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Mar 16, 2016 4:08 AM
#1
I'm sorry but this confuses me. SOOOOO many people that I have met, have said that they hate anime. They say they don't see the point in it and think it's stupid. But then they love cartoons like fairy god parents. How the hell? Anime is pretty much cartoons but we better graphics! What do you guys think? If you understand why people say this, please explain it to me ;-; |
Mar 16, 2016 4:10 AM
#2
I've never heard that in my life . It's usually the other way around. |
Mar 16, 2016 4:11 AM
#3
Never heard of that. I mean, I've known stoners who only watch stoner shows like sponge bob, but I don't know anyone who likes only cartoons, but dislikes anime. |
Mar 16, 2016 4:16 AM
#4
Maybe they just don't like the eastern storytelling manner, also, they might just have had a bad experience with anime, because they saw something bad about anime on the internet. Normally, these people are also very afraid of leaving their comfort zones, and compliment western cartoons, because they grew up watching them. I don't understand it at all, of course, but just some theories :3 |
Mar 16, 2016 4:17 AM
#5
That's the first time I've heard "better graphics" used in favour of anime over Western animation. Really? |
Mar 16, 2016 4:25 AM
#7
Tozzy said: That's the first time I've heard "better graphics" used in favour of anime over Western animation. Really? Yes, really. Isn't Mai-sempai prettier than Sponge Bob? |
Mar 16, 2016 4:25 AM
#8
YaDiNotes said: I as well.anime and cartoons.. hmm i like both of them. ........................... |
Mar 16, 2016 4:33 AM
#9
The closest I got was people who bash anime like hell but fawn over Disney animated movies like Frozen. |
Mar 16, 2016 4:36 AM
#10
Maylis said: I'm sorry but this confuses me. SOOOOO many people that I have met, have said that they hate anime. They say they don't see the point in it and think it's stupid. But then they love cartoons like fairy god parents. How the hell? Anime is pretty much cartoons but we better graphics! What do you guys think? If you understand why people say this, please explain it to me ;-; Because they assume Anime is Pokemon, and Yugioh. But I have not heard this in a long time, since I am no longer in School with a bunch of close minded kids. Kids changed their mind when DBZ became cool, and Akira was seen. Basically exposure is the problem. |
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Mar 16, 2016 4:36 AM
#11
Anime is a type of cartoon So those people are just idiots who don't know how 2 definition |
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Mar 16, 2016 4:37 AM
#12
flannan said: Isn't DCAU Supergirl prettier than Shin Chan.Tozzy said: That's the first time I've heard "better graphics" used in favour of anime over Western animation. Really? Yes, really. Isn't Mai-sempai prettier than Sponge Bob? |
Mar 16, 2016 4:40 AM
#13
DrGeroCreation said: flannan said: Isn't DCAU Supergirl prettier than Shin Chan.Tozzy said: That's the first time I've heard "better graphics" used in favour of anime over Western animation. Really? Yes, really. Isn't Mai-sempai prettier than Sponge Bob? From my experience with western cartoons, anime characters are a lot more likely to look realistic enough to be attractive. |
Mar 16, 2016 4:42 AM
#14
Khaosman-ADVENT said: This is just too common.The closest I got was people who bash anime like hell but fawn over Disney animated movies like Frozen. Worse if they circlejerk shit like Minions. |
Mar 16, 2016 4:46 AM
#15
flannan said: DC superhero cartoons are far more realistic looking because the characters have actual noses , lips and more normal eyes. I find animated DC superheroines to be far more attractive than anime girls even though there are anime girls I find attractive. However I don't think looking realistic has anything to do with attraction considering a lot of fans like moe girl characters who look extremely unrealistic with super huge eyes and blobby faces.DrGeroCreation said: flannan said: Tozzy said: That's the first time I've heard "better graphics" used in favour of anime over Western animation. Really? Yes, really. Isn't Mai-sempai prettier than Sponge Bob? From my experience with western cartoons, anime characters are a lot more likely to look realistic enough to be attractive. |
DrGeroCreationMar 16, 2016 5:01 AM
Mar 16, 2016 4:51 AM
#16
flannan said: From my experience with western cartoons, anime characters are a lot more likely to look realistic enough to be attractive. Rarely. If it's a show like Cowboy Bebop for example, Faye Valentine is realistic-looking and able to emote. Most anime on the other hand, tend to take shortcuts with their characters. That's why you see eyes that don't blink, really tiny noses and worst of all, SIDE-MOUTHS!!! |
Mar 16, 2016 4:57 AM
#17
Maylis said: I'm sorry but this confuses me. SOOOOO many people that I have met, have said that they hate anime. They say they don't see the point in it and think it's stupid. But then they love cartoons like fairy god parents. How the hell? Anime is pretty much cartoons but we better graphics! What do you guys think? If you understand why people say this, please explain it to me ;-; I have a twin brother who watches cartoons but pretty much hates all anime. He just doesn't like all the cliches and tropes it has in it, and that's perfectly understandable, anime is pretty damn weird after all. Also the show is called "Fairly Odd Parents" you might at least get the name right first. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:01 AM
