General Battle Shonen Discussion Thread

Agafin said:
Bleach's popularity is dead.

Agafin said:
How does the weekly rankings even work?

sullynathan said:
Inb4 Tyrel lock

GangstaPriest said:
You mean inb4 thread gets deserted, which is far more likely.

Kaimon said:
I assume we just do something like this

MangaName Ch.456

-enterspoilerhere-

LordPerucho said:
Does anyone think Soma is a bust?

LordPerucho said:
Does anyone think Soma is a bust?

ToG25thBaam said:


So what do you guys think of Mahou Sensei Negima? Rereading it, I am trying to get past the part 1 (romcom / introduction) of the series now, I remember this series fondly as one of my favorite action shounen manga, with one of the best drawing for magic action. Can't wait to get to that. Well, I am mainly rereading it just so that I won't be that lost when I get into UQ Holder.

ToG25thBaam said:
I don't know.. maybe it will take a while for people to get interested in the story. It was the same for me, it took a while for me to like the manga. I hope it does well in sales and gets some awesome boost.

Kaimon said:
It's on my backlog, I do remember enjoying the SHAFT anime, though.

LordPerucho said:
Since this thread is created in the MANGA section, IMO there is no need to use spoiler tag like we were discussing HST in the anime section,

LordPerucho said:
The boost they have similar due to anime is similar to AssClass, AssClass boost improved when they had their live action movie released.

LordPerucho said:

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Vegeta looks OP now..

Agafin said:
Concerning the ToC/Weekly rankings, I found this on mangahelpers:

Seems interesting although the lack of Bleach is a probably a mistake.
I wonder how popular this Leader Den Takeshi would've been today if Shima didn't get arrested or whatever they did to him.

Also, AssClasss seems to be getting the Toriko treatment (maximum advertisement) but at least it shows its fruits (AC is like three more popular than Toriko)

TheNextChamp said:
Hiro Mashima plz...

https://twitter.com/hiro_mashima/status/591973632445849601/photo/1

Isterio said:

Mitsutoshi was imprisoned because he paid an underaged prostitute for sex. She lied about her age officially but he still had to go for I think 1.5 or 2 years to jail.

What do you mean with Assclass getting the Toriko treatment?
Toriko had alot of advertisment because Mitsutoshi is friends with Oda and everything else was through Toei.

ichii_1 said:

The sentence was suspended actually after he served 2 days in jail.
And the Toriko getting special treatment is just a farce, every series that does great gets the treatment.
Look at bnha and black clover.
Toriko was nominated for the best new manga series when it was released that's why it got the treatment.

The toriko haters spreading rumors as usual.

LordPerucho said:
This is SHOUNEN discussion.

4th Frieza is implied being around Vegito tier.

Worn-out Golden Frieza, hmmm probably around Bog SSJG Goku, at the very least BoG SSJ Goku with God powers.

Haddy_ said:
You guys made the thread GS!!
Great week for the big 3 btw.

please use spoilers on SNK I haven't caught up yet and I don't want to be spoiled.

-JonasTheJay- said:

Shounen MANGA section though ;)

Haddy_ said:


Which shounen you enjoying reading the most right now ?

Haddy_ said:

That kid better be Sakura or she failed at life .

Bleach , FT and OP have been pretty good these past few weeks . The new arc blows away the Fullbring Ichigo power ranger arc in all aspects imo . No real true impact into the current story.

Never checked out toriko though , how serious is the manga compare to fairy tail?

Isterio said:

It is Sakuras child, dude it´s Kishimoto he made Sakura PCR Naruto just to make people think "they kissed". it´s a troll,I even think this may explained next chapter.

Finally someone who wants to talk about Toriko objectively.
It´s a good series no fanservice fast story progression, character growth is ridiculous (will reach/surpass DBZ probably). Author always compares his own world/abilities/creatures to realworld counterparts. Abilities are in general extensions of realworld existing abilities.Example: If someone throws a punch it´s stated that this punch has the strength of 10 trillion tons which is equivalent to 5 Trillion heavy weight champions throwing a punch.

It lives mostly through simplicity.
Wanna see enjoyable fights of dudes digging it out for food with miraculous feats?
Food is always so tasty that it brings tears to their eyes and eating food serves any purpose imagineable.
Healing/transport/eating/alchol/killing/bringing back the dead/beaty products/jewelry...
Stuff that´s mentioned get´s usually quite fast resolved so you don´t have to wait long, foreshawoing is ok.

Warning opinions income.
Flaws: The series has no heart, if you think you´ve seen every character in the cast a few times then it´s because you´ve seen this character a few times in other shows.
Emotional attachement: 0, the cast is so limited that it´s actually impossible to create any sense of danger or threat for them because (what shounen author kills the MC?)
And even if someone were to die you won´t care. The characters are so one dimensional that if they were gone you wouldn´t actually care or be happy about it, because it hit the annoying one. Fight´s are fought out like in One Piece, not many tactics or predictions involved.

