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May 27, 2015 3:09 PM
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I am starting out on a journey to build my first gaming PC. My end goal is to be able to play the Witcher 3 on max settings. The one i have now is ok but cant handle games like that, the best it can do is run mass effect and the witcher 1 with minor lag at max settings.

i have never built a PC before and am not to sure about the whole process with what graphics card to use and things like that

I am doing a lot of research on my own but i know there are some PC veterans out there that want to help a former console gamer to switch over to the master race.

any tips and advice would be swell

this is what i am going off right now

http://lifehacker.com/5828747/how-to-build-a-computer-from-scratch-the-complete-guide

thanks friends :)
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May 27, 2015 3:16 PM
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holy shit this is awesome

and this kept up to date with the latest stuff?
May 27, 2015 3:20 PM
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Yes it's up-to-date to my knowledge. Also, make sure to scroll down and read all the info on each individual component.
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PSI-Gale said:
I am starting out on a journey to build my first gaming PC. My end goal is to be able to play the Witcher 3 on max settings. The one i have now is ok but cant handle games like that, the best it can do is run mass effect and the witcher 1 with minor lag at max settings.

i have never built a PC before and am not to sure about the whole process with what graphics card to use and things like that

I am doing a lot of research on my own but i know there are some PC veterans out there that want to help a former console gamer to switch over to the master race.

any tips and advice would be swell

this is what i am going off right now

http://lifehacker.com/5828747/how-to-build-a-computer-from-scratch-the-complete-guide

thanks friends :)


I'm actually doing the same thing mate except my PC will be specifically for audio production. Never built one before although there are few differences between a high end gaming PC and a high end Audio PC I'll be sure to post here and let you know if I find anything worth sharing :)
May 27, 2015 3:26 PM
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Sounds good Thanks a lot bro

may our quests both end in victory (^_^)/
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RockerRollin said:
PSI-Gale said:
I am starting out on a journey to build my first gaming PC. My end goal is to be able to play the Witcher 3 on max settings. The one i have now is ok but cant handle games like that, the best it can do is run mass effect and the witcher 1 with minor lag at max settings.

i have never built a PC before and am not to sure about the whole process with what graphics card to use and things like that

I am doing a lot of research on my own but i know there are some PC veterans out there that want to help a former console gamer to switch over to the master race.

any tips and advice would be swell

this is what i am going off right now

http://lifehacker.com/5828747/how-to-build-a-computer-from-scratch-the-complete-guide

thanks friends :)


I'm actually doing the same thing mate except my PC will be specifically for audio production. Never built one before although there are few differences between a high end gaming PC and a high end Audio PC I'll be sure to post here and let you know if I find anything worth sharing :)


What are you gonna do? Record your songs?
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http://www.logicalincrements.com/

off of this

which tier would be able to run the witcher 3 at max
May 27, 2015 4:10 PM
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Im torn between

Exceptional and Enthusiast
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pretty usefull site i know;
http://www.game-debate.com (there's a feature called "Can I Run It")
http://gpuboss.com (compare your graphics card)
http://cpuboss.com (compare your procie)




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teruu said:
RockerRollin said:


I'm actually doing the same thing mate except my PC will be specifically for audio production. Never built one before although there are few differences between a high end gaming PC and a high end Audio PC I'll be sure to post here and let you know if I find anything worth sharing :)


What are you gonna do? Record your songs?


Yep :)

I work as a musician and currently run a studio with a few other guys on the side. Apple is kind of the music industry standard when it comes to computers and they are great! Just the stuff I'm about to venture into will require a lot more power so I figured I'd build a PC and tailor it specifically to my needs.

