Erased
| Again: This is gonna rekt Erased's face. Summer season shall be THE SEASON. |
| You just know that unsatisfied people and salty shippers are intentionally going to give this shitty scores just so it keeps dropping. |
-kV- said: You just know that unsatisfied people [...] are intentionally going to give this shitty scores just so it keeps dropping. Woah, people who didn't enjoy the show are going to rate it low on purpose to match their opinion? Holy shit, this changes my entire view on anime fans and the rating system. That's crazy. Ragix said: low reviews are just pushed up from the edgelords giving it a shitty score meanwhile the more 'fair' reviews are stuck in limbo Anyone who doesn't like a show you liked is an edgelord? Nevermind, looked at your profile. Explains everything. |
TallonKarrde23Mar 27, 2016 8:04 PM
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Oh, so this is the next series everyone is going to hate? |
Not really. This is very diferent from previous Key's works and probably the best thing they made so far. Of course, 8Bit (which is the studio who its adapting) can ruin everything but i doubt that, since Aniplex is in charge of the production. |
Murasa22Mar 27, 2016 8:29 PM
TallonKarrde23 said: -kV- said: You just know that unsatisfied people [...] are intentionally going to give this shitty scores just so it keeps dropping. Woah, people who didn't enjoy the show are going to rate it low on purpose to match their opinion? Holy shit, this changes my entire view on anime fans and the rating system. That's crazy. Ragix said: low reviews are just pushed up from the edgelords giving it a shitty score meanwhile the more 'fair' reviews are stuck in limbo Anyone who doesn't like a show you liked is an edgelord? Nevermind, looked at your profile. Explains everything. Lel, there's a difference between giving something a 6-7/10 if that's how you actually felt versus giving it a 3-4 out of spite. |
-kV- said: TallonKarrde23 said: Woah, people who didn't enjoy the show are going to rate it low on purpose to match their opinion? Holy shit, this changes my entire view on anime fans and the rating system. That's crazy. Anyone who doesn't like a show you liked is an edgelord? Nevermind, looked at your profile. Explains everything. Lel, there's a difference between giving something a 6-7/10 if that's how you actually felt versus giving it a 3-4 out of spite. I gave it a 2 because of reasons I explain in my review - not "out of spite" but because there's a 10 score rating scale and I believe the show is genuinely one of the very worst things I've ever seen. How does me giving something lower than a 6 make it "out of spite" rather than a real legitimate score based on my backed up opinions? You weren't speaking about me specifically, but I'm a good example to counter your point with. You're literally saying outright that absolutely anyone who doesn't think this was at the VERY WORST "good" doesn't truly feel that way and is rating based on some conspiracy about changing the top anime list on MAL. That opinions are only "how you actually felt" if they rate a 6 or more. That's insanely stupid and the conspiracy bit just plain insane. |
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b1GZZ said: It would not be a fair vote since 218k - 65k haven't seen the other series. The result would be based on popularity not the "best anime" criteria. Everything else you said is good though.Boku dake ga Inai Machi has 218k watchers and Gintamaº has almost 65k. If we made a poll, which one do you believe would be named the anime of the year? |
| This even not a top 3 in winter 2016 . Shouwa , Konosuba is far better in a term of adaptation. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Ragix said: low reviews are just pushed up from the edgelords giving it a shitty score meanwhile the more 'fair' reviews are stuck in limbo Anyone who doesn't like a show you liked is an edgelord? Nevermind, looked at your profile. Explains everything. No, that's not what I meant, so how about you stop taking my words and slightly changing them to best fit your argument. As far as I'm concerned, you can rate it as you please, that's not my business. What I detest is one, the scoring system here on MAL, it being a scale of 1-10 which is represented TERRIBLY as we've got 'users' standards' and 'MAL standards'. Whereas the users typically believe 7-10 is a decent anime, but anything below is trash. Then, the review system which unfairly allows the 'best reviews' to be shown when your only option is to say a review is helpful. The system we have now really favors the masses of either fanboys or haters. It allows NO viable alternate option aside from just not pushing the 'helpful' button. A review received 300 helpfuls? Wow! However, what's the number of people whom don't necessarily agree? Fuck if I know. I could care less especially about your rating (Not in condescending way); I'm aware you have a blog where you review and your scores don't reflect on the MAL system, but of your own. That's completely fine by me, but I just find MAL's scoring system to be lacking, but the fault lies more with the users. I'd also appreciate if we'd talk more about the topic at hand, versus using our profiles to undermine each other. Especially one I haven't even updated in at least 2 years. Otherwise why am I even talking to you? Last I recall before I went inactive from the forums, you swore off MAL forevermore because of some beef you had with the Admins, and yet, here you are. |
