What a good surprise! Must be coz ViVid anime will be released soon :D |
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| Oh shit a Hyouka blu ray box |
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| Selling a bit more than vol 2 :) Hope that continues. Will break 6K next week and 7K in a month. 10. *4,680 *4,680 Cross Ange: Tenshi to Ryuu no Rondo Vol.3 24. **,459 ***,459 Cross Ange: Tenshi to Ryuu no Rondo Vol.3 Durarara!! sales are expected. They're making they're money on merchandise and novels. Almost every novel and manga adaptation is like this, they're not losing money. Case in point. 19. *2,255 *2,255 Madan no Ou to Vanadis Vol.3 The anime sales will break even eventually and the novel/merchandise boost is their profit. |
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| Good for SAO <3 Westlo said: Also, I'll like to mention this since it used to annoy me back when I followed sales back in the day. While Vol 1 of April Is Your Lie is discounted, it's pretty obvious why. It's a single episode, the majority of the time you see a discounted volume 1 is for that reason. Just going by cdjapan prices.... Vol 1 = 4000 yen = 1 episode Vol 2-4 = 7000 yen = 2 episodes Vol 5-9 = 7800 yen = 3 episodes (what a bargain! lol) Now looking at the recently listed Erotama and Sidionia s2 which are 12 episodes each, six volumes all with two episodes the price remains the same throughout. Cinderella Girls first volume is 2 episodes, so it's a thousand yen cheaper than the following two volumes that are 3 eps. In the 5 mins of looking on the site the only anime I came across with a true v1 discount was the newest gundam series. 6k for vol 1 while the following volumes with the same running lenght are 7.8k yen.. maybe it was 2 eps with a bonus feature (it's happened before) but I can't be fucked looking since spending 5 mins typing this out was 5 mins wasted as it is. TLDR - It's not discounted to push sales, it's discounted because it's half the usual content. A true sales discount is NANA Vol 1.... was given away for like 800 yen and sold like 60k because of that... Well wow... that makes sense now :) |
Yohimo_asakura said: Good for SAO <3 Westlo said: Also, I'll like to mention this since it used to annoy me back when I followed sales back in the day. While Vol 1 of April Is Your Lie is discounted, it's pretty obvious why. It's a single episode, the majority of the time you see a discounted volume 1 is for that reason. Just going by cdjapan prices.... Vol 1 = 4000 yen = 1 episode Vol 2-4 = 7000 yen = 2 episodes Vol 5-9 = 7800 yen = 3 episodes (what a bargain! lol) Now looking at the recently listed Erotama and Sidionia s2 which are 12 episodes each, six volumes all with two episodes the price remains the same throughout. Cinderella Girls first volume is 2 episodes, so it's a thousand yen cheaper than the following two volumes that are 3 eps. In the 5 mins of looking on the site the only anime I came across with a true v1 discount was the newest gundam series. 6k for vol 1 while the following volumes with the same running lenght are 7.8k yen.. maybe it was 2 eps with a bonus feature (it's happened before) but I can't be fucked looking since spending 5 mins typing this out was 5 mins wasted as it is. TLDR - It's not discounted to push sales, it's discounted because it's half the usual content. A true sales discount is NANA Vol 1.... was given away for like 800 yen and sold like 60k because of that... Well wow... that makes sense now :) It still makes it all the more enticing for the buyers that just want the event ticket, particular with the DVD packages of such deals which is only 2500 yen. Of course if you actually really do want the one episode the value is also adjusted according so it makes plenty of sense as a business strategy. Seriously people packaging and extras, packaging and extras, gotta make the collectors feel the "value". Can't stress the importance of it enough. I am curious if Westlo knows when that whole model really started to take off though along with the event ticket thing. |
Comic_Sans said: 35. *2,911 14,497 Tokyo Ghoul √A ED "Kisetsu wa Tsugitsugi Shindeiku" by Amazarashi Is this some kind of joke?47. *2,067 *2,067 Death Parade OP "Flyers" by BRADIO Ikr? Death parade sold more than it deserves unlike which Tokyo ghoul should be selling even more. |
raviel_ken said: Hiryu12 said: I was hoping "Flyers" would sell more... :( me too. maybe wait a little more time. Didn't even notice that. Damn. Deserves at least 20k. |
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Hiryu12 said: full 2nd season impossible because the light novel only have 5 volumes (hiatus indefinitely) and anime already covered 4. I think there is a chance for OVA though to cover 5th volume.Hyouka!!! Season 2 please... :) GarLogan78 said: At least DVD also sold for another 2500s. I think the relative weak sale is due to competing with Kuroko no basuke in the same season (both being fujoshi series, and they have limited purchasing power).Yikes for DRRR. Could poor sales now affect getting all three cours? I seriously doubt that this will affect the 3-cour plan though. DRRR light novel is really on another level and fanbase is the bulwark of BD purchase. |
