| http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/26/395583706/indianas-governor-signs-religious-freedom-bill I know some people in MAL dislike that I continue to make threads about Christians and gays, but this is actually a BIG story. This isn't some random politician saying some random anti-gay stuff....this is a bill that has become LAW when the Governor of Indiana signed it this week. So what is this new "Freedom of religion" law? Indiana business owners who object to same-sex couples will now have a legal right to deny them services after Republican Gov. Mike Pence signed a bill known as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. Basically, if you own a business and a gay person walks in and you know he or she is gay, you can immediately tell that person to leave for no other reason that that person being gay. And you can do so because you can use your religious beliefs as an excuse to be a discriminatory bigot. I make a lot of fun at far right Christians in MAL, but this speaks for itself....I find no joke satisfactory for this type of behavior. And at least one business owner is already very happy he'll get to discriminate gays legally: http://www.outsports.com/2015/3/27/8303925/christian-indiana-business-gay-refuse-service Indiana has deeply shamed this country. |
--ALEX--Mar 28, 2015 1:54 AM
Wyzdm said: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1366382 Threads already made about it. Anyways it's absolutely bullshit and will be very easy to abuse. People can justify discriminating against anything just by saying it's against their religion. Thanks for letting me know, good to see Nico on top of that. if a Mod can merge both threads that'd be great. |
| Liberal democracy is a religion and aggressively discriminates against white heterosexual christian men. This is why I need National Socialism. |
| Good, I'm actually getting sick of the obnoxious, over-preachy and invasive pro-gay/pro-feminism bullshit that only cries for attention and special treatment, a little back and forth between two retarded sides can leave us in peace for a while. |
| End Zionazism |
Mikasa said: yeah, if one is not allowed to discriminate, the other shouldn't be allowed either, and vice-verse.Good, I'm actually getting sick of the obnoxious, over-preachy and invasive pro-gay/pro-feminism bullshit that only cries for attention and special treatment, a little back and forth between two retarded sides can leave us in peace for a while. |
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| Anyway is there any point to states passing laws if they can just be struck down by federal judges? |
| Extreme is not even near enough to define the Christians in America. My country, although shitty in almost every aspect, is the only Christian country in Asia with more than 90% of its population being Christian (85% I think are Catholics) BUT we treat gays just fine. Of course there will always be discrimination here and there but that's in the minority. I even have a gay classmate who serves in our local church every Sunday mass because he's a sacristan. |
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| God bless Murica, the land of freedom and speech |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Ergh said: You get to be special, and anyone else that is fighting for EQUAL rights, can just fuck off? How very christian of you. Equal rights can't exist. If you fight for equality then you are fighting for a pipe dream. Go read Animal Farm. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
| *palpatine* Goood goood. |
| Oh no business owners have the right to decide who they do business with, where is the world going? |
| It's about time christians in America grow up. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
Masked_Mantis said: It's about time christians in America grow up. Damn right it is, next week they need to step up there game, and stone them like in arab lands. |
RedArmyShogun said: Ur a trel.Masked_Mantis said: It's about time christians in America grow up. Damn right it is, next week they need to step up there game, and stone them like in arab lands. Next they won't let disabled people or babies into restaurants. There are many racist states yet people never complain about putting off their racist customers by serving blacks! |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
Bash107 said: Allahu akbar! |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
Masked_Mantis said: RedArmyShogun said: Ur a trel.Damn right it is, next week they need to step up there game, and stone them like in arab lands. Next they won't let disabled people or babies into restaurants. There are many racist states yet people never complain about putting off their racist customers by serving blacks! I fail to see the problem with this. |
| Yep, disabled people because there's stairs and we don't want to spend a fortune to adapt to their needs and babies because fuck babies. |
| I'm gonna start murdering women who aren't virgins any more with rocks. STOP TRYING TO TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOM |
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JonyJC said: I'm sure in a weird country like America people would agree. Redarmyshogun and your petition will go far. Yep, disabled people because there's stairs and we don't want to spend a fortune to adapt to their needs and babies because fuck babies. "Don't you think it's a bit retarded to come in this restaurant with parkinsons? Look your spilling EVERYTHING!, get out of my business and eat at home! I don't wanna have to acknowledge your mess you're driving away the other assholes". |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
| Just don't tell people you're gay and you will be ok |
