| The West is, at least based on what I heard, more individualistic than other zones. Not just in terms of rights but in terms of culture, we value individualism and autonomy more than community. Why are we so against the basic right to die, then? How can be free if the most fundamental choice of living or dying isn't given to us? |
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phan said: because science This is morality, not science. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: The West is, at least based on what I heard, more individualistic than other zones. Not just in terms of rights but in terms of culture, we value individualism and autonomy more than community. Why are we so against the basic right to die, then? How can be free if the most fundamental choice of living or dying isn't given to us? the right to die doesn't exist in most countries unless you're old or sick, no? |
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truisms said: TheBrainintheJar said: The West is, at least based on what I heard, more individualistic than other zones. Not just in terms of rights but in terms of culture, we value individualism and autonomy more than community. Why are we so against the basic right to die, then? How can be free if the most fundamental choice of living or dying isn't given to us? the right to die doesn't exist in most countries unless you're old or sick, no? Yes, which is moronic. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: phan said: because science This is morality, not science. Why do people commit suicide? I think many people can agree its due to depression 90% of the time, therefore science is there so we can understand what chemicals are responsible for depression and how we can stop depression in people who are considering suicide. Very rarely is suicide a case of deciding to die due to honour or some non-mentally associated reason. |
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| We've gone over this SO MANY TIMEs Brain... As TheConquerer said, it isn't usually morality but psychology/science that can prevent people from feeling their only option is death. I do agree that the west should be more open minded about people who don't want to deal with painful illness that will undoubtedly end in their death. If those people want to die instead of suffering, they should be able to. Depression does not undoubtedly lead to a persons death though... It can be pretty much cured, and those people can live long and happy lives. |
TheConquerer said: TheBrainintheJar said: This is morality, not science. Why do people commit suicide? I think many people can agree its due to depression 90% of the time, therefore science is there so we can understand what chemicals are responsible for depression and how we can stop depression in people who are considering suicide. Very rarely is suicide a case of deciding to die due to honour or some non-mentally associated reason. Why do people at chocolate? Why do they ride bicycles? Why do they sit on a chair instead of a couch? What does this have to do with morality? Fintan said: We've gone over this SO MANY TIMEs Brain... As TheConquerer said, it isn't usually morality but psychology/science that can prevent people from feeling their only option is death. I do agree that the west should be more open minded about people who don't want to deal with painful illness that will undoubtedly end in their death. If those people want to die instead of suffering, they should be able to. Depression does not undoubtedly lead to a persons death though... It can be pretty much cured, and those people can live long and happy lives. What if someone doesn't want a 'long and happy life'? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: What if someone doesn't want a 'long and happy life'? Then he's depressed and needs help. |
| I don't know. The west would be better off if some people did commit suicide. |
PerpetualTrance said: TheBrainintheJar said: What if someone doesn't want a 'long and happy life'? Then he's depressed and needs help. Does he have any moral obligation to do so? |
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| Because of the overflow from the religious doctrines that preceded it, the stance that all lives are equal and a gift from God. To take one's life was seen as an affront to the Creator. |
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RedRoseFring said: Because of the overflow from the religious doctrines that preceded it, the stance that all lives are equal and a gift from God. To take one's life was seen as an affront to the Creator. A lot of secular people keep preaching that silly dogma. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: PerpetualTrance said: Then he's depressed and needs help. Does he have any moral obligation to do so? I'm sorry Brain but you're getting back to this round about crap where you're basically asking people to....what...be happy for people who want to kill themselves? Also you know damn well NO ONE can stop a person from killing themselves, all people want is to try and help people who COULD live a happy life. The only people who think "I don't want a long and happy life" are mentally ill, which can almost always be treated. Regardless though, if someones mental illness is bad they will just off themselves before anyone even has a chance to treat them. So what is your point!? Nevermind... don't answer, we've been through this. You have no point lol. |
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| I think it's good to be anti suicide overall, but it's like the death pentalty debate; not easy at all. Technically it's your life but everyone can find something worth living for. I saw a police documentary where an inmate kept trying to kill himself every oppurtunity he got. He was clearly depressed or hated himself, but it's still the right choice to stop him trying to kill himsellf. |
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| The East does not have very good mental health programs and their stigma is ingrained into every facet their culture, the West's only issue is the stigma itself which while cultural, is not ingrained in it like the East is, admitting to mental illness in the East can mean losing everything almost 100% of the time and there's no real support. There's plenty of support for all but the most extreme of cases in the West if the person wants to seek help. |