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Z4k said: You funny kidComic_Sans said: Is this some kind of joke? Ikr? Death parade sold more than it deserves unlike which Tokyo ghoul should be selling even more. |
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tsubasalover said: Rank / This week's sales by copies / Cumulative sales / Titles Blu-ray *2. 10,381 10,381 Shirobako Vol.3 Limited Edition 17. *2,500 *2,500 Selector Spread WIXOSS BOX Vol.1 Limited Edition DVD *9. *1,468 **9,330 Haikyuu!! Vol.8 26. **,417 ***,417 Shirobako Vol.3 Limited Edition not bad :3 glad Shirobako's doing well :D |
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| Impressive sales for Hyouka considering its a ~10k series. With this addition, should reach 20k by the end Durarara sales though...It's sad, but it's not really bad, just was expecting more |
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| Shame about Drrr!! but whatever, hopefully the sales won't affect later parts cause that would suck. Happy for Gekkan and that's about it. Hoping for a S2. bunny1ov3r said: At least DVD also sold for another 2500s. I think the relative weak sale is due to competing with Kuroko no basuke in the same season (both being fujoshi series, and they have limited purchasing power). more like DRRR!! is just kind of old and busted now. Fujoshi can support multiple series at a time (see Free! ES, Yowapeda and Haikyuu!!) |
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12. *3,228 *3,228 Durarara!!x2 Shou Vol.1 Limited Edition Well this sucks.Like seriously...47. *2,067 *2,067 Death Parade OP "Flyers" by BRADIO Happy for Shigatsu at least.Also Nozaki-kun. |
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| Shirobako wow! bunny1ov3r said: Hiryu12 said: full 2nd season impossible because the light novel only have 5 volumes (hiatus indefinitely) and anime already covered 4. I think there is a chance for OVA though to cover 5th volume.Hyouka!!! Season 2 please... :) a movie would be nice |
| *3. *8,093 *8,093 Hyouka Blu-ray BOX They could just make a 12 ep series for hyouka when the 6th volume comes out eventually) :O Didn't the author say he wants to do side stories or am I imaging things? :( |
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| Shigatsu domination!! Surprised by DURRR's low sales kinda has me worried. |
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| Shiroshit selling well unfortunately. |
| I'm guessing all you idiots who say DRRR is getting bad sales only follow mainstream "hot topic" anime? 3k is good, great even considering how early it is. There are so many far more deserving shows that would love to have 3k lifetime sales. When hearing people talk about DRRR having poor sales I figured it was <1k or something. Not everything has to sell 10k+, in fact that is very rare. First season popularity is irrelevant. Give me a break. |
ex_necross said: I'm guessing all you idiots who say DRRR is getting bad sales only follow mainstream "hot topic" anime? 3k is good, great even considering how early it is. There are so many far more deserving shows that would love to have 3k lifetime sales. When hearing people talk about DRRR having poor sales I figured it was <1k or something. Not everything has to sell 10k+, in fact that is very rare. First season popularity is irrelevant. Give me a break. Its a huge drop from S1V1(29k), thats kinda the point people are making.. First season popularity is relevant |
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rederoin said: ex_necross said: I'm guessing all you idiots who say DRRR is getting bad sales only follow mainstream "hot topic" anime? 3k is good, great even considering how early it is. There are so many far more deserving shows that would love to have 3k lifetime sales. When hearing people talk about DRRR having poor sales I figured it was <1k or something. Not everything has to sell 10k+, in fact that is very rare. First season popularity is irrelevant. Give me a break. Its a huge drop from S1V1(29k), thats kinda the point people are making.. First season popularity is relevant 3k isn't great, it is average. You failed to account for the DVDs, which means Drrr x2 actually sold almost 6k in the 1st week, which is good sales. However, as many have already mentioned, it is a big drop from S1 sales... but signs of loss in buyers of the anime, over the 13 volumes can already been seen, even in 2010. Having a sequel 5 years later rather, certainly did not help, as the loss in buying fanbase is much more pronounced now. |
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Ejc said: rederoin said: Its a huge drop from S1V1(29k), thats kinda the point people are making.. First season popularity is relevant 3k isn't great, it is average. You failed to account for the DVDs, which means Drrr x2 actually sold almost 6k in the 1st week, which is good sales. However, as many have already mentioned, it is a big drop from S1 sales... but signs of loss in buyers of the anime, over the 13 volumes can already been seen, even in 2010. Having a sequel 5 years later rather, certainly did not help, as the loss in buying fanbase is much more pronounced now. For first week, 3k BD is very good. I can't believe some people think it's not. It's like they live in this bizarro world where everything sells 20k+ because they've only seen a grand total of 10 anime. |
