| I don't get the fascination with this group yet I see them brought up frequently here. Beastie Boys and Public enemy were better. |
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Nicoreos said: Don't you dare hate on Wu Tang Clan. They're probably one of the best East Coast Hip Hop acts in history. I'd consider them influential to many rappers today. :/ |
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amazingbrian said: Oh nigga is a racist word :(Aureolus said: Edgy people how the fuck is liking wutang "Edgy"? diversify your bonds, nigga |
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Nicoreos said: Don't you dare hate on Wu Tang Clan. They're probably one of the best East Coast Hip Hop acts in history. I'd consider them influential to many rappers today. You tell him, Nico. |
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| I'm not that experienced in Hip-Hop, but "Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)" is just fuckin god-tier. |
| the Wu-Tang pretty much introduced the boombap sound that ruled the East Coast during the first half of the 90s to the mainstream public and were just incredibly influential and original for that time. they were the perfect example of the Golden Era NY hiphop sound. besides that their creativity was crazy, from the backstories behind their names to RZA sampling old Shaolin/Kung-Fu movies in his beats. they put out some great albums including the masterpiece 36 Chambers and most Wu-Tang members dropped memorable solo albums (Liquid Swords, Onlu Built 4 Cuban Linx, Supreme Clientele to name a few), leading towards some succesful solo careers. however, they haven't been what they used to be for quite some time now imo. |
1017 said: the Wu-Tang pretty much introduced the boombap sound that ruled the East Coast during the first half of the 90s to the mainstream public and were just incredibly influential and original for that time. they were the perfect example of the Golden Era NY hiphop sound. besides that their creativity was crazy, from the backstories behind their names to RZA sampling old Shaolin/Kung-Fu movies in his beats. they put out some great albums including the masterpiece 36 Chambers and most Wu-Tang members dropped memorable solo albums (Liquid Swords, Onlu Built 4 Cuban Linx, Supreme Clientele to name a few), leading towards some succesful solo careers. however, they haven't been what they used to be for quite some time now imo. Their last album was so bland :( |
Where the fuck did Monday go? |
| Migos is the greatest |
goatkage said: Migos is the greatest |
| 36 Chambers is a top 5 all-time hip hop album. The real question should be, what's the big deal about Tupac? |
| 2pac is catchier, outside of the immaculate piano sample in CREAM, which is the only thing I like from Wu-Tang. I don't get why people worship the hyper-aggressive, tryhard style that Wu-Tang popularized. It's just off-putting, and more about impressing than expressing. East coast in general is often like that. It's very hard and straightforward tracks that are mainly just platforms for a showcasing of wordplay prowess (very different from actual lyrical talent). West and southern were more funky and musical, and the rappers had infinitely less pretension of being serious lyricists. They were more of a proper extension of disco, which is where the music started and is naturally oriented towards. |
| I like them. Not quite Public Enemy (but then again, who is?) but far more enjoyable than what most other hip hop artists tend to offer. I don't listen to hip-hop too often but when I do then Wu-Tang are one of my go-to artists. |
ImaginaryFire said: 36 Chambers is a top 5 all-time hip hop album. The real question should be, what's the big deal about Tupac? yooo man west coast thug life fuck Biggie!!!!11!!!!!!!!1!!111!!!!!! |
| I like Public Enemy more too, but I'm not taking anything away from the Wu-Tang Clan. |
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Aureolus said: amazingbrian said: how the fuck is liking wutang "Edgy"? diversify your bonds, nigga That reaction alone proves my point. No it doesn't lol, not in the slightest. Get off your high horse. |
LashLethal said: What's the big deal about The Beatles? What's the big deal about any musician? Music is for plebz. |
| In all seriousness, Altairius said: I don't get why people worship the hyper-aggressive, tryhard style that Wu-Tang popularized. It's just off-putting, and more about impressing than expressing. East coast in general is often like that. It's very hard and straightforward tracks that are mainly just platforms for a showcasing of wordplay prowess (very different from actual lyrical talent). West and southern were more funky and musical, and the rappers had infinitely less pretension of being serious lyricists. They were more of a proper extension of disco, which is where the music started and is naturally oriented towards. I wouldn't call Wu-Tang tryhard. At least not 36 Chambers, which is obviously their famed/acclaimed album. I know some of the lyrics are abrasive and graphic, but it's actually a pretty carefree and humorous album, albeit the humor can be described as twisted. But Wu-Tang could "express" when they wanted to. They have plenty of thought-provoking and serious songs. To be fair though, I won't say you're completely wrong with your statement that a decent portion of their tracks are just to showcase wordplay talent rather than lyrical talent. I understand what you mean. Braggadocious tracks have always been a staple in the hip-hop genre though. Pretty much every rapper I can think of has a song like that. |
