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Apr 17, 2015 12:04 PM
#1
I want to know your own personal thoughts on suicide and or if it's selfish or not. Discuss the matter. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:05 PM
#2
Nope, sometimes your existence is worse than being nonexistent. After your mess is cleaned up though. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:06 PM
#3
I think this has been discussed many times here before. :S Anyway, I think it's selfish especially when they are still people who care about you. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:06 PM
#4
Like so many things, it depends on the situation. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:07 PM
#5
If people love you and put a lot of time and effort into developing you than yeah....IT IS. Imagine how a mother would feel if her son committed suicide. She would feel like a shitty mother contemplating all the memories you had together led to this, a waist. Anyone who says it's not selfish in a situation where people care about you is an idiot |
Apr 17, 2015 12:08 PM
#6
I dont think so and even if it was forcing someone to be alive when they dont see reason to and hope is gone is selfish too. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:09 PM
#7
Apr 17, 2015 12:10 PM
#8
Moog- said: Like so many things, it depends on the situation. So you're saying the question is too general to be interesting. I agree. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:13 PM
#9
Yes and no. It's selfish if you leave them behind, but it's selfish if they force you to do something you don't wanna do any longer. So yeah, both ways are selfish. Anyway, why does it care whether it is selfish or not? |
Apr 17, 2015 12:14 PM
#10
Yes, it is a selfish act. I understand that people may feel worthless and that no one cares, but the fact is there are people who care, and it will matter in the end. It's hard going through those thoughts of suicide, but there's a way to make it to the end. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:14 PM
#11
Maybe the selfish people are the ones stopping others from killing themselves. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:15 PM
#12
Moog- said: Like so many things, it depends on the situation. |
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Apr 17, 2015 12:17 PM
#13
yes it is. your parents cared for you, fed you, provided for you and put up with all of your shit. then you just give up? but i do sympathize with people who have mental disability or illness. |
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Apr 17, 2015 12:19 PM
#14
Yes. It solves only your problems. You will not only hurt feelings of your family and people who care about you but it will also cause them many troubles. Especially when there is a lot of possible help when you are feeling down. You can always seek help, noone said that life is gonna be easy. Suicide is the cowards way. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:19 PM
#16
Moog- said: Like so many things, it depends on the situation. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:20 PM
#17
lnfo said: yes it is. your parents cared for you, fed you, provided for you and put up with all of your shit. then you just give up? but i do sympathize with people who have mental disability or illness. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:21 PM
#18
Yes it is. Under most circumstances* Fuck your problems. Think of everyone who cares about you, and if you think that's nobody, you're wrong. |
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Apr 17, 2015 12:23 PM
#19
I'm gonna repeat that death actually brings in costs like funeral wakes and burial/cremation lol. Basically you're adding expenses entirely for your benefit. Plus think of all the janitors to clean up your blood. And all the registrar people who have to update your status to deceased. So on a monetary and workload standpoint, suicide is selfish 'ya prick. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:24 PM
#20
lnfo said: You're assuming all home lives are created equally. They are not. Everybody has a complicated situation, if you add in mental illness you are giving some people odds that feel unbeatable (and in some cases, are.) You have to understand that many suicide victims are aware that they are leaving people behind. That is added stress to an already overwhelming amount of pressure. I guarantee you in most cases it isn't that they are ungrateful or don't care.yes it is. your parents cared for you, fed you, provided for you and put up with all of your shit. then you just give up? but i do sympathize with people who have mental disability or illness. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:28 PM
#21
Having lived through severe OCD, anxiety, paranoia, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, and now chronic pain in both hands I've come across many stories of people in situations similar to mine who have taken their own lives; yet, not once has such a notion ever crossed my mind. I don't think there's any reason in the world why one should end their own life; essentially dying is what we work to avoid, therefore any designated "reason" for suicide couldn't be worse than the end result of suicide itself. Albeit living in chronic pain I realize sometimes it's tough, and there are those who end it to escape pain or discomfort. I don't agree with this line of thought, but I can see where they are coming from. Those who commit suicide over emotional trauma or poor relations with others I don't understand. I'd rather be in poor relations with everyone around me than dead, but it depends on the person. Essentially it comes down to this for me: Reality is tough, you will have to deal with things no one else has to, things that are going to make everything difficult and with that you should strive to do everything in your power to make your situation the best it can be regardless. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:40 PM