#18
While western cartoons and anime is basically the same type of medium, majority of western cartoons deal with shitty genres (stuff for kids, Disney fairy-tale crap, superhero crap, dumb comedy stuff etc.). Anime on the other hand has much more range in terms of genre. So when people say they prefer either one, they are actually thinking about this aspect. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:04 AM
#19
DrGeroCreation said: DC superhero cartoons are far more realistic looking because the characters have actual noses , lips and more normal eyes. I find animated DC superheroines to be far more attractive than anime girls even though there are anime girls I find attractive. However I don't think looking realistic has anything to do with attraction considering a lot of fans like moe girl characters who look extremely unrealistic with super huge eyes and blobby faces. Khaosman-ADVENT said: Rarely. If it's a show like Cowboy Bebop for example, Faye Valentine is realistic-looking and able to emote. Most anime on the other hand, tend to take shortcuts with their characters. That's why you see eyes that don't blink, really tiny noses and worst of all, SIDE-MOUTHS!!! On the other hand, I tend to find most anime girls attractive-looking (of course, some are more attractive than others), while a lot of western cartoons are filled with nonhumans with a very low degree of anthropomorphism, or are just drawn badly, like Simpsons or South Park. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:07 AM
#20
Boils down to ignorance, most likely. People will have preconceived notions of what anime is (only for kids, only for perverts, etc) which puts them off trying it. They might have seen people arguing about them online too. "Wow, look at all these weaboos" and whatever other crap that comes to mind. It's a silly reason but people might be put off by the fans of anime. And then there's just the whole business of many anime being nothing more than a bunch of reused clichés and tropes. If people haven't seen much anime but they were all the same sorta genre and followed the same patterns, it could lead one to believe that all anime are the same. So really, the only people who would say that they dislike anime but like cartoons are those who've barely even watched any anime. |
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Mar 16, 2016 5:09 AM
#21
anobaka said: Yeah I guess some people wouldn't want to deal with boring loser character having girls fall all over him for non reason, huge eyed little girls in school just drinking tea and doing nothing, guy getting stuck in game world for the billionth time.So when people say they prefer either one, they are actually thinking about this aspect. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:09 AM
#22
I have never heard anything like that, you must know some special people or I just don't know enough who watch(ed) both. I think anime is better, because most of them has an actual plot and characters that are interesting, compared to various cartoons that usually caters towards children quite often (SpongeBob and so on) though there are probably also some serious ones I don't know of. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:10 AM
#23
-Maz said: Boils down to ignorance, most likely. People will have preconceived notions of what anime is (only for kids, only for perverts, etc) which puts them off trying it. They might have seen people arguing about them online too. "Wow, look at all these weaboos" and whatever other crap that comes to mind. It's a silly reason but people might be put off by the fans of anime. And then there's just the whole business of many anime being nothing more than a bunch of reused clichés and tropes. If people haven't seen much anime but they were all the same sorta genre and followed the same patterns, it could lead one to believe that all anime are the same. So really, the only people who would say that they dislike anime but like cartoons are those who've barely even watched any anime. But in the case of my brother this just isn't true, he's seen a couple of animes and is very well aware of what it is like but he just doesn't like it. It's nothing to do with ignorance on the subject or a disdain for anime fans, he just straight up doesn't like it. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:13 AM
#24
flannan said: All superhero cartoons and most action cartoons have majority human characters. Disney animated movies also feature majority human female characters.On the other hand, I tend to find most anime girls attractive-looking (of course, some are more attractive than others), while a lot of western cartoons are filled with nonhumans with a very low degree of anthropomorphism, or are just drawn badly, like Simpsons or South Park. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:16 AM
#25