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RedRoseFring said: Because of the overflow from the religious doctrines that preceded it, the stance that all lives are equal and a gift from God. To take one's life was seen as an affront to the Creator. this basically. as for buddhism, suicide isn't really a hot topic there as it is in catholic church and the likes. (same goes for abortion) if you kill yourself as an act of calling attention to a problem (ie vietnamese monks burning themselves in the 60s) that is respectable however, if you kill yourself because you're a sad loser, it can somehow make you reborn in a "worse" position than human however views on this are unclear, ie, no writings that would tell you it's right/wrong. I guess it boils down to the fact that life is not seen as a sacred gift, it just simply "is". |
| Something to do with how life is considered a more important value than honor etc.? |
| Because religion. |
Fintan said: TheBrainintheJar said: Does he have any moral obligation to do so? I'm sorry Brain but you're getting back to this round about crap where you're basically asking people to....what...be happy for people who want to kill themselves? Also you know damn well NO ONE can stop a person from killing themselves, all people want is to try and help people who COULD live a happy life. The only people who think "I don't want a long and happy life" are mentally ill, which can almost always be treated. Regardless though, if someones mental illness is bad they will just off themselves before anyone even has a chance to treat them. So what is your point!? Nevermind... don't answer, we've been through this. You have no point lol. My point is to offer people a painless way of dying. Why force people to shoot themselves or jump off buildings? There's no reason for you to be against assisted suicide since no one will force it on you. |
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| I think the better question is, why are you so against anti-suicide opinions/beliefs? You can't really expect anyone to be happy or content about a person killing themselves, right? If you want to end your life, that's your choice to make. Stop bringing it on other people. I don't think you really want to die though, otherwise you wouldn't have stuck around this long. You just need to learn to accept that reality is harsh, but cowering away from it will only make your situation all the worse. No one should even contemplate suicide until they've really exhausted all other options, imho. And most people who are depressed are too depressed to even acknowledge other options exist. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: TheConquerer said: Why do people commit suicide? I think many people can agree its due to depression 90% of the time, therefore science is there so we can understand what chemicals are responsible for depression and how we can stop depression in people who are considering suicide. Very rarely is suicide a case of deciding to die due to honour or some non-mentally associated reason. Why do people at chocolate? Why do they ride bicycles? Why do they sit on a chair instead of a couch? What does this have to do with morality? I don't know, does it? All I see are philosophy arguments at most. |
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mafia_princess said: What do you think would happen if suicide is legalized? Would it make things better? Won't it make life's value less? Wouldn't society go downhill afterwards? "Hey, I'm feeling depressed lately I'll just go commit suicide" "Ok dude bye I'm sorry to hear that.." Oh I live in a place where people can kill themselves painlessly without being looked down upon and there's no law stopping it! Who's enough brainwashed to accept suicide? Is that where society is going at? Where life is undervalued and meaningless that you can end it in a blink in a eye? I'm sorry if you feel like that, but you live in a world where humans are encouraged to reproduce to live and every living thing thrives to survive unless they have some kind of illness or are nearing death. Someone who simply decides to kill themselves when your life isn't on the line is like going against nature. There's alot of things you can do about that. If someone is so so desperate to it, let them but I won't lie to myself and say that's ok to them because it's not. So you're saying it's okay to force people into existence and telling them "Things are bad? Go fuck yourself. We won't help you end a life you never asked for"? If you think people just wake up one day and decide to die, well, why do you think so? Any research that shows it's so impulsive? SnugglyWhuggly said: I think the better question is, why are you so against anti-suicide opinions/beliefs? You can't really expect anyone to be happy or content about a person killing themselves, right? If you want to end your life, that's your choice to make. Stop bringing it on other people. I don't think you really want to die though, otherwise you wouldn't have stuck around this long. You just need to learn to accept that reality is harsh, but cowering away from it will only make your situation all the worse. No one should even contemplate suicide until they've really exhausted all other options, imho. And most people who are depressed are too depressed to even acknowledge other options exist. Without the anti-suicide people, maybe euthanasia would have been available. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Without the anti-suicide people, maybe euthanasia would have been available. Already is in some countries. Granted, even that's hard to gain access to. They're not just giving away free deaths to every teenager who's going through "I hate everything" phase of their life. There's very few reasons why someone really has reasonable grounds to end their lives by, rationally speaking (since you seem to try and view everything as "rationally" as possible, even when there are no rational answers to some things). |
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Klad said: Because religion. Basically. |