Valaskjalf said: Just don't tell people you're a jew and you will be okJust don't tell people you're gay and you will be ok |
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Masked_Mantis said: "Don't you think it's a bit retarded to come in this restaurant with parkinsons? Look your spilling EVERYTHING!, get out of my business and eat at home! I don't wanna have to acknowledge your mess you're driving away the other assholes". Their right, they'll be judged by their costumers and may or may not lose business. Red_Keys said: Valaskjalf said: Just don't tell people you're a jew and you will be okJust don't tell people you're gay and you will be ok They probably would have been. |
Red_Keys said: I'm gonna start murdering women who aren't virgins any more with rocks. STOP TRYING TO TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOM Are you comparing murder to not serving someone? Businesses SHOULD be able to dictate who and who they do not serve. |
MdDaniels said: What the fuck? That's called discrimination if it's based on prejudice, are you still here? We don't want you to die from having forgotten how to breathe.Red_Keys said: I'm gonna start murdering women who aren't virgins any more with rocks. STOP TRYING TO TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOM Are you comparing murder to not serving someone? Businesses SHOULD be able to dictate who and who they do not serve. This bill fucks shit up, gay people can be discriminated at by their doctors. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
JonyJC said: Oh no business owners have the right to decide who they do business with, where is the world going? Ridiculous. I'm sure your tune wouldn't be the same if business owners could decide not to serve people based on the color of their skin or their gender or ethnicity or hell, even their religious beliefs. Let's see how Christians like it, if restaurants only served to non-christians. Don't worry Christians.....just renounce your faith when they ask you if you are Chrsitian and you'll be fine! |
| If you have a bussiness and refuse to serve consumers because of their sexual preference, you deserve to go bankrupt for being such a retard. |
| Dog bless ameriga |
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| How am I not supposed to have a bad opinion of murica with stuff like that :/ |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
JustALEX said: The Difference here is, that People usually don't feel the Need to publicly announce their Believes. You can just wear normal Clothes without any religious Symbols and you don't have to comment on it when asked. But the (sexual) Orientation is much harder to hide, especially when you want to go out in Public with your Partner. Of Course, you can act like Brothers or Sisters or just good Friends and you don't have to answer when asked about your Relationship, either.Let's see how Christians like it, if restaurants only served to non-christians. Don't worry Christians.....just renounce your faith when they ask you if you are Chrsitian and you'll be fine! The Way I'm seeing it, is that People, who openly admit or display their Believes and/or Orientation have it generally harder in Life just like those that show their Preferences, especially if it's something out of the common Mainstream, f.i. wearing a Shirt with an Anime Girl depicted on it. Just like you can't expect anyone to shower the Wearer of the Shirt with the Anime Girl Motif in Respect, you can't expect the same Thing with the respective (particular) Believes and/or Orientation. And naturally, it would be even more ridiculous if someone were to ask you whether you would like Anime or not (while you enter a Shop with a "No Anime Fans" Sign). Personally, I would be only in Favor under the following Conditions: 1. absolutely no Distinction when it comes to critical Services like Banks, Hospitals and Supermarkets 2. the House Rules should be easily visible right before or when you enter the Shop 3. no one should ever be forced to reveal their Believe, Orientation or Preferences and a Declination to answer on that Matter should never lead to an Expulsion With that, People have the Freedom to still follow their Believes, Orientation or Preferences without disrespecting the Freedom of the Shop Keepers to arrange their House Rules according to Stuff that they don't want to see/have in their Shops. I think, that would be the best Compromise instead of being extremely liberal and allowing every Kind of Person (regardless how inappropriate they're dressed for a Restaurant for Example) anywhere or having anyone restrict their Privacy if Laws like these would be strictly controlled. |
Noboru said: The Difference here is, that People usually don't feel the Need to publicly announce their Believes. Clearly you don't live in America. American Christians LOVE to display their beliefs. |
MdDaniels said: Besides being morally reprehensible, this view is flawed on a more fundamental level. Business is not in the individual realm, it is in the collective realm. The collective realm is dealt with by the state, and the state is secular.Businesses SHOULD be able to dictate who and who they do not serve. If your restaurant is unclean and you don't cook meat properly, you're harming people. If you sell unsafe products, you're harming people. If you refuse to serve someone, you are harming them—by denying them access to a product or service that is normally in the collective realm. That's why business practices are regulated. Free enterprise is only one side of the coin. If I had to come up with a mantra for a "free economy", it would be this: All are free to sell, all are free to buy. Ie. you're welcome to open a business, but you have to be willing to sell to everyone (barring legal restrictions). To put it another way... The state SHOULD be able to dictate who is allowed to run a business. Homophobic people SHOULD have their businesses shut down. How does that sound? |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Ergh said: As a fellow European, I agree with Ergh here, though I would try to restrain myself in Order to display a neutral Attitude. It's probably the extreme Kind of Display for anything that ticked off your fellow Countrymen, Alex.JustALEX said: Clearly you don't live in America. American Christians LOVE to display their beliefs. I actually cannot think of, as a Dutchman, what that must be like. If I ever come across a religious christian spreading his joy of believe, I tend to point and laugh. Must be hard to live among such a community though, that I can imagine. |