Tozzy said: Yeah, eastern Anime have waaaaaay more better graphics than western ones. o.o That's the first time I've heard "better graphics" used in favour of anime over Western animation. Really? Compare Psycho Pass, Fate/Zero, Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works 2014, Kuroshitsuji, Kuroko no Basket, Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry, Shakugan no Shana III, Tokyo Ghoul and mannnnnny more to western ones. Also, more upcoming anime are having better graphics now, too. =P Also, stories of eastern Anime have better and touching plot lines, well true not all, but most are. That's why many of eastern anime have been adopted as Live action movies and Drama series. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:19 AM
#26
DrGeroCreation said: anobaka said: Yeah I guess some people wouldn't want to deal with boring loser character having girls fall all over him for non reason, huge eyed little girls in school just drinking tea and doing nothing, guy getting stuck in game world for the billionth time.So when people say they prefer either one, they are actually thinking about this aspect. Should I make a rant about people misrepresenting statistics, or should I just challenge you to name 10 "getting stuck in a game world" anime that aren't sequels of each other? DrGeroCreation said: flannan said: All superhero cartoons and most action cartoons have majority human characters. Disney animated movies also feature majority human female characters.On the other hand, I tend to find most anime girls attractive-looking (of course, some are more attractive than others), while a lot of western cartoons are filled with nonhumans with a very low degree of anthropomorphism, or are just drawn badly, like Simpsons or South Park. So, only one good genre, and a small class of movies (I doubt that the number of Disney movies is very different from Ghibli movies). Compared to large swathes of anime. I think anime wins. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:22 AM
#27
DrGeroCreation said: anobaka said: Yeah I guess some people wouldn't want to deal with boring loser character having girls fall all over him for non reason, huge eyed little girls in school just drinking tea and doing nothing, guy getting stuck in game world for the billionth time.So when people say they prefer either one, they are actually thinking about this aspect. The things you mentioned represent just a fraction of anime range. With western cartoons I cannot find great stuff like Cowboy Bebop, Psycho-Pass, Ghost in the Shell, Planetes etc. Since I hate superhero crap and Disney fairy-tales, I am pretty much out of options when it comes to western cartoons. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:23 AM
#28
I'm sorry but this confuses me. SOOOOO many people that I have met have made threads that I hate. They say that they don't understand why others dislike what I like, but they love things that I dislike. What the hell? |
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:25 AM
#29
DarkAngel1221 said: Also, stories of eastern Anime have better and touching plot lines, well true not all, but most are. That's why many of eastern anime have been adopted as Live action movies and Drama series. This. Western animation is not keen on long-winded storylines normal for many anime. And even when it is, it tends to aim for children, not teenagers and older. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:27 AM
#30
The people I know who say that don't like Japan and Japanese culture (or generally any Asian culture), because it's completely foreign to them and they have a strong urge to mock and belittle it. For bunch of narrow-minded, xenophobic people the problem is usually not the quality of anime or art or storytelling, it's the origin of the medium. Plus some insecure individuals who feel like giving a chance to anime would make other people laugh at them, since watching anime is shunned by the majority. |
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Mar 16, 2016 5:29 AM
#31
@flannan Grimgar, .Hack, SAO, NGNL, Phantasy Star Online 2, Log Horizon, Accel World, Overlord. That's 8 there. flannan said: Nope. Female characters having lips and noses makes the character designs better than female anime characters to me. Tired of lazy huge eyes no nose no lips shit.So, only one good genre, and a small class of movies (I doubt that the number of Disney movies is very different from Ghibli movies). Compared to large swathes of anime. I think anime wins. anobaka said: Felidae,the Rabbi's cat, Batman Year 1, Justice League Gods and Monsters are just as good. If you automatically hate anything to do with superheroes then too bad for you. Also the anime you listed are very rare in anime now. Non mecha sci fi is a minority in anime. Harems, moe girl school anime and fantasy LN adaptions are far more popular and widespread.The things you mentioned represent just a fraction of anime range. With western cartoons I cannot find great stuff like Cowboy Bebop, Psycho-Pass, Ghost in the Shell, Planetes etc. Since I hate superhero crap and Disney fairy-tales, I am pretty much out of options when it comes to western cartoons. |
DrGeroCreationMar 16, 2016 5:52 AM
Mar 16, 2016 5:35 AM
#32
The opposite is much more common in my experience. |
I probably regret this post by now. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:38 AM
#33