#22
I think there's more to consider than whether its selfish or not if you plan on ending your life. |
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Apr 17, 2015 12:47 PM
#24
It's selfish to want someone else to live on just for you, no matter how miserable their life is and how little support you provide them... The only time suicide is somewhat selfish is if someone else is dependent on you. If your death would really ruin another's life, then try to make it so that they can live without you first. If you're the sole carer of a small child then don't just shoot yourself and leave them alone in their crib. But just because Bill and Ben might 'remember' you every now and then, or one guy is going to have to take a little bit of time getting paid to clean up your blood, doesn't mean you owe them a lifetime of suffering from your side. I think that's extremism and believing that suicide is so evil and cruel to others only causes huge paradoxes and cognitive dissonance in people's thought, it's a shame tactic that was invented by the churches and fights against one's personal rights. Not only should one have control over their life, and their death, but one should be able to make both of these things beautiful or heroic. If one can live a good life, dying a good death exists too. If your idea of a good death is wasting away in a medical bed, 'selfishly' draining taxpayer money, or your kid's wages, then okay... but there are hundreds of ways one can die helping others, or creating art which others can admire. This being said, suicide because of depression usually isn't a good idea for other reasons. It can get better, usually. And also, suffering is not such a bad experience. I think that those who go through depression and come out of the other side are usually much more interesting, relatable, likable, well-rounded people, and more. For many regular people who threaten suicide, they actually just want help... so if you would prefer getting better over dying then at least try therapy or medication and a change in lifestyle first, even just waiting it out. People who think suicide is actually 'selfish' are cruel though, and not the type of people I would even want to live for. |
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Apr 17, 2015 12:48 PM
#25
TheConquerer said: There are definitely more important things to consider. The overwhelming majority of decisions we make on a daily basis are selfish.I think there's more to consider than whether its selfish or not if you plan on ending your life. |
Apr 17, 2015 12:52 PM
#26
Drugs said: TheConquerer said: There are definitely more important things to consider. The overwhelming majority of decisions we make on a daily basis are selfish.I think there's more to consider than whether its selfish or not if you plan on ending your life. Suicide is rarely given much thought, it's normally spur of the moment when things are overwhelming and something to end it is within reach. |
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Apr 17, 2015 12:54 PM
#27
Drugs said: TheConquerer said: There are definitely more important things to consider. The overwhelming majority of decisions we make on a daily basis are selfish.I think there's more to consider than whether its selfish or not if you plan on ending your life. Please, tell me more |
I've been here way too long... |
Apr 17, 2015 12:54 PM
#28
nomstuff said: I don't agree with suicide. I definitely don't think it's the best answer, but I do think people have a very narrow understanding of what can drive somebody to suicide and why arguments like "It will get better" "You're being selfish" "It isn't that bad" or many other common ones are complete shit.Drugs said: Suicide is rarely given much thought, it's normally spur of the moment when things are overwhelming and something to end it is within reach.TheConquerer said: I think there's more to consider than whether its selfish or not if you plan on ending your life. |
Apr 17, 2015 1:00 PM
#29
Drugs said: nomstuff said: I don't agree with suicide. I definitely don't think it's the best answer, but I do think people have a very narrow understanding of what can drive somebody to suicide and why arguments like "It will get better" "You're being selfish" "It isn't that bad" or many other common ones are complete shit.Drugs said: TheConquerer said: There are definitely more important things to consider. The overwhelming majority of decisions we make on a daily basis are selfish.I think there's more to consider than whether its selfish or not if you plan on ending your life. I feel like you misread what I wrote, I wasn't calling people who do suicide selfish, I was saying that if they're going to end their lives its probably not because of those reasons nor would they give a shit for those reasons. |
I've been here way too long... |
Apr 17, 2015 1:02 PM
#30
TheConquerer said: I wasn't calling anyone out, just expounding on my own views a little bit.Drugs said: nomstuff said: Drugs said: Suicide is rarely given much thought, it's normally spur of the moment when things are overwhelming and something to end it is within reach.TheConquerer said: There are definitely more important things to consider. The overwhelming majority of decisions we make on a daily basis are selfish.I think there's more to consider than whether its selfish or not if you plan on ending your life. I feel like you misread what I wrote, I wasn't calling people who do suicide selfish, I was saying that if they're going to end their lives its probably not because of those reasons nor would they give a shit for those reasons. |
Apr 17, 2015 1:03 PM
#31
[quote=Drugs] TheConquerer said: It was a response to nomstuff, not you. And I wasn't calling anyone out, just expounding on my own views a little bit. Right then, I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything |
I've been here way too long... |
Apr 17, 2015 1:06 PM
#32
