I'd like it because of shit reviews  |
| That review is glorious. |
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mayukachan said: I'd like it because of shit reviews I really hope that was supposed to be a joke. I can't tell anymore. |
| "Fuck Free right in the ass!" lol |
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| I've noticed many troll/joke reviews with a score of 10 lately. I don't know if it's related to the removal of the "Not Helpful" vote. |
Eclapa said: I've noticed many troll/joke reviews with a score of 10 lately. I don't know if it's related to the removal of the "Not Helpful" vote. Seem like it. |
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Eclapa said: I've noticed many troll/joke reviews with a score of 10 lately. I don't know if it's related to the removal of the "Not Helpful" vote. It is not. |
Eclapa said: They've always been there.I've noticed many troll/joke reviews with a score of 10 lately. I don't know if it's related to the removal of the "Not Helpful" vote. |
mayukachan said: "my favourite chinese cartoon is receiving a negative review because of legitimate reasons including shallow characters-- THIS REVIEW A SHIT!" <- you right nowI'd like it because of shit reviews I do want a "Not Helpful" button though. So many 12 year olds writing shitty reviews, and you can tell it's their first time writing. Besides, why include a Helpful button? It's a dumb placebo. You can't tell how many people disagreed with your review, so you can't tell what you did wrong. |
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Syrup- said: No, they're blinded by the muscles and their own male insecurities that they can't see past it to realize the characters have personalities and aren't just flaunting their penises around. Comparing it to Hetalia was a mistake, that just means the review is shit.mayukachan said: "my favourite chinese cartoon is receiving a negative review because of legitimate reasons including shallow characters-- THIS REVIEW A SHIT!" <- you right nowI'd like it because of shit reviews |
Eclapa said: I've noticed many troll/joke reviews with a score of 10 lately. I don't know if it's related to the removal of the "Not Helpful" vote. It has been removed a relatively long time ago though, so why would it be? |
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| OP, you should add a poll to this! Also, please add these related posts in your description: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1438730 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1439917 |
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| 100% Agree with you , there are a lot of troll/nonsense reviews |
| While I do question your standards of "good", I do agree that we need that button back. It kind of destroys the point of criticism if there is only one option. |
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| Add it back but let the users who upvote/downvote be showned? |
| added the fourth most popular anime onto this site |
EvenJellyOn said: Add it back but let the users who upvote/downvote be showned? I like this. Because I really don't see the point of a "Helpful" button alone. It's okay yet in the first weeks of a release or so, but then it becomes a bit useless. |
EvenJellyOn said: Privacy issues.........i think not..........i think.........very little.............Add it back but let the users who upvote/downvote be showned? |
Read Toriko! |
OppaiSugoi said: #BringBackNotHelpfulButton seriously. |
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OppaiSugoi said: OppaiSugoi said: #BringBackNotHelpfulButton seriously. OppaiSugoi said: OppaiSugoi said: #BringBackNotHelpfulButton seriously. OppaiSugoi said: OppaiSugoi said: #BringBackNotHelpfulButton seriously. OppaiSugoi said: OppaiSugoi said: #BringBackNotHelpfulButton seriously. |
| Read Toriko! |
| I agree. Getting rid of the 'Not Helpful' button kind of screws anyone posting a new review. As things are now the top reviews are not so much about quality as much as it is age. The older reviews that have been around longer and accumulated votes will now stay on top regardless of quality simply because they have had more people vote on them over time. Tomorrow someone could write the greatest review ever and once it passes off the recent reviews page it will probably never be seen again. It will never get as many votes as the older reviews and be pushed back into the later page limbo. |
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| Good Idea, I like it. Don't really know why they decided to remove it all of a sudden. |
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Milk_is_Special said: It was far not all of sudden. Ppl wanted change in the review system for at least 3 years.Good Idea, I like it. Don't really know why they decided to remove it all of a sudden. |
| So I see, through the Search page, that people complained about bias and fanatics clicking "Not Helpful" when a review didn't praise their beloved anime/manga. Well, I think there should be a better option than removing the button. Supposedly, the staff is thinking about it, and if so, this topic might be locked like the previous ones. Delenai said: Milk_is_Special said: It was far not all of sudden. Ppl wanted change in the review system for at least 3 years.Good Idea, I like it. Don't really know why they decided to remove it all of a sudden. What people? Why? And this doesn't make the change not sudden. |