DrGeroCreation said: @flannan Grimgar, Hack, SAO, NGNL, Phantasy Star Online 2, Log Horizon, Accel World, Overlord. That's 8 there. 8 is a lot less than billion, isn't it? I would not call NGNL's world a game world. Grimgar and Overlord are suspect, but I would not bother arguing. Accel World doesn't fit the definition of "stuck". And "world". And I've heard that Phantasy Star Online 2 isn't about getting stuck too. Now there's just 5 of them, and they're all different. DrGeroCreation said: flannan said: Nope. Female characters having lips and noses makes the character designs better than female anime characters to me. Tired of lazy huge eyes no nose no lips shit.So, only one good genre, and a small class of movies (I doubt that the number of Disney movies is very different from Ghibli movies). Compared to large swathes of anime. I think anime wins. I've heard that Japanese just aren't fans of lips and noses. But it's your taste, so it's your choice. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:46 AM
#34
@flannan A billion is obviously used as an exagerration not literal and even if it isn't a game world it's some fantasy world based on a videogame world. In Dishboard (NGNL's world games are played as a way of life and survival, it's clearly a game world) Grimgar has hinted at it and since episode 1 in Overlord you know it's a game world. They aren't stuck but both are still in game worlds. Yeah I've heard that hence why I find animated female superhero characters more attractive than typical female anime characters although there are female anime characters I find attractive. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:52 AM
#35
flannan said: That's why I could say that eastern Anime are much more better. Sorry to be blunt, but even your comment kinda pointed this, so with that said, those who prefers western Anime really just have childish fetishes. =PDarkAngel1221 said: Also, stories of eastern Anime have better and touching plot lines, well true not all, but most are. That's why many of eastern anime have been adopted as Live action movies and Drama series. This. Western animation is not keen on long-winded storylines normal for many anime. And even when it is, it tends to aim for children, not teenagers and older. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:54 AM
#36
DarkAngel1221 said: LOL and lolicons have no childish fetishes?flannan said: That's why I could say that eastern Anime are much more better. Sorry to be blunt, but even your comment kinda pointed this, so with that said, those who prefers western Anime really just have childish fetishes. =PDarkAngel1221 said: Also, stories of eastern Anime have better and touching plot lines, well true not all, but most are. That's why many of eastern anime have been adopted as Live action movies and Drama series. This. Western animation is not keen on long-winded storylines normal for many anime. And even when it is, it tends to aim for children, not teenagers and older. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:55 AM
#37
Man, I must be one perverted old fuck for loving Futurama and South Park. |
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:58 AM
#38
DarkAngel1221 said: flannan said: That's why I could say that eastern Anime are much more better. Sorry to be blunt, but even your comment kinda pointed this, so with that said, those who prefers western Anime really just have childish fetishes. =PDarkAngel1221 said: Also, stories of eastern Anime have better and touching plot lines, well true not all, but most are. That's why many of eastern anime have been adopted as Live action movies and Drama series. This. Western animation is not keen on long-winded storylines normal for many anime. And even when it is, it tends to aim for children, not teenagers and older. And yet western animation never has 10 year olds flashing their panties. |
Mar 16, 2016 5:58 AM
#39
They are the same but one thing is for sure and that is western cartoons are shit. |
Mar 16, 2016 6:00 AM
#40
DrGeroCreation said: @flannan A billion is obviously used as an exagerration not literal and even if it isn't a game world it's some fantasy world based on a videogame world. Fantasy worlds based on videogame worlds aren't something exclusive to anime. A lot of books use them too. As is "person similar to target audience went to an interesting place" trope - this one dates back to Dante at least. Just why people complain about ubiquitous tropes? That just invites accusations of elitism. DrGeroCreation said: In Dishboard (NGNL's world games are played as a way of life and survival, it's clearly a game world) It's a game world in a completely different sense from the rest of them. It sure as hell isn't a RPG world. DrGeroCreation said: Grimgar has hinted at it and since episode 1 in Overlord you know it's a game world. The trick is, Overlord's world is very much not a game world. Only the Tomb of Nazarick, MC's base, is from the old world the MC is used to. Grimgar is too oddly balanced to be a game world - game worlds are more likely to be balanced like Danmachi, where a cute little boy adventurer can be diligently slaying dozens of monsters, while remaining moe, cute and clumsy. |
Mar 16, 2016 6:01 AM
#41
