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Nov 23, 2015 2:57 PM

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CondemneDio said:
That's more like it. ISIS bombings are done in hopes of terror and chaos. Not for the glory of their god.
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They want to establish a "Kingdom of God on Earth" in Islamic Style (Sunni Caliphates) and put a caliph with a bloodline from Mohammed


Okay. There's your statement.
Now show the proof.

Altairius said:
Very few people view "terror and chaos" as and end in itself. Certainly an organized group based on Islam (however misinterpreted, blah blah) does not view that as an end in itself.

The end goal would probably be something along the lines of toppling western powers, to make Middle East more relevant.
Nov 23, 2015 3:02 PM

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Nov 23, 2015 3:26 PM

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EminemVEVO said:
Scientology.


and if you have any other answer to this you are wrong.
Nov 23, 2015 3:28 PM
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The Church of Chin-Chin is definitely the worst one.
Nov 23, 2015 3:30 PM

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mayukachan said:
tfw u read religion as railgun #toomuchweebfortoday

ok um that one where u knock on ppls doors and ask them for $$$
i think its called jojovah's witness


This is all I could think of.
Nov 23, 2015 3:59 PM

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CondemneDio said:
Paella_ said:
wrong
They want to establish a "Kingdom of God on Earth" in Islamic Style (Sunni Caliphates) and put a caliph with a bloodline from Mohammed


Okay. There's your statement.
Now show the proof.

Altairius said:
Very few people view "terror and chaos" as and end in itself. Certainly an organized group based on Islam (however misinterpreted, blah blah) does not view that as an end in itself.

The end goal would probably be something along the lines of toppling western powers, to make Middle East more relevant.


The Middle East is almost synonymous with Islam. There is also the (apparently radical) idea of taking people at their word. They are telling you very clearly why they are doing this. Islam is always central to it. Regressive "liberals" can't wrap their heads around the idea that they mean what they say, because they don't understand what it means to truly believe in something with absolute conviction, and therefore it must be that they are oppressed. ISIS is not generally made up of oppressed people though. Many of their recruits are upper/middle class Westerners. The only thing binding them together is religion. They don't care at all about political borders, unless it supports the spread of Islam, and this forceful spreading of the ideology is taken from (arguably misinterpreted, but still very intuitively read) concepts in the Quran and Muhammad's life. Their motives couldn't be clearer. For the life of me, I don't see what non-Muslims stand to gain by denying this.
Nov 23, 2015 4:20 PM

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Charles Manson used to be a scientologist but he found the religion too crazy for him.
Nov 25, 2015 7:20 AM
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Nyarlathothep said:
I wonder what people would answer me. Buddhism, maybe ?? Ever heard of Myanmar, where extremists do awful things to a Muslim ethny ?? Yes, Muslims victims of Buddhists.


The situation in Myanmar is appalling and quite complicated, I'm not trying to justify what's going on there but the country itself has been plagued by civil war, insurgency groups and ethnic tensions for decades.
If you look at the anti-Muslim riots they usually started after deadly incidents, one of the biggest happened after a Buddhist monk was stabbed in the head, stripped naked, had his penis cut off and then was dragged into the local mosque and had acid and petrol poured onto him.
Another was incited after a Muslim from China burned alive a Buddhist woman, another was started after Muslim men allegedly attempted to rape local Buddhist women and another one almost started after two little girls were found dead one of them having been raped.

There were also deadly spillovers between Rohingya Muslim and Rakhine Buddhist migrant workers in Indonesia and Malaysia.
Terrorists also targeted Buddhist sacred sites in India as retaliation and then you have the whole Muslim insurgency issue in Thailand.

Extremist monks are using these incidents to scapegoat Muslims, they often put the gory pictures on display in front of their temples (like here) to further drive the narrative that Muslims are out to exterminate Buddhists. Their goal is to incite more mob violence and pressure the government to further discriminate against the Muslim minority.
Nov 25, 2015 9:21 AM

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Altairius said:


The Middle East is almost synonymous with Islam. There is also the (apparently radical) idea of taking people at their word. They are telling you very clearly why they are doing this. Islam is always central to it. Regressive "liberals" can't wrap their heads around the idea that they mean what they say, because they don't understand what it means to truly believe in something with absolute conviction, and therefore it must be that they are oppressed. ISIS is not generally made up of oppressed people though. Many of their recruits are upper/middle class Westerners. The only thing binding them together is religion. They don't care at all about political borders, unless it supports the spread of Islam, and this forceful spreading of the ideology is taken from (arguably misinterpreted, but still very intuitively read) concepts in the Quran and Muhammad's life. Their motives couldn't be clearer. For the life of me, I don't see what non-Muslims stand to gain by denying this.


Wrong on every level. Here, educate thyself before thyself gets educated: http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/03/mehdi-hasan-how-islamic-islamic-state
Nov 25, 2015 9:35 AM
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AND1CURRYTAPE said:
Wrong on every level. Here, educate thyself before thyself gets educated: http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/03/mehdi-hasan-how-islamic-islamic-state


The response article also made some good points:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/tom-holland-we-must-not-deny-relgious-roots-islamic-state
Nov 25, 2015 9:58 AM

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AND1CURRYTAPE said:
Wrong on every level. Here, educate thyself before thyself gets educated: http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/03/mehdi-hasan-how-islamic-islamic-state


The response article also made some good points:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/tom-holland-we-must-not-deny-relgious-roots-islamic-state



When Islamic State fighters smash the statues of pagan gods, they are following the example of the Prophet; when they proclaim themselves the shock troops of a would-be global empire, they are following the example of the warriors of the original caliphate; when they execute enemy combatants, and impose discriminatory taxes on Christians, and take the women of defeated opponents as slaves, they are doing nothing that the first Muslims did not glory in.


The guy is right on everything except when he declares that IS actions are those of Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions. A display of sheer lack of knowledge on Islamic history on his behalf.
This was the covenant Muhammad (pbuh) signed with the Christians which is a model ascribed for Muslim's treatment of non-Muslim minorities. Now see it for yourself:


Does it match with IS?

Muhammad (pbuh) only tore down the idols of Ka'abah because Ka'abah was to be the new worship place for the Muslims and that Ka'abah was built by Abraham and in his time, there were no idols in it. However, now you might believe that Muslims are allowed to tear down Churches, synagogues or temples to make Mosques? well, nope. Not unless the previous owners of the worship places allows Muslims to do so.

The mentality of building a global Caliphate was nowhere to be found. But the desire that every man on this Earth becomes Muslim, yes that was there and I bear that desire too.

Not even going to comment on Jizya.
Nov 25, 2015 9:59 AM

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In my opinion, all of them.
Nov 25, 2015 10:26 AM
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AND1CURRYTAPE : The point of the article isn't so much about Muhammad as it is about the early history of Islam, there is plenty of violence there to inspire these guys and some of their practices. The second main point is that with the internet and to a lesser extent TV channels as well as widely available translations of the Koran you have an army of self-proclaimed Imams on the internet which leads to many different interpretations and the proliferation of sectarian ideologies.

His point isn't really to say that Islam is inherently evil but it's not accurate either to deem it solely peaceful and insist that there's absolutely nothing Islamic that inspires these groups.
It's the same thing with the Crusades it was definitively inspired by a religious discourse, you may call it a perversion of the religion but it was still inspired by it.
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