Feaor said: Interestingthepath said: Episode 14.WHat episode ? I watch few episodes of it and I put it on hold |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: I guess I should clarify that I think its attempted rape although its a bit ambiguous. The whole show is pretty fucked up and dark but you wouldn't expect it from the silly penguin gifs.Feaor said: InterestingEpisode 14. |
Feaor said: thepath said: Episode 14.WHat episode ? I watch few episodes of it and I put it on hold I remember that, it was done nicely ;p |
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| doesnt bother me, the SAO scene with the butterflyman was imo hillarous, the overly dramatic music on the background only made it more laughable |
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silversaint said: doesnt bother me, the SAO scene with the butterflyman was imo hillarous, the overly dramatic music on the background only made it more laughable So if your girlfriend was getting molested in front of you, you would find it hilarious? Congratulations. |
listbot said: Rape and sex harassment are far more real than SAO's setting or Mirai Nikki. At least it may happen in real life. The setting isn't real, but the feelings that it evokes from the viewers are. |
rikuna said: No one has mentioned Valvrave? It [edit: assaults/ect] are generally bad. When it is used to suggest "this guy is really, really evil" I just find it lazy. The only scene with it I didn't mind was Valvrave and that was because I felt the series was trying to be edgy for the sake of being edgy. Their contrast to other events during it aligned with my thoughts (the student council president during the speeches going something like, "this can't be happening.") The problem with how many anime (and manga/VN/LN) portray it, it tends to be used in place of good characterization. Either to show "this guy is really bad" or to have fans feel for the female (or male?) that the act is on. I tend to find it lazy. I wouldn't mind it if they just had characters acting strange around each other, the body language, ect --- but anime tends to fail on those subtle things. THEY MUST SHOW YOU and not suggest. Even then though, I'd probably prefer without it to show "guy is evil" - "feel sad for the girl." Yes, exactly my thoughts ^ Although I just read a review about that particular episode in Valvrave, and the series is apparently ridiculous but in a good way, but then this rape scene is as you said, edgy for the sake of being edgy, and I find that revolting and unnecessary :( |
CamzarcarMay 27, 2015 12:17 PM
Camzarcar said: silversaint said: doesnt bother me, the SAO scene with the butterflyman was imo hillarous, the overly dramatic music on the background only made it more laughable So if your girlfriend was getting molested in front of you, you would find it hilarious? Congratulations. you gave Black Lagoon a 10? cogratulations you must ve enjoyed all the violence on that show :/ its fiction, its fine if i laugh at it, the same way i laughed at Another death scenes |
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silversaint said: Camzarcar said: So if your girlfriend was getting molested in front of you, you would find it hilarious? Congratulations. you gave Black Lagoon a 10? cogratulations you must ve enjoyed all the violence on that show :/ its fiction, its fine if i laugh at it, the same way i laughed at Another death scenes I do enjoy violence :) No one is being forcibly stripped and debased with their dignity gone awry. |
Camzarcar said: silversaint said: you gave Black Lagoon a 10? cogratulations you must ve enjoyed all the violence on that show :/ its fiction, its fine if i laugh at it, the same way i laughed at Another death scenes I do enjoy violence :) No one is being forcibly stripped and debased with their dignity gone awry. except for http://myanimelist.net/character/22312/Yukio_Washimine o wait Hansel an Gretel also were sexually abused to the point of becoming insane an Revy was sexually abused by her father and.... it didnt bother me an apparently it didnt bother you either |
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Camzarcar said: Cross Ange = royal princess gets cavity searched in full display of the viewer as well as implied rape from the bloody torn garments in the aftermath of it all. Supposed to show how bad the world is. She wasn't raped, just forcefully anal probed. The blood was from her mother that died earlier. |
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silversaint said: Camzarcar said: I do enjoy violence :) No one is being forcibly stripped and debased with their dignity gone awry. except for http://myanimelist.net/character/22312/Yukio_Washimine o wait Hansel an Gretel also were sexually abused to the point of becoming insane an Revy was sexually abused by her father and.... it didnt bother me an apparently it didnt bother you either Read my original post and the earlier posts of me and others, if It's fitting, I still despise it, but I understand why It's in the story. |
ichii_1 said: Camzarcar said: Cross Ange = royal princess gets cavity searched in full display of the viewer as well as implied rape from the bloody torn garments in the aftermath of it all. Supposed to show how bad the world is. She wasn't raped, just forcefully anal probed. The blood was from her mother that died earlier. DUDE she was raped in ever fukin episode .... :< |