PSI-Gale said:
Sounds good Thanks a lot bro

may our quests both end in victory (^_^)/


Haha, fingers crossed! :)
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pretty usefull site i know;
http://www.game-debate.com (there's a feature called "Can I Run It")
http://gpuboss.com (compare your graphics card)
http://cpuboss.com (compare your procie)


these are unreliable sites.
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These are the specs i need

Processor: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4 GHz or AMD FX-8350 4 GHz
Graphics: Nvidia GeForce GTX 770 or AMD Radeon R9 290
RAM: 8 GB
OS: 64-bit Windows 7, 8 or 8.1
DirectX 11
HDD Space: 40 GB

this is what i,m planning to get I will post them bellow

Processor:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=5961731&SID=0

Graphics: http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Version-PCI-Express-Graphics-11226-00-40G/dp/B00HJOKARI/?tag=logicaincrem-20

RAM: http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-12800-240-Pin-BLS8G3D1609DS1S00/dp/B006YG9E7O/?tag=logicaincrem-20

and im not sure what the last 2 are .

im not sure how to tell if graphics cards or processors is good enough
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I would highly recommend more HDD Space, 40GB is really bad dude. Get at least 500GB+ or 1TB. You're building a comp that will hopefully last you a while and I guarantee you will end up upgrading your HDD within 4-6 months. A good motherboard is also very important, make sure you get a motherboard that fits your Processor socket, the Videocard sockets and RAM need to be correct as well.

That site http://www.logicalincrements.com/ is amazing so just basically follow the guided list from Left to Right depending on how much you want to spend and it even gives you estimated cost in each tier.
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Yeah that's what im using i went across the Enthusiast tier

What would u recommend to get for the HDD space

what would u recommend from that sight?

also how can you tell if the stuff you buy will fit together? it would suck if i bought it and they didn't fit

i don't think i will be able to spend much past the enthusiast tier cost
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besides the socket, your motherboard should also have a nb chipset that supports your cpu and an ghz that is equal or greater than your ram.
try pcpartpicker.com for finding parts that meet your budget
also if you dont already know its not a really good idea to have integrated graphics in your cpu
I dont game, but I wouldn't recommend an SDD. It's too costly for it's inadequate speed upgrade,space and data security.
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Hmm so you do not need a SDD?
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if you have the money and you don't care to research stuff on your own too much, just build according to the ''Exceptional'' tier with the GTX 980, it's more than enough to run The Witcher 3 on max settings, all of the components fit together perfectly

no, an SSD is not a necessity to have, you can leave it out of the build if you don't feel like paying for faster loading/boot times
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I've never seen this. It's actually pretty good.

BUT:
At the enthusiast tier.

-Screw SLI. Get a GTX 980 or the best single GPU solution you can afford. You'll be VERY disappointed with SLI performance after spending 600 on GPU's. Also, wait until AMD releases their new radeon series in a couple months because all prices will drop.
-Get 16 GB over 8 GB. More RAM > Lower Latency (CL #) > Faster Ram.
-If you aren't planning on OC'ing your CPU and since SLI is a waste of money, get the Asrock H97. It's a great board.
-You don't need to spend $200 on a case. Find a design you like, but don't go super cheap either. You'll want good cable management and solid construction. At LEAST 3 fans. You can always add fans later, though.

Edit: What is you're budget? I can get more specific.
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around 1500 is my price range can go a bit higher but cant go over 2000
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Like i said my main goal is to run the witcher 3 good at max settings because my computer now can hardly run the first game :,(
May 30, 2015 11:56 AM
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invest some money in the motherboard if you have plans of upgrading your computer in few years


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First off shop for parts on newegg.com. You'll probably save money, but it'll also help to let you know what's out there. There are alternatives to everything, of course.

They have quite a few video guides on what you need to have to have a fully functioning computer, as well as precautions you should take and step by step processes of how to put one together.


