Puella Magi Madoka Magica
AzureDaora said: can't speak behalf of kaiki but thats pretty damn accurateOkabe: some crazy mad scientist that has a harem Kaiki: Some 2deep4u guy that likes to lie Shichika: an idiotic outcast that changes into an idiotic revenge freak |
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mayukachan said: at least you get it I thinkAzureDaora said: can't speak behalf of kaiki but thats pretty damn accurateOkabe: some crazy mad scientist that has a harem Kaiki: Some 2deep4u guy that likes to lie Shichika: an idiotic outcast that changes into an idiotic revenge freak Oversimplifying characters doesn't make them bad but only summarizes them and makes them look "bad", ignoring everything else that happens within the content. |
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AzureDaora said: mayukachan said: at least you get it I thinkcan't speak behalf of kaiki but thats pretty damn accurate Oversimplifying characters doesn't make them bad but only summarizes them and makes them look "bad", ignoring everything else that happens within the content. no, i genuinely did not think madoka had strong or complex characters. i also think they were the weak part of the story, as almost all of them didn't get enough fleshing out. s;g and katana did not need strong characters to push the story forward, i thought. |
mayukachan said: JewellTH said: Woah, so much hate on the characters. Why? Madoka : boring happy average protag, unlikeable Yeah, Madoka overflows with happiness. What the hell. |
| Homura is complex shit especially because of the Rebellion movie, Sayaka and Madoka are pretty strong characters. Mami and Kyouko are lacking (actually Madoka as well), but they're good enough. But if you think S;G and Katanagatari did not need strong characters, why push them and expect one from PMMM? |
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| Wouldn't it be easier to admit that a strong character is not the same as a complex and thoroughly developed character? Because that's not what I said when I mentioned that Madoka had strong characters. Madoka is too fast-paced. It lacks properly explored transitions and thorough development. And yet, it has recognizable and empathic personalities. They drive the story with their situational drama. |
Seiya said: I think it's overrated, but I'm not allowed to say anything about it, because someone will give the "You can't say things about Anime you've never seen" BS. But despite not having seen it, it looks far too violent for my taste, and I hate psychological thrillers. There's no way Madoka Magica could hold a candle to greats like Akazukin Chacha, Nurse Angel Ririka SOS, and Futari wa Precure. It's not very violent at all (in terms of blood and gore), but the plot gets pretty dark. |
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jal90 said: ... did someone delete a post?Wouldn't it be easier to admit that a strong character is not the same as a complex and thoroughly developed character? Because that's not what I said when I mentioned that Madoka had strong characters. Madoka is too fast-paced. It lacks properly explored transitions and thorough development. And yet, it has recognizable and empathic personalities. They drive the story with their situational drama. Well, I was about to mention it, but said fuck it because tbh people don't seem to know the difference even when presented to them. Yes, over time after like the 3rd watch of the series I leaned to this, but imo I don't think that "too fast-paced" is the thing. I've said this time and time again, but one of the things I like the best about Madoka is that there is little to no scene that doesn't have relevance to the story as a whole. The interaction, the establishment, etc. Hence why the movie remake, especially the first one, seems so lacking because of constraint of time, despite having removed seemingly inconsequential things. Madoka focused more on the story, it's plot-driven, and with the time it has it has no time to delve upon everything within the characters. So I don't think that it's "too fast paced" (It is fast paced yes, but I don't think it's "too"), but instead that its focus was different and it could have allotted more time to expand on the characters. Which is a close definition, but not really the same. |
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| Would be in my TOP 10 worst shows that I finished. |
| Yup. It's nothing but a deconstruction (nice buzzword there) of the Mahou Shoujo genre. Nothing more, nothing less. It is very average, expect for the art. I think it's butt-ugly. |
Randoll_ said: >Implying TAS is legit opinion descarted |
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jal90 said: I'm just going to make my way out and agree with this as this is more accurate than me shaming the characters for lacking a personality.Wouldn't it be easier to admit that a strong character is not the same as a complex and thoroughly developed character? Because that's not what I said when I mentioned that Madoka had strong characters. Madoka is too fast-paced. It lacks properly explored transitions and thorough development. And yet, it has recognizable and empathic personalities. They drive the story with their situational drama. AzureDaora said: S;G relied on the sci-fi world and I felt like the characters were sufficient - as in if they got any more complicated, the story would deteriorate. Katanagatari, the character interactions and voice acting alone were enough to make it decent. The entire story was not complicated so the characters matched.But if you think S;G and Katanagatari did not need strong characters, why push them and expect one from PMMM? |