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ichii_1 said: Camzarcar said: Cross Ange = royal princess gets cavity searched in full display of the viewer as well as implied rape from the bloody torn garments in the aftermath of it all. Supposed to show how bad the world is. She wasn't raped, just forcefully anal probed. The blood was from her mother that died earlier. unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim. Just watched this scene, I feel so angry. |
| Has anyone mentioned Haruhi Suzumiya yet? that's the only show that actually bothered me with the light use of it. |
DUDE she was raped in ever fukin episode .... :< Ignoring bad grammar, that was not rape. unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim. And there was zero sexual contest, meaning it wasn't rape. |
Camzarcar said: ichii_1 said: She wasn't raped, just forcefully anal probed. The blood was from her mother that died earlier. unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim. Just watched this scene, I feel so angry. But it was lawful, it was a cavity search, if a prisoner resists they have to use force. So cross ange does not have rape :) |
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psy-p said: So, all of your affirmatives here tell me you doesn't understand a lot about many things, because of that I will just leave a sugestion. Why don't you watch only kodomo then? Being condescending isn't very nice. Don't do it please. |
ichii_1 said: Camzarcar said: unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim. Just watched this scene, I feel so angry. But it was lawful, it was a cavity search, if a prisoner resists they have to use force. So cross ange does not have rape :) sexual penetration with a body part/foreign object. Her anus was being penetrated by Jill's hand/robotic part. I'm guessing the reason they showed this in such explicit detail is to completely and utterly humiliate her, they went all out with it too. Was it needed? Couldn't they have shown her contrasts with how she thought of the Normas before, and that she was one now without sexualised imagery. |
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DuelGundam2099 said: The penetration was not sexual. Sexual penetration means penetration through the means of the body parts which are used for sexual means. The vagina, anus and mouth, as well as nose, ears...any orifice, can be used in such a way. Ange was anally raped. |
| By that definition suppositories would qualify as rape. Sexual context is still required, there was none here. |
ichii_1 said: So cross ange does not have rape :) |
RLinksoulMay 27, 2015 1:27 PM
DuelGundam2099 said: By that definition suppositories would qualify as rape. Sexual context is still required, there was none here. If a person did not want suppositories, then it is rape, yes. And no, the context of the scenario is not required. Read this http://www.pandys.org/whatisrape.html |
DrCoppelius said: DuelGundam2099 said: The penetration was not sexual. The only reason I know that it wasn't for a sexual purpose was because I read about it, not because the show informed me of it. The penetration was clearly meant to evoke the sexual imagery of rape in order to titillate the viewers, otherwise they would have at least bothered to actually give the reason for it within the show, and not focused so much on Ange's body. From a meta point of view, it was definitely sexual. Despite saying that though, I don't actually have much of an issue with Cross Ange so long as it's upfront about what it is (ecchi trash) and I don't tend to condemn the sexual fetish of rape so long as people don't take it outside of the realm of fantasy. I honestly don't have an issue with the majority of rape I've seen in shows actually. Edit: And also, people give consent for suppositories. Completely agree with your first paragraph. I'm not too well informed about the creator of the show, but to my knowledge, he purposefully titillates the notion of sexual imagery to a greater extent that is reasonably possible in a lot of the stuff that he does. And it is true, it makes it ecchi trash. |
The only reason I know that it wasn't for a sexual purpose was because I read about it, not because the show informed me of it. It didn't need to, there was no sexual context. they would have at least bothered to actually give the reason for it within the show They did, cavity search to insure there was no weapons or contraband. From a meta point of view There's your problem, do what I do and ignore meta-ness. so long as it's upfront about what it is (ecchi trash) I've seen ecchi trash, it has bits and pieces, but not as a whole. I also like RL above gave screencaps to scenes that were ALMOST rape, but not successful. And no, the context of the scenario is not required. Actually yes it is. |
DuelGundam2099Jun 1, 2015 8:08 PM