Personal experience speaking:
- SLI isn't worth it, get a $350 or so graphics card. Don't shop blindly, but make sure your video card is actually worth that price by examining consumer reviews and such. It'll last you years worth of games at max settings, and will only start to lose some fps from then on. You'll definitely want something made this year, or else late last year.
- SSD's aren't technically worth it, but by god they are like the most awesome luxury item right now. If you don't know what they are specifically, you should take a look and it'll give you some insight into how data storage works.
- Intel and Nvidia are basically the two things that have an unfair advantage in the gaming market, because a lot of games are prioritized around those two things. They perform well, and you should consider those over other products (processor and video cards). Basically two different brands can have nearly identical statistics but one will win over in a lot of scenarios.
- The last I read, Z97 motherboards had some great fixes to intel motherboard tech. That was years ago though, so there's probably something better out now. It isn't exactly super important but you may find yourself to be glad about thinking about things you might discover in the future. You should look into it.
- You want a case that has decent air flow design. If you see a case and it says stuff like "this case is unique with these air vents in these spots with fans to help guide air flow" that's a pretty good sign. You don't even have to look into expensive cases, a lot of cases have cool and functional designs while remaining quite cheap. To be safe you probably want to avoid cases that come with power supplies, as sometimes they can be actually part of the case and be extremely inconvenient, and if you can find one that is "bottom mounted" then that's great (the power supply would sit at the bottom of the case).
- Don't fall for too much flavor text. A lot of parts are nearly identical to each other with different brand names, however there are unique variations to certain things. One thing you don't want to go too crazy over is "80 Plus" on Power Supplies. This is basically an efficiency rating, and plenty of PSU's are decent without it and it isn't reasonable to spend a fortune because of it. However, it is a good sign that the PSU won't suddenly dip in power suddenly and cause issues for your computer, though that's more about weeding out the bad PSU's than a trait of 80 Plus.
- Make sure your parts will all fit each other. Make sure your processor will match your motherboard. Make sure your motherboard will fit in your case. Make sure your video card won't be too long or wide for your case. One good way to avoid size problems is to go with a large case, but that does take up quite a bit of space. Large cases however do tend to have decent airflow.

Above all else, $1500 is perfect as a budget for a PC to play at max performance for the current gaming market, especially if you already have a monitor at your disposal. There's no reason for you to have to sacrifice anything nice to have a great PC on your hands.
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Thanks so much man i really appreciate the tips
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Last question before I post of recommended budget breakdown.

Do you want to overclock the CPU? If not, you can save a lot on the MB.
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The only and best advice I have: Computex is starting NOW, and both Intel, Nvidia and AMD will be launching new platforms so absolutely DO NOT buy any motherboard, CPU, and especially GPU until you know what the new offerings are. Even if you don't change your mind on components, the old ones will take price cuts.

Thrashinuva said:
Personal experience speaking:
- SLI isn't worth it, get a $350 or so graphics card.


DirectX 12 will change that. (Which really is not far away, we're talking weeks not months)

In fact it'll flip everything you know about Xfire/ SLi upside-down.

1.) You can SLi/ Crossfire more than 4 cards under DirectX 12

2.) On DirectX 11, two graphics cards with 2GB of VRAM will still only be able to use 2GB of VRAM. In DirectX 12, they are now pooled for 4GB of VRAM.

3.) DirectX 12 will allow you to use ANY graphics cards (and integrated graphics) together, even AMD + Nvidia + Intel. (So an Nvidia GTX 470 + Intel HD 4600 + AMD R9 290 will be pooled together and work together)


So don't throw away or sell dirt cheap your old GPUs, people. No matter what it is, you'll have a use for it, as long as you didn't cheap out on a motherboard with only 1-2 PCIe slots.

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I don't consider myself knowlegeable, but I've finally got to building a rig myself last year and did a bit of reasearch... I also had to deal with a lot of stuff in my old rigs.

- I've come to the conclusion that it's wise to invest in a good CPU and motherboard. GPU and RAM are easy to add/upgrade later.
- Think about the sound of your rig in advance, if that's an issue like it is for me. If you want it quiet, look for according components.
- Dont foget to check compatibility of parts. I used http://pcpartpicker.com/ It also computes the power you'll need from a PSU. For info I used tomshardware (and some other sites, but they're in Russian), but it still took me more than a month of intensive reading in two languages. Spend you time reading. They'll patch the Witcher for another month or two anyway.
- And yeah, as people have said - check the dimensions. It's especially important for the CPU cooler.
- Btw, speaking about coolers - don't expect to pump all money into CPU and GPU. Good coolers, case and other stuff will cost too. Though 1500-2000$ should be enough, imo.
- 40 Gb HDD is something out of late 1900th. I wouldn't even think about anything less that a Tb. Games and software are not easy on disk space these days. Frankly, my 2x2Tb HDD with an SSD don't feel like an overreaction at all.
- SSD is not necessary, but it is fashionable to have one, and it does speed up the boot time. It's usually used for the OS though. There're also SSD/HDD hybrids, but I don't know much about them. It's up to you whether you want and can afford one.
- I have gtx770, and it runs The Witcher, but I think something more powerful is necessary for a new gaming rig. (My choice was a concession a year ago.)
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Red_Tuesday said:
The only and best advice I have: Computex is starting NOW, and both Intel, Nvidia and AMD will be launching new platforms so absolutely DO NOT buy any motherboard, CPU, and especially GPU until you know what the new offerings are. Even if you don't change your mind on components, the old ones will take price cuts.