| Wu-Tang had a lot of individual artists (ODB, RZA, GZA, Method Man, Ghostface Killa, Raekwon) who went on to have successful and influential solo careers. As a group they ruled East Coast hip hop for much of the early 90's. |
LashLethal said: I've explained this before. Do I need to do it again?What's the big deal about The Beatles? |
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Bloodshade said: both who?They're both bad. IMHO. |
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Waifu_Strangler said: Bloodshade said: both who?They're both bad. IMHO. Beatles and Wu-Tang. |
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Bloodshade said: Waifu_Strangler said: both who? Beatles and Wu-Tang. Then who's good? |
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Waifu_Strangler said: Bloodshade said: Beatles and Wu-Tang. Then who's good? Anything I like. The list would be pretty long. I don't really like rap music so its all bad to me. So, can't really objectively judge an artist of that genre. i wouldn't know what to listen for. As for Beatles, they were mediocre (not bad), but they weren't great. Its just that I find them to be extremely overrated. Majority of the music I listen to is metal which varies greatly depending the sub-genre. Here is some of the stuff I've transferred over to my new media player. I have a lot more, but this is all I have added for now.  Anyway, different strokes for different folks. |
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| The big deal is fury in my eyes sword on my side. |
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amazingbrian said: Aureolus said: Edgy people how the fuck is liking wutang "Edgy"? diversify your bonds, nigga I wouldn't say edgy per se, but middle-class/rich white kids being way into Wu-Tang and other gangsta rap was always cringeworthy to me. I'm not saying they can't like it at all, but there were kids who listened to almost nothing but rap, and it's like... motherfucker you grew up in Laguna Beach. It's good to be rich and white, embrace it. |
| The big deal about Wu Tang is that before you even had a name, you were screaming "WU TANG". |
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Altairius said: amazingbrian said: how the fuck is liking wutang "Edgy"? diversify your bonds, nigga I wouldn't say edgy per se, but middle-class/rich white kids being way into Wu-Tang and other gangsta rap was always cringeworthy to me. I'm not saying they can't like it at all, but there were kids who listened to almost nothing but rap, and it's like... motherfucker you grew up in Laguna Beach. It's good to be rich and white, embrace it. so you're basically saying that if you're white and/or rich you shouldn't listen to hiphop because it isn't made for 'your kind of people'? I'm sorry but if you think there are any age, race, sex or income boundaries to any music genre you're a bellend. |
| I'm saying it seems phony. There's no way they actually relate to it, and that's important in such a lyrical genre. If anything I respect those rappers much more than they do, in that I don't listen to them ironically like a lot of kids seem to. I listen casually, once in a while with an outsider's interest. I don't doubt they also like it on some level, but there's an air of jokingness to it, like they're kind of making fun of the music too. Part of it is also that they can vicariously feel like a badass with this music, momentarily escaping their sheltered existence without having to deal with the hardship those guys did. But for example, I don't belittle a guy like Eminem, because he actually grew up in similar circumstances. I know there's the nerdy hip hop too, but honestly that style has always seemed inherently awkward to me. None of the best hip hop falls into that category. Hip hop, as it appears to me, is a music born from necessity and struggle, minimalistic and lyrical in order to convey a message, and of course as dance music. |
| Quite enjoyed this thread so far tbh. Keep it going. |
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Altairius said: I'm saying it seems phony. There's no way they actually relate to it, and that's important in such a lyrical genre. If anything I respect those rappers much more than they do, in that I don't listen to them ironically like a lot of kids seem to. I listen casually, once in a while with an outsider's interest. I don't doubt they also like it on some level, but there's an air of jokingness to it, like they're kind of making fun of the music too. Part of it is also that they can vicariously feel like a badass with this music, momentarily escaping their sheltered existence without having to deal with the hardship those guys did. But for example, I don't belittle a guy like Eminem, because he actually grew up in similar circumstances. I know there's the nerdy hip hop too, but honestly that style has always seemed inherently awkward to me. None of the best hip hop falls into that category. Hip hop, as it appears to me, is a music born from necessity and struggle, minimalistic and lyrical in order to convey a message, and of course as dance music. I disagree with you on that. |