MdDaniels said: No, the comparison I'm making is based on using your religious beliefs to inconvenience and harm other people.Are you comparing murder to not serving someone? If you have to misinterpret and exaggerate my point just to respond to it, maybe you should rethink your position. |
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| I don't want to imply or say that I'm saying what I'm saying about all Christians. All Christians are not this hateful. I was once a christian, I KNOW for a fact I didn't hate gays, I went to high school as a christian and I knew gay students, I did NOT hate them, I did not think that my beliefs was an excuse to discriminate against them. Currently, my entire family remains christian, and I love them very much, I get along with them very well, despite the fact I no longer believe what they believe. I think the majority of Christians are relatively good people that simply want to live in peace. The problem is the RADICALS, just like Islam, Christianity has it's radicals, and while they don't go to the extremes Islam radicals go to (killing people, blowing themselves up, etc.) they do it in a more sophisticated manner. They know that for the most part, Moderate Christians don't speak up that much, so instead THEY do the talking. THEY lobby for bills like this....THEY are the ones that have control over the far right Christian radio stations that spew this hatred. Quite simply, Far right Christians have HIJACKED Christianity in America.....it will NOT be non-Christians that will bring them down....it HAS to be the moderates. The moderates MUST condemn these practices, they MUST speak up and say that this is NOT what Christianity is all about. If they fail to do so, then their religion will continue to lose members and be criticized nonstop. |
| Indianna is a crappy state anyways. They probably just get bored with nothing to do. It'll harm them in the long run when liberal news sites starting singling out owners openly barring people. Anyone stupid enough to do it will find out why selling to as many people as possible is a win-win. |
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| Doesn't this shit contradict the very roots of a democracy (what USA takes pride the most)? One of the basic principles of liberal democracies are "Majorty Rules, Minority Rights" |
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JustALEX said: JonyJC said: Oh no business owners have the right to decide who they do business with, where is the world going? I'm sure your tune wouldn't be the same if business owners could decide not to serve people based on the color of their skin or their gender or ethnicity or hell, even their religious beliefs. Yes it would, what's so hard to understand? If you want to make a black muslim female only coffee shop go the fuck ahead. |
Ergh said: icirate said: Equal rights can't exist. If you fight for equality then you are fighting for a pipe dream. Go read Animal Farm. In MURRIKA perhaps. Besides, this is the worst argument ever to accept anything. So you are saying: 'Let go of your ideals, because I think it's unreasonable..' You sir, are either arrogant or part of the minority that has nothing to whine about. (i.e. White male christian basically). I am arrogant. I'll freely admit that. The problem here is one of 'freedom' vs. 'equality'. You can't both give a small business owner the freedom to serve the customers it likes and give patrons equal treatment. You can't even have the latter (equality) or the former (freedom) in its entirety in a functional society. Ergh said: There is no other way to put it. One's freedom should end, when it starts limiting another. Please understand this yourself. Your freedom to stand in front of me in a queue has been revoked, bitch. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
Ergh said: And what do you not understand about: That's discrimination. To put it in perspective. If this is considered reasonable it starts with a local shop that limits accessibility from a minority because 'muh religion', that allows precedency in a legal matter to discriminate and that's when shit starts hitting the fan. It can snowball into so much worse, happened many times before in human history. Why not kill these feelings in the bud by not allowing these kind of arguments to be brought forth? It's not very christian of these people in the first place, making them giant hypocrites as well. There is no other way to put it. One's freedom should end, when it starts limiting another. Please understand this yourself. Yes it's discrimination and? Oh it set a legal precedent? How about nondiscrimination setting legal precedents like closing businesses and ruining livelihoods no legal precedent there? Indeed freedom should end when it limits another's how about you get the fuck out of the store I own then? Freedom and nondiscrimination and incompatible given the choice I want freedom. |
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