Thrashinuva said:
Personal experience speaking:
- SLI isn't worth it, get a $350 or so graphics card.


DirectX 12 will change that. (Which really is not far away, we're talking weeks not months)

In fact it'll flip everything you know about Xfire/ SLi upside-down.

1.) You can SLi/ Crossfire more than 4 cards under DirectX 12

2.) On DirectX 11, two graphics cards with 2GB of VRAM will still only be able to use 2GB of VRAM. In DirectX 12, they are now pooled for 4GB of VRAM.

3.) DirectX 12 will allow you to use ANY graphics cards (and integrated graphics) together, even AMD + Nvidia + Intel. (So an Nvidia GTX 470 + Intel HD 4600 + AMD R9 290 will be pooled together and work together)


So don't throw away or sell dirt cheap your old GPUs, people. No matter what it is, you'll have a use for it, as long as you didn't cheap out on a motherboard with only 1-2 PCIe slots.


I'm not sure that this is true of DX 12. It will improve SLI, but I think the game itself has to support DX 12 (Witcher 3 does, or will after a patch). And as far as GPU's, I don't think it can use ANY GPU. The GPU has to support DX 12. Where did you get your info?

Anyway:
MB $150 (Asrock z97 Extreme6 w/7.1 Audio can hack to output DTS or DD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157500&cm_re=asrock_z97-_-13-157-500-_-Product
GPU $550
GTX 980
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GTX-GDDR5-Graphics-Card/dp/B00NT9UT3M/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1433032082&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+980
RAM $104 (16 GB CL 9)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148545&cm_re=crucial_ballistix-_-20-148-545-_-Product
PSU $125 (rebate right now to $99 - 80 Plus rated 750 W)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438017
CPU $240 (i5-4690K)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372
CPU Fan $56
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118019&cm_re=zalman_cpu_cooler-_-35-118-019-_-Product
Thermal Grease $9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6J332N5272
Case $90 (Antec 900)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021&ignorebbr=1
SSD $110 (Intel 240 GB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167190
HDD $54 (1 TB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339


Total = Less than $1488 with rebates

Waiting a couple months may get you better deals, but the breakdown should be about the same to maximize your performance/money ratio.

EDIT: looks like you can get Witcher 3 and Arkham Knight free with a gtx 980 right now.
EDIT 2: Made some adjustments to add Z97 MB and better cooler to allow OC'ing CPU.
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Well, what if it can offshoot processes to the older GPU's and recollect them somehow? I don't know. The technology of the future works in mysterious ways. Probably.
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Well, what if it can offshoot processes to the older GPU's and recollect them somehow? I don't know. The technology of the future works in mysterious ways. Probably.
I doubt the older GPU's will be able to interface with DX 12. But if hegets the 4690K, it should be able to use the built in 4600. And 2 970's will give more raw power than a single 980 at about the same price, but He'll have to spend more to get a Z-series board.
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It seems there are people knowing more about pc gaming than i do.

But two of the most important things what i didn't see being mentioned (or just missed it).
Is to get a good PSU (rating aside, wattage must be enough to support your system), and a decent cooler for your processor (watch out for TDP data).

Im kind of disappointed in amd products (it's my third videocard dying on me), though i don't know much about their processors.