-shotz said: Bloodshade said: wtf if you dislike rap in general your opinion on wu-tang is pretty much meaningless anyway. Anything I like. The list would be pretty long. I don't really like rap music so its all bad to me. OT- wu-tang is great. as far as non-guitar driven music goes, 36 chambers is probably my favorite record. some amazing songs on that record. Everyone's opinion is meaningless. That's news to you? |
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Bacardi-x-Cola said: ImaginaryFire said: 36 Chambers is a top 5 all-time hip hop album. The real question should be, what's the big deal about Tupac? You tryin' to start a war you bitch ass nigga? No, just stating that I believe to be true. Tupac is incredibly overrated. People only worship him because he got killed. His music frankly is average. Yeah, he talks about "deep shit," but so do many other rappers. I'm saying this as a guy who was obsessed with Tupac growing up. He's not that great. |
| 36 Chambers was revolutionary, Wu-Tang Forever was a masterpiece. Everything thereafter was forgettable. |
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ImaginaryFire said: Altairius said: I'm saying it seems phony. There's no way they actually relate to it, and that's important in such a lyrical genre. If anything I respect those rappers much more than they do, in that I don't listen to them ironically like a lot of kids seem to. I listen casually, once in a while with an outsider's interest. I don't doubt they also like it on some level, but there's an air of jokingness to it, like they're kind of making fun of the music too. Part of it is also that they can vicariously feel like a badass with this music, momentarily escaping their sheltered existence without having to deal with the hardship those guys did. But for example, I don't belittle a guy like Eminem, because he actually grew up in similar circumstances. I know there's the nerdy hip hop too, but honestly that style has always seemed inherently awkward to me. None of the best hip hop falls into that category. Hip hop, as it appears to me, is a music born from necessity and struggle, minimalistic and lyrical in order to convey a message, and of course as dance music. I disagree with you on that. That's not the part I expected people to disagree on. |
ImaginaryFire said: Bacardi-x-Cola said: You tryin' to start a war you bitch ass nigga? No, just stating that I believe to be true. Tupac is incredibly overrated. People only worship him because he got killed. His music frankly is average. Yeah, he talks about "deep shit," but so do many other rappers. I'm saying this as a guy who was obsessed with Tupac growing up. He's not that great. AAAWWWWWWW SHIT! (Biggie was better than Pac imho, so I'm kinda with you on this one - but dayum son...) |
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PhilFightmaster said: ImaginaryFire said: No, just stating that I believe to be true. Tupac is incredibly overrated. People only worship him because he got killed. His music frankly is average. Yeah, he talks about "deep shit," but so do many other rappers. I'm saying this as a guy who was obsessed with Tupac growing up. He's not that great. AAAWWWWWWW SHIT! (Biggie was better than Pac imho, so I'm kinda with you on this one - but dayum son...) I never got this. Supposedly Ready to Die is better than any Pac album, but I see it as only having a few ok tunes, and none are all that catchy. Pac on the other hand has several catchy tunes, and a more substantial discography. Maybe BIG had a more believable persona, but I don't see why I should care. |
Altairius said: PhilFightmaster said: AAAWWWWWWW SHIT! (Biggie was better than Pac imho, so I'm kinda with you on this one - but dayum son...) I never got this. Supposedly Ready to Die is better than any Pac album, but I see it as only having a few ok tunes, and none are all that catchy. Pac on the other hand has several catchy tunes, and a more substantial discography. Maybe BIG had a more believable persona, but I don't see why I should care. For one, Tupac's flow and lyrical dexterity are a joke compared to Biggie's. |
ImaginaryFire said: Altairius said: I never got this. Supposedly Ready to Die is better than any Pac album, but I see it as only having a few ok tunes, and none are all that catchy. Pac on the other hand has several catchy tunes, and a more substantial discography. Maybe BIG had a more believable persona, but I don't see why I should care. For one, Tupac's flow and lyrical dexterity are a joke compared to Biggie's. And this: Biggie was a man made out of feelings, and I really dig the way he put his feelings into words. And Sky is the Limit might be his very best track in that regard. Tupac had amazing taste when it came down to pure inspiration, but I don't think he encapsulated his genius that well in his songs most of the times (exception: the 7 day theory. which is just fucking genius all around). |
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