ex_necross said: For first week, 3k BD is very good. I can't believe some people think it's not. It's like they live in this bizarro world where everything sells 20k+ because they've only seen a grand total of 10 anime. Why are you going with extremes? In the post you quoted he said ''6K is good sales'' so it doesn't need 20+k to be good. |
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tsudecimo said: For first week, 3k BD is very good. I can't believe some people think it's not. It's like they live in this bizarro world where everything sells 20k+ because they've only seen a grand total of 10 anime. Some people3 are just like that when it comes to sales, it should be obvious people are talking about big drops in this case. Its not like big drops like this are common(but the 5 year gap explains a lot) But we'll have to wait till next year to compare the averages. |
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scytheavatar said: ex_necross said: For first week, 3k BD is very good. I can't believe some people think it's not. It's like they live in this bizarro world where everything sells 20k+ because they've only seen a grand total of 10 anime. Source that 3k for first week is "very good"? Don't forget that the latter vols are extremely likely to sell less than vol 1 considering that vol 1 comes with an event ticket. 2.8k is generally considered the line you want to cross in lifetime sales (obviously depends on anime in question too), anything above is profit, 3k first week means it will be far above this line in lifetime sales. 3k is average lifetime, great for first week. People go on about 3k being bad first week, which is beyond ridiculous. I can't help but assume these people are casuals who only watch the big hits. |
hpulley said: Well didnt buddy complex do atrociously, as in like didnt even get over 1K sales a volume. I do hope durarara is safe though, i wasnt to bothered by the buddy complex bit cause frankly that show was pretty shitty and wasnt gonna go anywhere interesting even with 2 cour but meanwhile durarara is finally getting into its better aspects and it'd be outright tragic if its cut off nowGarLogan78 said: Buddy Complex cour 2 was reduced to a 2-episode special due to poor sales so I say yes, the other two cour are in jeopardy. Could be reduced to one or two cour or one and a special. Yikes for DRRR. Could poor sales now affect getting all three cours? |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
ex_necross said: 2.8k is generally considered the line you want to cross in lifetime sales (obviously depends on anime in question too), anything above is profit, 3k first week means it will be far above this line in lifetime sales. 3k is average lifetime, great for first week. People go on about 3k being bad first week, which is beyond ridiculous. I can't help but assume these people are casuals who only watch the big hits. It was believed back in 2007, but now it definitely isn't applicable to the anime series of today. There are so many factors in place that makes the breakeven point vary considerably from anime to anime, so your reasoning is essentially flawed. We do not know if Drrr x2 is profitable or not... and besides if you read more than 1 sentence from my previous reply you would see it sold almost 6K. So I still have no idea why you are still making such a fuss on 3k sales, when it wasn't even 3k sales to begin with, LOL. 6k sales can be considered good sales in most cases, but the point people are trying to make is that if you compare those 6k sales to the sales in Season 1, it is a huge drop (as can be seen below here). This only indicates that it has lost a lot of fans during the 5 years gap between Season 1 and Season 2, but we can already see a slide in sales during Season 1. Vol no. / 1st week sales / Cumulative sales Season 1 *1 16,161 29,653 *2 17,730 27,439 *3 16,993 23,332 *4 17,500 22,267 *5 14,942 18,397 *6 13,652 17,017 *7 16,056 19,165 *8 11,582 14,388 *9 11,538 13,904 10 10,785 12,797 11 10,767 13,041 12 10,158 11,788 13 12,023 14,851 ← Contained an unaired episode Season 2 *1 *5,785 **,*** [3,228 BD + 2,557 DVD] Some on here are actually casuals, but others on here actually have better knowledge of sales than you do. It looks like you still absolutely believe the Manabi Line is the breakeven point, which means you are actually the casual when following anime sales. The Manabi Line is at best a line you can use to split the anime into the subjective categories of under 2899, between 2899 and 9999, and 10000 and above. |