If i had that much money, i'd be sure to get:

-a decent motherboard (that supports all the stuff under this + usb 3.0/sata 3) I'd also avoid Asrock like plague.
-a decent psu (my corsair 650TX still goes strong after nearly 6 years of heavy usage)
-GTX 980 gpu (avoid amd, especially OC cards, even if suggested)
-i7 cpu
-16-32GB DDR3 or DDR4 CL9-11 quad channel (DDR4 is more future proof, but atm doesn't offer too much performance over DDR3 like DDR3 back in the days over DDR2) <- again corsair
-at least 1TB HDD for storage (sata 3)
-a decent 128GB ssd for the system which isn't a necessity, but improves loading times a lot. (I got a crucial 128GB with 5 year warranty, the difference is the sky to the ground compared to hdd)
A case that is ready to accept all these, and has usb 3.0 slots.

As for cooler i'm quite fond of my Zalman CNPS 9900 MAX (my 130W TDP i7 tends to be really hot, it keeps under 60c during games)
And the same goes for my new Zalman Z11 Neo pc case.
I'd get these again anytime instead of a random purchase.

But the best advice i can give you is, read, read, read and then read a bit again.
Then when you have a general idea of your build, ask around.
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Vargr said:
It seems there are people knowing more about pc gaming than i do.

But two of the most important things what i didn't see being mentioned (or just missed it).
Is to get a good PSU (rating aside, wattage must be enough to support your system), and a decent cooler for your processor (watch out for TDP data).

Im kind of disappointed in amd products (it's my third videocard dying on me), though i don't know much about their processors.

If i had that much money, i'd be sure to get:

-a decent motherboard (that supports all the stuff under this) I'd also avoid Asrock like plague.
-a decent psu (my corsair 650TX still goes strong after nearly 6 years of heavy usage)
-GTX 980 gpu
-i7 cpu
-16-32GB DDR3 or DDR4 CL9-11 quad channel (DDR4 is more future proof, but atm doesn't offer too much performance over DDR3 like DDR3 back in the days over DDR2) <- again corsair
-at least 1TB HDD for storage (sata 3)
-a decent 128GB ssd for the system which isn't a necessity, but improves loading times a lot. (I got a crucial 128GB with 5 year warranty, the difference is the sky to the ground compared to hdd)

As for cooler i'm quite fond of my Zalman CNPS 9900 MAX (my 130W TDP i7 tends to be really hot, it keeps under 60c during games)
And the same goes for my new Zalman Z11 Neo pc case.
I'd get these again anytime instead of a random purchase.

But the best advice i can give you is, read, read, read and then read a bit again.
Then when you have a general idea of your build, ask around.
The i5-4690K is the best high end GPU solution. And moving to Haswell-E and DDR4 would require he drop the SSD and get a cheaper GPU.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html

I believe the best option at your price range is to spring for the GTX 980 and go with strong, if not cutting edge, components in other areas. The Zalman cooler is a good cooler but no necessary if you don't plant to OC. If you do want to OC I'd change the build slightly and have you spring for a Z97 board and a better CPU cooler. ~$100 more. Would be worth it.
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NeoVolt said:
The i5-4690K is the best high end GPU solution. And moving to Haswell-E and DDR4 would require he drop the SSD and get a cheaper GPU.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html

I believe the best option at your price range is to spring for the GTX 980 and go with strong, if not cutting edge, components in other areas. The Zalman cooler is a good cooler but no necessary if you don't plant to OC. If you do want to OC I'd change the build slightly and have you spring for a Z97 board and a better CPU cooler. ~$100 more. Would be worth it.


I was speaking only in theory, what i'd get if i had that money.
Im perfectly fine with my current build, though it's a little old.

It might be a little too early to get on the DDR4 bandwagon, but as i've mentioned, the DDR3 wasn't much better than the DDR2 back in the days. Also, i'd go for quad channel.
I won't go into details with the i7, i didn't follow the market in the past years, but i see the performance is almost the same to a 4790. As for the cooler, there is a little difference in the TDP for my i7 920 and your choice, so yeah, it's a little overkill for that.