Touch me, you filthy casual~ |
Murasa22 said: Not really. This is very diferent from previous Key's works and probably the best thing they made so far. Of course, 8Bit (which is the studio who its adapting) can ruin everything but i doubt that, since Aniplex is in charge of the production. Now you kinda got me curious...I didn't like most of the Key stuff (or, Jun Maeda stories in general) I've seen, especially the drama...so this one is really different and better? I already know that one route was written by the writer of Higurashi/Umineko, so that one is probably good, but don't know about the others. |
mrmuk said: Murasa22 said: Not really. This is very diferent from previous Key's works and probably the best thing they made so far. Of course, 8Bit (which is the studio who its adapting) can ruin everything but i doubt that, since Aniplex is in charge of the production. Now you kinda got me curious...I didn't like most of the Key stuff (or, Jun Maeda stories in general) I've seen, especially the drama...so this one is really different and better? I already know that one route was written by the writer of Higurashi/Umineko, so that one is probably good, but don't know about the others. If you don't mind slight/minor spoilers, you can watch Rewrite's second opening to get a better feel of what the story is like (it is indeed completely different from Key's usual stories): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0paH6SfA6_k And personally, I do think Rewrite may perhaps be Key's overall best work. |
LightBladeNovaMar 27, 2016 11:22 PM
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Ragix said: TallonKarrde23 said: Anyone who doesn't like a show you liked is an edgelord? Nevermind, looked at your profile. Explains everything. No, that's not what I meant, so how about you stop taking my words and slightly changing them to best fit your argument. As far as I'm concerned, you can rate it as you please, that's not my business. What I detest is one, the scoring system here on MAL, it being a scale of 1-10 which is represented TERRIBLY as we've got 'users' standards' and 'MAL standards'. Whereas the users typically believe 7-10 is a decent anime, but anything below is trash. Then, the review system which unfairly allows the 'best reviews' to be shown when your only option is to say a review is helpful. The system we have now really favors the masses of either fanboys or haters. It allows NO viable alternate option aside from just not pushing the 'helpful' button. A review received 300 helpfuls? Wow! However, what's the number of people whom don't necessarily agree? Fuck if I know. I could care less especially about your rating (Not in condescending way); I'm aware you have a blog where you review and your scores don't reflect on the MAL system, but of your own. That's completely fine by me, but I just find MAL's scoring system to be lacking, but the fault lies more with the users. I'd also appreciate if we'd talk more about the topic at hand, versus using our profiles to undermine each other. Especially one I haven't even updated in at least 2 years. Otherwise why am I even talking to you? Last I recall before I went inactive from the forums, you swore off MAL forevermore because of some beef you had with the Admins, and yet, here you are. It's easy to misinterpret what you were saying when you made it sound very specific about "edgelords giving it a shitty score". That's not hard to take and, not purposefully twisting what you said but simply genuinely by "mistake", read it as "anyone giving it a shitty score is an edgelord". In fact, I'm pretty sure it's what most people would assume you were implying because that's exactly how it sounds and even with your further reply it's still all it looks like to me. It wasn't "slightly changing your words to fit my argument" because I was never making an argument, I saw you making one and I was just pointing out that the one you APPEARED to be making was fucking dumb. I don't disagree at all about the review system, in fact while I don't actually use anything on the site but comments to one single user and the list functions I do sometimes look at reviews - or like now, forum posts - to have private discussions about either with that one person or a few people on twitter. This lead just the other day to talking about the shitty review system here and how fucking stupid it is