DrGeroCreation said: LOL people who say lolicons are only the perverts, only those with Ecchi tags have those. Wait... doesn't cartoons also have kids on them? Well, I think all of cartoon does... So are you saying that those who prefer cartoons likes lolis? xDDarkAngel1221 said: LOL and lolicons have no childish fetishes?flannan said: DarkAngel1221 said: Also, stories of eastern Anime have better and touching plot lines, well true not all, but most are. That's why many of eastern anime have been adopted as Live action movies and Drama series. This. Western animation is not keen on long-winded storylines normal for many anime. And even when it is, it tends to aim for children, not teenagers and older. |
Mar 16, 2016 6:03 AM
#42
flannan said: A long winded storyline wouldn't necessarily be good or better than a short one. Young Justice and DC animated movies target older audiences and something being for teens or adults doesn't automatically make it better than something for kids or family friendly. For example Akame Ga Kill is edgy teen bullshit and quite inferior to Kiki's Delivery Service and Adventure Time is far better than Family Guy.DarkAngel1221 said: Also, stories of eastern Anime have better and touching plot lines, well true not all, but most are. That's why many of eastern anime have been adopted as Live action movies and Drama series. This. Western animation is not keen on long-winded storylines normal for many anime. And even when it is, it tends to aim for children, not teenagers and older. |
Mar 16, 2016 6:03 AM
#43
DrGeroCreation said: DarkAngel1221 said: LOL and lolicons have no childish fetishes?flannan said: DarkAngel1221 said: Also, stories of eastern Anime have better and touching plot lines, well true not all, but most are. That's why many of eastern anime have been adopted as Live action movies and Drama series. This. Western animation is not keen on long-winded storylines normal for many anime. And even when it is, it tends to aim for children, not teenagers and older. Bobby2Hands said: And yet western animation never has 10 year olds flashing their panties. I think somebody confused "fetish for children" (finding children to be likeable, in a sexual way), and "liking childish things" (liking things children find to be likeable, in a non-sexual way). |
Mar 16, 2016 6:05 AM
#44
DrGeroCreation said: A long winded storyline wouldn't necessarily be good or better than a short one. Indeed. But it has the potential to be a lot better. |
Mar 16, 2016 6:05 AM
#45
Bobby2Hands said: Why do you even notice that? I don't even see those things, unless you likes to watch Ecchi... Man, what a pervert you're even looking at the panties. =PDarkAngel1221 said: flannan said: DarkAngel1221 said: Also, stories of eastern Anime have better and touching plot lines, well true not all, but most are. That's why many of eastern anime have been adopted as Live action movies and Drama series. This. Western animation is not keen on long-winded storylines normal for many anime. And even when it is, it tends to aim for children, not teenagers and older. And yet western animation never has 10 year olds flashing their panties. |
Mar 16, 2016 6:09 AM
#46
flannan said: You know... I don't even know what these eastern Anime haters are doing here on MAL, where focuses on eastern ones. Unless they're just really bunch of hypocrites looking for someone to argue with since it's their way of living. LOLDrGeroCreation said: A long winded storyline wouldn't necessarily be good or better than a short one. Indeed. But it has the potential to be a lot better. |
Mar 16, 2016 6:10 AM
#47
It basically comes from two things. Ignorance as well as a desire to not lose cool points. Because they do not know anime, they have a very stereotypical view of it as manchild-pandering, weird things for uncool, weird, nerdy people. They do not wish to be associated with this image and are therefore quick to deny any interest or involvement. In other words, for lack of a better term, normal fags, boring pussies. |
Mar 16, 2016 6:12 AM
#48
DarkAngel1221 said: They do have kids in them but generally not over sexualized like what you can come across in animeLOL people who say lolicons are only the perverts, only those with Ecchi tags have those. Wait... doesn't cartoons also have kids on them? Well, I think all of cartoon does... So are you saying that those who prefer cartoons likes lolis? xD |
Mar 16, 2016 6:13 AM
#49
DrGeroCreation said: They do have kids in them but generally not over sexualized like animeDarkAngel1221 said: LOL people who say lolicons are only the perverts, only those with Ecchi tags have those. Wait... doesn't cartoons also have kids on them? Well, I think all of cartoon does... So are you saying that those who prefer cartoons likes lolis? xD LOL and lolicons have no childish fetishes? |
DarkAngel1221Mar 16, 2016 6:22 AM
Mar 16, 2016 6:16 AM
#50
DarkAngel1221 said: Because western anime are for kids? Duh? For kids.... I forgot you like childish stuffs. ^^ Uhg... quote is broken.[/quote] Generally in adult animated sitcoms and DC animated movies you don't see characters that are like kids sexualized. You like a shonen targeted anime like Seven Deadly Sins so you are childish.DrGeroCreation said: They do have kids in them but generally not over sexualized like animeDarkAngel1221 said: LOL and lolicons have no childish fetishes? |
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