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Yause said: Lifetime sales don't mean anything because no one's going to wait five years for a return on investment. They base decisions on immediate results. Manabi Line is a running gag that comes from putting two observations together: a supposed insider's claim that the show barely broke even, plus a reported Oricon sales figure (which suffered from notoriously poor tracking/projection methodology at the time) of 2.9k copies per volume. It isn't meant to be taken seriously or extrapolated to other shows, although people have fun throwing it around as a point of comparison. Aside from that, trying to gauge the commercial success of anime projects (without access to information on budget, expectations, genuine sales numbers, investment equity, etc.) only results in myths and false generalizations. For example, a lot of people bring up merchandising as a way of gauging success....even to the point of suggesting that video sales don't matter.....but it's a misguided argument because not every investment partner benefits. If a show sells 500 BDs, pushes 100,000 CDs, and boosts manga readership by 50,000,000, it's a phenomenal run for the manga publisher and record label but still a money loser for the anime distributor (who is often one of the leading stakeholders if not the biggest investor) and/or studio. They don't profit from those sales - so in a sense, it's a short-term victory for anime companies because publishers will keep knocking at their doors for collaboration (provided that they have enough capital to stay afloat). Nevertheless, it's a long-term failure and potential precursor to bankruptcy if it keeps happening. As for sequels to late night anime, BD/DVD sales are especially important. An anime distributor that lost money or merely broke even (despite boosting source readership by 500%) is unlikely to dive in again. Meanwhile, the manga publisher has no expectations of a similarly large boost, so they're more inclined to promote something that hasn't been adapted yet. Dont forget the people who think all 36 episodes are already completed. The sales are probably lower than they expected. I dont care what the sales are. Not even a little. But after seeing the ending of Chaika go right to shit I'm freaked out. People can be optimistic all they want. I'm not an optimist. I'm pessimistic as hell. The sales are mediocre and the animation has gone to shit. How anyone can say with a straight face that it isn't concerning is beyond me. |
Ejc said: Some on here are actually casuals, but others on here actually have better knowledge of sales than you do. It looks like you still absolutely believe the Manabi Line is the breakeven point, which means you are actually the casual when following anime sales. The Manabi Line is at best a line you can use to split the anime into the subjective categories of under 2899, between 2899 and 9999, and 10000 and above. Just on a very minor sidenote, the 2.9k part of manabi line only applies to v1, I believe. Seeing as Manabi Straigth ended up as a 2.4k~ seller(2.9k v1). But ye, the way anime sales are split up in tiers are just arbitry, its better to just look at what rate anime adaptions gets sequals. Which for 2008-2011 is 100% for 9k+ sellers(assuming the source material is still ongping). http://rederoin.motionsforum.com/t255-rate-of-anime-getting-a-sequel-by-sales But that aside, the real question is as to what average S2 of Drrr S2 will end up having. Not that it really matters to the fans unless it goes as low as Chaika, which it probably won't. |
| Incidentally, when I'm breaking stuff up on an exponential scale but want a divider between 1k and 10k (etc.) I would usually use 3200 as this is the closest round number to 1.5 (or in this case 3.5) on a logarithmic scale of base 10. It is considerably closer than 2900 is, and thus in my opinion, a better figure to use. After all, that 2.9k's only real purpose is to put a break in between 1k and 10k, so you might as well use a more suitable number. If you want 3 then it's 1000 1800 3200 5600 10000 If you want 2 breaks then it's 1000 2200 4700 10000 but that looks really counterintuitive for some reason. |
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kuuderes_shadow said: Incidentally, when I'm breaking stuff up on an exponential scale but want a divider between 1k and 10k (etc.) I would usually use 3200 as this is the closest round number to 1.5 (or in this case 3.5) on a logarithmic scale of base 10. It is considerably closer than 2900 is, and thus in my opinion, a better figure to use. After all, that 2.9k's only real purpose is to put a break in between 1k and 10k, so you might as well use a more suitable number. If you want 3 then it's 1000 1800 3200 5600 10000 If you want 2 breaks then it's 1000 2200 4700 10000 but that looks really counterintuitive for some reason. For the lowest 'tier' I prefer to use the mean average of the season, since it gives you an idea how well a series did compared to other shows of that season. Maybe even take the mean average of the last 2 years or something. The mean average can go as low as 1.6k(summer 2013) or as high as 3.9k(Spring 2013). |
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