BTW if you wish to continue this discuss (im not intended to argue) we can move it to private message. Inb4 we anger a moderator by chatting. :)
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Thanks for all the tips everyone i will be sure to read over all you have written
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My end goal is to be able to play the Witcher 3 on max settings.

You didn't specify at what resolution your gonna be playing and the desired fps. Again what's your budget? I don't see how we can help you if you don't tell how much you're going to spend its a major factor when building a PC.

Based on the review by
http://www.techspot.com/review/1006-the-witcher-3-benchmarks/
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/the_witcher_3_graphics_performance_review,1.html

Assumptions that I made is that you're going to play at 1080p with 60fps and at ultra settings

i5-4460 + Asrock h97 Pro 4 + GTX 980

Non-k version because I don't see the need for overclocking.
Getting a z97 for boardwell isn't worth it as the performance increase is about 3-5%
GTX 980 bests R9 290x for this game which I can't recommend AMD graphics card because you wanted to max out The Wticher 3.

I suggest to build your rig after 980Ti or R9 300 seriesi get release to see if there's any changes to GTX 980 price.
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Vargr said:
I'd also avoid Asrock like plague.


Huh? Interesting.
In my previous rig I had a lower end Asus motherboard. After dealing with it for several years I promised myself that I won't buy any Asus product next time. Sadly I still had to setlle for a cheapo Asus audiocard. Cause nobody else offers them.
It's probably unjustified, but I have a strong dislike for Asus.
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NeoVolt said:
I'm not sure that this is true of DX 12. It will improve SLI, but I think the game itself has to support DX 12 (Witcher 3 does, or will after a patch). And as far as GPU's, I don't think it can use ANY GPU. The GPU has to support DX 12. Where did you get your info?


Of course the game has to support DX12, this is obvious. The Witcher 3, Star Citizen, GTA V (PC), Dying Light (PC), Project Cars and The Division are some games off the top of my head that are either developed incliuding DX12, or will be updated for it.

As for GPUs supporting DX12, that is also obvious. However that goes quite far back. For Nvidia, it goes all the way back to Fermi (GTX 4xx series and later) and for AMD it goes back to the Radeon 6xxx series. (Possibly 5xxx series)
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Vargr said:
I'd also avoid Asrock like plague.


Huh? Interesting.
In my previous rig I had a lower end Asus motherboard. After dealing with it for several years I promised myself that I won't buy any Asus product next time. Sadly I still had to setlle for a cheapo Asus audiocard. Cause nobody else offers them.
It's probably unjustified, but I have a strong dislike for Asus.


I had no issues with Asus hardware so far, not that i owned many (8500GT silent, and i don't remember which mobo).
But 2 Asrock mobo died on me so i tend to avoid those.
Same goes for gigabyte, a HD4890OC died, and my EX-58 mobo is on the verge of death.
Now i have an msi 7790OC (already shows signs of dying), and in the future i will never buy an OC card again.
I also avoid buying Deepcool and Xilence coolers, the first is uncapable to cool a cpu well under it's destined TDP, the latter produced the sound and vibration of a coffee grinder.
Then in my AeroCool Aeroengine II case the factory provided fan died in a week.

In the end, it all comes down to personal experience and luck.
If there is one bad card in a thousand, and you buy that, you'll most likely avoid that brand in the future. There are brands i refuse to buy, even if no one else produces the stuff i need. Then there are those i had bad experience with, but i'd give them a second chance in the future.

So, i usually don't recommend these to anyone, actually it's the opposite.
May 31, 2015 4:51 AM

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If there is one bad card in a thousand, and you buy that, you'll most likely avoid that brand in the future. There are brands i refuse to buy, even if no one else produces the stuff i need. Then there are those i had bad experience with, but i'd give them a second chance in the future.


Yeah, I agree that it all depends on personal history and taste. But two motherboards of the same model dying... That is unpleasant.
May 31, 2015 10:52 AM

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It probably more had to do with that model than the company in general. They likely used parts from certain companies that ended up having issues.

That said, I do have to say that I'm biased because I have never had an issue with any piece of Asus tech. That, and their like of gamer centered hardware is exciting for me. There are plenty of aesthetic changes they make to that line, but there are also quite a few functional improvements they make that hit that line first before many other places in the market.
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But 2 Asrock mobo died on me so i tend to avoid those.