I agree with Involtus. nomstuff said: Suicide is rarely given much thought, it's normally spur of the moment when things are overwhelming and something to end it is within reach. Uhm... I don't think so. |
Apr 17, 2015 1:07 PM
#33
It is selfish, but it is also selfish to want other people to live because of you, even though they are suffering. We focus too much on who to blame, than on the actual problem. |
Apr 17, 2015 1:08 PM
#34
Drugs said: nomstuff said: I don't agree with suicide. I definitely don't think it's the best answer, but I do think people have a very narrow understanding of what can drive somebody to suicide and why arguments like "It will get better" "You're being selfish" "It isn't that bad" or many other common ones are complete shit.Drugs said: TheConquerer said: There are definitely more important things to consider. The overwhelming majority of decisions we make on a daily basis are selfish.I think there's more to consider than whether its selfish or not if you plan on ending your life. It's not so much that they're shite arguments. It probably will get better, and it is a selfish action, it's almost never just the person committing the act who is affected. It's more that it's not what the person needs to hear at that moment. Making them feel guilty is probably not the wisest idea. Although yeah, like everything mental health related, very few people actually understand enough about it. Perquisitore said: nomstuff said: Suicide is rarely given much thought, it's normally spur of the moment when things are overwhelming and something to end it is within reach. Uhm... I don't think so. If people have easy access to things that will kill them, they are far more likely to do so on a whim than if they do not. That's part of why they put safety rails on bridges, it helps stop spur of the moment suicides and people rethink it. |
nomstuffApr 17, 2015 1:12 PM
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Apr 17, 2015 1:08 PM
#35
It's really an issue of personal values, at least from my point of view. Do you think your life is only yours? |
Apr 17, 2015 1:09 PM
#36
WALL OF TEXT INCOMING SORRY THERE'S A TLDR AT THE BOTTOM ShaneM said: snip for saving space Can confirm, live with Paranoia, insomnia and slight schizophrenia. I tend to research a lot about relevant things, such as the crazyamount of suicide in Japan got me reading. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan "Typically, most suicides are men; 71% of suicide victims in 2007 were male.[2] In 2009, the number of suicides among men rose 641 to 23,472 (with those age 40–69 accounting for 40.8% of the total). Suicide was the leading cause of death among men age 20–44.[4][5] Males are two times more likely to cause their own deaths after a divorce than females are.[8] Nevertheless, suicide is still the leading cause of death for women age 15–34 in Japan." Japan Rail in fact routinely charges families of suicide victims more than US $2 million, a financially devastating sum of money for most; although it is unclear whether any families can actually pay such a high bill. The purpose is to reinforce how the suicide victim should not have created a burden for others and to reinforce the legitimacy of the shared cultural space of the commute. Japan has 40 people kill themselves for every 100,000, per year. Though the population of Japan is declining, son is the suicide rate. In Japan due to its history of suicide being honorable with samurai seppuku, depressed japanese have it bad. There, people are said to "tolerate" suicide. LITERALLY IF YOU KILL YOURSELF IN JAPAN THE GOVERNMENT CAN FINE YOUR FAMILY FOR THE CLEANUP IF YOU KILL YOURSELF ON A RAILROAD OR TRAIN/ GOV THINGS. step 1, kill all your family step 2, jump in front of train step 3, stick it to the rail companies My rant continues a bit more with Greenland, the leader in sucide. Several reasons are blamed for Greenland's high rate of suicide, including alcoholism, depression, poverty, conflict-ridden relationship with partner, dysfunctional parental homes, etc. According to a report published in the Science Daily in 2009, the suicide rate in Greenland increases during the summer. Researchers have blamed insomnia caused by incessant daylight. 1 IN 5 PEOPLE IN GREEBLAND THINK OF SUICIDE JESUS CHRISTMAS. If hat many people killed themselves in the USA literally 63,780,000 would die. Most did it by hanging and shooting. TLDR: I research the shit out of stuff alot and this is one of them. Japan is #8 in suicide with 23000 a year, and your family can be fined for the cleanup and damages, but it's getting better. Greenland is #1 with an insane 1 in 5 thinking about it, and 107 per 100,000 doing it. Shit. This was really sad so here's a kitten Realized I did not actually answer the question... It is never selfish unless you are going out Hitler style trying to evade tons of problems you made for you and others. |
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Apr 17, 2015 1:11 PM
#37
For warriors, whether in the East or the West, it is the gentleman's way out. Suicide is painless they say, I'm pretty sure seppuku isn't. We live our whole lives deluded and wearing masks. People who suicide have lost all faith in that delusion and what is on the surface, and what they are left with is too much to bear. Or the quality of life and circumstance has gone and cannot be retrieved. Or is that euthanasia? Ultimately it doesn't matter. Some might leave many grieving loved ones, other might leave nothing and have already been forgotten about by the world. I respect people who do suicide, the choose to leave on their own terms for their own reasons. They say fuck you God, fuck you destiny, fuck you predetermination, fuck you holding on to last dying breath for some stupid sentimental notion of every moment being precious and they take control. Many say life is a gift and maybe it is, for some it is only a punishment. If you want to live, good, do what you can with it. If you want to die, stop whining. Do it faggot 8D |