| This topic has been explained and discussed many times in the original thread, and changes are coming, yet when is another question. |
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Eclapa said: So I see, through the Search page, that people complained about bias and fanatics clicking "Not Helpful" when a review didn't praise their beloved anime/manga. Well, I think there should be a better option than removing the button. Supposedly, the staff is thinking about it, and if so, this topic might be locked like the previous ones. What people? Why? And this doesn't make the change not sudden. If you are interested use the search... Oh wait, you already did, so why are you asking me? And probably you don't know what sudden means, or what did you expected? The mods will tell you what are they doing every minute? They never did before so this is not a big "wasisdas". Also anno the mods said they will do something with the review system... and they did. |
DelenaiOct 20, 2015 12:37 PM
| Possibly related: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1451232 |
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| Hasn't it always been this way? |
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Grudge said: >Please bring back >it'll never be seen I beg your pardon, but there is something I don't understand: what’s the point of your message? To bring back "Not Helpful" button, which gives higher chance for the new reviews to be seen |
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| Why are people still onto this idea of bringing back the Not Helpful vote option... Just wait for the Helpful vs Time order to be released and the matter will be balanced out. |
Subpyro said: Just wait for the Helpful vs Time order to be released and the matter will be balanced out. So that's a planned addition? |
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Tensho said: So that's a planned addition? Well, it was the most supported one when I recommended it when the staff was taking feedback and ideas on how to proceed. It is the most logical from an analytic point of view, too. |
| The 'not helpful' button is not coming back. Sorting options and other features will be added soon to give newer reviews a better chance at being seen. When exactly this is happening is completely in the air and up to the development team. It bothers me as much as it bothers you. Until these changes are implemented, the only thing I can really suggest is reviewing less popular anime/manga, as there are many entries on the site which have few (if any) reviews. |
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Grudge said: Good for the people who can't take any criticism whatsoever, yes. For serious reviewers who actually care about improving themselves, not reallyWhile I do agree that the new review system is not a good idea, it also has its positive sides. What I mean is that you can try your hand at being a reviewer on MAL and no one will give you a negative feedback on your reviews. Furthermore, you won’t be able to create duplicated accounts to down vote the reviews of your rivals. (You still can up vote your reviews, but in the near future, it won’t be possible as well). When exactly is the "near future"?I am sure that you don’t know about these down vote raids; these raids were the only thing discouraging our reviewers from writing. "Up voting raids" are not the slightest bit betterBefore throwing a knife at the staff, why not give them some time? It's been over three months since they removed the "Not helpful" button. What has happened since then? Nothing. Not even an announcement. I think we've waited long enoughVeronin said: So why haven't we heard from the guys in the development team for months? It shouldn't be that hard to create a thread where they tell us how much they've progressed so far, when they plan on implementing the changes etcThe 'not helpful' button is not coming back. Sorting options and other features will be added soon to give newer reviews a better chance at being seen. When exactly this is happening is completely in the air and up to the development team. It bothers me as much as it bothers you. Until these changes are implemented, the only thing I can really suggest is reviewing less popular anime/manga, as there are many entries on the site which have few (if any) reviews. |
Comic_SansNov 16, 2015 11:20 AM