When? / What chipset?

AsRock had problems before Ivy Bridge, since then (Z77 and later) they have become one of the most reliable brands out there.

However they still have their approach to budget tier boards.

When a company designs a budget board, they do one of these things:

- Reduce the number of features or certifications (for example SLi, as Nvidia takes a cut from SLi certification, AMD doesn't for Xfire)
- Use lower quality (in terms of life time) capacitors/ chokes (this is common with MSi and BioStar budget boards)
- Reduce the number of caps/ chokes (especially power phases) - this is common with Gigabyte and ASUS.
- Use less layers of material in the PCB (circuit board) - this is how AsRock saves money on budget boards, which they now do quite well having a unique patent on a special lattice woven PCB that is stronger but thinner.

AsRock's approach had teething issues, but because they powered on in that direction, their budget boards now thoroughly slaughter other manufacturer's budget boards when it comes to VRM componentry, capacitor lifetime, and overall features.

The AsRock Extreme4 and up boards have all been legendary since Z77.

And thanks to AsRock's desire to try new things, we get incredible boards such as this:



That's an X99 mini-ITX board! First ever LGA2011 mini-ITX board, and it's amazing. (Though obviously niche)

Also, this is what AsRock's Z170 (upcoming Skylake) boards will look like:


I'm drooling.
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Asus boards have been looking like that for a while now. I've had a few problems with older Asrock boards, but I recognize the things you've stated and I never thought they were going to be consistent problems in the future to begin with.

It's interesting that they would have great budget boards, and maybe that's a draw to them.

Ultimately, a motherboard is a motherboard. It's not like you're going to have one that can blend. They're all motherboards.
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When? / What chipset?

It was well more than 7 years ago. They were both budget boards used in my sister and mothers machine. I can't recall which ones though. Anyway, i believe when you say they are making great mobos, i'd still avoid them like plague because of my personal experience.
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http://www.logicalincrements.com/

off of this

which tier would be able to run the witcher 3 at max


I'm on the border between enthusiast and extremist. I don't know about max. Some of those settings don't really make the game "look" better. I'd say you'd be able to run the game on high settings where it counts with an enthusiast build.

Oh and don't get 2 gpu's not worth it imho.

I don't know if you already ordered your parts, but here is one thing i'll say about custom building a pc. DOA's suck balls. Luckily it only happened once to me. My friend was building one he got 2 dead motherboards in a row lol. What shit luck.
MY specs:
[quote=Bloodshade]CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K
GPU: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB GDDR5 DUAL DVI-D/HDMI/DP TRI-X OC
MOBO: ASUS Sabertooth X79

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme (DO NOT BUY THIS CPU COOLER ITS A SON OF A BITCH TO PUT ON. ITS FREAKING TORTURE)

SSD: Mushkin Chronos 240GB
HDD: 3TB Toshiba
RAM: G.SKILL Ares Series 32GB
PSU: Rosewill ATX 12V/EPS 12V 1300-Watt 80 PLUS GOLD
CASE: Fractal Design Define R4 (Blackout edition)
Monitor: Yamakasi 301 Sparta 2560x1600[/quote
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I haven't bought anything yet I'm still trying to make the money I'm about half way to my goal amount
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Does anyone know when the new graphics cards are coming out which will drop the price of the older one i keep seeing that i should w8 till that happens
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Does anyone know when the new graphics cards are coming out which will drop the price of the older one i keep seeing that i should w8 till that happens


Probably late fall or mid-winter.
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Jesus, if you're wanting to run Witcher 3 on max settings with the smoothest gameplay I might suggest having a budget at least around 1000$ to 2000$. :)


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Jesus, if you're wanting to run Witcher 3 on max settings with the smoothest gameplay I might suggest having a budget at least around 1000$ to 2000$. :)

Did you read any of the posts?
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+1000000 for the GTX 980 TI.

Titan X framerates at $650. They're dropping the 980 down to $500.

Actually wait for AMD's fiji as well. See how things land. Should be June 18th.
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