. theres an app.. for Chrome? TELL ME MORE https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/crunchyroll-unblocker/dldddkdajilplfikaadakojgjocbnjim?hl=en-GB |
SWFC We're all Wednesday arent we? |
Apr 11, 2016 8:18 PM
#135
They are losing money on sales that never existed in the first place. HA! Call me when Japan stops implementing geoblocking on everything, even freaking PVs and trailers. And for the record, excluding exports, a Southeast Asian market for anime DVDs and online streaming never existed in the first place. Odex is almost non-existent and Crunchyroll has zero licenses for SEA. The only haven is anime on cable and it doesn't cover everything. |
Apr 11, 2016 9:45 PM
#136
the Anime companies don't value their foreign fans, they only care about the Japanese fans who watch the tv and buy the dvds and merchandise. If you are buying stuff imported only a tiny fraction of the money you pay out will get back to the anime production company. Foreign fans alone certainly aren't going to mean a new season of something is made. |
Apr 11, 2016 10:18 PM
#137
Eturnity said: The Japanese industry chooses to allow Japanese viewers access to TV broadcasts. The same cannot be said for unauthorized downloads. And the "it's just like Japanese TV" line wouldn't justify downloads of movies, OVAs, or DVD/BD versions of TV series.>Japanese fan uses DVR to record late night anime and watch it later- no complaint >Overseas fan downloads anime- responsible for hurting anime industry Wrathfulram said: If only you lived in an area where more affordable, legal releases were available. But I guess "Washington State" must be a case like Georgia, where it's the name of a US state and a small Eastern European country or something.I do not live in Japan nor do I have the funds to buy those overpriced blue rays.... if i did I would. siccoyte said: the Anime companies don't value their foreign fans "Lots of people on foreign message boards say this, so it must be true!" Talk about circular, or was that circlejerk, logic... Feniksrises said: And if that small dedicated group shrinks, loses its dedication, or goes away in a country plagued by recessions and low birthrates? What then? Anime makes money from a small dedicated group buying the blurays. Piracy doesn't really matter. Hell piracy helps with selling merch, books and videogames. Also, it's not like books and video games can't be pirated. And while merch can't be downloaded, it's often not available outside Japan for all but the most mainstream series... which means that it's often bootleggers who're the ones selling it to overseas fans. |
Apr 11, 2016 10:58 PM
#138
earnshaw30 said: Malarkey said: earnshaw30 said: just saying like u can get a chrome app that gives u access to the full US crunchyroll library wait.. theres an app.. for Chrome? TELL ME MORE https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/crunchyroll-unblocker/dldddkdajilplfikaadakojgjocbnjim?hl=en-GB aw damn I live in the US and still cant watch Barakamon |
Freddy Nicholas said: have control, be yourself, god is dead |
Apr 12, 2016 12:36 AM
#139
Many people doesn't know if they will like Batman vs Superman or not but still watch it in cinema. I don't understand the second part. If they can't watch anime for free but decided to buy the source material, doesn't that mean there's no point in having illegal streaming sites in the first place? 1. And a lot of people don't watch it. Also, a movie ticket is far cheaper (not overpriced) than a DVD box set. 2. I believe it's pretty obvious, even if the way I said it was grammatically wrong or confusing. Mostly someone who buys the source material (manga,light novel, visual novel) comes in contact with the anime adaption because of the availability of illegal streaming. In short, if there was no illegal streaming most people who buy raw mang/ln/etc. wouldn't know of their existence. Piracy is indeed the least serious crime. Does that mean illegal piracy should be let go? Nah. There is no "should" and "shouldn't" here, people will watch things illegally even if you complain about it. So please go play the 'Hero of Justice' somewhere else, I know that this is an anime related website, but you are going too far with your chuunibyou. |
Apr 12, 2016 12:51 AM
#140