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: It's been over three months since they removed the "Not helpful" button. What has happened since then? Nothing. Not even an announcement. I think we've waited long enough Veronin said: So why haven't we heard from the guys in the development team for months? It shouldn't be that hard to create a thread where they tell us how much they've progressed so far, when they plan on implementing the changes etcThe 'not helpful' button is not coming back. Sorting options and other features will be added soon to give newer reviews a better chance at being seen. When exactly this is happening is completely in the air and up to the development team. It bothers me as much as it bothers you. Until these changes are implemented, the only thing I can really suggest is reviewing less popular anime/manga, as there are many entries on the site which have few (if any) reviews. Exactly. Usually I wouldn't agree with Comic_Sans because I believe stuff like this can't be handled too straight-forward but this time, that's the honest truth. 2 and a half months ago, I'd defend this position that "we should wait a little" and "give devs time to sort things out" but that was 2 long months ago. Anyone who checks the announcement thread will see that I was still defending the changes and asking for people to, just like me, have some patience. Ironically, while doing it, I found myself target of an angry mob before the lock. Was it worth it? Fuck, no. This administration seems unable to understand the basics of customer relation. MAL provides us a service, and even thought we don't pay for it, we directly influence its income and value generating traffic for it. It's expected from a company to have at least the decency of updating its users on the situation of relevant changes to the site. If Facebook (also a free platform) suddenly shuts down the "Event" feature with a sole announcement of "we're improving it!" and stays silent for more than 2 months, what do you think would happen? What can we take from their attitude of staying dead silent? That they don't give a fuck to user feedback and satisfaction. Sometimes I wish this wasn't a bloody monopoly. That we had a similar list-organizing site to compete with this one. I'd love to see if such "updates" would be pushed with this little (zero) community interaction if they had traffic to lose. Orkut says hi. -- We should just get rid of the system already. Deleted everything. DeNA, or whoever is behind this, clearly doesn't have any idea how to control this feature. While they delay even further this magical promised sorting options, we get more and more PERMANENT entries to the DB filled with pathetic, MEME spouting, rage-filled, LOOK AT ME I KNOW SOME FANCY CURSING WORDS, tasteless "reviews" who are constantly projections of someone's random blog thoughts on a show rather than a REVIEW of its good and bad points. |
Veronin said: The 'not helpful' button is not coming back. Sorting options and other features will be added soon to give newer reviews a better chance at being seen. When exactly this is happening is completely in the air and up to the development team. It bothers me as much as it bothers you. Until these changes are implemented, the only thing I can really suggest is reviewing less popular anime/manga, as there are many entries on the site which have few (if any) reviews. Why don't you guys listen to feedback? The response to this change is overwhelmingly negative, and those sorting options are not going to fix the problem. |
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Narmy said: and those sorting options are not going to fix the problem. Which is? |
Subpyro said: Narmy said: and those sorting options are not going to fix the problem. Which is? The fact that people don't care about the reviews, but rather the score the reviewer gives. I mean, in the announcement thread, the mods themselves recognised that scores were the reason for the down/upvote raids and yet it's not trashed. Instead, they decided to "hide" it. |
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Grudge said: And why it won't be possible?Furthermore, you won’t be able to create duplicated accounts to down vote the reviews of your rivals. (You still can up vote your reviews, but in the near future, it won’t be possible as well). |
| That was posted 2 years ago. Near future, lol. The sole reason they removed this feauture is exactly because they gave up on idea of detecting dups. |
Grudge said: [/quote][spoiler] Kineta said: 4. Due to the massive drama surrounding review voting lately and the opportunity presenting itself, I have asked Xinil to code me the ability to see which user accounts vote on which reviews. I do not currently have an ETA on when we will see this change, but I hope it will be within the next few months. Since this is now in progress, I would like to ask that all reviewers/readers:
The plan is actually to make all these votes (the username, not the IP) visible to users as well so that they can easily see when someone is using multiple accounts to upvote a review. The unhelpful button was removed primarily because it would not work with this system: reviewers would downvote people who downvoted their own reviews, attack and insult each other, and so on. We'd just be replacing drama with more drama. Making the votes visible only to moderators is also not possible since we do not have the time or resources to investigate every single review in the off chance that there may be vote manipulation. Making it public is the best way to discourage people from doing it and to find the ones who do. |
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| Nobody cares about reviews anyway, just get rid of them. It's a waste of time revamping the whole thing if all people are going to do is complain. |
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| Dude it doesn't matter that much. |
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