AzureDaora said: jal90 said: ... did someone delete a post?Wouldn't it be easier to admit that a strong character is not the same as a complex and thoroughly developed character? Because that's not what I said when I mentioned that Madoka had strong characters. Madoka is too fast-paced. It lacks properly explored transitions and thorough development. And yet, it has recognizable and empathic personalities. They drive the story with their situational drama. Nope, I just jumped a few posts. I was rather talking about your discussion with mayukachan in the early posts of this page and the bottom from last page, but it seems I was a little late to the party :P AzureDaora said: Well, I was about to mention it, but said fuck it because tbh people don't seem to know the difference even when presented to them. Yes, over time after like the 3rd watch of the series I leaned to this, but imo I don't think that "too fast-paced" is the thing. I've said this time and time again, but one of the things I like the best about Madoka is that there is little to no scene that doesn't have relevance to the story as a whole. The interaction, the establishment, etc. Hence why the movie remake, especially the first one, seems so lacking because of constraint of time, despite having removed seemingly inconsequential things. Madoka focused more on the story, it's plot-driven, and with the time it has it has no time to delve upon everything within the characters. So I don't think that it's "too fast paced" (It is fast paced yes, but I don't think it's "too"), but instead that its focus was different and it could have allotted more time to expand on the characters. Which is a close definition, but not really the same. Not that I disagree. Every scene in Madoka seems made with the purpose of advancing the plot, and it's clear where do priorities lie. And yet, the case of Mami didn't work properly, if at all. It worked as a shock effect for the audience but it didn't manage to further resonate. A case of story advancing faster than characters. I don't think it's exactly a matter of priorities, even if priorities here took a role. I think it just couldn't fit everything it wanted to in such a short amount of time. It's not that the series didn't need the whole chain of events that ended up conforming and putting in context the situation, if anything it needed more things to happen and more time to be spent. It moved too fast. |
| Yes, I do. The ending was admittedly kinda cool, but first 8 or so episodes are very boring, and I don't really like most of the characters. (Except for Kyouko. She's cool.) |
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| No, it's one of the only magical girl shows that I actually like. |
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach"  |
| it's still Mahou Shoujo. |
jal90 said: AzureDaora said: ... did someone delete a post? Nope, I just jumped a few posts. I was rather talking about your discussion with mayukachan in the early posts of this page and the bottom from last page, but it seems I was a little late to the party :P Oh XD I first thought that you were talking to me and I was like "wut" AzureDaora said: Well, I was about to mention it, but said fuck it because tbh people don't seem to know the difference even when presented to them. Yes, over time after like the 3rd watch of the series I leaned to this, but imo I don't think that "too fast-paced" is the thing. I've said this time and time again, but one of the things I like the best about Madoka is that there is little to no scene that doesn't have relevance to the story as a whole. The interaction, the establishment, etc. Hence why the movie remake, especially the first one, seems so lacking because of constraint of time, despite having removed seemingly inconsequential things. Madoka focused more on the story, it's plot-driven, and with the time it has it has no time to delve upon everything within the characters. So I don't think that it's "too fast paced" (It is fast paced yes, but I don't think it's "too"), but instead that its focus was different and it could have allotted more time to expand on the characters. Which is a close definition, but not really the same. Not that I disagree. Every scene in Madoka seems made with the purpose of advancing the plot, and it's clear where do priorities lie. And yet, the case of Mami didn't work properly, if at all. It worked as a shock effect for the audience but it didn't manage to further resonate. A case of story advancing faster than characters. I don't think it's exactly a matter of priorities, even if priorities here took a role. I think it just couldn't fit everything it wanted to in such a short amount of time. It's not that the series didn't need the whole chain of events that ended up conforming and putting in context the situation, if anything it needed more things to happen and more time to be spent. It moved too fast. While we have no way to actually ascertain what it's supposed to do to the viewers (It never worked for me as a lasting effect as well, especially since I was spoiled to that even before watching the series), I'm pretty sure that it was supposed to leave a lasting effect to the two girls she left behind. Mami never left a lasting impression to us, true, but they did to Madoka and Sayaka. Mami served as Madoka's role model, and basically Sayaka's hope for saving Kamijou. I don't think the series wanted to expand on Mami that much in the first place. Yes, we have her background and her personality explained (before her death), but other than that it never did try to do that at all. I even think that PMMM itself does recognize this, as Madoka was unwilling to save and resurrect Mami(someone that she doesn't know that much), when she was willing to save Sayaka from depression. I do agree that the characters need expansion, though. Hence why Rebellion is greatness, especially in terms of Homura. |