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| Why are you Asians so pro suicide? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: truisms said: the right to die doesn't exist in most countries unless you're old or sick, no? Yes, which is moronic. wouldn't a better question be why is the world so anti-suicide then? |
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Comic_Sans said: Why are you Asians so pro suicide? Well Sans, I would commit sudoku as well if I was a die hard Tokyo Ghoul fangirl like yourself and my family found out about it. Such dishonor to the family. |
Veneficia said: I'm not anti suicide since I think you should kill yourself  |
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truisms said: TheBrainintheJar said: Yes, which is moronic. wouldn't a better question be why is the world so anti-suicide then? I understand why a more collectivist, community-centric culture is against suicide. It harms the community. I ask why an individualist society is so against it. SnugglyWhuggly said: TheBrainintheJar said: Without the anti-suicide people, maybe euthanasia would have been available. Already is in some countries. Granted, even that's hard to gain access to. They're not just giving away free deaths to every teenager who's going through "I hate everything" phase of their life. There's very few reasons why someone really has reasonable grounds to end their lives by, rationally speaking (since you seem to try and view everything as "rationally" as possible, even when there are no rational answers to some things). Why would you say that? Are you really in a position to determine whether someone's life is worth living or not? Isn't it better to let people decide for themselves? |
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hoopla123 said: I'm not a TG fangirl and you should commit sudoku for being a Yukinon fanboyComic_Sans said: Why are you Asians so pro suicide? Well Sans, I would commit sudoku as well if I was a die hard Tokyo Ghoul fangirl like yourself and my family found out about it. Such dishonor to the family. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: hoopla123 said: I'm not a TG fangirl and you should commit sudoku for being a Yukinon fanboyWell Sans, I would commit sudoku as well if I was a die hard Tokyo Ghoul fangirl like yourself and my family found out about it. Such dishonor to the family.  |
TheBrainintheJar said: Why would you say that? Are you really in a position to determine whether someone's life is worth living or not? Isn't it better to let people decide for themselves? Sometimes, a person isn't capable of deciding for themselves whether or not their life is "worth living", especially when depressed. And honestly, I'd argue most lives are worth living, unless you're in a vegetable state or something. Sure, you can determine for yourself whether or not you want to carry on living. We've been over this before though, you've created several threads on this topics throughout the past couple of months. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: People who truly want to die, would not keep talking about dying, they'd simply just pick a suicide method they deem to be the most appropriate, and go through with it. We wouldn't be having this conversation now if you've really determined that your life is no longer worth living. |
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hoopla123 said: Comic_Sans said: I'm not a TG fangirl and you should commit sudoku for being a Yukinon fanboy  |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
TheBrainintheJar said: The West is, at least based on what I heard, more individualistic than other zones. Not just in terms of rights but in terms of culture, we value individualism and autonomy more than community. Why are we so against the basic right to die, then? How can be free if the most fundamental choice of living or dying isn't given to us? Because it's inhumane to feel nothing or do nothing about another human wanting to take away their own life. We would be barbarians if we were to accept that |
Qans said: TheBrainintheJar said: The West is, at least based on what I heard, more individualistic than other zones. Not just in terms of rights but in terms of culture, we value individualism and autonomy more than community. Why are we so against the basic right to die, then? How can be free if the most fundamental choice of living or dying isn't given to us? Because it's inhumane to feel nothing or do nothing about another human wanting to take away their own life. We would be barbarians if we were to accept that It's more inhumane to force another human to live if they are suffering. Plus we have the death penalty, so we are already barbarians. |
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Narmy said: Qans said: Because it's inhumane to feel nothing or do nothing about another human wanting to take away their own life. We would be barbarians if we were to accept that It's more inhumane to force another human to live if they are suffering. Plus we have the death penalty, so we are already barbarians. Really depends on the situation. If they are facing a life threatening illness that causes them unbearable pain, then i won't try to stop or judge them for wanting to commit suicide. But that isn't always the case. |
SnugglyWhuggly said: Veneficia said: I'm not anti suicide since I think you should kill yourself thanks bruh nice to know someone knows my originality |
| Fuck suicide, it's selfish as hell. |
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| I would presume it is deriven from how Christianity condemned suicide as a sin? |
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| How would you feel if you got a call one morning saying your best friend has committed suicide? Not because he had any serious issues, but just because according to the society it's considered 'normal' and he had a bad day. There's your answer. It should be condemned so much, that a person would not think it over once or twice, but a thousand times before doing it. It cannot be something that is accepted as a normal thing. We condemn it because we do not want to lose the people we care about. |
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