that they removed the "unhelpful" button or have a helpful/unhelpful system at all, let alone as the main sorting value. The only reason I replied to what you said was because of how you worded it making it come off as if you were shitting on anyone who disliked the show and claiming the reviews that were poorly rating it were "edgelords" who were just posting cobbled together piles of shit to feel like special snowflakes for shitting on a popular series - which is something that DOES happen a lot (another reason assuming it was the implication makes sense), but is far from something you could generalize with. Hell, part of the reason I refuse to post reviews here is because of exactly what you're talking about, it's not the only thing but it's definitely one of the reasons - same goes for user vs mal standards, I just don't even pay attention to people's scores because it's all nonsensical now, including my own because I only rate for my personal reference and am also fairly inconsistent about it. If you had made it sound like you just did I wouldn't have said anything, but you specifically said edgelords giving it shitty scores - not "edgelords giving it shitty scores and fanboys giving it overly high ones". Instead only using "fair" which could be easily and legitimately interpreted as absolutely anything but negative reviews, especially on a site where people love to give a disclaimer before their typically terrible reviews of "Unlike all these other reviewers, I'm going to be fair and honest!". With this show specifically, you say the hater or fanboy reviews typically are at the top but, and maybe this is from me not really checking them enough - aside Erased I've almost never seen this many negative reviews take the front page of an otherwise popular and high rated by many show. I think the system is more imbalanced on the side of pushing positive reviews to the top - or, worse, reviews by people that are "known" rather than for the content of the review but for the name of who wrote it no matter what they think or how they back their opinion up. Use big words, circlejerk, and there you go - you're going straight to the top and will even likely get a spot on the staff for it. There's no doubt that it's a problem for reviews and ratings, but also a problem because in most cases, as you pointed out, a show's top reviews will all be either fanboys or haters, and on a site like MAL where a lot of people actually pretend to care about reviews you end up with the entire opinion of a show changing based on what they see is the popular opinion which ends up having a meaningful impact on the overall general view and rating of the show in an unfair and insincere way. Mods: This is all kind of a tangent but it's thread relevant because it pertains to how the show is being reflected on the site and how fans feel about the quality of it which directly impacts the question presented (whether or not Erased will be the best show of the year or not) on a broader scale. Especially true when you consider how many people actually care about reviews and will, especially in the anime community, take the opinions of a review as a strong factor in forming their own. |
TallonKarrde23Mar 27, 2016 11:55 PM
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globus said: LightBladeNova said: If you don't mind slight/minor spoilers, you can watch Rewrite's second opening to get a better feel of what the story is like (it is indeed completely different from Key's usual stories): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0paH6SfA6_k And personally, I do think Rewrite may perhaps be Key's overall best work. Clannad > Rewrite imo but I loved both. Since the story is already there they can't fuck it up like charlotte amirite??? :D I disagree. Clannad is one of the weakest works from them. Rewrite is by far the biggest universe that they managed to create and with a lot more depth in its messages. Now you kinda got me curious...I didn't like most of the Key stuff (or, Jun Maeda stories in general) I've seen, especially the drama...so this one is really different and better? I already know that one route was written by the writer of Higurashi/Umineko, so that one is probably good, but don't know about the others. Rewrite has a lot of action, mystery and even gore. There is even a route with a pretty much mindblowing foreshadow about the creation of the universe and existentialism theories. And of course, since its still a Nakige visual novel, a lot of emotional moments. Also Jun Maeda has no involvement on the script, he only made a few songs for the game and managed some scenarios. Thats why is diferent. |
Murasa22Mar 28, 2016 12:01 AM
| Lol why are people suprised erased went to shit? Jesus the manga went to shit at the end. Smh |
