20+ Umineko Mafia Game Prototype

Uuh said:
When the game starts? (sorry if its already mentioned, I dont seem to find it anywhere ><)

Luna_ said:
Yay, Umineko!

I have a few questions and remarks about the roles (also because I believe many people in this club don't know much about mafia games, so making some things clearer would help them).

Town can win by just outnumbering the mafia? They don't have to kill them all? (never seen this before in a game, that's why I'm asking)
I think I have to refraze that...Town wins if there is only 1 Mafia player left standing and there are more than 3 players
And if there are 2 players remaining one mafia, one town, Town wins.

Kinzo Ushiromiya: I wonder if 3 servants is a bit too overpowered... especially when all three servants know each others identities. But I have no idea about balancing, so idk.
Well pointed, I thought that making the Lovers would be a handicap but there can also be added another rule if you think Kinzo is overpowered...
if Genji dies Kinzo looses his night bulletproof ability
How does it sound?

Krauss Ushiromyia: Only Cop, Doctor, Roleblocker count as power roles? Or are these just examples for any town role except Vanilla Townie / Townie Lover?
I consider only those three power roles if I added others there would be too many

Natsuhi Ushiromyia: You will probably not only see if person X was visited by someone but also get as result that it was person Y?
Yes she will also get the identity of the people visiting person X

Jessica/George Ushiromyia: So the actual lover pairs are Jessica + Kannon and George + Shannon? You only know about this after reading the roles for Shannon/Kannon... Also, will both people in a pair die if one gets killed like this is usually the case for lovers?
>< I thought it would be a nice idea to add the lovers...hmm I wouldn't want to kill that many players at a time so the other Lover won't die if his Lover is killed ^^(*secretly supporting the lovers)

Terumasa Nanjo: Can he protect the same person two nights in a row? Can he protect himself?
He can protect the same person two nights in a row, but not himself two night in a row

Can only Beatrice and Lambda kill from the mafia? Or all mafia members? (Usually it's all)
Well they all can kill, but the abilities are triggered only if a specific person kills (ex lambdelta janitor ability)

If other mafia members can kill as well, can they use their other abilities at the same time? Or only some of them?
You can choose not to use your ability if you want to kill, but you will have to state so in the PM

Eva Beatrice: Is her ability an additional mafia kill?
I was thinking to make her third party, but that would complicate things....so yes her ability is an additional mafia kill and after that she dies and she cannot choose to make a kill and not use her ability when she kills she automatically triggers the ability

Sorry for the many questions, but I think it will help everyone a lot ^^

turquoise_neko said:
Can only Beatrice and Lambda kill from the mafia? Or all mafia members? (Usually it's all)
Well they all can kill, but the abilities are triggered only if a specific person kills (ex lambdelta janitor ability)

Astros said:
This will be a quick game then, gonna be four bodies a night.

turquoise_neko said:
Four bodies are kind of too much, hmmm....
Well then
There will be only one nightkill from the Mafia Team each Night
(exception when Witch Eva Ushiromyia appears then there can be 2 nightkills)

Astros said:
Then Lambdadelta will need her ability revoked besides appearing town in investigated.

turquoise_neko said:
But isn't that a basic Janitor role?

Astros said:
I suppose, guessing you want the ability to take the place of a regular kill then?

turquoise_neko said:


Four bodies are kind of too much, hmmm....
Well then
There will be only one nightkill from the Mafia Team each Night
(exception when Witch Eva Ushiromyia appears then there can be 2 nightkills)

turquoise_neko said:
>< I thought it would be a nice idea to add the lovers...hmm I wouldn't want to kill that many players at a time so the other Lover won't die if his Lover is killed ^^(*secretly supporting the lovers)

Luna_ said:


Do the Lovers know each other as well then? Then a servant knows the identiy of 5 people (3 servants, Kinzo, his lover). If they don't die both I think that this is really overpowered then...
But yeah, I can understand that killing too many people isn't nice (I even suggested myself in the suggestions thread that not too many people should be killed). So maybe this can be tweaked a bit. I'm too tired to think about this now though. But it either shouldn't be called Lovers then or clearly stated in their role description. Because people usually know Lover as "know the other lover's identity and die with the lover".

turquoise_neko said:

Well pointed, I thought that making the Lovers would be a handicap but there can also be added another rule if you think Kinzo is overpowered...
if Genji dies Kinzo looses his night bulletproof ability
How does it sound?

turquoise_neko said:
Well I kind of do not want the Lovers to know their identity, makes the game more interesting...
But then again @ alpha has a point...why risk your life to protect someone when you have mafia after you hmmm I think I'll add a little bonus
The Power of Love:
When you protect your Lover for the first time you have a 1-shot Bulletproof and your identity is also hidden. The identity of your lover will be revealed to you then but you cannot tell him during the game directly ^^ After this if you decide to protect the Lover again and he is targeted you will die and your identity revealed

alphametroid said:
Reading what the lovers abilities actually do I think the suggestion of making genji te sole bodyguard is a good idea. I understand the ability to reveal one characters identity, but at the cost of one of the witches it seems pretty steep when they could just target and kill that person at night to find out. Judging by the way you say she can't use her ability with only 3 people remaining makes it sound like the mafia don't know their own members? Otherwise if 2 of the three members were mafia there would be no point in finding out the last person cause mafia would already outnumber them?

alphametroid said:
Even then at the cost of the witch dying it's just not worth it, having played mafia games where the mafia has a person with the power to determine an identity each night the role still wasn't overpowered. In this particular game the power is maybe a bit stronger so I think letting her use it 2-3 times without dying should be fine.