Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Movie -Rebellion-
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| Madoka Magica was an above average series. But Rebellion was just pretentious symbolism, that literally wasn't needed. Urobuchi even states in an interview that he wanted Rebellion to be the last movie to wrap it all up for real. But the director said to leave it open ended so they could make a sequel. So basically he made up the ending on the spot. They're countless places to understand rebellion and it's ending. Try Reddit for example. |
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CavemanStyle said: i think only real madoka in human form can take girls into Law of Cycle, that is why homura said "i've finally caught you"genesic123 said: The story is just plot hole central. Homura just turned into satan.Why question what she can or can't do lol. Madoka is still God lol,(the end dialog where she says that she will come back one day) It has already been explained how homura could do what she did. My question was why did Madoka have to stay in human form when attempting to take Homura away with her |
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| They still don't know who Madoka was at the end of Rebellion. They could just see her. Sayaka said it herself, Madoka went through all this because Homura was a special friend. She wasn't in human form either, she was in a goddess form when she did that. It's likely that she did not have her full power yet she got out of the interference field. Heck, it took her a while to materialize again. Heck, she just remembered what she was going to do. It's likely because Kyubey interfered. Remember that Madoka's power came from Kyubey's technology, and how Madoka became interfereable came from Kyubey as well. Kyubey is able to interfere with Madoka. It's not out of the question that the alien bunny is the reason for everything, again. |
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| She wasn't in human form when the barrier broke. At that point she had regained her powers. If you remember from the T.V. series, her power is to put soon-to-be-witches to sleep BEFORE they transform. Homura has already transformed into a witch which is why she was able to capture her. |
eturnity said: This, as well. In order for Madoka to be able to interfere with witches, witches should be able to interfere with her as well.Homura has already transformed into a witch which is why she was able to capture her. Simply put, Madoka trusted Homura and got her guard down. |
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CavemanStyle said: are we really sure that others can see madoka when she is about to take homurapakyu said: i think only real madoka in human form can take girls into Law of Cycle, that is why homura said "i've finally caught you" If this was the case, why couldn't they see Madoka when she came for Sayaka at the end of the series? |
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CavemanStyle said: i think she said that because of the light not actually seeing madokapakyu said: are we really sure that others can see madoka when she is about to take homura Yes. Kyouko literally says, and I qoute, "Is that Kaname Madoka?" as she looks up to the sky at her. Mami as well aknowledges them as they come down from the sky |
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| Mami and Kyouko are figments of Homura's imagination, since the movies are set after the T.V. series. |
CavemanStyle said: That's because Madoka took Sayaka to another place, likely another dimension. Sayaka was able to see Madoka, and even talk to her during this. She wasn't even dead yet during that time.eturnity said: She wasn't in human form when the barrier broke. At that point she had regained her powers. If you remember from the T.V. series, her power is to put soon-to-be-witches to sleep BEFORE they transform. Homura has already transformed into a witch which is why she was able to capture her. If she wasn't in human form though, Mami and Kyouko shouldn't have been able to see her. Madoka took Sayaka away and no one saw her there. Madoka either made it so that she is perceivable since she thought there would be no harm doing it, there was nobody nearby and they are out of any civilization; or Kyubey's interference did something to her. Either way is logical. pakyu said: You make an interesting observation, never thought about it this way.CavemanStyle said: i think she said that because of the light not actually seeing madokaYes. Kyouko literally says, and I qoute, "Is that Kaname Madoka?" as she looks up to the sky at her. Mami as well aknowledges them as they come down from the sky Kyouko asks Mami "is that Kaname Madoka?" when they only see light. It is never clear whether or not they actually see her in the first place, and they don't react until Homura's power interferes. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
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| There are alot of online sites that attempt to analyze this train wreck. As an above user stated, Urobuchi's original intentions were to have Madoka carry Homura away; however, his assistant pressured the ridiculous idea of continuing the franchise. There has been word of a recently started project by Aniplex that will possibly pickup from Rebellion and explain the plot holes, hopefully. |
CavemanStyle said: It's not "just because". Literally everyone down there, on that moment, she personally knows. If she was perceivable, she wanted Homura and everyone else to see her.AzureDaora said: That's because Madoka took Sayaka to another place, likely another dimension. Sayaka was able to see Madoka, and even talk to her during this. She wasn't even dead yet during that time. Madoka either made it so that she is perceivable since she thought there would be no harm doing it, there was nobody nearby and they are out of any civilization; or Kyubey's interference did something to her. Either way is logical. I can believe Kyuubey's interference doing something, but I just can't get behind her making herself perceivable just because. If so, how? After the isolation field was taken down, the interference should have stopped. How? Madoka had to do something similar right before the movie in order to get into the barrier, it's not inconceivable that she herself is able to control her power when she was able to give it to Sayaka and Nagisa. CavemanStyle said: Go back to the series and see that every single magical girl, before they become witches, is able to see Madoka, and Sayaka was even able to talk with her. They're technically nigh-witches at this point, and so is Homura. Heck, Homura is technically ALREADY a witch at this point of time.AzureDaora said: You make an interesting observation, never thought about it this way. Kyouko asks Mami "is that Kaname Madoka?" when they only see light. It is never clear whether or not they actually see her in the first place, and they don't react until Homura's power interferes. Then why can Homura see and interfere with her if to her she just looks like light coming down to her? Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
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CavemanStyle said: anyone who madoka is going take are able to see her, just like sayaka they have a little conversation before going into law of cycleAzureDaora said: You make an interesting observation, never thought about it this way. Kyouko asks Mami "is that Kaname Madoka?" when they only see light. It is never clear whether or not they actually see her in the first place, and they don't react until Homura's power interferes. Then why can Homura see and interfere with her if to her she just looks like light coming down to her? |
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CavemanStyle said: Why not? His plan was to take Madoka's power, and use it for the incubator's needs. They made it so that they could observe Madoka. It doesn't matter who sees Madoka as long as they can control her.pakyu said: anyone who madoka is going take are able to see her, just like sayaka they have a little conversation before going into law of cycle Ok, good point. But if that was the case, Kyuubey wouldn't have made his master plan if Godoka can only be seen by the person she is taking. |
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CavemanStyle said: that was because homura mentioned something about madoka or the law of cycles to kyuubeypakyu said: anyone who madoka is going take are able to see her, just like sayaka they have a little conversation before going into law of cycle Ok, good point. But if that was the case, Kyuubey wouldn't have made his master plan if Godoka can only be seen by the person she is taking. |
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AzureDaora said: Kyouko asks Mami "is that Kaname Madoka?" when they only see light. It is never clear whether or not they actually see her in the first place, and they don't react until Homura's power interferes. Wow, that never occurred to me. Makes sense now that you mentioned it, they didn't react to their respective partners either despite that they were just discussing them. JkayW said: Urobuchi even states in an interview that he wanted Rebellion to be the last movie to wrap it all up for real. But the director said to leave it open ended so they could make a sequel. So basically he made up the ending on the spot. That's not quite right though, it's not really an impromptu kind of thing, afaik these discussions were held at the planning phase so he still had his time to think through the ending. Shinbo's suggestion was to make the two rivals and Urobuchi mentions he was able to come up with the scenario after hearing that. While Shinbo did indeed step in, it's not as if Urobuchi was upset about this new ending. In fact, I'd say he's happy with this ending judging from the rest of the things he said in the interview. |
| In fact, since when does Madoka appear in her God form complete with a chariot & minions in an attempt to purify soul gems as slowly as she did. To me , it looked as though Madoka wanted to give Homu the special treatment. And I dont think she would mind revealing her form to the Magical girls who were there to witness it. |
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