globus said: Murasa22 said: I disagree. Clannad is one of the weakest works from them. Rewrite is by far the biggest universe that they managed to create and with a lot more depth in its messages. And yeah, Rewrite has a lot of action, suspense and even gore. There is even a route with a pretty much mindblowing foreshadow about the creation of the universe and existentialism theories. And of course, since its still a Nakige visual novel, a lot of emotional moments. I forgot I was impartial to Nagisa; I wasn't being critical in any sense :3. The real question is how many seasons is this going to be? With all that content they'll need more than three regular seasons that Little Busters aired :/. P.S. Apparently nobody has bitched about the fact I have rated stein's gate a 7. :D Well, since you brought it up then (not everyone is interested in stalking other people's lists, you know?), why did you rate Erased higher than Steins;Gate? I've yet to hear some specific reasons from those like you. |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
globus said: Murasa22 said: I disagree. Clannad is one of the weakest works from them. Rewrite is by far the biggest universe that they managed to create and with a lot more depth in its messages. And yeah, Rewrite has a lot of action, suspense and even gore. There is even a route with a pretty much mindblowing foreshadow about the creation of the universe and existentialism theories. And of course, since its still a Nakige visual novel, a lot of emotional moments. The real question is how many seasons is this going to be? With all that content they'll need more than three regular seasons that Little Busters aired :/. We're all worried about that :T But I'm pretty sure this is getting 36+ episodes at least. Or 1 cour with 24 and then a Moon / Terra movie. All the previous adaptations from Key has been like this (with exception of Air) and its Aniplex producing. They have big moonies :P |
| Are people still talking about this show? It's over now, just let it go. |
"Hurry up with my damn croissants." |
TallonKarrde23 said: It's easy to misinterpret what you were saying when you made it sound very specific about "edgelords giving it a shitty score". That's not hard to take and, not purposefully twisting what you said but simply genuinely by "mistake", read it as "anyone giving it a shitty score is an edgelord". In fact, I'm pretty sure it's what most people would assume you were implying because that's exactly how it sounds and even with your further reply it's still all it looks like to me. It wasn't "slightly changing your words to fit my argument" because I was never making an argument, I saw you making one and I was just pointing out that the one you APPEARED to be making was fucking dumb. I don't disagree at all about the review system, in fact while I don't actually use anything on the site but comments to one single user and the list functions I do sometimes look at reviews - or like now, forum posts - to have private discussions about either with that one person or a few people on twitter. This lead just the other day to talking about the shitty review system here and how fucking stupid it is that they removed the "unhelpful" button or have a helpful/unhelpful system at all, let alone as the main sorting value. The only reason I replied to what you said was because of how you worded it making it come off as if you were shitting on anyone who disliked the show and claiming the reviews that were poorly rating it were "edgelords" who were just posting cobbled together piles of shit to feel like special snowflakes for shitting on a popular series - which is something that DOES happen a lot (another reason assuming it was the implication makes sense), but is far from something you could generalize with. Hell, part of the reason I refuse to post reviews here is because of exactly what you're talking about, it's not the only thing but it's definitely one of the reasons - same goes for user vs mal standards, I just don't even pay attention to people's scores because it's all nonsensical now, including my own because I only rate for my personal reference and am also fairly inconsistent about it. If you had made it sound like you just did I wouldn't have said anything, but you specifically said edgelords giving it shitty scores - not "edgelords giving it shitty scores and fanboys giving it overly high ones". Instead only using "fair" which could be easily and legitimately interpreted as absolutely anything but negative reviews, especially on a site where people love to give a disclaimer before their typically terrible reviews of "Unlike all these other reviewers, I'm going to be fair and honest!". With this show specifically, you say the hater or fanboy reviews typically are at the top but, and maybe this is from me not really checking them enough - aside Erased I've almost never seen this many negative reviews take the front page of an otherwise popular and high rated by many show. I think the system is more imbalanced on the side of pushing positive reviews to the top - or, worse, reviews by people that are "known" rather than for