Toriko delivers best when it doesn´t try to be anything else than it´s meant to be. A generic battle shounen with powerlevels who are off the roof.
As long as the story remains simple in the realms of comedy/action it´s good I´d say better than Fairy tail because it´s consistent.
The momment Mitsutoshi adds any form of Drama/Romance, which thankfully starts after chapter 211. It goes down to shitter.
Where Fairy tail is corny it still feels believeable, when you have drama in Toriko it feels like a 10 year old who reads Naruto and One Piece tried to copy that and that´s the outcome.

Dragon88 said:


FT had lot of potential and actually has great characters and all that and the beginning was really good and could of been something huge, but the author messed up with stupid arcs and Mashima trolling the readers and honestly I don't trust Mashima anymore, he would somehow mess up a upcoming arc because he tends to do this but so far it seems good. But don't really have any expectations for FT.

Isterio said:


Fairy tail can make you tear up, Fairy tail makes you invested in it´s characters, you feel sorry for them you feel with them. You want them to suceed.
Hiro knows how to write relationships. His issue with Fairy tail is one that´s holding him back and that´s cencorship copied with Nakama wank.

In one sentece. Hiro takes no risks.
He saw that Oda works that way and copies that style. But Oda has the One Piece, Oda has Pluton, Uranus and Poseidon. Oda has his endgame assembled Teach/Akainu we wanna know more. Hiro has Zeref that´s what makes it lackluster. It´s just Zeref and he shows up way too rarely. Zeref chapters give me a hardon he´s sexy, he progresses the story.
Lucys naked body while she fucks around with fodder level "bosses" isn´t fun it´s annoying.

Oda doesn´t hype up enemies to oneshot them, recently he did and I´m mad at Doffys crew but he already teases us with Big Mom, so I´m gonna be mad at this arc and not overall.

Dragon88 said:
Usually in a pirate crew, I see 3 or 4 strong members and everyone else is fodder, so it was kind of cool to see a crew aside from a Yonkous that have so many strong diverse members.

Dragon88 said:
Remember during Crocodile's arc, shs were not as powerful. Shs basically only had 3 strong fighters in Luffy, Zorro and Sanji. It was not like they had lot of strong people at that time. And in this arc more then the Shs, its their allies that are so powerful such as Bartolomeo, Cavendish Sai, Don Chinjao, the king'd punch very powerful. Lot of different assets plus the shs are much more stronger.

And in the Colosseum remember Luffy is the one that fought in there, not others. Luffy is the strongest SH fighter, you don't really expect him to struggle much. Its not like Nami or Usopp fighting there and owning everyone, its Luffy. I mean if Luffy really struggled that much then it would not bode well for the whole crew. Common Luffy, Law they are at another level. They are basically shichubukai level and hence its so easy. And Shs really did not defeat the Doflamingo crew, it was combined effort from strong NW fighters and the strong members of the shs. Only strong member from Sh that was not there was Sanji aside from that the other strong members were there. And have to agree with you on the fact that Trebol and Diamante were so weak. Pica was fine, but those 2 were weaker then I expected though it could be the case soldier san is stronger then my expectation. And have to say Trebol was pretty useless. That I give you but I think from the flashback it seems, he was a lacky that relied too much on DD rather then being strong.

Isterio said:



The problem was we saw Trebol killing a fly. Oneshot by a one handed half dead Law.
We got Diamanted hyped up (he never loses at the colloseum), he also killed Rebeccas mom. Strong+heartless bastard. First he does fucking nothing then he loses to a 1 legged Kyros to a oneshot from a guy who is incapble of using Haki.

Those enemies are shit no matter how you look at them.
Oda just get us Big Mom and give us Ennies Lobby fightlevel again problem fixed.
Powerscaling was on Fairy tail level this arc, no matter how you put it.

Same shit as Bacchus having a clash of Willpower with Elfman.
To get oneshoted by fodderya and his perfum.

If you get mad at Bacchus and Jura you must get mad at Dressrosa. Either that or you´re a hypocrit.

YorozuyaGinSan said:
I started reading Ippo today.

The hype is thrilling.

NeoAnkara said:
UQ Holder make power level on Negima like a plaything. Even Eva is treated like a kid.

Kaimon said:
Oda and Kishimoto interview
http://www.shonengamez.com/2015/04/25/weekly-shonen-jumps-oda-x-kishimoto-interview-on-how-they-met/

Dragon88 said:

Wow late to the party. I started reading Ippo such a long time ago. Its pretty good.