Apr 17, 2015 1:12 PM
#38
Drugs said: yes those are just assumptions of an average home life and for suicide, a sensitive subject such as this. even if they didn't have any parents, there will still be loved who care for them, who will be affected by their passing. lnfo said: You're assuming all home lives are created equally. They are not. Everybody has a complicated situation, if you add in mental illness you are giving some people odds that feel unbeatable (and in some cases, are.) You have to understand that many suicide victims are aware that they are leaving people behind. That is added stress to an already overwhelming amount of pressure. I guarantee you in most cases it isn't that they are ungrateful or don't care.yes it is. your parents cared for you, fed you, provided for you and put up with all of your shit. then you just give up? but i do sympathize with people who have mental disability or illness. i was mostly focusing on op's question about how and why suicide is selfish. but people are people, we still grieve them no matter how they died. we shouldn't think less of them for their previous actions. but there are ways, to prevent it like talking to a psychologist, becoming an involuntary/voluntary patient in a mental hospital for observation and taking anti-depressants. no one is "ungrateful or don't care", for those people who have committed suicide, have had suicidal thoughts, tried to suppress it for themselves and their loved ones but they were at the end of their rope, felt cornered thought of ending their lives as a solution. |
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Apr 17, 2015 1:19 PM
#40
And the suicide threads are back! Anyway: CookieGawd said: Ye I also consider it cowardly |
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Apr 17, 2015 1:26 PM
#41
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-03/terminally-ill-us-woman-who-fought-for-right-to-die-takes-life/5863222 People should have the right to die, just as much as they should have the right to live. Living a painful life full of misery just because others would be sad that you're gone isn't a life worth living. |
Apr 17, 2015 1:27 PM
#42
erikerik said: And the suicide threads are back! With the sex threads gone, I'm hardly surprised. Better not have shot the deputy! acknowledgement of pop culture reference |
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Apr 17, 2015 1:38 PM
#43
lnfo said: but there are ways, to prevent it like talking to a psychologist, becoming an involuntary/voluntary patient in a mental hospital for observation and taking anti-depressants. Unless you don't have a chronic mental disease, going to a psychologist is pretty worthless and taking meds is just temporary, nothing to build a new life on. Our society is not good for our health. It may sound like I blame society now, but there's a reason why mental illness is increasing in first world countries. We know that helicopter parenting increase the risk for mental illness. We eat bad food, which also increase the same risk. Social media can also effect us negatively. We have to work on this. We shouldn't try to prevent everything that's difficult, hard and might cause us suffering. It actually makes us stronger in the end, it learns us how to handle things. As it is nowadays, we always try to live as comfortable as possible, which make us weak and over sensitive. |
Apr 17, 2015 1:43 PM
#44
i think it's rather selfish to accuse a suicidal person of being selfish. |
If life ain't just a joke Then why are we laughing? If life ain't just a joke Then why am I dead? |
Apr 17, 2015 1:58 PM
#45
No, but it isn't proper to die before Death can take you. |
Apr 17, 2015 2:27 PM
#46
Yes but not in a bad sense, given the premise that we have control over our lives, it all comes down to our will and nothing else, we are responsible for our actions and we can choose to stop bearing that resposibilities. I think it's selfish to tell people to "live on" or judge them based on our own morals and values, for some reason, people that advocate the "think of the ones that love you" thing have some kind of "for the greater good" way of thinking. And it's annoying for me |
Apr 17, 2015 2:34 PM
#47
UnoPuntoCinco said: Yes but not in a bad sense, given the premise that we have control over our lives, it all comes down to our will and nothing else, we are responsible for our actions and we can choose to stop bearing that resposibilities. I think it's selfish to tell people to "live on" or judge them based on our own morals and values, for some reason, people that advocate the "think of the ones that love you" thing have some kind of "for the greater good" way of thinking. And it's annoying for me "I think its selfish to tell people to "live on" "People advocate the "think of the ones that love you" way of thinking. And its annoying me."" Very very this. tfw you post a wall of text because its a topic you take seriously and interests you and nobody replies to it |
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Apr 17, 2015 3:51 PM
#48
It's not selfish, cowardly or brave. It's the result of hardships that make life worthless from their perspective. There is only a certain amount of pain, sadness, loneliness etc that someone can bare until their start cracking and eventually break. I think most people who say they are 'selfish' or 'cowards' haven't faced the same kinds of situations or have had friends/family to help them but it's not always like that; some people don't have anyone. It's really difficult to kill yourself; even when you're depressed. Some people can overcome their problems and grow stronger while others can't deal with it and its that simple. |
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Apr 17, 2015 3:57 PM
#49
Apr 17, 2015 4:01 PM
#50
RedRoseFring said: Moog- said: Like so many things, it depends on the situation. |
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