the content of the review but for the name of who wrote it no matter what they think or how they back their opinion up. Use big words, circlejerk, and there you go - you're going straight to the top and will even likely get a spot on the staff for it. There's no doubt that it's a problem for reviews and ratings, but also a problem because in most cases, as you pointed out, a show's top reviews will all be either fanboys or haters, and on a site like MAL where a lot of people actually pretend to care about reviews you end up with the entire opinion of a show changing based on what they see is the popular opinion which ends up having a meaningful impact on the overall general view and rating of the show in an unfair and insincere way. Mods: This is all kind of a tangent but it's thread relevant because it pertains to how the show is being reflected on the site and how fans feel about the quality of it which directly impacts the question presented (whether or not Erased will be the best show of the year or not) on a broader scale. Especially true when you consider how many people actually care about reviews and will, especially in the anime community, take the opinions of a review as a strong factor in forming their own. The issues that reside in the scoring/review system have been there for an insane amount of time as well. I can't recall how long ago its been, but I remember a post when the mods announced the removal of the 'non-helpful' button as they continue to work towards re-working the system. Although it appears as time goes by it's becoming a more permanent solution. The whole Helpful/Not helpful system wasn't even great in itself, but now it's just a shit show. The problems only become more prevalent with the 'big hits' of the season as like you mentioned, the more highly regarded reviews are just the general opinion of a show formed into a review with a few 'keywords' that will gain the appeal of many users (i.e. circlejerk). Hell, I think that description fits better for what I originally meant, but then I guess I'd feel 'Edgy' for proclaiming that. Looking at ERASED and just this discussion post in general points out the glaringly bad problems with the ranking/scoring system. I did enjoy ERASED, probably a lot more than you did, but in no way would I ever dream of giving this in my 'Top 20 anime of all time'. I like using MAL for its listing system and occasional discussions, but I can't imagine using it anymore than that. Of course, MAL being one of the larger sites, it becomes a top selection for your general anime viewer when it comes to googling an anime and learning more about it. Boom, you get hit by reviews and a score right off the bat which then can sometimes give a misleading interpretation to someone whether an anime is 'good or bad'. I bet the ERASED page gets tons of traffic and because of that, people are going to see a bizarre mixture of reviews that are just absurdly high or low, then it's just going to leave people thinking, "Well, which is it? Do I watch it or not?" As of right now, I use my list very similarly. I mainly just use it to keep track of what exactly I've watched, but the scores are pretty much just based off of my enjoyment as well (with little to no critique). It doesn't really take much to keep me entertained either. It's probably an issue for another topic, but it's definitely one that can correlate to this topic of how exactly ERASED is/isn't the 'best anime of 2016'. As of right now the system is just unstable and it can definitely lead to rather foul conversations if people try and use MAL scores/reviews as a base for their argument. |
Touch me, you filthy casual~ |
| If this was the best anime of the year then this year will be really pitiful. (Well I don't really think it's the best anime of the season much less the year though) |
ColdBreeze said: Hitler-san said: Wait for Berserk anime to release. The true masterpiece will replace this anime. Berseks CGI will probably lower the score for some people. And as for SnK, I really doubt it. I think so, since Berserk not for kids under 18. As for SnK the real story starts from S2 itself. And fights and plot is about to get more epic. Though I am not sure, depends on fans. |
| ERASED is an entertaining show from start to finish with an "okay" time travel plot device. I can give the weak use of time travel a pass if everything didn't end in a way that was essentially nicely gift-wrapped with a neat bow on top. I find it hard to stomach a story of such trials and tribulations with a diabetic ending. Still a solid 8 for me even with all the people jumping on the bandwagon giving ERASED a <6 score. So no Erased isn't in contention for AOTY for the simple fact that it cannot even hold a candle to KonoSuba's sheer entertainment value. At least for me the plot and characters are largely forgettable and that isn't something I'd consider AOTY worthy. |
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