Malarkey said: earnshaw30 said: Malarkey said: earnshaw30 said: just saying like u can get a chrome app that gives u access to the full US crunchyroll library wait.. theres an app.. for Chrome? TELL ME MORE https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/crunchyroll-unblocker/dldddkdajilplfikaadakojgjocbnjim?hl=en-GB aw damn I live in the US and still cant watch Barakamon I need to try this once I get back. No Drrr or Barakamon streams here... They really shouldn't block countries if said country has no other licensor. They can easily reblock once a licensor/tv gets a show. Saw a Daisuke interview, that they're not trying to compete with CR etc, and they're just happy to have more legal viewers instead of illegal. Mal's Watch tab is going in the right direction. Combining Hulu, CR, & Daisuke's free streams so most folks can easily/legally watch with ad support. It's fairly recent, and stream doesn't have all shows tho. I prefer dl, easier to rewatch, screencap etc (bandwidth cost money). I might try streams again to see if they're better now. |
Apr 12, 2016 1:13 AM
#141
lol What "crisis"? CODA is an association of major Japanese contents holders and copyright-related organizations established in 2002 to cooperate to reduce piracy of Japanese contents around the world. So this is like when MPAA said that Megaupload was making them lose $500M because they so. The estimated total damage amount was calculated from the companies' revenues of their Japanese contents that were officially licensed overseas. Riiiiight. CODA says in the report, "We are looking to expand our efforts to implement effective measures against copyright infringement in foreign counties and to establish environment for the legitimate products' distribution routes." Try 'distributing' it without region locks, that might help. |
Apr 12, 2016 4:31 AM
#142
Apr 12, 2016 6:02 AM
#143
j0x said: and also they should remove that stupid geoblocking (region restriction policy) Daisuki is on the right track but they need more anime releases and remove geoblocking damn fkng straight! fkn Youtube too like WTF MAN!? WHATS THE POINT!? |
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Apr 12, 2016 9:04 AM
#144
I'd support legal streams but they can't even get THAT right. We have free legal anime streaming here in germany. Clipfish offers a few complete shows but you have to watch 2 30 second ads and the video player crashes in 80% of all cases after watching the ads and it says "Couldn't load the stream". You have to watch 2 ads again after refreshing the page. How come that the ads load fast and fine but the actual content is unavailable most of the time? Crunchyroll is no alternative because we get only a dozen shows for the same price as the US. Almost all US shows are blocked. And EVERY sub has at least 2 typos. I can understand that in fansubs but for something that I'm supposted to pay for? No way! Get the free streaming right and I'd consider going legal. I don't hurt the industry as long as only noobs like them license shows. |
Apr 12, 2016 10:16 AM
#145
Streaming is objectively the best. Torrents make my brain hurt bad |
Apr 12, 2016 12:49 PM
#146
Right. Like I said in the 'Funimation subs are cancer' thread, anime studios could make their own streaming sites that are region-free and ad or Patreon supported, or they could come together to make one site to stream everyone's shows. And they could hire some of the talented fansubbers to do the subs. This is such an obvious solution. |
Apr 16, 2016 8:30 AM
#147
siccoyote said: Foreign fans alone certainly aren't going to mean a new season of something is made. There several shows like that, the current one is the FLCL sequel. If they properly tap into the streaming market, international sales alone can fund hundreds of series. |
Apr 16, 2016 9:06 AM
#148
Free Streaming Blowing Up KissAnime Is The Solution To The Anime Piracy Crisis. Kind of joking, but really, at a point when you allow internet piracy to become so organized and accessible, its absurd. |
Apr 16, 2016 9:24 AM
#149
step 1. provide a legal alternative for watching all the currently airing series online for free, instead of only a few spread across different services step 2. make dvds and bds affordable. hardly anyone will buy the disks if they cost a few hundred to even a thousand bucks. i wish i was exaggerating. i'm not. (bd disks that need to be imported are incredible expensive, and that's not even considering the fee for importing the disks) there will still be piracy, but if they did steps 1 and 2, people would have less reason to pirate. and people who are put-away by the cost of the disks might actually buy them. |
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Apr 16, 2016 11:02 AM
#150
zombie_pegasus said: Doesn't Crunchyroll already do that? How many people watch Crunchyroll for free? No one in Canada because Crunchyroll hates them. |
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