| [quote=DuelGundam2099] The only reason I know that it wasn't for a sexual purpose was because I read about it, not because the show informed me of it. It didn't need to, there was no sexual context. they would have at least bothered to actually give the reason for it within the show They did, cavity search to insure there was no weapons or contraband. From a meta point of view There's your problem, do what I do and ignore meta-ness. so long as it's upfront about what it is (ecchi trash)/quote] I've seen ecchi trash, it has bits and pieces, but not as a whole. I also like RL above gave screencaps to scenes that were ALMOST rape, but not successful. And no, the context of the scenario is not required. Actually yes it is. You didn't read the link I sent, read it. Don't post anymore until you have. All of your points have been completely moot. Also, this is making fun of rape scenes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEzumRl2AXs I applaud this show for actually making fun of them. If Binbougami ga did something similar it would have been awesome...but nope. |
Camzarcar said: -snip- You fail, Camzarcar. I don't see Fate/Stay night mentioned anywhere... You have to do it like how ANN does it: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/fate-stay-night-unlimited-blade-works/episode-20/.88524 Greatest Review ever! That's how you talk about Sexism, OP. |
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RLinksoul said: ichii_1 said: So cross ange does not have rape :) ikr?? and that just the LEAST of it had to skim 90% of the weird shit from the first episodes... |
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Shrimperor said: Camzarcar said: -snip- You fail, Camzarcar. I don't see Fate/Stay night mentioned anywhere... You have to do it like how ANN does it: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/fate-stay-night-unlimited-blade-works/episode-20/.88524 Greatest Review ever! That's how you talk about Sexism, OP. I just rushed my thoughts, as I've thought about it for a while and wanted to get it over there, I read your link, and I agree with everything that is being said, notably that over sexualisation in the form of objectification as a device to further other characters plots is stupid. I'll give it a better read tomorrow though, It's very late :( |
Camzarcar said: I'll give it a better read tomorrow though, It's very late :( And what if it's a little late? you are fighting for a cause, aren't you? To reach other people, you have to work hard, or you message will never reach them :) |
listbot said: Sexual penetration means penetration as sexual means. A rectal examination is NOT sexual, even if its vaginal, otherwise patients are being raped by their doctors everyday. READ THE GOD DAMN DEFINITION OF RAPE!!!!!!!!!!!! I ONLY PUT IN A BIT OF THE DEFINITION. IT REQUIRES CONSENT! If this many people aren't informed about what rape actually is then I'm really worried. |
Shrimperor said: Camzarcar said: I'll give it a better read tomorrow though, It's very late :( And what if it's a little late? you are fighting for a cause, aren't you? To reach other people, you have to work hard, or your message will never reach them :) I can't change anyones opinion, but I can open their eyes to things that they may not have seem before. Goodnight :P |
Camzarcar said: I can't change anyones opinion, but I can open their eyes to things that they may not have seem before. Goodnight :P I am disappointed that you are giving up so easly :( Good night and may your message reach the right people |
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| Spoilers everywhere. Camzarcar said: That comparison is pretty fucked up.silversaint said: doesnt bother me, the SAO scene with the butterflyman was imo hillarous, the overly dramatic music on the background only made it more laughable So if your girlfriend was getting molested in front of you, you would find it hilarious? Congratulations. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Although I just read a review about that particular episode in Valvrave, and the series is apparently ridiculous but in a good way I just noticed this, are you seriously just reading articles without watching what happened? Plus, VVV is more or less critically slammed. but then this rape scene is as you said Can't rape someone if they're willing, the victim was willing in that scenario. |
Shrimperor said: This is what the OP is talking about  All I see is wimps around here. So there's some poking (implied or not) being done, oh how horrible. Man up, this is how the world works. |
Stev said: ayy lmao |
Camzarcar said: listbot said: Sexual penetration means penetration as sexual means. A rectal examination is NOT sexual, even if its vaginal, otherwise patients are being raped by their doctors everyday. READ THE GOD DAMN DEFINITION OF RAPE!!!!!!!!!!!! I ONLY PUT IN A BIT OF THE DEFINITION. IT REQUIRES CONSENT! If this many people aren't informed about what rape actually is then I'm really worried. You're missing the circumstances of the scene. It's a PRISON, even more unlawful than brazil or Columbia. They could shoved both arms up your ass for a cavity search and it's not rape. |
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HungryPriest said: Shrimperor said: This is what the OP is talking about All I see is wimps around here. So there's some poking (implied or not) being done, oh how horrible. Man up, this is how the world works. Don't you see that he is about to rape her? don't you read all the signs? It's exactly because of guys like you that we will never get equality in this world. This is the rape culture OP is talking about. |
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