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| Yes to OP's question and also this: mayukachan said: ye son also utena gets plenty of hype around here, don't try to fool me mawaru penguindrum is the one that lacks hype out of ikuhara's works |
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Randoll_ said: No, it's not at all.JewellTH said: Really? You're going to the anime snob!? He's a fucking elitist parody!(I hope he is at least) If he is only a parody then it shouldn't be hard to debunk his arguments? His "criticism" is all just a blob of buzzwords, nitpicking and questionable "criticism". I mean, the first few minutes consist of them talking about Madoka's MOM of all things. What? She's a side character, she was never supposed to have that much. And no, she's not pointless. Then talking about the BACKGROUND, oh god like even the fucking air conditioner |
AzureDaoraNov 6, 2015 6:34 AM
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| I can't even finish the video. He is so wrong at the 5-6 min mark that I just cringe just...watch episode 2. Just, go did he even watch the show even |
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| No Also why are people so obsessed with the word 'overrated' anyway, it literally doesn't mean anything whatsoever other than the fact that your opinion conflicts with the one of the majority I.E: get over it already |
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HaXXspetten said: I.E: get over it already |
| Actually for the amount of criticism it gets from dedicated Urobuchi haters and others I'd say it's underrated. Not that I care. |
| Who cares at this point? lol |
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| It has interesting visuals, the concept is ok. Meh characters. Hated the ending. |
AzureDaora said: I can't even finish the video. He is so wrong at the 5-6 min mark that I just cringe just...watch episode 2. Just, go did he even watch the show even You're not a real man until you watch both his overviews on FZ and Madoka without punching the screen or ripping out your hair. |
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Lollo36 said: seems I'm not a real man thenAzureDaora said: I can't even finish the video. He is so wrong at the 5-6 min mark that I just cringe just...watch episode 2. Just, go did he even watch the show even You're not a real man until you watch both his overviews on FZ and Madoka without punching the screen or ripping out your hair. brb going to go gay |
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Lollo36 said: AzureDaora said: I can't even finish the video. He is so wrong at the 5-6 min mark that I just cringe just...watch episode 2. Just, go did he even watch the show even You're not a real man if you don't watch both his overviews on FZ and Madoka without punching the screen or ripping out your hair. Don't take it too seriously. I watch his videos and laugh at the pathetic criticisms. |
| idk, maybe a bit, but I don't really care either way. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
marlonnoti said: mayukachan said: That, and Haikyu, Ping Pong, Shigatsu, Wolf Children, Space Brothers, Major, Nana, Usagi Drop, Chihayafuru, Nodame, Sakamichi, Barakamon, Baccano... haikyu is fucking horse shit, it's disgusting as fuck, i want to beat up the author, if you play volley you'll understand my anger. the characters looks like they have a fucking down syndrome Pass me the salt please, you've had enough I believe. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
OneTrueEmiya said: Thats my exact reaction for your image. Posting that shit again? |
marlonnoti said: Woah calm downmayukachan said: That, and Haikyu, Ping Pong, Shigatsu, Wolf Children, Space Brothers, Major, Nana, Usagi Drop, Chihayafuru, Nodame, Sakamichi, Barakamon, Baccano... haikyu is fucking horse shit, it's disgusting as fuck, i want to beat up the author, if you play volley you'll understand my anger. the characters looks like they have a fucking down syndrome It's just Haikyuu not Tokyo Ghoul |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| the weekly overrated thread goes tooo..... |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Yeah definitely. Too much melodrama, crying , teenaged angst, deus ex machina ending. |
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marlonnoti said: mayukachan said: That, and Haikyu, Ping Pong, Shigatsu, Wolf Children, Space Brothers, Major, Nana, Usagi Drop, Chihayafuru, Nodame, Sakamichi, Barakamon, Baccano... haikyu is fucking horse shit, it's disgusting as fuck, i want to beat up the author, if you play volley you'll understand my anger. the characters looks like they have a fucking down syndrome i play volleyball... i dont understand ur anger.... |
mayukachan said: marlonnoti said: haikyu is fucking horse shit, it's disgusting as fuck, i want to beat up the author, if you play volley you'll understand my anger. the characters looks like they have a fucking down syndrome i play volleyball... i dont understand ur anger.... lmao for real. The only difference is the added inner monologue and drama. I mean without those what's the point of the anime/manga, might as well watch a real volleyball match. |
DrGeroCreation said: I wish people knew what deus ex machina meant.Yeah definitely. Too much melodrama, crying , teenaged angst, deus ex machina ending. |
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